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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nilsen on April 22, 2007, 11:01:18 AM
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Im gonna have to go ahead and install a server at the family business. Im looking for an entry level solution.
Needs:
It will serve 4 computers at work plus mine from home.
No need for massive storage. 2x160 gb (raid solution) is plenty.
Printer sharing. One laser printer and one A3 color printer.
Some sort of e-mail/exchange type thing
Any particular brand and model of entry-level servers that you would recomend?
Will i be better off getting Windows 2003 SMB server edition with 5 licenses, or will some sort of linux, unix or even win XP do the job?
No... im not gonna build one myself, and i dont wanna spend alot of time learning to set it up and use the server.
im a server n00b!
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here's what ive used for the last 4 yrs.
https://order.1and1.com/xml/order/Hosting;jsessionid=341493250C4499D6FE02183EE459944B.TC60b?__frame=_top&__lf=Static (https://order.1and1.com/xml/order/Hosting;jsessionid=341493250C4499D6FE02183EE459944B.TC60b?__frame=_top&__lf=Static)
the 1&1 home on the linux package
120gb storage, 1200gb transfer bandwith , Password protected directorys (great for holding a Backup or full programs ect )
We've been very pleased with them , no down time ,and they let us slide a couple times when ive gone over bandwith wise (the 1st package we had with them ..free but too small )
Other wise you'll have to spend alot of time learning or take a class to get a server setup correctly and secure .
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I'd go with a Windows 2003 Small Business Server. It will give you MS Exchange should you decide to host your own email and at least easily shared contacts and calendaring if you don't. It also includes a fax server though many don't like it. Doesn't cost much more than Windows 2003 Server standard.
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The linky doesnt work for me im afraid roo.
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Originally posted by lukster
I'd go with a Windows 2003 Small Business Server. It will give you MS Exchange should you decide to host your own email and at least easily shared contacts and calendaring if you don't. It also includes a fax server though many don't like it. Doesn't cost much more than Windows 2003 Server standard.
Here the SMB version is cheaper with 5 licenses than the Standard edition.
If i go with windows it will prolly be easyer to find a class that can teach me how to set it up and use it than to find a linux server class. The company will pay for it all anyway.
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https://order.1and1.com (https://order.1and1.com)
try that ....
or
http://www.1and1.com/
that may get you thru
to bad you dont live in my neck of the world ..they practically give away servers here (Deshy's Brother has 6 of them at his house) its the Server software ,licenses ,and other hidden costs that have killed off alot of small bizness servers around here.
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The Small Business Server includes all the features of Standard Server plus some. They did build in some limitations though but I'm confindent you'll never run into them like limiting the number of users to 75. Microsoft has made it pretty easy to configure a server these days. If you have any questions I'm sure there are more than a few of us here who can help you out.
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Thx.
Am i correct in assuming that the general user interface is similar to win2k only with more options?
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
https://order.1and1.com (https://order.1and1.com)
try that ....
or
http://www.1and1.com/
that may get you thru
to bad you dont live in my neck of the world ..they practically give away servers here (Deshy's Brother has 6 of them at his house) its the Server software ,licenses ,and other hidden costs that have killed off alot of small bizness servers around here.
Thx roo but this would not do it as we need to be able to share some printers and other local software. :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Thx.
Am i correct in assuming that the general user interface is similar to win2k only with more options?
It has all of the management tools that come with win2k3 plus a few. I rarely use the sbs only tools and create users etc... the same as I do on a std server.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Thx roo but this would not do it as we need to be able to share some printers and other local software. :)
roger,,,, your probely going to need to go inhouse server then .
get out the books :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
get out the books :D
Thats not really a problem. Ill get payed by the hour for reading those books :D
With my main job i have waaaaaaay too much free time anyway so why not. Afew less hours on AH during the day thats all.
Any recomended windows server books if i dont take a class? (windows server for dummies perhaps? :D )
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Ok.. now that we have that sorted lets get down to server brands.
Who makes solid, cheap, low-end servers that doesnt make alotta noise.
Dell? HP? IBM? FjSi?
Gimme brand and model suggestions.
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I prefer Dell. Buy as much machine as your budget allows. If you have no budget limitation you should be able to get a more than adequate server, tape backup, etcc for under $5K.
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There are only ever gonna be 5 users and the load is going to be pretty light. I think a Poweredge 840 series should be enough for the rest of this decade and well into the next. Im gonna skip the tapedrive and just backup on a second external drive and discs.
So you are pretty confident that Dell uses good components in their servers? We have had laptops from them and they have not been solid at all.
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I just specd a PowerEdge 1900 with SBS, 3 2GB memory, 3 80GB drives in raid 5 config and a tape backup and software for about $3,900. You can reduce it significantly if you don't RAID or a tape backup.
If you go with a tape backup I'd definitely go with Backup Exec for SBS.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
There are only ever gonna be 5 users and the load is going to be pretty light. I think a Poweredge 840 series should be enough for the rest of this decade and well into the next. Im gonna skip the tapedrive and just backup on a second external drive and discs.
So you are pretty confident that Dell uses good components in their servers? We have had laptops from them and they have not been solid at all.
I work primarly with Dell and HP servers. I don't see many IBM servers any more. I find the Dell servers to be more relaible than HP.
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Originally posted by lukster
I work primarly with Dell and HP servers. I don't see many IBM servers any more. I find the Dell servers to be more relaible than HP.
Rgr.. ill keep that in mind and also see what Fujitsu Siemens can offer me.
I loosly configured at Poweredge 840 with what i needed and ended up at 2400USD including windows with 5 licenses. The 1900 looks beefy and perhaps abit much for our needs.
Are these puppies fairly quiet?
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I would go with HP Proliants. I think ML310 or 350 series is good for you.
HP is leader in server markets, at least in Finland. (more than 50%)
They are very reliable, easy to use and configure, easy to maintain...
Dont buy server with normal SATA or IDE drives. Go for SAS drives. (old scsi is going away)
Btw, I can sell you one. :D
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prefab, my choice would be dell poweredge... service is great if you need it and they are very cheap and reliable. You can find 2450 series really cheap these days.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Rgr.. ill keep that in mind and also see what Fujitsu Siemens can offer me.
I loosly configured at Poweredge 840 with what i needed and ended up at 2400USD including windows with 5 licenses. The 1900 looks beefy and perhaps abit much for our needs.
Are these puppies fairly quiet?
Sounds a bit steep? I've seen HP flogging Proliants with 2Gb of RAM, dual 80Gb drives, and SBS for ~NZ$1200 (USD$900). (edit: thats wholesale list)
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i saw the poweredge 2450 series on ebay with os/license (Win2k) for as low as $150 today... not bad when you consider the poweredge 2450 has 2 processors ranging from 733Mhz up to either !.1 or 1.3Ghz.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Sounds a bit steep? I've seen HP flogging Proliants with 2Gb of RAM, dual 80Gb drives, and SBS for ~NZ$1200 (USD$900). (edit: thats wholesale list)
Yes ive seen them too, but that does not include the windows server license. Im looking at them tho.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yes ive seen them too, but that does not include the windows server license. Im looking at them tho.
That price included the SBS license here. Insane.
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Well... it depends on what products are in promotion. It is not worldwide thing...
Check this:
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432535-425 HP ML110T4 X3040 DC
Dual-Core Intel® Xeon® 3040
Raid controller RAID 0, 1, 1+0
2 x 512mb
2 x 160GB SATA
DVD-ROM
10/100/1000BASE-T
ILO,PS/2,RJ-45,Serial,USB 2.0,VGA-out,
For the installation of Windows and other OS's, a floppy drive (DC361B) may be required to complete driver installation.
A USB drive key may not work to complete driver installation.
Installation of SCSI internal tape drives in a ML110 G4 model requires SCSI controller kit (PN: 374654-B21).
Warranty, 3 years next business day on-site
SBS Server 2003 standard uk incl 5 user lics
Price: About 1100 eur exl moms( without tax or what ever it is in norway?)
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found it on the norwegian HP site mip.
looks interesting and the price here is 480 euros (not including windows server)
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/no/no/sm/WF06b/1821-1823-377771-377771-12083221-12842874-78032253.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_NONO
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Default konf has only 512mb memory and 1 x 160gb hd and basic warranty is 1 year..
You need to add 512 more + 3 y carepack + extra HD + software.
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Those i can add on my own. Dont want no extra warranty and such as ill be close enough to rush to the rescue if something bad happens.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Those i can add on my own. Dont want no extra warranty and such as ill be close enough to rush to the rescue if something bad happens.
Yes you want. It is really cheap insurance. I recommend it as a friend.
If you have low budget, you can always use leasing.
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Originally posted by mipoikel
Yes you want. It is really cheap insurance. I recommend it as a friend.
If you have low budget, you can always use leasing.
I set the budget myself, but no matter how good the extra support is I will be faster, plus the hours i use fixing stuff that is broken is money in _my_ pocket
;)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I set the budget myself, but no matter how good the extra support is I will be faster, plus the hours i use fixing stuff that is broken is money in _my_ pocket
;)
What if?
Motherboard fails, do you think you speed is going to help?
Spare parts are really expensive.
You can allways do the repairjob yourself but with 3y carepack you dont have to BUY spareparts...
You should think also that those hours you are fixing things, your familybusiness is stopped. Do you really think you are allways available 24 hours /day, 7 days/ week.
Cmon Nilsen. ...
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Originally posted by mipoikel
What if?
Motherboard fails, do you think you speed is going to help?
Spare parts are really expensive.
You can allways do the repairjob yourself but with 3y carepack you dont have to BUY spareparts...
You should think also that those hours you are fixing things, your familybusiness is stopped. Do you really think you are allways available 24 hours /day, 7 days/ week.
Cmon Nilsen. ...
No Sir... even if _all_ the computers stopped working it would have no impact on the business at all. The company has excisted since 1950 and no parts of the production would suffer from not having computers for a few weeks or months, it just makes some things abit easyer. :)
Unless the fax and phones stopped working or there was a poweroutage the business would keep on going.