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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 22, 2007, 03:19:45 PM
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Every American can help to save the internet radios. Services like Pandora or live365.com will die if the new royalty law stands in congress.
Please sign to http://savenetradio.org today!
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done:aok
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Done.
Is this new royalty more than a non-web based radio station would pay?
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An Email I got from Pandora:
I'm writing today to ask for your help. The survival of Pandora and all of Internet radio is in jeopardy because of a recent decision by the Copyright Royalty Board in Washington, DC to almost triple the licensing fees for Internet radio sites like Pandora. The new royalty rates are irrationally high, more than four times what satellite radio pays, and broadcast radio doesn't pay these at all. Left unchanged, these new royalties will kill every Internet radio site, including Pandora.
In response to these new and unfair fees, we have formed the SaveNetRadio Coalition, a group that includes listeners, artists, labels and webcasters. I hope that you will consider joining us.
Please sign our petition urging your Congressional representative to act to save Internet radio: http://capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/issues/alert/?alertid=9631541
Please feel free to forward this link/email to your friends - the more petitioners we can get, the better.
Understand that we are fully supportive of paying royalties to the artists whose music we play, and have done so since our inception. As a former touring musician myself, I'm no stranger to the challenges facing working musicians. The issue we have with the recent ruling is that it puts the cost of streaming far out of the range of ANY webcaster's business potential.
I hope you'll take just a few minutes to sign our petition - it WILL make a difference. As a young industry, we do not have the lobbying power of the RIAA. You, our listeners, are by far our biggest and most influential allies.
As always, and now more than ever, thank you for your support.
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Interesting post Dadano. Why would these royalties be so high for internet broadcasting companies when broadcast radio pays none at all?
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Originally posted by Elfie
Interesting post Dadano. Why would these royalties be so high for internet broadcasting companies when broadcast radio pays none at all?
It's the cartel protecting it's interests. Webradios are taking ad revenue away from RIAA controlled central system. http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2007/04/21/can_you_hear_me_now/
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Broadcast radio does pay royalties, but there are several types of royalties. BMI collects royalties for the copyright holders, but the RIAA wants to collect royalties for the recording companies above what is collected from BMI.
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Done.
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Forget it guys, they will vote on the side of the money.
BMI, ASCAP and SESAC have the royalty copyrights to all music and they will collect on it. It's not the recording artists that they collect for, it's the songwriters.
They started charging retailers for playing broadcast radio in stores years ago. The average convenience store pays around $600 a year if they are caught playing a radio where customers can hear it unless they have a contract with the publishers.
The charges also apply to live music venues. One bar I worked in was forced to pay over $3000 in fees and penalties. Trust me, they send lots of people into lots of places to listen and they always win in court.
The only alternative to the music nazis is muzak or satelite radio. It's a little bit cheaper because they bundle royalties among subscribers.
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Originally posted by rpm
Forget it guys, they will vote on the side of the money.
BMI, ASCAP and SESAC have the royalty copyrights to all music and they will collect on it. It's not the recording artists that they collect for, it's the songwriters.
They started charging retailers for playing broadcast radio in stores years ago. The average convenience store pays around $600 a year if they are caught playing a radio where customers can hear it unless they have a contract with the publishers.
The charges also apply to live music venues. One bar I worked in was forced to pay over $3000 in fees and penalties. Trust me, they send lots of people into lots of places to listen and they always win in court.
The only alternative to the music nazis is muzak or satelite radio. It's a little bit cheaper because they bundle royalties among subscribers.
If you get enough voters sending email to their senators and representatives, things can change. No politician wants to lose votes.
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Originally posted by Elfie
If you get enough voters sending email to their senators and representatives, nothing will change. No politician wants to lose kickbacks and campaign contributions.
Fixed
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Originally posted by rpm
Fixed
If they lose to many votes, they also lose the kickbacks and campaign contributions. ;)
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Oh you poor misguided soul...
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Originally posted by rpm
Oh you poor misguided soul...
Politicians can always find new sources of kickbacks and campaign contributions. If they lose their voting base however, they are out of office and they can say bye bye to those kick backs for good.
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I got email responses from my Senator and Congressman.
From Senator Salazar:
Dear Friend:
Thank you for your e-mail message. Hearing from Coloradans is important to me. I will respond to your concerns in the near future. If you need assistance from my office or if you need help dealing with a federal agency, please use the link below to access our casework form. If you are not a Colorado resident, I encourage you to contact the U.S. Senators from your state directly.
Once again, thank you for contacting me.
Eh....kinda lame response imo.
From Congressman Udall:
Dear Elfie:
Thank you for contacting me with regards to the recent decision by the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) to change Internet radio royalty rates. I appreciate your taking the time to get in touch.
Until this decision, royalty rates for Internet radio stations were determined based on percentage of revenues. Under the CRB ruling, these stations are now charged a fee per listener, which could in some cases mean that royalties owed would exceed overall income for stations. While artists rightly deserve to make a fair income off of their music, I am concerned about a payment system that causes many small Internet radio stations to go out of business. My staff has discussed this issue with Internet and Telecommunications Subcommittee Chairman Ed Markey's staff on the House Energy and Commerce Committee and will keep me informed as this issue develops. I will keep your views in mind should legislation come before the full House on this issue.
Thanks again for contacting me. To do my job well, I need to hear critical feedback from my fellow Coloradans. For more information about my positions, please visit my website at http://www.house.gov/markudall and sign up for my email newsletter.
Much better response. Sounds like he might actually be concerned about this issue but we'll see how he votes.
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It's funny how little they know of economics. Raising the royalties will NOT generate more revenue. It will generate less.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's funny how little they know of economics. Raising the royalties will NOT generate more revenue. It will generate less.
Right and wrong. You should read the article I posted earlier. The motivation behind killing Internet radio is because they compete with old fashion radio which is completely under RIAA control. Internet radio isn't, they're a competitor and this was their move to kill the competition (once again).
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startin to sound like a monopoly that needs breaking up >=)
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The term "A snowball`s chance in helll" comes to mind.
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done
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The RIAA isn't in the mood to play fair... (http://somafm.com/blogs/rusty/2007/07/riaa-blocking-irea-holding-up-any.html)
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i use my radio to listen to radio, i use the internet for other things.
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Originally posted by john9001
i use my radio to listen to radio, i use the internet for other things.
Lots of folks listen to radio stations on the internet, help those folks out by sending letters to your senator and congressman. :)
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Originally posted by john9001
i use my radio to listen to radio, i use the internet for other things.
John please cut the oneliners already!!!!!
Even though this isn't even valid for a response here goes: Which radio gives you 200 000 specialized channels available 24/7 globally?
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Ya know... I thought about signing the petition and then it occurred to me...
It would make more sense to simply let RIAA fail under its own bloated weight.
That... and I'm against government meddling in the entertainment industry.
So... I'm going to sit this one out, even though it means the death of Pandora.
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Originally posted by rpm
Forget it guys, they will vote on the side of the money.
BMI, ASCAP and SESAC have the royalty copyrights to all music and they will collect on it. It's not the recording artists that they collect for, it's the songwriters.
They started charging retailers for playing broadcast radio in stores years ago.
If the music is only loud enough for the employees.. the RIAA doesn't care, if the customers can hear it they demand to be paid.
On top of that they send shop owners nasty letters if a live band plays copyrighted, or, cover songs.
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t would make more sense to simply let RIAA fail under its own bloated weight.
If the RIAA maintains it's monopoly.....just how will it fail under it's own bloated weight? Just wondering....
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Send in the Danes.
http://www.dr.dk/musik/rock/
Have to click on your favourite genre from the table in the top right-hand corner of the page to listen. "Playlister" gives you the full menu.
D.R. Rock is my favourite - Classic Rock stuff, though they have been playing some distinctly wierd non-classic stuff recently, I think due to the Roskilde music festival - but that's a guess.
Pärty øn, Dansk düdes.
There's also my fave Canadian station:
http://www.q107.com/home/default.aspx
Hold down control and click on "listen live". Not sure how any regulation changes would affect Canada, though I'd assume European bureaucrats are more than a match for those of the RIAA.
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It is about money, the companies have more money than the regular voter and the main voting base doesn't even listen to internet radio.
It is ok, pirate radio will be the thing of the future...
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Let em die. Im all for royalties.
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Excessive royalties specifically designed to shut down internet radio stations?
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Originally posted by Elfie
Interesting post Dadano. Why would these royalties be so high for internet broadcasting companies when broadcast radio pays none at all?
Oooops. Radio stations DO PAY ROYALTIES!
Radio stations MUST be members of ASCAP or BMI, or they can't so much as play JACK!
It's as importaint as the very FCC licence they hold.
This has been in force for something like 50 years.
Every radio station I worked for for a quarter of a century had an ASCAP/and or BMI sticker on the front door.
68ROX
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Originally posted by Sandman
That... and I'm against government meddling in the entertainment industry.
You mean like when they make laws that forces people to pay for music?
Die music industry...die.
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Oooops. Radio stations DO PAY ROYALTIES!
Radio stations MUST be members of ASCAP or BMI, or they can't so much as play JACK!
It's as importaint as the very FCC licence they hold.
This has been in force for something like 50 years.
Every radio station I worked for for a quarter of a century had an ASCAP/and or BMI sticker on the front door.
68ROX
Apparently broadcast radio stations aren't paying the royalties that the RIAA wants to levy on internet radio stations. My post was in response to Dadano's and it was answered by others long before this thread got bumped back up to the top. ;)
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Originally posted by Elfie
Apparently broadcast radio stations aren't paying the royalties that the RIAA wants to levy on internet radio stations. My post was in response to Dadano's and it was answered by others long before this thread got bumped back up to the top. ;)
Whoops
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Originally posted by Elfie
If the RIAA maintains it's monopoly.....just how will it fail under it's own bloated weight? Just wondering....
Because there are artists that are opting out of the RIAA. RIAA can be defeated at its source, the artists. It's just a matter of time and will.
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Originally posted by Hortlund
You mean like when they make laws that forces people to pay for music?
Die music industry...die.
Certainly, the artists and the music industry deserve compensation. I'm sure there are laws already in place with regard to commerce.
What I don't agree with is the RIAA trying to legislate their particular business model as the standard for the music industry in general.
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Oooops. Radio stations DO PAY ROYALTIES!
Radio stations MUST be members of ASCAP or BMI, or they can't so much as play JACK!
It's as importaint as the very FCC licence they hold.
This has been in force for something like 50 years.
Every radio station I worked for for a quarter of a century had an ASCAP/and or BMI sticker on the front door.
68ROX
Radio stations pay a steady rate where internet radio stations are required to pay per listener. That combined to low advertising income and/or non commercial internet radio means deliberate death strike to free internet radio.