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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Laurie on April 24, 2007, 03:15:46 PM
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HTC, there is now an almost universal request for our maps of old to be ebbed back into the game, i made a thread on this subject a week or so ago but never got response from u guys.:confused: .
long and short of it : i found people would be made a lot happier with a seemingly simple action. do you still have ALL the old maps or only some.. or none!?
will we be seeing older maps, slightly bigger maps or even some NEW:eek: Maps anytime soon, the constant cycle is really getting stagnant and tiring and resets are rare.
would there be any chance of lowering the required fields for victory to 30% or somewhere in that region? to liven things up a bit?
condolences,
Hul367th
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Good thing you didn't play AW. You wouldn't have made it. It's about the fight, not the map.
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To me, it is all about the maps, the eye candy, the visual effects and the immersion.
Who needs to fight when you can fly around looking at the hills and trees.
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Originally posted by Laurie
will we be seeing older maps, slightly bigger maps or even some NEW:eek: Maps anytime soon, the constant cycle is really getting stagnant and tiring and resets are rare.
NO BIG MAPS FOR YOU!!!!!
~VansCrew~
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this is where to different gameplay styles collide, those who want to just buzz around in circles and those who appreciate a more fuller, realsitic experience.
:noid
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What does that have to do with a map? How does that stop your strategery?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
What does that have to do with a map? How does that stop your strategery?
it just makes the game sorta repetitive because we have such a small group of maps now and such a lot of players on small maps makes it crowded, especially on the island maps where there arent many fronts or 'targets'
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Maps do have a big influence on combat opportunities.
They shape the style & flow of the battles. Gv friendly or not, long / short distances between bases, CVs or no CVs, distance of spawnpoints, the topography (flat plains or tight valleys) and even distribution of each countries inital start airfield (eternal A1-A19 furball on uterus, while the NE country usually starts takin base after base)....
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I agree Hulse the maps are stale at the moment we been playing the exact same few maps in both late wars for over 3 month now. I used to play every day but lately i log on look at the same boring maps and log off.
The game is still great i just wish we could see a few of those older maps in rotation for something different. I have been moaning about this for a while now to the squad and some of them are hopefull it will change but im beginning to wonder when that will be as we never ever get a response from these sort of posts from the "POWERS THAT BE" and there has been a few posts like this lately.
I dont care what map we see aslong as its something different.
:aok
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all iwant is to just get some feedback form HTC to know what they're thinking:confused:
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i would love to see ozkansas/trinity/DONUT:O :D :p :) :noid :t :O
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wqtf i came here looking for a quickie. :mad: :noid
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Originally posted by Morpheus
wqtf i came here looking for a quickie. :mad: :noid
Hub prolly popped in here, and didn't post. :noid
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Good thing you didn't play AW. You wouldn't have made it. It's about the fight, not the map.
It is about the fight by and large.
But the maps have something to do with it also.
Personally I liked AW when it had the Euro and Pac maps, and loathed the map that became the permanent one at the end.
If your all about furballing and only furballing then yea, the maps dont mean a thing.
But if your like me. who likes to do a wide variety of things depending on my mood at the moment
Then the maps can mean alot
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Originally posted by Laurie
HTC Just a quickie
Now THATS bribery! Not sure if it will work mind
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Originally posted by Morpheus
wqtf i came here looking for a quickie. :mad: :noid
You have not changed:D
oh btw how the hell are ya
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will the old maps even work with the new layout?????
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
will the old maps even work with the new layout?????
There ya go another good question........
wish we could get a few answers here from the great ones....:noid
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Good thing you didn't play AW. You wouldn't have made it. It's about the fight, not the map.
It's no longer 1995, no reason not to change it up some. Back then we had no choice except what game we played.
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Originally posted by Wax
You have not changed:D
oh btw how the hell are ya
wax you moutherfletcher i am GOOd! call me baby!
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I still don't see the big deal about the maps. It might not be 1995 but it's still a flight sim/game. Does a chess board ever change? No. And I've never played the same game twice. No matter if the map has been used for 10 years no battle will ever be the same.
Just enjoy playing cartoon airplanes and tanks. As ROC said in another thead, " If people had nothing to complain about, they'd complain about it.
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the old maps wont work with the new terrain and transiions unless they are all redone.
people are waiting to make new buts when the new terrain editior comes out,and dont say 2 weeks
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I absolutely despised the big maps.When I started playing again a few months ago,I was very pleased to find the old maps back.You can always find a furball in them.
In the big maps it seemed to me that once a furball developed,many of the players would simply go somewhere else where there wasn't as much opposition.It felt like I was "chasing" the fight.
Just my .02
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I still don't see the big deal about the maps. It might not be 1995 but it's still a flight sim/game. Does a chess board ever change? No. And I've never played the same game twice. No matter if the map has been used for 10 years no battle will ever be the same.
Just enjoy playing cartoon airplanes and tanks. As ROC said in another thead, " If people had nothing to complain about, they'd complain about it.
The maps make a big difference in the ground game, attack missions and bomber missions. As a few examples:
On NDIsles, outside of tank town, there really isn't a place for a ground battle if certain islands aren't split between countries.
On Mid-Mesa there are no CV's, thus no chance for that aspect of the game to be played.
SmPizza and Beta are both good maps for the ground game, and thus the attack game but beta is too small to fly a high-alt buff mission (there's just not enough room to get to alt).
To a lesser degree, the maps also play a role in the fighter game. Lake Uterus largely revolves around three furballs while SmPizza allows the battle to spread over a wider area allowing for more one-on-one or one-on-two opportunities.
Yes, I agree, it's all about the fight but the maps influence the style of fighting and to those who like to play every aspect of the game the maps make a bigger difference than to those that prefer to just furball.
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See rule #4
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Atoon: Could it possibly be, that we are completely undecided, have no plan with maps, we are busy with other issues and hence have no opinion that we wish to share with our players?
I have long since learned until we have a really good idea what direction we wish to go, the only purpose announcing ideas serves is to create more strife in the player base.
And I am sure even stating the truth like above I will now be criticized for not having a good enough game plan.
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HT... did the BBS spell check come out in the last patch? :D
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Originally posted by hitech
Atoon: Could it possibly be, that we are completely undecided, have no plan with maps, we are busy with other issues and hence have no opinion that we wish to share with our players?
I have long since learned until we have a really good idea what direction we wish to go, the only purpose announcing ideas serves is to create more strife in the player base.
And I am sure even stating the truth like above I will now be criticized for not having a good enough game plan.
thanks for replying, thats all i wanted, just to know where we were at,
to be fair to "atoon", when after 3 threads in which the community asked for some sort of update, you do sorta wonder.
we don't like to assume it's just that you don't know yet because we had the arena split sprung up on us with no warning and you certainly had your idea and direction clear then...
cheers,
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Originally posted by hitech
Atoon: Could it possibly be, that we are completely undecided, have no plan with maps, we are busy with other issues and hence have no opinion that we wish to share with our players?
I have long since learned until we have a really good idea what direction we wish to go, the only purpose announcing ideas serves is to create more strife in the player base.
And I am sure even stating the truth like above I will now be criticized for not having a good enough game plan.
Hitech,
You might be surprised how much of a positive effect anouncing that you are busy with other items, or have not finalized any plans has for the majority of players who would otherwise be subjected to rumor and speculation.
Vertex.
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more maps=more fun;)
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Originally posted by hitech
Atoon: Could it possibly be, that we are completely undecided, have no plan with maps, we are busy with other issues and hence have no opinion that we wish to share with our players?
I have long since learned until we have a really good idea what direction we wish to go, the only purpose announcing ideas serves is to create more strife in the player base.
And I am sure even stating the truth like above I will now be criticized for not having a good enough game plan.
no matter what you do, you,ll catch hell from somebody for it.
keep up the good work bud.
those of us with patience (most people in the game) will wait.
we know that good things come to those who wait.
:aok
Biding my time,
Boner
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Originally posted by 1Boner
we know that good things come to those who wait.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Guiness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by sonic23
more maps=more fun;)
strange, for the guys i've always flown with it was... more fighting=more fun.
sad how times have changed.
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Originally posted by Coach
HT... did the BBS spell check come out in the last patch? :D
No We converted him to Firefox :D
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DOH!! I thought the map was just there so the GV'ers wouldnt fall. :noid
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Originally posted by hitech
Atoon: Could it possibly be, that we are completely undecided, have no plan with maps, we are busy with other issues and hence have no opinion that we wish to share with our players?
I have long since learned until we have a really good idea what direction we wish to go, the only purpose announcing ideas serves is to create more strife in the player base.
And I am sure even stating the truth like above I will now be criticized for not having a good enough game plan.
LOL delete my post and THEN you take the time to respond. You gotta admit its funny, if not at least ironic.
Justa suggestion- perhaps aknowledge you are aware of consmer disatisfaction and intend to clear up the matter as soon as time allows, just like you did above, but without such "prompting".
With absolutely no response whatsoever from staff- we are left with only our immaginations, and as you are well aware, some of us have very vivid immaginations.....
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I see rule #4 & I dont think I broke it-
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It's truly amazing how much information HT puts out there, only to have it ignored then chastized for not answering someone Personally.
With absolutely no response whatsoever from staff
^^^^^^
Ingredients to make a tasty cow pie.
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ROC, If the info is so clearly out there, how come none of the players on the BBS seems to be aware? Couldld it be that the place the information was released is a place most players dont frequent, or are unaware exists?
Because I read these boards fairly often, and all I saw was the topic being ignored. Please, enlighten myself and the many others who are obviously interested.
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Atoon it's not HTCs job to responde to every question/whine that is made. I took for granted how open HTC is with info and ideas(we just got to vote on the next plane). Further more, I took for granted how hard HTC makes fixes and game play for the better. This was until trying to get help/news from other games I play. HTC blows them away in this department. They owe us nothing. No explination, no say in what happens. It's their game, their playground, they just let us on it. To feel we are owed an explination is silly. Now some might say "But it's my money". To that I responde it's your money to have access to the game, not to run it. It's not a democracy, it's a dictatorship... and hitech is god!
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Originally posted by Shuffler
DOH!! I thought the map was just there so the GV'ers wouldnt fall. :noid
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Shuffler
DOH!! I thought the map was just there so the GV'ers wouldnt fall. :noid
its also a handy spot to park your plane when you gotta take a leak :D
keeps ya from ending up at 35k with no fuel !
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Its funny to me watching you guys who think you need to defend HTC.
ROC- Hitech himself stated, they had no opinion they wanted to share with the players. So please, take a moment to validate your comment-
Superdud- Its great you are satisfied with HTC information releases. Myself and several others had legitimate questions regarding maps. We felt our questions were going unanswered. I dint start this thread, but I was able to fascilitate a response from staff, which answered the questions!
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ROC- Hitech himself stated, they had no opinion they wanted to share with the players. So please, take a moment to validate your comment-
Hitech has said time and time again what their position is on answering things and providing information. You won't always get an answer, somethings will be released when they are good and ready to release it. Just because someone doesn't get the answer they want, or Like the answer they got, does not mean they are owed anything further. With that thought, some still think that it's fun to get HTs attention, and complain to the point where HT has to come in here and babysit. This is clearly a stupid thing to do, as this type of behavior only takes production time away from working on the very things some people are complaining about.
Now, You stated
With absolutely no response whatsoever from staff
Now, as I stated, HT does respond, and in fact they respond far better than most game companies will, by far.
Now you can play cute games all you want, but the fact is a good portion of players in here are quite familiar with what HT is working on, and completely in the dark about other things. We also have enough common sense to keep up with the releases and pipeline discussions, ask questions if we want, and don't go crying in the corner if the bad bad HT doesn't jump up and down to answer questions that may simply be none of your business. HT get's hit no matter what they do, ask the question and they get hammered for not answering. Answer the question and they get hammered for the answer. Frankly, I'm proud of the fact that they keep these boards open at all.
I'm on the CM team, and I don't always get answers when I need them, but knowing what these guys are up against I give them a Great Deal Of Room to get to me when they can, because frankly If I had to chose between getting my question answered and a new plane, I'll take the plane! You think these guys have a full time staff to sit in here and review this board and handle every question from every angle and address every complaint? Get real.
If that's not good enough for you, then I suggest this approach.
Just because "a Few" of you want to complain, don't even Think that you speak for "ALL" or "MOST" in here, that would be a mistake.
Your broad statements like HT never responds, or No One can find answers, or Most cant find their way around the boards are grossly incorrect, wholly unfair and uncalled for.
Consider, if you will sir, how "Most" of the board frequenters got the short end of the In Game Vote for planes. Careful who you think you speak for.
Now you may or may not like what I said, or think I answered you, or may not understand what I'm saying, but be clear on this. I don't Owe you enlightenment or an explanation, nor validation. My original comment should have been clear enough. Take it or leave it.
If you need me to explain the cow pie ingredients, I'll be happy to.
And if you really want a trip, try this hat on. HT said "Could it possibly be.." ;)
He didn't State anything.
Are you Sure you got answered?
:rofl
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Roc- since your flames and name calling at me are in defense of HTC I'm sure you are not to worried about rule #4. But I will continue to keep my end civil anyway-
If you dont think my interest in when these stale maps will be replaced is valid, get this- I dont care what you think! Several others on these boards had the exact same question and appreciated the answer. Now if you think it took alot of time for HTC to create that lengthy response- im sorry to be the one personally responsible for having pushed CT back ANOTHER 2 WEEKS- But IMO, a simple response was justified long ago, it only takes a second & Skuzzy could relay the info- didnt have to be Dale.
I never said I speak for many, a few, or most. But several people made posts in several threads showing they feel the same. Thats enough for me. Roc, I feel the same about your comments. I don't think you represent the number of people you think you do-
I'm sure you are very familiar with the ingredients for "cow pie", perhaps its a delicacy where your from. Around here we just walk on bye.:cool:
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Atoon: You are rapidly going over the edge and are doing nothing but flaming HTC for no other purpose than trying to prove yourself correct by reaching at straws.
You also are proving my point about why I do not answerer questions when it serves my purpose not to. I post a response and once again get flamed for different items just so some one like you can make himself feel better by criticizing things he knows absolutely nothing about.
You make assumptions that are totally incorrect, something like it doesn't have to be HiTech but could be Skuzzy.
Skuzzy is not involved in the development process and rarely knows what my plans are for developments.
So please apply the "Rules of holes"
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(Just fantasizing of course)
What would potentially be cool would be if there was a random terrain generator, that randomized some variables and then generated a new map based upon them, and then inserted it into the rotation.
Of course, I don't even know if such a thing is possible with the current terrain engine! But conceptually at least, it would be fun thing ...
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hehe
I love this game..Maps dont much matter..I just need Hi concentration of Red Dots
bTw..
HTC and crew..I want to know what you guys have on the plans for your breakfast this week and next month
All of us demand to know what you are going to eat...
I dont speak for some or a few..I speak for all of us..Trust me..I stayed at the Holiday Inn last night
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Note to self... read ALL of the thread before replying, in case page 2 contains a surprising turn in the thread....
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Do a search on the BBS for Maps and you will find that HTC explained the
reasons why some maps are being used, and others, are not. This came about during the change from one arena to four arenas. I read it and accepted it.
Search for it...the explanation is there.
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See rule #4
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I think any change is good. If the old maps work, why not?
-SR-:aok
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lolollol..
QUOTE]HTC, there is now an almost universal request for our maps of old to be ebbed back into the game[/QUOTE]
Did i not get that email about voting on maps??[
Id like to see where your "almost universal " poll results were taken from...
hehe.
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See rule #4
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I'm starting to forget some of the old maps... :cry
As long as we remember them, they stay alive! The map rotation really started to get me down...but then I realized there's one place that has a great rotation of maps, historically accurate as well...
The AvA.
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Originally posted by hitech
Atoon: You are rapidly going over the edge and are doing nothing but flaming HTC for no other purpose than trying to prove yourself correct by reaching at straws.
You also are proving my point about why I do not answerer questions when it serves my purpose not to. I post a response and once again get flamed for different items just so some one like you can make himself feel better by criticizing things he knows absolutely nothing about.
You make assumptions that are totally incorrect, something like it doesn't have to be HiTech but could be Skuzzy.
Skuzzy is not involved in the development process and rarely knows what my plans are for developments.
So please apply the "Rules of holes"
I read, accepted & appreciated your reaponse. Others chose to attack/flame me in your defense. I have been responding to them. Just close it, & delete all my posts, edit the thread to how you want it to read-
Heres another suggestion- raise the price back up to 29.95 a month- you will have half the problems & more money-