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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FALCONWING on April 25, 2007, 12:37:56 PM
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ok lets try another one....i just finished reading the post about cv spying etc...let me share what has been happening with my squad...
as most of you know i am C.O. of the Birds Of Prey (BoPs)...like many squads we run missions and allow folks not in the squad to hang out on a numeric ch (vs just using the "squad" auto ch)...we also use the same text ch to communicate back and forth...
over the last two months we have had almost nightly occurrences of "mystery" cpids hanging out on our ch...at first we thought it was guys left over from country missions etc...but then we had things we were saying or typing (yes i admit it we talk smack) being thrown back at us on ch 200 from actually vet players (i too wont mention names)...
so for example i might type or say "hey just owned xcpid over a9" on squad ch and next thing we know xcpid types back "hey that wasnt owning me"
or i might type "woohoo just kilt xcpid" and a squaddie reply "cool he is such a whiner" and next thing on ch 200 we would get confronted by the guy about talking smack about him....
what disturbed me more was that many times the xcpid were oldtime vets...not guys i would have thought would have played along with such foolishness...and it wasnt just one squad..but seemed to be several different squads who were receiving communication on what we were doing or saying....
we would confront the mystery 3000 rank cpid on our ch and they would disappear off the channel list and then reappear 10 minutes later...obviously we have no way of knowing who is tuned to the text ch...
so far it has been consistently rooks...no knits involved in this foolishness...
now i dont expect anything to be changed...i have not tried reporting anyone because no "rules" are being broken...but it does make me disappointed in those that choose to conduct themselves in such a way...
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What channel are you on?
:noid
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Don't talk about other people and you give them no incentive to tune (into a public channel). Or if you must, use squad red text.
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uuuuum it was him >>>>>>>
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Never say anything off squad channel that you wouldn't happily repeat on 200. If you choose to say something on an open channel, assume you won't be the only guy to read it.
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If you want to keep something private, don't talk on a public channel. ;)
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You were not on squad channel, you were on a generic channel. Why do you not just use the squad channel.
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Squad channel poses a problem for those doing operations with multiple 32 member wings.
EDIT/ps. BOPS are not the only squad with multi-wing structure -- so dont interpret that as a slam. It's simply one of the limitations of squad text/vox.
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all well and good....but obviously the main reason the duplicate accounts are on our ch are to inform the other country about our missions etc...i thnk it is just a side benefit that they can instigate arguments etc...
i guess it is possible someone enjoys spending $15 (or likely free trial period) to start verbal/text fights...but i doubt it...
one guy i dont mind naming was astone of the LCA who would routinely camp on our sq ch during our squad nights and coordinate rook responses to our missions...when we changed to flying aganst knits he would announce it on ch 200 what we had planned...
of course one should always be careful of what you do and hold yourself to the highest of standards....but how many of you can honestly say you could hold up under that scrutiny or would want to when you are trying to relax and goof around with the guys...i for one will admit that i cannot nor particularly want to try...
and again this is supposed to be a game...to me this is just as cool as hanging around behind a guy playing battleship/poker and signal to others what they are doing....again i am only suprised by those who seem to not mind receiving the info and using it...
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Originally posted by Simaril
Squad channel poses a problem for those doing operations with multiple 32 member wings.
i understand that many cant refrain from this being a BoP problem but i obviously could choose to do the same to:
wings of terror
56th
DFA
475th (one of the group receiving info on us)
hell angels
chawks
LCA
MAW
or any other large multiwing squads who cant use a single auto squad ch
(just check the squads listing and see how many squads have multi wings..)
also if they arent supposed to be available for multiwing squads or joint ops or private chat why do the other channels exist?
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Falc --
I think most would agree that out-and-out spying is at least poor sportsmanship, even if it isnt "cheating". That goes for spying on shared squad channel (like you describe) but also for sharing mission information -- which is usually on a shared channel anyway.
I'm wondering if peer pressure might be a good way to discourage that behavior. Frankly, I can't think of a better way. Same approach is used when police departments post the names of businessmen arrested with hookers, for example...
So, while I appreciate your hesitance to name names, would it make sense to reveal who participates in this stuff?
EDIT: looks like your response came in while I was adding the clarification to my last post. Again, the comment was NOT meant as a BOP slam, just an observation about the limits of squad channel.
And BTW, you can add the 332nd Flying Mongrels to your list -- we had to go to 2 wings to avoid booting the guys who fly rarely but still want to be affiliated.
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btw, what channels do all you multiwing guys use? :t
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Originally posted by USRanger
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ROFLMAO it's the monster in my dreams!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by hitech
You were not on squad channel, you were on a generic channel. Why do you not just use the squad channel.
A system would first need to be designed that would allow multiple COs to latch themselves and their squads into one private squad channel before being able to move off the public channels.
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Falcon may I suggest putting together a Team Speak server that was you know only you squad can get in and can communicate across all the arenas to every squad mate.:aok
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Reminds me of many moons ago when MAW was running a base capture mission and couldn't figure out where the heck the goon was. We happened to be on a channel where other countries could listen. There is some thread from way back that talked about it. Was pretty funny at the time.
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I may let a Bish or Knight know if a TT base mission is rolling (haven't in months), but that is pathetic.
HT regardless if that is not Squad Channel, it is about as lame as you can get. Also, I've had 50+ folks in some of my missions, Squad text is negated. Some of these are a "Meet in the Tower" type mission, not a "Mission from the Mission Planner".
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I think its dis-honorable, but its not cheating.
When you decided to have a squad that is too large to fit in the game, you decided to accept using open radio coms. Using open coms has its limitaions as you have become aware. you gotta decide whats more important.
The gameplay has been in a continual spiral with each passing day. When the game was new, there were very few HOs & even less veterans flyin trainer rides. Now every other plane is an la7, & its gonna HO. I expect the downward trend to continue as the player base rises. This is just another fine example.
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that has been a prob for some squads also falcn. one way is if you are not in a hurry PM the other CO and he can put it on his squad text.
lol karaya...i like the 40+ stuka missions :rofl :noid :O :D
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Don't feel bad Falc. Yo_maw_maw, look it up. :)
Tumor
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Originally posted by Simaril
EDIT: looks like your response came in while I was adding the clarification to my last post. Again, the comment was NOT meant as a BOP slam, just an observation about the limits of squad channel.
And BTW, you can add the 332nd Flying Mongrels to your list -- we had to go to 2 wings to avoid booting the guys who fly rarely but still want to be affiliated.
thanks for the clarification simaril:aok
because i was bored i pulled up the squads list and there are 17 active squadrons with more than 1 wing...so they must use a "unprivate vox ch"
and thanks for the support guys but im not asking for change or intervention from hitech and crew..they have bigger fish to fry...
and i dont want to be posting names as my intent was not to embarrass individuals...
i have just been simply amazed at the audacity of these folks and wanted to draw the communities attention to these behaviors which to me go far beyond relaying a cv group etc. i have been pm'd from time to time by guys on other countries with info but have chosen to respond with a "thanks but no thanks" and wont relay the info to my squad or the bish...just didnt seem right...:cool:
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last week several of your BoP members were flying rooks informing where JG54 was so we wouldn't mess up your toolshedding. your group of highly skilled and intrepid players would just keep shifting to other undefended bases.
I had fun smacking down reams of the BoPs when we did catch them though.
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Originally posted by storch
last week several of your BoP members were flying rooks informing where JG54 was so we wouldn't mess up your toolshedding. your group of highly skilled and intrepid players would just keep shifting to other undefended bases.
I had fun smacking down reams of the BoPs when we did catch them though.
i am assuming that like most of your posts you are flat out lying...however if you have any film of any bops flying as rooks please post them or send them to me as that would be their last day as a BoP...I believe our "rule" is well known and widely discussed....
also, i can most definitely say that the JG54 and their pilots are not a force that BoPs worry about..:lol :rofl i would gladly arrange a squad vs squad duel if you need this delusion squashed:aok
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Originally posted by Husky01
Falcon may I suggest putting together a Team Speak server that was you know only you squad can get in and can communicate across all the arenas to every squad mate.:aok
Fine and dandy for all you up-to-speed net users. Teamspeak and AH would have a hard time out here in the dial-up prettythang end of Oregon.
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Originally posted by thndregg
Fine and dandy for all you up-to-speed net users. Teamspeak and AH would have a hard time out here in the dial-up prettythang end of Oregon.
Same here---such things are death to us dial-up types
(Cox Cable sucks:mad: )
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ya well assume what you want. you spend a good deal of your life being wrong anyway one more thing to be wrong about is fine as you are well accustomed to being mistaken. any time you want the squad v squad in the DA I think that would be fun. but it's fun enough trouncing your tardlettes in the arena repeatedly.
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Originally posted by storch
you spend a good deal of your life being wrong anyway
:huh :rofl :rolleyes:
And you spend a good deal of your life being right?
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Originally posted by storch
ya well assume what you want. you spend a good deal of your life being wrong anyway one more thing to be wrong about is fine as you are well accustomed to being mistaken. any time you want the squad v squad in the DA I think that would be fun. but it's fun enough trouncing your tardlettes in the arena repeatedly.
evidently storchie has a bad case of Bop envy:cry
do you show this stuff to your therapist?
you took a perfectly sane thread and turned it into a comedy show
again.
hopin for the 2 drink minimum,
Boner
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Originally posted by storch
ya well assume what you want. you spend a good deal of your life being wrong anyway one more thing to be wrong about is fine as you are well accustomed to being mistaken. any time you want the squad v squad in the DA I think that would be fun. but it's fun enough trouncing your tardlettes in the arena repeatedly.
He asked for a film as proof (or anything else). Did you not read that or was there a problem with comprehension? :confused:
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
also, i can most definitely say that the JG54 and their pilots are not a force that BoPs worry about..:lol :rofl i would gladly arrange a squad vs squad duel if you need this delusion squashed:aok
The challenge was accepted, so when's this going to happen? I'm just curious on who's more delusional.:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
The challenge was accepted, so when's this going to happen? I'm just curious on who's more delusional.:D
Too bad we can't have party goons in AH, would be a lot of fun to fill a couple of them with observers and watch the fight.
- oldman
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lols
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woohoo!!
lets get it organized storch!!!
im thinking 5 v 5?
you take your top guys and ill take mine...
no new additions to squad after yesterday, so ill screenshot yours and my current roster to avoid confusion :D
and i would love to have a bunch of observers...in fact if a special events guy could host would be awesome:aok
lets just say the last time i went to DA with storch his flight style was....ummm......unexpected.. ..(we flew his choice of plane 109-g all times..i had to set head positions)
though i won all the duels easily, i had to chase him in high circles in all but one...my favorite is the first when (8 minutes later) he actually types "i've run out of gas" :rolleyes:
i would hope this would be a grand furball o deth and let the most skilled squad win:D
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BIGGUNSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSs
CHECK 6
btw..hahah he said DA DA DA!!!!
4/10 on whine-o-meter
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Now Falc, you be careful when fighting storch with his wily ways. I know first hand what storch can do.
Back on March 21st, around 17:00 hrs local, some Bish where trying to take V40 using C37. The CV was getting shelled by V40’s SB. I up an F4U-1D with bombs and rockets to deal with the SB. As I got to the SB, a high Spit is coming my way. Not wanting to get in fight with ordnance onboard, I dove on SB and let the bombs go. The Spit dives in but I have enough smack to avoid his attack and turn to at least threaten the Spit. The Spit climbs back up in an attempt to rope me but I wouldn’t go for it. I turn back for the SB and put a few rockets into it. The Spit dives in again, I do a defensive break, and the Spit climbs back up. A few more rockets into the SB and here comes the Spit again. Another break, another miss by the Spit, and the last of the rockets into the SB. A few more attacks by the Spit and I’m on the deck with my E all but gone when a C-Hog shows up. The Spit is coming in again and has me turning. The C-Hog has the luxury of deciding when he wants to join the fight but decides to pick that moment and go for the HO. After the Spit misses, I maneuvered to avoid the C-Hog’s HO. But the C-Hog switched tactics and goes for the ram. Despite my best efforts, I still ended up with this on the screen:
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/storch-ram.jpg)
So you be careful when it comes to storch. He’s a real killer that is just dying to make a kill.
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You really think that people care enough about BOP's to spy on em? :lol
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Originally posted by Furball
You really think that people care enough about BOP's to spy on em? :lol
I don,t think that these cretins care Who they spy on.
They,ll spy on anybody!!
How did this post turn into a thing about the Bops anyway??
Oh yeah.
Storchie boy and his petty, name callin cronies.
what a shocker:O
Boner
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Originally posted by 1Boner
How did this post turn into a thing about the Bops anyway??
Originally posted by FALCONWING
ok lets try another one....i just finished reading the post about cv spying etc...let me share what has been happening with my squad...
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Yup, you're right Furball.
He was really lookin to start trouble there huh?
right after that he called all storchies squad members "tardlettes"
Oh no, wait thats not right.
Oh yeah, it was somebody else said that, can,t remember who.
Can you??
Your Pal,
Boner
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I only read the first post, i didnt bother reading the rest of the thread.
I was replying to Falcn.
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Originally posted by Furball
You really think that people care enough about BOP's to spy on em? :lol
unfortunately yes furball....
just as there are members of your squad who care about our rules...
just as there are folks who use every opportunity including this thread to namecall....
just as everytime i land kills in a la7/spit16 there are comments on ch 200 about it...
just as there are many folks who dont like the fact we are more then 32 members and have made it known on this bbs...
just as there members of this community who have opened accounts on our webpage and monitor what we post (we actually have to have a secret section that can only be accessed by webmaster allowing it)...there are somehow like 500 members of the birds of prey website...we should charge advertising...
now have we brought this on ourselves? im sure to some extent we have...but it has not been by being boastful or scorepotatos or "claiming to own everyone" or telling others how to play the game...(though i did post alot when the single MA disappeared and that caused negative feelings)
no...our biggest crime seems to be that we have a bunch of guys who like hanging out with each other and enjoy the game..and we run large missions which is viewed as intolerable by some....
so furball, i dont think they are spying on us because they are "afraid" of us...but rather because some folks truly would like to see us have problems or fall apart or continue to propagate negative feelings towards us....
:huh
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
but rather because some folks truly would like to see us have problems or fall apart or continue to propagate negative feelings towards us....
:huh
I can definitely empathize with this part. :lol
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I now agree.
:noid :noid
Seriously, i dont have a problem with you guys, you are a fun bunch, and always good for banter.
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furball...oops didnt notice you had joined jg54...ok there will be one stick to watch out for;)
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FALCONWING
I think this spying thing stinks .
This is my creed for quite some time .
"I don't cheat or tolerate those that do"
Enoungh said .
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Some of these are a "Meet in the Tower" type mission, not a "Mission from the Mission Planner".
When I post missions I say "A24 raid" but when we all up and we get out of range of the base I usally tell them my real intended target...
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
furball...oops didnt notice you had joined jg54...ok there will be one stick to watch out for;)
Truekill too. Other than Furball, he's the only other one with any talent in that squadron and unlike storchita and KONG1, a really decent fellow. Had some good fights and shared some good jokes with Truekill last night.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Too bad we can't have party goons in AH, would be a lot of fun to fill a couple of them with observers and watch the fight.
- oldman
BRILLIANT!
We could all have a glass in our hands instead of the 45 :D
pull trigger = take a drink:aok
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Thanks... I am currently touring different squads. I do not have a bad word to say about JG54 so far, very nice guys.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Truekill too. Other than Furball, he's the only other one with any talent in that squadron and unlike storchita and KONG1, a really decent fellow. Had some good fights and shared some good jokes with Truekill last night.
ack-ack
Tbarone,N7, and Republic aren't exactly pushovers.
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sorry that I haven't been on lately but I will post a message on the squad BBS and PM you facltardlette.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Tbarone,N7, and Republic aren't exactly pushovers.
Ha! So you say! I've killed EACH of them at least once!
Nothing to worry about there, Falconwing & Co., you can take Ack-Ack's assessment to the bank.
- oldman (upon reflection, how many people could join the pilot of a party goon? Just one, or can multiple people ride along?)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Truekill too. Other than Furball, he's the only other one with any talent in that squadron and unlike storchita and KONG1, a really decent fellow. Had some good fights and shared some good jokes with Truekill last night.
ack-ack
What's wrong Snack, you don't love me anymore? Smooooch :D
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Originally posted by Slash27
Tbarone,N7, and Republic aren't exactly pushovers.
Can't speak to N7, but imho Tbarone and Republic are very good sticks, especially with them nat-zee planes.
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LMAO @ yous.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
LMAO @ yous.
hey dweeb, when you gonna get the itch to comeback? you know the AH itch is like herpes, it never quite goes away.
ack-ack
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yea ima comin back soon. 5 some odd years and the itch is always there.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
yea ima comin back soon. 5 some odd years and the itch is always there.
They sell a cream for that. :D
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Just make squelch work both ways. You squelch someone and not only can you not hear them, they can't hear you. Spying problem solved to a large degree right there.
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see this thread masherbrum
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Originally posted by storch
see this thread masherbrum
Then do it, watermelon or get off the pot man.
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I've been trying and so has falc. that still leaves you though doesn't it?
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yawn.
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Originally posted by storch
I've been trying and so has falc. that still leaves you though doesn't it?
Say when, I'll be on tonight or tomorrow night. If you want to 1 vs 1, I'll do it. I've personally never had a problem with you Storch, but you were awfully quick to call me a "moron" on 200. Name one time, I "called you a name" on 200, you cannot.
I enjoy fighting, it's why I play this game. I've duelled Mac in goons, when that was the decision and he got my goon, in his 262. He was shocked I rolled a goon, but that was the plane that he chose.
But like I've said, a lot of folks would just wish you'd PM the BoP's or Falcnwng in the MA's.
If you take offense to this then you are overreacting.