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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DingHao2 on July 07, 2001, 02:55:00 PM
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Well??
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2 weeks
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Me-262, SeaFury, P-47M, and P-51H
:)
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P51H my ass...... :)
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Didn't you mean Me-262, Hawker Hurricane, P-47M, and P-51H?
;)
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...maybe more diappearing icons? hehe :D
Personally, I'm hoping for more BUFFs. Don't see many Arados around due to the perk thing....would love to have some more choices than the B-17, B-26 and Lancaster. Ju-88 is, well, a Ju-88...my old Red Ryder BB gun has more power than those little guns :-)
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I hope the Meteor is released at the same time as the ME-262. Even though the ME-262 was reportedly superior in speed and maneuverability it would at least keep a sense of parity online.
-Westy
[ 07-07-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]
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SeaFury is even more BS keep on dreaming.......... They didnt exist till 46/47, lol some of you guys are so funny in what you consider as acceptable perk planes. In that case I fairly request the 600mph plus Ta183 (aka Mig15 :) ), with four Rhursthal X4 Guided missles, and four MG213 1000rpm firing 30mm cannon with higher velocity tnan the MG151/20.
Plz HTC plz.... :)
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The first Fury protype flew in Sept 44, a couple were flying by the end of the year. How many Ta183 protypes did Germany fly?
Oh look, I found a photo of the Ta183 prototype ready for launch;
(http://users.visi.net/~djohnson/fw/ta183mf2.jpg)
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Fury and Seafury not same, and Tempest II dont count. Tell me you actually support this Seafury nonsense?
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gladiator
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I have 100% guaranteed information that there is some new stuff and it will be released when they are ready.
Count on it. :)
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Well, I don't see much difference between the Fury and Sea Fury, the Sea Fury just had some extra equipment added for carrier ops.
There were also 3 Sea Fury prototypes flying before the end of the war.
So which is more ridiculous, asking for a pretty conventional piston plane that was flying during the war, but was delayed until after the war because of cancellations of orders, or asking for an experimental jet that existed only as a hand launched glider model, and would have needed another year or 2 to be ready?
The Fury protoype first flew at around the same time as the Ta152. One was rushed into production, the other wasn't.
Having said that, I wouldn't want the Fury in AH unless other aircraft that didn't see service are introduced, like the Do 335, P-51H etc.
At this point I'd be happy to see any post 42 unperked British fighter. A SPit XIV to rival the Dora, a Spit 21 to counter the Ta152, Meteor III vs Me 262. At the state the RAF is in in AH even the Spit IX LF from early 43 would be a welcome edition.
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The Ta152 was far more common than the Spit21, plus it came out some 4 months earlier, Spit21 only in last week or so of the war. :) (Note: plz take it as nitpick joke) Plus any possible AH Spit21 is waaay better than Ta152 at all alts and under 35k, as is the Tempest at any likely AH combat alt.
Anyway of course the Ta183 in AH is rediculous, I meant it to be so as joke, and certainly dont want it in AH.
Personally I dont care for the perkies at all so far and dont see any thaty would intest me much.
As for a new spitfire in AH, I honestly cant see how it would end up not being perked after a few tours. As we are today, and according to your posts, the poorest Spit9 possible is the #1 or #2 most used plane in AH. With some of the performance figures you guys quote of various LF or MkVIII or whatever spits like climbrates in excess of 5200fpm and roll-rates like or better than FW190 and 10-20mph increased speeds at AH combat alts. This certainly would become the most used plane even over the Niki. As far as im concerned due to their amazing e-retention Spits allready outclimb most planes in actual fights, if not sustained climb, adding a Spit that supposedly climbs at or over 5000fpm will do what to its usage and MA numbers? You might get it but youll prolly loose it to perking sooner rather than later just like chog. I dont know what can be done if the performance numbers you people post on these LF and MkVIII spits are true and representative of actual service machines. Frankly looking at some of these figures you quote like the 5000+ fpm climb and deckspeeds of appx 365-370mph I wonder why Brits even bothered with the Griffon engine in spits, if such stunning perfomances were available on current in service spits? Certainly these are climb figures that few or no other 1943/44 early era fighters come close to matcing and the speed is outstanding as well. I honestly donno what will happend with your Spits...
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Y do U all insist on jet planes Y not more older model planes like the P40 or Kate Or Val or maybe even the Betty bomber I would like to see more Japanese Bombers or other bombers for that matter. I am not big on seeing yet another BnZ plane like the P51 or the Tempest I am so tired of the constant Furballs I would like to see more co-operation. U all I am tired of BnZ dogfights between 109G10s and P51Ds and LA7s and N1Ks I dont want to see the WW2 flight sim evovling into a game of damn near korean war sim I like to see more of the major players in the war like the planes I mentioned above.
Hodo
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Just to start with a nitpick of my own, the Spit 21 prototype first flew July 43, the first production plane flew March 44.
The only Spits with a 5000ft/min+ climb rate were the Griffon engined Spit XIV (and some later ones, I suppose), and the Spit VIII/IX on 150 octane, which should certainly be perked.
A quick comparison of the Spit IX LF to the F we have now:
around 4000 built (350 of the current Merlin 61 engined F IXs built)
approx 15-20mph faster below 20k
climb rate around 4700ft/min, about 1000ft/min better than the AH spit
Overtake the N1k2 as the most popular plane? Perhaps, but it still wouldn't be the best plane in AH, and I doubt it would see the level of usage that the F4U-1C did. Besides, something has to be the most popular plane, and at least the Spit would be more representitive of the war as a whole, it was after all produced in large numbers from mid war on.
As to perking, I think calls to perk the Spit IX demonstrate how ridiculous the perk system has become. It bears no relation to historical accuracy, and now is starting to lose touch with the idea of perking high performance aircraft. The current Spit IX is the worst Spit IX variant, entered service in summer 42, and yet people are calling for it to be perked.
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Ding_Hao,
HTC doesn't announce release schedules. 1.08 will be released when they are ready to release it.
Originally posted by Pyro on 6-18-2001 in the News, Announcements, & Information forum:
A couple of new terrains for the main are getting close to completed. As soon as we're ready to go with them, we'll implement the new terrain rotation system that swaps out terrains when the war is won instead of every month.
Work on 1.08 is going well. We have the switchover to DX8 in beta. The purpose of that is to lay the foundation for a number of graphics improvements.
An entirely new terrain editor is being written. This runs as a separate Windows style app that will be easier to use and contain more functionality. Related to that is a new road/railroad system. As it sounds, that will allow us and terrain builders to put roads and trains into their terrains. We're going to focus on getting trains implemented first. Woo-woo.
The other new stuff for 1.08 we'll talk about once we get to working on it and can see where it stands.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
Based on this post I would guess that they are adding a rail and road system, upgrading to DirectX 8 and from another post possible reviewing the N1K2-J's flight model.
HTC has not announced, or hinted at, any of the units being added to AH in 1.08. They may not even know what is to be added themselves.
I am hoping that the Mosquito FB.VI Series 2, Me410A and P1Y1 Ginga are added in 1.08.
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12X .303 Hurricane
P-40
Me Salamander
Re2000
A-26!!!!!
P-61
P-61
P-61
P-61
P-61
P-61
P-38J
:D :D
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Ok the spit you want would be 20mph faster at AH combat alts and at 4700fpm be the best climber of the game, more than Tempest, G10, or La7. Plus you want clipped LF type wings so it rolls better than the neuterd Fw190, plus I suppose you want this clipped wing type to turn just as well as standard perhaps even better by some sort of fancy justification.
Well I gotta admit no wonder you want such a machine, it would kick bellybutton in the MA. Then it will get perked and youll be very very sad.... :)
Its a good plane but even with your reduced performance stats such a plane will be in usage numbers trouble very fast.
I donno...
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Originally posted by sling322:
2 weeks
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Me-262, SeaFury, P-47M, and P-51H
:)
Hmm am I missing Me-410 and P-61 in the list or am I missing the Me-410 and P-61 in the list? ;)
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No, I'd like a historically accurate Spit IX, so it won't climb as well as the G10, or roll as well as 190, or turn as well as a non clipped wing Spit.
Not asking for any special treatment, just a 1943 fighter to go with all the 1944 and 1945 ones everyone else is flying.
I mean, Britain can't have been that far ahead of everyone else, can they?
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I can think of 15-20 more planes I'd like added, but the top one has to be the Ki.84 Hayate.
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I think He-280 would be a nice addition to the mid-war planeset :)
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Nashwan - the answer is a quite authoritative yes. :)
I want to see the Meteor III and the Me-262 in AH released at the same time. The real life Meteor RAF pilots were dying to get into combat with a 262, but the LW wouldn't play ball. Also Meteors were banned from going deeply into enemy held territory.
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I'd actually like to see the Spitfire XXXXVVVVISDFHOHTEWRTTYERTTXXV VV943. Only one model existed, well, it existed on a napkin in a pub in London. The specs are as follows- Top speed 947 mph at 15,000 feet, on the deck it is only capable of a measly 853 mph. Climbrate is 8,743 fpm under WEP, until 20k, at which point it drops to an anemic 6,582 fpm. Armnament consisted of 62 Hispano MK 974 20mm cannon (30 in each wing and 2 in the nose), with 18,740 rounds per gun. The actual effective range of these guns were well over 800 miles, they could shell Germany from their airbases in Britain, but the pilots would of course get bored quickly.
/sarcasm off.
OK, I really do understand that there are probably some people out there that REALLY like the spitfire, just like I like the 190 and 109. However, these people are definately in the minority. I'd guess that 90% of the people flying the Spitfire fly it because it is an easy plane to fly, and it has the best guns in the game (even if it does only get 2 of them, with rather limited ammo). In its "1943" incarnation, the Spitfire is still the SECOND most popular plane in the game, by a pretty good margin. I think it was actually close to the niki in total kills last tour, I'll have to check. Granted, the K/D ratio was not to impressive, but you can chalk that up to the fact that most people take off and point their nose into the nearest furball. One of the reasons that the K/D is not better is BECAUSE the spitfire is slow. I actually don't have to much trouble with them, compared to nikis and LA7s. If a spit gets on your 6, co-E, just do what real pilots did, roll and dive. You'll outdistance the spit pretty easily (though I did get pinged at d800 a few days ago- the guy must have been a decent shot).
Now take that 1943 spit and add 1k fpm to the climb rate, 25 mph to the top speed, and a better roll rate. Hey presto! You can no longer run from a Spit on the deck, you are going to have a tough time rolling away from it go get away, and you STILL can't climb away from it. (even in the "1943" mode, the Spit can outzoom 190s, and every 109 but the G10- speaking from personal experience only of course).
I feel badly for the people that are huge fans of the Spit, and would like to see a "better" version of it, I really do. However, that would pretty much destroy any semblence of "balance" in the MA (as bad as it is with the Niki right now, it'd be worse with that spit).
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* Fairey Swordfish
* Fieseler Storch
:D
Pepe
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p-38j?
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all I want is Yak-3... one of the best fighters of WW II.... not very fast, not very good climber, has small ammo load, not a very good turner...
Well it doesnt climb as good as 109K4 - G10
Well it doesnt accelerate as La5
Well it doesnt has ammo load and power of Chog and P47
well it doesnt turn as good as Zeke
But its an oustanding pure born fighter at its best and i REALLY want it in the game
PLease HT.... PLEASE!!!!!! :)
P.S. if not Yak3? at least one decent bomber for USSR... like Tu-2 or Pe-8
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When the Spit IX LF was already near the equal of and FW190D9, i wonder why British Captain Eric Brown ranked the D9 together with the Spit XIV as the #1 fighters of world war too. Taking into account that the D9 had the much better roll and the XIV had the tighter horizontal turn. Both gave each other not much in climb rate&level speed. But FW had advantage in dive.
My prob is i lost the URL of the webpage that showed those passages from E.Brown (if i remeber right, it was from the book "wings of the Luftwaffe"), when my PC crashed and i had to format HD to get it back up.
Also i wonder how any LW pilot than would have been able to survive engaments with spitfires and odds of 2-1 or 3-1, even when they were bounced by the spits.
I read the complete history of JG26 and III/JG.54 while flying DORAs and they give me the picture that still up to the end of the war the D9 was atleast the equal of every used allied fighter or possed even an advantage over them (now dont argue with pilot skill, the times i am speeking of the average allied pilot was far better educated and common with his plane that the average GE pilot).
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Gawd .. 99% of theBIGGER AND BETTER A/C are allready in this sim .. how about a step back in time and starting with a few really important planes from the start of the war .. or at least mid-war
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Naudet, the Spit IX LF is no way equal to the Dora. At almost all altitudes the Dora will be around 40mph faster. It takes the Spit XIV to fight the Dora on equal terms.
Duckwing, I agree, more mid war planes in AH. Like the Spit IX LF
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I have no problem with spit whatevers being add to the game - got nothing to do with the plane really, more ta do with who's flying it.
Unless you talking about 4000kg nik2 with 1800hp engine which dives faster than 9300kg P47 with a 2800hp engine?
Think the first thing that needs fixing in AH is some of the FM's really. Instead of adding even sillier ones
Just my personal opinion :)
Chow
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Ok....all of you....get in the boat!!!
The guy asked a "when and what" question and I answered...with a joke I might add....a list of planes that are so ridiculous that it was actually funny seeing you go nuts over. Groinhurts was the funniest though...I could actually see his panties wadding up from here. :D
Some of you need to take a tranquilizer or 2 from time to time.
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Screw you guys, bring on the Storch! :D
(http://www.i-star.com/users/markvz/sig_pursuit1.jpg)
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Nashwan. Check ur private messages plz.
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People fly spit/n1k/zero because of its simplicity to fly.
Try a more challenging plane like 190A8 or P47 all you spit dorks :D
Earn the kill, dont let the plane do all the work for you :D