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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: VWE on May 01, 2007, 07:12:36 AM
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Wouldn't this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070501/ap_on_re_us/immigration_protests) be a great place for immigration to line up some buses and a few officers and check green cards?
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somos Américas!!! and yes, you are very right. It's no different than any other large gathering of criminals in public, and it's unfortunate we are too much of wimps to actually do anything about it.
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Would be a great place for an airforce jet to show up with a daisy cutter IMO
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Would be a great place for an airforce jet to show up with a daisy cutter IMO
PWNED!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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It shows that our government is powerless to stop any criminal activity or.. any activity for that matter that involves even a few million people... they are much better at things like waco where they can kill a hundred or so away from the prying eyes of the rest of us.
lazs
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Would be a great place for an airforce jet to show up with a daisy cutter IMO
Honestly....That would be awesome.....
I picture everyone running around saying "ayyyy yay yay" like the bumble bee on the simpsons.....
stupid illegals.
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*gawd*
no, I won't
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Buses? How about the National Guard, and some cattle trucks (the BIG ones). No green card or proof of citizenship? Into the trucks and away you go.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Would be a great place for an airforce jet to show up with a daisy cutter IMO
Naw, you don't want to use a daisy cutter. Those things will knock buildings and stuff over. Use CBU-52/B cluster bombs. You only want to get rid of the people, and leave most of the infastructure intact. Right tool for the job and all. That's what I was always taught anyway.:aok
By the way, a B-1B will carry ALOT of those things.
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yes... the B1B LANCER
should have a couple of these take care of the immigration problem
(http://www.luddster.com/speed/b1b-1.jpg)
sexy
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We all talk about it. Is anyone doing anything? They are getting organized. We watch Family Guy and play AH. Our children will one day live in a very different America if we dont wake tf up.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
We all talk about it. Is anyone doing anything? They are getting organized. We watch Family Guy and play AH. Our children will one day live in a very different America if we dont wake tf up.
Well... we're spending $80 billion on a fence...
that takes less than 3 minutes to go over, under, or directly through...
contracted through the government...
to a company with a track record of hiring illegal immigrant laborers...
or you could go hang out with the Minutemen, and harass people running one of the worlds most dangerous obstacle courses...
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Originally posted by FiLtH
We all talk about it. Is anyone doing anything? They are getting organized. We watch Family Guy and play AH. Our children will one day live in a very different America if we dont wake tf up.
Simply put----------->:aok
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Originally posted by indy007
or you could go hang out with the Minutemen, and harass people running one of the worlds most dangerous obstacle courses...
LMAO I'd love to spend some quality time with the minutemen along with a trusty M-14 and have a lil fun picking off gophers!!!!!!
:aok
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they are called "coyotes" not gophers.
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Ya know, I don't really care for Carlos Mencia's comedy, but I happened to be flipping channels the other night and he was on, and I think he has the perfect solution.
Let all the illegal aliens already in the country guard the border. Pay them to do it. BUT.....if one of them lets anyone through, the new person gets to stay and the guy who let him through gets kicked out. No one would get across that way.
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Originally posted by indy007
one of the worlds most dangerous obstacle courses...
Yeah, the Rio Grande is mother to cross.
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Originally posted by john9001
they are called "coyotes" not gophers.
They arent worthy of being called coyotes, Actually they are more like "blood sucking leeches" that feed off of the medical and welfare systems that are intended for LEGAL CITIZENS.
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There was an article in my local paper today about Mexican workers here doing landscaping working on short-term worker visas. You need to register to read it (http://www.dispatch.com) but here is what I took away from it.
"They paid about $910 each, were tested for drugs and checked for a criminal past. Then they endured a 42-hour bus ride from Monterrey to Columbus.
All for landscaping jobs that pay $8.60 an hour.
It's an opportunity the Mexican men welcome. They are here legally under a federal program that provides short-term visas to semiskilled and unskilled workers. They will return home by year's end, after completing their jobs with Five Seasons Landscaping."
"If we had local people who would be willing to work," Leidecker said, "the need for this type of program would not be around." His company employs 103 people.
Inexperienced young Americans demand $12 to $13 an hour, he said, and the Mexicans not only work for less but have an excellent work ethic.
All the workers say that they regularly wire money home.
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The landscaping company is wrong. There are US citizens willing to do the work, just not for $8.60/hour. They are correct that if they paid $12 or $13 they could find locals to do the work. But instead, they hire foreigners, using a federally funded program to do the work (below market wages), AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WAGES ARE WIRED OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
If these companies would see the bigger picture and realize that if they paid locals market wages THAT MONEY WOULD STAY IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Yeah, the Rio Grande is mother to cross.
The Rio is the easy part. Wandering around in the desert, not so much. Kills a lot of people. Not to mention the armed bandits that prey on them, and border control agents that make them start all over.
Seems a little tougher than say... The Crucible to me.
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Originally posted by Sting138
They arent worthy of being called coyotes, Actually they are more like "blood sucking leeches" that feed off of the medical and welfare systems that are intended for LEGAL CITIZENS.
the human smugglars are called coyotes.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
The landscaping company is wrong. There are US citizens willing to do the work, just not for $8.60/hour. They are correct that if they paid $12 or $13 they could find locals to do the work. But instead, they hire foreigners, using a federally funded program to do the work (below market wages), AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WAGES ARE WIRED OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
If these companies would see the bigger picture and realize that if they paid locals market wages THAT MONEY WOULD STAY IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
And that landscaping company would probably go out of business if it had to pay $12 or $13 an hour.
The federal program you mentioned is one of the ways that can be used to curb illegal immigration but I guess that's not as fun as talking all macho about blowing up and killing people of which the majority are just looking to better themselves and their families.
ack-ack
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And that landscaping company would probably go out of business if it had to pay $12 or $13 an hour.
The federal program you mentioned is one of the ways that can be used to curb illegal immigration but I guess that's not as fun as talking all macho about blowing up and killing people of which the majority are just looking to better themselves and their families.
ack-ack
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Ack's right insofar as if ONE business were to try to hire locals for 12-13$ an hour. What would have to be done to fix this, is to make all of company's in that industry step up to the same standard. This of course, would allow them to raise the rates enough to compensate and stay in competition. Of course, this is the catch.
Somebody will cut throats to do whatever they can to get a larger volume of Business/Income. It happens in every industry.
And business owners do not raise wages at the same rate as the climbing cost of living, at least for the working class. Most employers only care if you show up on time and produce for however long they need you to. They don't care when you leave the job at the end of the day, if you go home to a cardboard box under a freeway underpass. They only care about they're profit margin. Whenever someone I know talks about starting up a small business, I tell them cool, you'll have your own sign and business cards, yada yada yada...But I already know, that if they ask me to work for them, my answer is already no. I've worked for friends. You soon find yourself doing little "extra" things that add up to quite a bit of bad blood really quick. Like working overtime on something for free.
Truthfully, I'd say the biggest problem with immigration is The American businessman. They rely on the fact that Illegal workers crossing the border can easily be pushed around, because of the leverage that their status gives an employer. This is how they cut the competition's throat, by cutting the throat's of their own workers.
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Another thing too...If things are so bad in Mexico that it's people leave in droves to come up to the U.S., Why has'nt something like a coup or a revolution or a civil war broken out in Mexico???
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
And that landscaping company would probably go out of business if it had to pay $12 or $13 an hour.
The federal program you mentioned is one of the ways that can be used to curb illegal immigration but I guess that's not as fun as talking all macho about blowing up and killing people of which the majority are just looking to better themselves and their families.
ack-ack
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Ack's right insofar as if ONE business were to try to hire locals for 12-13$ an hour. What would have to be done to fix this, is to make all of company's in that industry step up to the same standard. This of course, would allow them to raise the rates enough to compensate and stay in competition. Of course, this is the catch.
Somebody will cut throats to do whatever they can to get a larger volume of Business/Income. It happens in every industry.
And business owners do not raise wages at the same rate as the climbing cost of living, at least for the working class. Most employers only care if you show up on time and produce for however long they need you to. They don't care when you leave the job at the end of the day, if you go home to a cardboard box under a freeway underpass. They only care about they're profit margin. Whenever someone I know talks about starting up a small business, I tell them cool, you'll have your own sign and business cards, yada yada yada...But I already know, that if they ask me to work for them, my answer is already no. I've worked for friends. You soon find yourself doing little "extra" things that add up to quite a bit of bad blood really quick. Like working overtime on something for free.
Truthfully, I'd say the biggest problem with immigration is The American businessman. They rely on the fact that Illegal workers crossing the border can easily be pushed around, because of the leverage that their status gives an employer. This is how they cut the competition's throat, by cutting the throat's of their own workers.
Only a liberal would blame anything on businessmen.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the work that these people doing isn't worth the "Living Wage"? And that we shouldn't force the businesses to pay for their services more then they are worth?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the work that these people doing isn't worth the "Living Wage"? And that we shouldn't force the businesses to pay for their services more then they are worth?
Are you advocating slavery?
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Are you advocating slavery?
I'd say he's advocating not having to pay $12/hr+ for unskilled labor.
The free market is harsh like that.
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the starting wage at lowes/home depot is $8.50 per hour, i see lots of americans working there.
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"I'd say he's advocating not having to pay $12/hr+ for unskilled labor."
" we shouldn't force the businesses to pay for their services more then they are worth?"
the labor market says theres no way there doing hard, unpleasant, dirty work, if there barely making more than the guys flipping burgers.
the free market is harsh like that.
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You confuse the word "Hard" with "Difficult."
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Originally posted by john9001
the starting wage at lowes/home depot is $8.50 per hour, i see lots of americans working there.
home depot is air-conditioned ;)
"You confuse the word "Hard" with "Difficult.""
don't think i am. nothing difficult about packing forms, but it is hard work. same goes for landscaping...
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Lazersailor, I say this for 2 reasons:
I live in California's San Jualquin valley. It's mainly a farming industry here. As a result, It's attracted migrant laborer's for decades. Many of them don't even get Minimum wage(What's an illegal alien gonna do? Tell the authorities?) and they live 2-3 families in a single wide mobile home. That's because rents have gotten so high that they chip in to live as cheaply as possible. You can't even rent apartments around here for less than 1000$ a month anymore, due to the real estate market's boom. They've infested the rural towns around here to the point that all of the Main street businesses' in the smaller ones have all of their signs in spanish.
Oh, should I mention...
I guess that harvesting the cotton for your clothes, and the food on your dinner plate, are jobs not worth the "Living wage"?
I will give you this. The income necessary to maintain a certain standard of living varies from State to state, and also changes from rural to urban. California's Pretty expensive in places like the L.A. basin or up in the Bay area. McDonald's will put ads in the paper for people to start at almost 11$ an hour. So the "Living Wage" in one area might not be the same as say, rural Idaho.
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I'm not the one who should determine what jobs are worth. Neither are you.
The market determines that.
I did have a post written that would have pre-empted your comment, however I didn't like how it was worded and chose not to post it.
By the huge influx of illegal workers, and because more come in every day, the cause of their low wage is themselves.
Out of everyone in America who is truly earning what they should get paid, it is the illegal workers. There are a lot of illegal migrant workers, and since the laws don't apply to them, they truly work for how much supply and demand dictates that they should work for, and not some minimum wage law.
They are screwing themselves. And you want me to feel sympathetic for them?
If we were to kick all of the illegals out. And I mean kick them all out under threat of death if they were to return illegally, then there would be a much smaller work force of the actual unemployed legal americans. The business men (due to the laws of supply and demand) would be forced to pay more to attract people to the jobs that the illegals had.
Then the unemployed would have money, they would spend it, and everything would be better.
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On average, I wonder, what % of people in general are prone to be pedophiles, rapists, child kidnappers.. sexual reprobates. Lets say .5%. Thats, uh, quite a few perverts when we are talking about 20 million people (illegals).
Now how many US citizens get the ole unwanted alien probe?, only this alien smells like Budweiser, vomit, urine and body odor.
Its always nice to know your govt spent billions to fail 20 million times though... WTG dot gov!
Edit: I was NOT referring to "rape", but an "undocumented sex act"
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If we were to kick all of the illegals out. And I mean kick them all out under threat of death if they were to return illegally, then there would be a much smaller work force of the actual unemployed legal americans. The business men (due to the laws of supply and demand) would be forced to pay more to attract people to the jobs that the illegals had.
Then the unemployed would have money, they would spend it, and everything would be better.
Except of course that the market would not be operating in a normal fashion. The market would be skewed by those pesky immigration laws, Federal work standards (OSHA, for instance), tax breaks/perks, etc., etc., etc.
Cod, the market would be skewed by the Feds mandating a 40 hour week with overtime after that! Imagine.
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Originally posted by john9001
they are called "coyotes" not gophers.
I thought a coyote was an older woman picking up younger men in a bar?
As to the original post. Get used to it folks. Hispanics are now the leading minority group in the U.S. of A. They are organizing. They are growing (both due to immigration - legal and otherwise, and they tend toward larger families on average). Within many of our lifetimes, their numbers will come close to matching those of white European decedents in the United States. No sense getting mad or indignant, or taking on racists positions: it is happening. Period.
Hispanics are learning they have political power and are flexing their muscles. The days of Black Power have given way to Brown Power (with Asians as a whole warming up in the bullpen to take the #2 spot for themselves). Sorry to say, but all indications so far are that the Hispanics may prove much more successful with their new found political power than the Blacks did as well.
Politicians that can read demographic reports are doing their best to get into their good graces. Politicians are courting the Hispanic vote. Politicians whose sole base are mid-western, conservative whites are going down, clawing away tooth and nail.... but they will lose eventually. Latino Power numbers are growing fast: it is Juggernaut.
This whole issue has a lot less to do with immigration than it does curring favor with, and developing the political power block of, the largest (and growing) minority block in the United States.
And once again, I find myself a moderate. I've no problem in converting illegal immigrants already living and working in this country to legal status though some process. But, I'd also like to see a non-porous southern (and northern) border. Then, there's the idea of forming American Foreign Legions too along the lines of the French model, I could support.
(Then again, I'd like to see legalized drugs --- I wouldn't use myself as there is no attraction there for me, but better to regulate and tax drugs and offer treatment programs than continue to support a failed war on drugs and associated crimes and burgeoning prison system with my tax dollars. OD's are just Darwinism in action).
Now......where did I put that asbestos suit from my "reeky.moto" days...... i may need it.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
And that landscaping company would probably go out of business if it had to pay $12 or $13 an hour.
The federal program you mentioned is one of the ways that can be used to curb illegal immigration but I guess that's not as fun as talking all macho about blowing up and killing people of which the majority are just looking to better themselves and their families.
ack-ack
Sems to me they used to use teenage kids in the old days.
Now adults have even taken over paper routes.
They can find labor here if they want to bad enough. And for less then $12 an hour too.
Talking Macho about killing people just looking for a better life?
I have absolutly no problem with anyone who comes here using a LEGAL means.
Hell I'd even go out of my way to help the ones here legally
BUT I have absolutely ZERO compassion for anyone comming here illegally reagardless the purity of their intent. None,nada,zip,zilch.
If they drown crossing the river,have a tunnel collapse on them, get roasted by the sun trying to trek across the desert.
Well. too bad,so sad. sucks to be them.
Dont do it illegally and you dont have that problem
Someone ask whats anyone doing?
Im doing my part. I've actually called immigration officials on those whom I known to be illegal. and have started turning in businesses whom I know to hire illegals.
Illegals and their employers have only a pure enemy in me
But all I can do is make the phone calls.
Our government hasnt issued any hunting permits yet for shooting illegals so Im guessing they would frown upon the activity of shooting wetbacks out of season.
So I cant do that.
But if ever comes the day....
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Ummm...doesn't this:
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Did you ever stop to think that maybe the work that these people doing isn't worth the "Living Wage"? And that we shouldn't force the businesses to pay for their services more then they are worth?
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Sorta contradict this?
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origanally posted by lazersailor184
I'm not the one who should determine what jobs are worth. Neither are you.
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Now, we could Hijack the thread and argue wether or not farm, landscape and foodservice industry workers are underpaid or not all day long. However, I follow you on the issue of Illegal immigration undermining our economy. The real problem is, you have the U.S. Government that does little to nothing about it(Big business lobbying takes a part in that,) And the Mexican government activally encourages and supports it. The solution to Illegal immigration lies not so much in trying to liquidate anyone who crosses the border...You have to go deeper and get at the root of the problem. That will ultimately mean forcibly changing the Mexican government and economy to be more compliant with the needs of it's people. How that's done, whether a Military coup, uprising of the Mexican people, or Direct U.S. intervention(I'm leaving out elections because they're more corrupt than even the worst U.S. Gov't nightmare) It will have to incorporate a radical change in per household income in Mexico. We are just gonna have to make Mexico a place worth staying, so they'll quit coming up here.
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Originally posted by john9001
the starting wage at lowes/home depot is $8.50 per hour, i see lots of americans working there.
exactly
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
exactly
8.50 you say, lol
https://careers.homedepot.com/cg/content.do?p=benefits
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This
"A new study by the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector found a household headed by an individual without a high school education, including about two-thirds of illegal aliens, costs U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year.
Over the course of the household's lifetime that tax burden translates to $1.1 million"
Is taken from a different website. but is basically a summary of this
Study done by
The Heritage FoundationThe Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer
by Robert E. Rector, Christine Kim and Shanea Watkins, Ph.D. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/sr12.cfm)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
This
"A new study by the Heritage Foundation's Robert Rector found a household headed by an individual without a high school education, including about two-thirds of illegal aliens, costs U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits. That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax burden of $22,449 each year.
Over the course of the household's lifetime that tax burden translates to $1.1 million"
Is taken from a different website. but is basically a summary of this
Study done by
The Heritage FoundationThe Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Households to the U.S. Taxpayer
by Robert E. Rector, Christine Kim and Shanea Watkins, Ph.D. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/sr12.cfm)
manipulation?
there is no single word about illegal aliens in this document, can you point me out where this studies point that?
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Originally posted by ramzey
8.50 you say, lol
https://careers.homedepot.com/cg/content.do?p=benefits
somehow I think you miss the point.
There are all sorts of jobs (without bennies)you see americans working that do not pay 12-13 per hour
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like? and exactly where?
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Originally posted by ramzey
manipulation?
there is no single word about illegal aliens in this document, can you point me out where this studies point that?
I may have looked at the wrong study. I knew a recetn study had been done But was not sure by whom
in any event
Not "illegal"per sey but
"Changes to immigration policy could have a much larger effect on the fiscal deficits generated by low-skill fam_ilies. Policies which would substantially increase the inflow of low-skill immigrant workers receiving services would dramatically increase the fiscal deficits described in this paper and impose substantial costs on U.S. taxpayers"
and from the same site
"The cost of this illegal activity is almost impossible to nail down, but it’s estimated at around $45 billion a year, and we know that that’s mostly in education, in incarcerating criminals, and health services"
http://www.heritage.org/Research/GovernmentReform/hl924.cfm
And ok from a study by another group
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html
Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the study.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I may have looked at the wrong study. I knew a recetn study had been done But was not sure by whom
in any event
Not "illegal"per sey but
"Changes to immigration policy could have a much larger effect on the fiscal deficits generated by low-skill fam_ilies. Policies which would substantially increase the inflow of low-skill immigrant workers receiving services would dramatically increase the fiscal deficits described in this paper and impose substantial costs on U.S. taxpayers"
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so you made thats up, cuz numbers are scary to look at? its called manipulation of evidence (some can call that lie)
also, quote you put above its about what could happen if future immigration if llaw change. Thats don't include different approach to those new who like to work for better future and those who are just too lazy to move their bellybutton and work. Its base on prediction new emigration don't like to improve their social situation as those who receive those gov benefits now.
and from the same site
"The cost of this illegal activity is almost impossible to nail down, but it’s estimated at around $45 billion a year, and we know that that’s mostly in education, in incarcerating criminals, and health services"
http://www.heritage.org/Research/GovernmentReform/hl924.cfm
lol, cost of illegal activity, what kind of illegal activity?
look at thos form other side, all those teachers, nurses, policeman, border patrols guys, doctors, land lords,farmers, construction contractors..... earn their income cuz of those illegal activities.
Otherwise most of them have to be on welfer or food stamps.
witch could be more costly then those illegal activities
And ok from a study by another group
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug25.html
Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the study.
I hope you are not blind to recognize this one was made up based on the same report you quoted as first, but in place of low income families, someone put illegal alliens.
another manipulation to put more gasoline to the fire
If they are illegal, thy don't pay taxes at all , cuz they are illegal, so how come they can pay taxes????? and receive benefits?
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Originally posted by ramzey
like? and exactly where?
Most retail. Cabela's, Coldwater Creek and many others.
Most start people at either seasonal or part time rates which are about $8.50.
Check out Cabela's. Almost exclusively white American men and women.
Two off the top of my head.
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and reason for that is cuz they don't like to move and work in other place
someone with permanent residency, SSN number have unlimited number of choices
not cuz there is no jobs in US where you have to sweet for more then 8,50 /hour
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Most call centers start agents at 8$/h around my area. Most retail is an minimum wage or close to start.
But that is all indoor work.
Outside with backbreaking work people expect more money. White guys working lawn and spraying crews make around 11-14 here. A worthless job is all in perception.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'm not the one who should determine what jobs are worth. Neither are you.
The market determines that.
I did have a post written that would have pre-empted your comment, however I didn't like how it was worded and chose not to post it.
By the huge influx of illegal workers, and because more come in every day, the cause of their low wage is themselves.
Out of everyone in America who is truly earning what they should get paid, it is the illegal workers. There are a lot of illegal migrant workers, and since the laws don't apply to them, they truly work for how much supply and demand dictates that they should work for, and not some minimum wage law.
They are screwing themselves. And you want me to feel sympathetic for them?
If we were to kick all of the illegals out. And I mean kick them all out under threat of death if they were to return illegally, then there would be a much smaller work force of the actual unemployed legal americans. The business men (due to the laws of supply and demand) would be forced to pay more to attract people to the jobs that the illegals had.
Then the unemployed would have money, they would spend it, and everything would be better.
You know anything about economics? Since the businesses would have to pay a higher wage, they'd have to recoup those losses to make a profit or at least break even and stay in business. How do you think they'd recoup those losses? They'd increase the price of their product and then the consumer will start to cry about having to pay $6 for a head of lettace.
This is one of the reasons why businesses are rarely gone after for hiring illegal aliens.
ack-ack
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Looks like a great place to test cluster munitions and nepalm... at the same time.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You know anything about economics? Since the businesses would have to pay a higher wage, they'd have to recoup those losses to make a profit or at least break even and stay in business. How do you think they'd recoup those losses? They'd increase the price of their product and then the consumer will start to cry about having to pay $6 for a head of lettace.
This is one of the reasons why businesses are rarely gone after for hiring illegal aliens.
ack-ack
I know a lot about economics. Sure, lettuce would go up to 6 dollars a head. But some one out there would figure out a way to expedite the process, and make himself a billion dollars. And lettuce is back to whatever it was.
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nope, they will import from china and hurt US economics even more
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lettuce will not go up to 6 dollars a head, at most it will go up 10 or 15 cents per head. which will destroy the american economy and bring about a world wide recession.
:O
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always complaining about the illegals, but you guys reall yshould look at the root cause of your problem...
i think THIS GUY (http://www.livevideo.com/video/7354368584084FA5933AC90D50BED516/how-many-mexicans-can-fit-into.aspx) might be a major contributor.
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Originally posted by ramzey
so you made thats up, cuz numbers are scary to look at? its called manipulation of evidence (some can call that lie)
also, quote you put above its about what could happen if future immigration if llaw change. Thats don't include different approach to those new who like to work for better future and those who are just too lazy to move their bellybutton and work. Its base on prediction new emigration don't like to improve their social situation as those who receive those gov benefits now.
lol, cost of illegal activity, what kind of illegal activity?
look at thos form other side, all those teachers, nurses, policeman, border patrols guys, doctors, land lords,farmers, construction contractors..... earn their income cuz of those illegal activities.
Otherwise most of them have to be on welfer or food stamps.
witch could be more costly then those illegal activities
I hope you are not blind to recognize this one was made up based on the same report you quoted as first, but in place of low income families, someone put illegal alliens.
another manipulation to put more gasoline to the fire
If they are illegal, thy don't pay taxes at all , cuz they are illegal, so how come they can pay taxes????? and receive benefits? [/B]
didnt realise the "Center for Immigration Studies" and "the Heritage Foundation" were the same thing.
Irreguardless. it is safe to assume that the vast majority of illegals are not very educated. Thus they would certainly fall into the "uneducated" catagory
increasingly crime is becomming a major factor in illegals
Just because they are illegal doent mean they dont pay taxes.
In fact one of the ways they get in is through phoney documents SS cards
and Drivers licences and the like. So many of them do pay taxes BUT they also manage to finagle themselves into the welfare systems and take advantage of our Health care system.
While they are paying into the system. what they put in does not cover what they take out
And even if you take our own LEGAL poor into account.
We have enough problems taking care of our own poor without having to worry about taking care of people who DO NOT LEGALLY BELONG HERE as well.
they only further burdon the sytem
I dont buy this load of crap that these (insert vocation here) need the illegals. Thats a load of crap.
They need illegals to operate businessess dishonestly and illegally.
what they do is n the case of landscapers for example. Deal in a cash basis.
They pay the illegals a low wage and only report about half of what they make. often less.
Dont kid yourself into thinking they are charging the customer less because of illegals.
thats a crock too.
I see this garbage damn near every day
Get rid of the illegal workforce and nothing will change but the amount of profit the contractor is able to pocket because he wont be able to charge any more then what people doing business legally are charging
Im a contractor myself and I keep my hand on the pulse of what people are charging so I can adjust my prices accordingly.
Dont think for a minute that most of these guy with illegals are charging much if anything less then those of us doing business legally are. They arent. On average its about the same.
Yea some may be alot cheaper. But those are usually the inexperienced and unlicensed (and thus also uninsured) So they are illegal businessess all the way around
I do not hire illegals or anyone I even suspect of being illegal. (I will hoever politely take your name,address and phone number and turn you in)
There are people willing to do the work for what I want to pay. Which can often be less then $10 per hour or as high as $16 depending on what Im having them do and what their capabilities are
In the summer Teenagers and college students work out just fine. The ones that dont I get rid of and replace with another.
I dont have to worry or feel bad about laying them off at the end of the season or if things get slow.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
always complaining about the illegals, but you guys reall yshould look at the root cause of your problem...
i think THIS GUY (http://www.livevideo.com/video/7354368584084FA5933AC90D50BED516/how-many-mexicans-can-fit-into.aspx) might be a major contributor.
what does Jack Benny have to do with illegals?
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You know anything about economics? Since the businesses would have to pay a higher wage, they'd have to recoup those losses to make a profit or at least break even and stay in business. How do you think they'd recoup those losses? They'd increase the price of their product and then the consumer will start to cry about having to pay $6 for a head of lettace.
This is one of the reasons why businesses are rarely gone after for hiring illegal aliens.
ack-ack
No. he still woudnt be able to sell it for any more then what the legally run businesses are selling it for.
Not EVERYONE hires illegals
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Honestly. I don't care about illegals. I'm sure there is a ton of sob storys to be told, but after watching these million man idiot marches over the past year, and seeing how they act and their complete disregard for this country, its people and it's culture, I just dont care about them. And I dont feel bad about it either.
I mean, WTF! This would be like me sneaking into Germany, or China and demanding citizenship. I really hate illegal aliens. It really is a shame the minute men cant shoot them.
America has gone so far down the drain lately. Nothing is unifying. We have Italians. Blacks....French. But no one ever says American. So ya know what? Let these dirty illegals in then. If no one else wants to be American, then why should I care
ugh
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269534,00.html
Bing! NED RYERSON!
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"We are not criminals," said Roberto Organo, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who said he has lived in the U.S. for 15 years. "We are looking for work to support our families. It's OK for government to enforce the law but they have to give us a chance."
Please tell me why this man will wake up tomorrow and go about his daily routine just like he does every single day, and continue to do so until the dies,
yet if the quote were
"Robert Jones, Committed Tax Fraud and has been hiding from the IRS from 15 years"............................. ..... well...you know what would happen
pathetic
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Somebody refresh my memory. What societies with an above average standard of living stayed that way for a long time while having completely open borders, allowing unhindered immigration?
There must be a long list, right?
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Originally posted by LancerVT
yes... the B1B LANCER
should have a couple of these take care of the immigration problem
(http://www.luddster.com/speed/b1b-1.jpg)
sexy
That or a bunch of Koreans with pistols.
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Originally posted by L'EMMERDEUR
That or a bunch of Koreans with pistols.
They are for riot control.
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Originally posted by cav58d
"We are not criminals," said Roberto Organo, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who said he has lived in the U.S. for 15 years. "We are looking for work to support our families. It's OK for government to enforce the law but they have to give us a chance."
Hmmm Lessee Roberto.
Isnt someone who knowingly,willingly,and wantonly breaks the law pretty much by definition a "criminal"?
Gues what. your a CRIMINAL
Nooo. if your breaking our laws, the government doesnt have to give you a chance.
In fac they shouldnt be giving you anything but a boot across the border
Im sure there are alot of people who commit all sorts of crimes just to support their families.
They dont get a chance either