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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: harry1 on May 01, 2007, 05:04:12 PM
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Watched a dude do several immelmans in lancasters (1k) above ground, then precision bomb gv targets -----Without losing a single drone.
Wish I had filmed it. Amazing, however I do not believe this should be able to be done --- in a single bomber let alone a 3 bomber formation.
Didnt really rattle me at first, actually sent a for the move. Later in same arena watched one of his squaddies do the same thing in B24. '
Something just doesnt seem right here == in an aviation sort of way.
Anyone else able to do this, I attempted it several times and cant flip a single bomber fom that alt, let alone keep the formation together.
Amazing skills I guess.
Hope to film it soon.
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gaming the game.
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I can do it 100% load, minus the precision bombing. and keep drones. will post film soon.
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Originally posted by toadkill
I can do it 100% load, minus the precision bombing. and keep drones. will post film soon.
Point is. You shouldnt be able to.
ESPECIALLY with live bombs on board
the ability to do things like that. and even more frequenlty dive bomb in heavy bombers is beyond the point of absurdity.
Just because it was done once or twice during the war doesnt mean it sould be allowes.
If your going to permit that. Then you should also be able to KAMAKAZI planes into a CV and the support ships and do damage which was a much much more common occurance
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Just sayin I cant turn left after a bombing pass to reaquire a target without losin a drone, and then rarely hit anything.
And Ive been here since 2001 flyin em all.
The guy that did this has 24 kills in 184 sorties in a fighter this month, thinkin he aint really too good at flyin but able to pull thiss off twice ,,,,, while bein shot at
Weird if u ask me
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Turning without losing the drones is easy.
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Originally posted by harry1
Just sayin I cant turn left after a bombing pass to reaquire a target without losin a drone, and then rarely hit anything.
And Ive been here since 2001 flyin em all.
The guy that did this has 24 kills in 184 sorties in a fighter this month, thinkin he aint really too good at flyin but able to pull thiss off twice ,,,,, while bein shot at
Weird if u ask me
Well since he sucks at everything else in the game, he's had time to perfect this. It was unchallenging. The only reason he sucks in fighters is because he chose the path of least resistance and went this route. If he took the time like he did to be able to do this, he'd probably be a decent stick.
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Originally posted by harry1
Watched a dude do several immelmans in lancasters (1k) above ground, then precision bomb gv targets -----Without losing a single drone.
Wish I had filmed it. Amazing, however I do not believe this should be able to be done --- in a single bomber let alone a 3 bomber formation.
Didnt really rattle me at first, actually sent a for the move. Later in same arena watched one of his squaddies do the same thing in B24. '
Something just doesnt seem right here == in an aviation sort of way.
Anyone else able to do this, I attempted it several times and cant flip a single bomber fom that alt, let alone keep the formation together.
Amazing skills I guess.
Hope to film it soon.
So. Should make an easier target for you. What kind of advantage is a bomber getting by doing this?
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I been seeing a lot of that . If you are in a plane no worry. Now if your in a gv hang it up. There is no need for fighter bombers. Learn the trick and carry 5 times as much malice that any jabo can. I watched a Lanc loop with drones a few days ago. I was amazed. They usually don't last long at least. BTW a8's in the area seem to curb the Buff acrobatics .
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Don't think the Lanc could do an Immelmann, but fully laden it could to a tight "corkscrew" manuever that twisted the bomber through a 360 degree turn, first spinning down and then up back on to the original course. It was apparently used with some success to shake night fighters.
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Alex Henshaw barrel rolled a Lancaster ;)
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It's a game, not a simulation.
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Its not that hard. So long as you can keep everything smooth, Ill gladly post film of myself doing it. While it shouldnt be possible, structure is taken into account at least SOMEWHAT, so other than the fact that the pilot is crapping himself, obviously the maneuver isnt TOO tough, at least not for this cartoon picture.
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I don't know about the current FM, but back in the day in AH 1 almost anyone could take a b17 / lanc and "out-loop" most all planes without losing anything.
with all the guys doing the turn radius stuff I'd be REALLY curious for the loop data. Minimum speed to perform a full loop at lowest altitude (lowest altitude recorded based on sea level), alt lost on loop at 5K / 10K so on, including "continuous loop" if possible and minimum altitude for said planes.
BTW here's me drunk as heck just messing around, doing a immelmann in a lanc with a full bomb load, and trying a second...
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1178093074_lancimmel.zip
notice I entered the whole thing at the lowest speed to maintain flight.... imagine someone with more speed and control than a drunk man.
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Just barrel rolled an Fw-190 and an Me-262 in a Lancaster. Got it on film. Where should I host the AHF file?
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Originally posted by Serenity
Just barrel rolled an Fw-190 and an Me-262 in a Lancaster. Got it on film. Where should I host the AHF file?
Hahaha
I was going to mention that when I saw this thread.
I'd never seen this sort of Lanc maneuvering before until Overlag nearly barrel-rolled his last Lanc into my 262.
I have that on film. I'm pretty sure my nose was less than 200 away from his tail assembly.
That was definately the most fun I've had in a 262 in ages.
3 sector chase to find them, 4 or 5 sector chase back trying to pick off two flights of lancs.
Awesome fight guys
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Ok, this is the Lanc ACM action at 20k
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/262VLanc.jpg)
It would really suck to be the crew in one of those things.... bones would be broken, I suspect.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/262VLanc3.jpg)
Luckily for me, I went up and over after the near-collision and came back down with a front-to-back centreline shot as he came back up.
Again, exceptional flying, gents
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lost one drone because i was in a hurry, and let the thing slip to the side in the top of the immel, but its quite possible ingame to do it.
Immel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUDgrfCZ87o)
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must un-natural!
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Originally posted by harry1
Just sayin I cant turn left after a bombing pass to reaquire a target without losin a drone, and then rarely hit anything.
You must be flying from the cockpit.
Try going to the chin gun position then hit F3, after putting your bomber on auto-pilot. You can steer your plane (and the drones) with the rudder. Stick movement just moves your outside view of the formation.
Almost impossible to lose drones flying like this...you can get pretty aggressive with the rudder without the drones losing formation.
Helps ALOT with bombing too. You have a great view of the target and can use small amounts of rudder to line up on your target. When you are comfortable that you are lined up properly jump into the F6 bombsight position.
It also makes formation flying with other bombers a breeze.
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It's a game of the simulation genre.
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Hahaha
I was going to mention that when I saw this thread.
I'd never seen this sort of Lanc maneuvering before until Overlag nearly barrel-rolled his last Lanc into my 262.
I have that on film. I'm pretty sure my nose was less than 200 away from his tail assembly.
That was definately the most fun I've had in a 262 in ages.
3 sector chase to find them, 4 or 5 sector chase back trying to pick off two flights of lancs.
Awesome fight guys
Thanks! We're bomber nerds, surprising people like that is the only real action we get ;)
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Hahaha
I was going to mention that when I saw this thread.
I'd never seen this sort of Lanc maneuvering before until Overlag nearly barrel-rolled his last Lanc into my 262.
I have that on film. I'm pretty sure my nose was less than 200 away from his tail assembly.
That was definately the most fun I've had in a 262 in ages.
3 sector chase to find them, 4 or 5 sector chase back trying to pick off two flights of lancs.
Awesome fight guys
Originally posted by Xasthur
Ok, this is the Lanc ACM action at 20k
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/262VLanc.jpg)
It would really suck to be the crew in one of those things.... bones would be broken, I suspect.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/262VLanc3.jpg)
Luckily for me, I went up and over after the near-collision and came back down with a front-to-back centreline shot as he came back up.
Again, exceptional flying, gents
!!!!;)
Id never do that with bombs, and its last resort. The rolls should have been downward to keep E but for some reason i was doing them up down everyway i could to make it harder to aim.
I just couldnt get any hits on you, or the 190 that chased me on a sortie after that run... was really annoying lol.
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:D
I think you got a few on me, but luckily I landed the 262 with just cosmetic damage.
If you had have gone down, I'd have stayed up to try finish Serenity's Lancs, so you might have made it home! A squadie was already on the way, trying to catch up in an A5 so you probably would have run into him on your way home.
It was a good run, it sort of felt like I was defending the Fatherland from deep strat bombing! haha
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Originally posted by SuperDud
gaming the game.
lancasters DID do corkscrews etc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/43/a4365443.shtml
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Originally posted by Anyone
lancasters DID do corkscrews etc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/43/a4365443.shtml
Read the original post, that's what I'm responding to. Did they do an immel and then dive bomb?
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I've seen Nath loop and hammerhead with an entire formation of 17s. I've seen stang barrel roll 17s without losing drones, and his hammerhead is okay, he's just a little clumsy with the throttle (stupid mousewielder).
But who says buffs are EZmode or unrealistic?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Read the original post, that's what I'm responding to. Did they do an immel and then dive bomb?
true... sorry. :aok
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Originally posted by Xasthur
:D
I think you got a few on me, but luckily I landed the 262 with just cosmetic damage.
If you had have gone down, I'd have stayed up to try finish Serenity's Lancs, so you might have made it home! A squadie was already on the way, trying to catch up in an A5 so you probably would have run into him on your way home.
It was a good run, it sort of felt like I was defending the Fatherland from deep strat bombing! haha
Yeah your buddy caught up to me :(
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:D
After that epic journey in an A5, I'd say he deserved it.
He was down to 4 mins fuel by the time he finished you off.
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Originally posted by Mak333
It's a game, not a simulation.
the FM should be (and for the most part, is) simulation quality, regardless of what happens in the rest of the game.
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It would really suck to be the crew in one of those things.... bones would be broken, I suspect.
Not really. The planes can be inverted, and while rolling, still have a positive g vector relative to the pilot. It would not be like the dash-cam footage of the guy rolling the car while not wearing a seatbelt.
Also, those big bomber wings have a low wing loading allowing more maneuverability than one would expect.
I do know that B-52's, after they drop, can turn inside a F-15 at altitude. This frustruates the fighter jocks to no end.
While I know that this is not directly applicable to our WWII craft, it does illustrate the point.
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Not really hard to do.... with practice. 24s work pretty well also.