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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mietla on May 02, 2007, 12:19:57 PM
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For a while now you are staunchly defending USSR and Joe Stalin in particular. I though I might ask you this:
What went wrong?
Why in your opinion socialism is crumbling everywhere it has been tried. Different countries, different peoples, different cultures, doe not matter. It alway inevitable leads to a total destruction of the society, millions tortured and killed citizens (not only the political opponents but mostly innocent people arrested, tortured and killed just to keep the rest in fear and terror).
In all cases all the nations resources are suqandered and the system last only as long as someone else pumps money into it.
Tell me how socialism can be sustained (even assumming that terror is an available option). How to make it work?
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I am tuning into this one!
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
I am tuning into this one!
this thread is not free. You have to buy a ticket by contributing.
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Originally posted by mietla
this thread is not free. You have to buy a ticket by contributing.
After all, straw is expensive.
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Originally posted by mietla
Why in your opinion socialism is crumbling everywhere it has been tried. Different countries, different peoples, different cultures, doe not matter. It alway inevitable leads to a total destruction of the society, millions tortured and killed citizens (not only the political opponents but mostly innocent people arrested, tortured and killed just to keep the rest in fear and terror).
In all cases all the nations resources are suqandered and the system last only as long as someone else pumps money into it.
Tell me how socialism can be sustained (even assumming that terror is an available option). How to make it work?
On what planet do you find your information?
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Mietla, Soviet Socialism did one thing that justifies it's existance, and Soviet people literally broke their backs to achieve it.
Two World Wars showed that we need to mobilise all possible resources to survive. After WWII we had to spend over half of GNP on defense, or we could get burnt in a matter of hours after someone decided that we can't strike back.
A country that got completely destroyed 2 times in last 100 years, got cut and divided, won a most horrible war - and then 12 years later went into space.
Problem is that we are naturally ineffective, climate and distances, "region of risky agriculture". We had the last mass-starvation in 1947 here... I mean - we are only 60 years away from mass hunger.
The very existance of Russian nation is a miracle.
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Trouble is, most socialists believe that communism, a very close cousin, only fails because the wrong people have tried it.
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The NFL seems to be doing well
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Originally posted by Boroda
Mietla, Soviet Socialism did one thing that justifies it's existance, and Soviet people literally broke their backs to achieve it....
The very existance of Russian nation is a miracle.
But .... the Russian nation exists... because... the Soviet Union failed...
So... failure = success.
I need to take a couple aspirin....
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
But .... the Russian nation exists... because... the Soviet Union failed...
So... failure = success.
I need to take a couple aspirin....
Russian nation exists because USSR succeeded. Fortunately the rumours of our death were seriously exaggerated.
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There are still nazis, so it only stands to reason that we have communists to counter the nazi threat. We just need to keep old Joe on our side of the fence.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Russian nation exists because USSR succeeded. Fortunately the rumours of our death were seriously exaggerated.
So... Gorbachev was actually a great leader that.... I still don't understand... my map of the world shows no USSR but 15 seperate republics.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Trouble is, most socialists believe that communism, a very close cousin, only fails because the wrong people have tried it.
close cousin? :rofl
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So... Gorbachev was actually a great leader that.... I still don't understand... my map of the world shows no USSR but 15 seperate republics.
USSR was strong enough to prevent total genocide of Russian nation.
US plans of nuclear attack supposed killing about 10% of Soviet population during the first week of hostilities for purely terroristic purposes.... Mostly Russian people in population centers.
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Originally posted by Boroda
US plans of nuclear attack supposed killing about 10% of Soviet population during the first week of hostilities for purely terroristic purposes.... Mostly Russian people in population centers.
..and then we hear how Soviet leaders were gracious enough to only target the Mojave desert with their nukes.
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If it was so great then why did you need to build fences and walls with armed guards to keep people in?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If it was so great then why did you need to build fences and walls with armed guards to keep people in?
lazs
I think we need to let mexico become communist then.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Trouble is, most socialists believe that communism, a very close cousin, only fails because the wrong people have tried it.
I thought the only difference between a socialist and a communist is that socialist can vote.
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Originally posted by Boroda
A country that got completely destroyed 2 times in last 100 years, got cut and divided
How about Germany, France, or Japan?
They got pummeled into rubble and got rebuilt better than before, and are now economic powerhouses.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Problem is that we are naturally ineffective, climate and distances, "region of risky agriculture". We had the last mass-starvation in 1947 here... I mean - we are only 60 years away from mass hunger.
Speaking of mass starvations... What exactly did they teach you about the Great Famine in Ukraine?
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Scaninavian countries are the perfect example of sustainable socialism. They're all happy :)
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The thing with all these utopian ideals, like Democracy, Socialism, Communism is that they can all work on a SMALL SCALE if the inhabitants so choose to follow them.
By small scale, I mean a smaller town at largest. One where you could walk in to any town and immediately know 80% of the people there.
But as the population gets bigger, so do the chances of screwing someone out of something.
Like take for example America, let's say a complete abortion ban was passed onto the constitution. The difference between screwing 150 million people out of the ability to choose to have an abortion could be 1 vote.
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What about all the mexicans illegally in our democracy demanding legal rights?
Whats that say about our system?
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That we need to grow a pair of balls?
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You do understand that the US was as afraid of you nukin us as you were of us nukin you?
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If I recall, Marxism was based on an evolution...
Industrialism---Capitalism----Socialism----Communism
Problem is they skipped a few important steps along the way.