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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CFYA on May 03, 2007, 08:33:14 PM
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Did HT change the policy on NO Nazi symbols on skins?
Ryan
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Is there a skin you are referring to?
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no
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Doubt it.
What's the issue? You're not looking at the blue Finnish one are you?
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Originally posted by Scherf
Doubt it.
What's the issue? You're not looking at the blue Finnish one are you?
That was my guess too...
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FAF/MT-222 by Kantori..........was wondering what was up there?
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Blue Swastika was the symbol of the Finnish Air Force before the National Socialist German Workers Party was even founded.
About as much to do with the Nazis as the Swastikas on Hindu temples.
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:aok Figured there was a good reason behind this.....I knew the colors where wrong. Not really up to speed on the Finnish AF;
Thanks
RYan
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No Prob.
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Not that i'm advocating changing the rules but:
What is the argument for no swastikas on skins? Why is it different to an RAF roundel or US star and stripes. If it was historically on the plane, shouldnt it be recreated here? Im assuming because people don't want to be thought of as a Nazi because they fly a german plane in a flight sim..?
Like i said, i'm not saying we should put them on, just wondering the official reason.
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Originally posted by brucerer
Not that i'm advocating changing the rules but:
What is the argument for no swastikas on skins? Why is it different to an RAF roundel or US star and stripes. If it was historically on the plane, shouldnt it be recreated here? Im assuming because people don't want to be thought of as a Nazi because they fly a german plane in a flight sim..?
Like i said, i'm not saying we should put them on, just wondering the official reason.
I had the same question. As it was explained to me, certain countried have made it illegal to posses anything with a swastika, so if someone in that country was playing this game, they could be arrested because of that cartoon swastika.
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The Honourable Finnish Swastika (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/honorable_swastika/)
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Originally posted by Serenity
I had the same question. As it was explained to me, certain countried have made it illegal to posses anything with a swastika, so if someone in that country was playing this game, they could be arrested because of that cartoon swastika.
It's a crime in Germany.
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Don't the bends go in the opposite direction on the Finnish swastika?
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The color and angle are different. And ideology behind it. :p
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be nice if schools actually taught history lessions properly and not just things that happened after 1970.Then maybe people wouldn't keep asking the same questions.
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Didn't know they still taught History in school, thought they changed that to the Happy Being Gay classes.
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Also some allied skiners try to sneak swishty on thier planes with the kill markings. The blue "swiashtys" are finnish symbols and german swiahtys are illegal in germany so since HTC wants people from all over the world to play AH they dont allow them in the game.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Didn't know they still taught History in school, thought they changed that to the Happy Being Gay classes.
lol
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Originally posted by Xargos
Didn't know they still taught History in school, thought they changed that to the Happy Being Gay classes.
Dang, that was harsh. Oh, I see you live in Ladson, nevermind. ;)
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:p
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Are a lot of the muppets in SC? I think I've seen killnu say he was in Goose Creek?
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Yep, He's training to be a Bubblehead at the Weapons Station. He'll be going back to Kalifornia in 4 or 5 months.
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All,
In the early 1900’s the Swastika was a symbol (Buddest? I’m not sure) of good luck. If you go to the National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC and look at the prop spinner on display from the Spirit of St Louis, You can see on the inside a Swastika and everyone’s name who worked on the aircraft. It and there signatures were there for good luck
Just thought it was interesting.
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<---almost failed first grade for not coloring in lines. history may be on another level
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If you want to read about the history of the swastika, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
It is a traditional Hindu symbol for good luck and is still used widely in India. The Nazis appropriated and perverted it so that it still stands (and probably will forever) for a symbol of hatred and evil in the west.
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Rogerdee,
Since when did they teach the Finnish Airforce markings in basic high school history? How dare you come knock me over a simple question. Thats like asking what the base measurements are on The Great Pyramid. It is absurd to think a simple question will codemn you to never attending history lessons.
Flame away,
Ryan
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It's also a native american symbol. One (or several) of the local tribes put up a cultural center and on the facade they had a row of swastikas in the decoration. The local jews freaked.
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it was also the squad insg. for a US fighter squad (dont know witch one) untill 1939...
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The swastika was also a symbol for the 45th Infantry Division before WW2 started. They changed it in 1939 to a Native American gold bird which the division got its nickname the "Thunderbird."
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Originally posted by brucerer
What is the argument for no swastikas on skins? Why is it different to an RAF roundel or US star and stripes.
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i know im late in here but i thought i'd mention something. the roundels and the star n' bar are the equivalent of the maltese cross, if thats what they still called the black cross on our 109s and 190s wing and fuse.
the swastiwhatsit was a seperate emblem, and not really for the purpose of identification as were the roundels, stars and crosses, etc.
i think.
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Originally posted by brucerer
Not that i'm advocating changing the rules but:
What is the argument for no swastikas on skins? Why is it different to an RAF roundel or US star and stripes. If it was historically on the plane, shouldnt it be recreated here? Im assuming because people don't want to be thought of as a Nazi because they fly a german plane in a flight sim..?
Like i said, i'm not saying we should put them on, just wondering the official reason.
AFAIK:
In Germany, the display of the swastika in the context of a Nazi symbol is illegal and subject to punishment under that country's anti neo-Nazi laws. This applies to software, including many games that are sold in Germany. HTC has customers in that country and do not wish to break the law.
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Originally posted by CFYA
Rogerdee,
Since when did they teach the Finnish Airforce markings in basic high school history? How dare you come knock me over a simple question. Thats like asking what the base measurements are on The Great Pyramid. It is absurd to think a simple question will codemn you to never attending history lessons.
Flame away,
Ryan
It looked to me like Rogerdee was condemning the sad state of our public school system, not you.
Of course, one could argue that "Finn vs Nazi Swastika distinctions" are a bit obscure for the average school anyway, thus the slam is rather gratuitous . . . but it is SO MUCH FUN to slam them regardless. ;)
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One would think.....E25280
I will relent to the fact that our nations education system is lagging far behind other nations, namely Japan. Where there are no significant breaks and usually attend 10 to 12 hours of school a day. One day the public and officials will also (hopefully) realize the sad state of affairs.
Coming for your....
Ryan
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I thought that rogerdee's comment was kind of stupid and gratuitous but, hey everyone's got an opinion :)
Seriously... Finnish Air Force WWII markings? That's kind of obscure. I'd rather kids learned about the Holocaust and Hitler, but apparently SOME schools over yonder in rogerdee's jolly old England don't even teach that, due to the festering disease that is multiculturalism, and spineless acquiescence to anti-Semitism.
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On an educational note.....
I would hope that one would not knock the willingness and eagerness of the teaching community. More so condemn the officials that deprived them of the proper tools and time to utilize said tools!:furious
(Not to mention the lack a parents who instill a greater purpose in there children.):(
Coming for your ....
Ryan
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Originally posted by scottydawg
If you want to read about the history of the swastika, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
It is a traditional Hindu symbol for good luck and is still used widely in India. The Nazis appropriated and perverted it so that it still stands (and probably will forever) for a symbol of hatred and evil in the west.
I stay at an extended stay hotel and the owners are Hindu. They just purchased two new cars, and to "bless" them they painted swastika's on the hoods.
Now, I understand that the symbol means something diff. to them, but I did sit down and let them know what people would THINK it meant here in the U.S.
Needless to say they washed it off, and put a diff. blessing symbol there. (I actually had to explain WW2 history to them, and who Adolf Hitler was. They had no idea. I was floored)
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The swastika is a 3,000 year old symbol representing god the sun or power,it had for most of those 3,000 years been a positive symbol often used as a goodluck symbol, as on some world war one aircraft.When the Nazi party was formed they wanted a Symbol for their party as strong as the Soviet Red star,they chose the Swastika because of it's Indian, therefore Aryan origins.The Swastika is now synomynous with evil, thanks to the Nazis,but it has only been on the dark side for around 70 years,maybe it's time the light side stole it back,and return it's true and positive meaning.
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Originally posted by Bubbajj
It's also a native american symbol. One (or several) of the local tribes put up a cultural center and on the facade they had a row of swastikas in the decoration. The local jews freaked.
LOL I would have wanted to see that commotion. AH weyyy! The evil indians are after us next! :D
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Originally posted by WMLute
(I actually had to explain WW2 history to them, and who Adolf Hitler was. They had no idea. I was floored)
I simply can't believe that. I simply don't want to believe that.
Hazzer, what you say won't happen so easily. We're still "sons" of that war, and the evil that the swastika imply was so strong and is still so near in time, that, to western culture at least, the symbol won't get rid of it in the next decades. At least I hope so... what Lute said is terrible.
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Not that I can explain its history, but from what little i know of the swastica, it was around long long before the german war machine of ww2 was,...I think it was a symbol of good luck, from yrs and yrs and yrs ago. Please dont ask me to prove it though. "free advice is worth exactly what ya paid for it".
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why would u feel efended of the nazi symbol on a plane, its more relistic. what whould u replace it with a #%$@ smiley face.
p51srule:aok
#$@% happens
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Maybe you didn't read the thread, Jonny... it's not a matter of being offended (although someone may get offended), it's a matter of law: that symbol is prohibited in Germany and showing it, even in a computer game, it's a crime. Hence, HTC, having customers from all over the world, doesn't want it to be shown in any skin. The swastika in the Finnish skin has a totally different story and it's not prohibited, so our Finnish friends can show it in their skin. I hope it's clear, now.