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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: redman555 on May 07, 2007, 10:07:17 PM
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Ok so lately i have been flyin P-47 i think its ok but once i get somone on me im basicly screwed. does anyone have any tips for P-47D-14 besides have alt and speed?
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Try flying with the 6 gun package instead of 8 when you're in fighter mode.. Makes the wings alot lighter and still has a good punch..
Other than that.. Speed, Alt, and when in trouble, flaps flaps flaps... One of the best characteristics of the Jug is you can drop one notch of flaps at 300mph+.. If you keep dropping them into the turn and throw in some rudder, you can stop on a dime and force an overshoot much easier than in other planes.. But, once you've gotten yourself into that situation just hope you have friends.. :cool:
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Good info here.
http://www.savagesquadron.com/dicta.htm
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kk but what bout like the flaps. i do not see any guages or levers like in some planes so i cant tell were flaps are
Also do 47s turn better with/ or without flaps
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Jugs have 5 notches of flaps.. You just gotta count..
And yes absolutely positively Jugs turn better with flaps.. Learn to use them.. End of story.. :D
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Originally posted by redman555
kk but what bout like the flaps. i do not see any guages or levers like in some planes so i cant tell were flaps are
Flaps indicator can be found just by the gear indicator:
(In this pic you can see flaps being two notches down)
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2154/ahss180to0.jpg)
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whats a P47D-15?
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thanks lusche i nvr noticed that rofl, its so small i feel embarised
:rolleyes:
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Find Blukitty , Nomde , Frenchy , Hajo , BatfinkV , TrKid , Platano , YUCCA and any of the 56th FG and several others. Wanna learn the 47 , those would be my starting point. When you can hang with those folks for more than a couple of turns , and even get a CHANCE at a shot , you will be half as good as they are.
FLAPS FLAPS FLAPS....Throttle control, extremley good SA and the last thing is....you'll NEVER need to look for a fight. People see JUG they think easy kill.
Til its someone from above and they get whipped.
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Rudder also helps bleed the E when you are trying to force the overshoot.
Just be warned, you may only get one shot and won't be able to catch him as he runs / climbs away. Also, if there are any other bad guys about, you will have shot your bolt.
Regards,
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RedTop didn't say my name:( :cry :( :cry
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it's cuz u arent any good husky lol. now if someone was mentioning a lot of great spit piots and i did'nt get mentioned i would Take offence to that:mad:
:lol JK
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:furious
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lol bear heres a pillow for your ego lol ;)
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hehe I suck:D No really I do suck cant fly to save my life Dam ground keeps pwning me!:furious
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ive flown with you alot so ill brag for ya hes good in the jug whatch ur 6's
lol :aok
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ya some times when I hit the ground parts from my jug will fly up and hit you!
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lmao
i have the same issue with trees and them wanting to hug me
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"N" goes 25 knots faster (more or less, alas doesn't climb as well) than D40---I usually toodle around by myself, and that 25 knots is often the difference between life and death---Spit16's, nikis, etc are left in its wake. LA7's, K4's, however.....
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Originally posted by Husky01
whats a P47D-15?
I can only assume it was a replacement for the D14 he mentioned.:rolleyes:
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my bad i put P-47D-14, i ment P-47D-40 lol and thanks for all the tips guys:rolleyes:
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I used to fly the 47 Alot....
Still is one of my favorites
Its all about FLaps, throttle management, Get an angle, Get your shot, Dont Miss! :aok
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JensK is also a good person to ask. I used to be ok back in AH1 days, but after i put on my leather undies for the first time nothing but ze german planes work for me.
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Originally posted by xNOVAx
Try flying with the 6 gun package instead of 8 when you're in fighter mode.. Makes the wings alot lighter and still has a good punch..
Someone once mentioned 'if you fly the P-47 with 6 guns, you'd better fly the P-51 instead'
Has some truth in it, its large armament is probably one of the main characteristics people choose the P-47 for!
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P-47D-25 > P-47D-40
Imo dogfights a lot smoother.
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Originally posted by halcyon
P-47D-25 > P-47D-40
Imo dogfights a lot smoother.
THe difference is soo Minimal Someone that doesnt fly them regularly wouldnt notice....Its like the 38 J and L...difference is minimal but someone that flies em regularly would notice it.
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Originally posted by frank3
Someone once mentioned 'if you fly the P-47 with 6 guns, you'd better fly the P-51 instead'
Has some truth in it, its large armament is probably one of the main characteristics people choose the P-47 for!
Or you could fly a Hog, or a P40, or an F6F.. Etc etc.. Point being, if you want to fly the Jug, I like it with 6 .50's instead of 8.. Personal preference, but I find that when I go dog fighting in a Jug and take 8 .50's, I never use all the ammo and I'm less manuverable.. No point..
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Hell no, like I say all the time "If I wanted 6 50s, I'll get a P51".:furious
Those 8 50s rather than 6 might make the difference between a killshot or jug hitting the other guy in a snapshot. And in a P47 the longer the fight, the closer you are from the grave in an arena filled with Spit 16s and LA7s.
The 56th favor the D40 over the D25/D11 because of the 300HP WEP boost over the other models. The P47N is the fastest under WEP but is still plagued with a slow acceleration. Due to the weight increase, it's the worst dogfighter of the serie. The D11 is your best bet for dogfighting, it's the most nimble. I personally favor the D25 just because it comes with French markings.
Contrary to the popular "keep it fast" belief, I advise to "slow down as fast as u can". The jug will bleed the energy faster than any other plane, allowing you to cut inside the average spitodeath, providing your snapshot opportunity. The other strong point of the jug is the semi-eleptical wing that allows you to pull hard on the stick and not snapstall.
You can do a lot of fancy stuff with the jug, that might get you out of trouble, but know that against a decent pilot there's not much you can do against a faster/better turner like the MA usuall rides.
The main attribute of the jug aces in here is that they all have an excellent gunery, doted with a nose "700y cone of death".
Have fun bro :)
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Originally posted by Platano
THe difference is soo Minimal Someone that doesnt fly them regularly wouldnt notice....Its like the 38 J and L...difference is minimal but someone that flies em regularly would notice it.
Disagree. The WEP climb on the D40 makes it a much better plane.
Noticeable even to me.
- oldman
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P-47D-40 is great, i got 5 kills just today in it and landed.
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I was gonna quit AH till the N came out:aok (wish it had a green skin)
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Originally posted by frank3
Someone once mentioned 'if you fly the P-47 with 6 guns, you'd better fly the P-51 instead'
Has some truth in it, its large armament is probably one of the main characteristics people choose the P-47 for!
Everyone is completely missing the fact that the P47 is one of the most durable planes in the air.
Guarentee you a P47 can take more punishment than a P51, 6 50 cals or not in the wings.
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Originally posted by halcyon
Everyone is completely missing the fact that the P47 is one of the most durable planes in the air.
Guarentee you a P47 can take more punishment than a P51, 6 50 cals or not in the wings.
Hellcat and Hurricane probably take more damage. Odd, but seems to me to be true.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Hellcat and Hurricane probably take more damage. Odd, but seems to me to be true.
- oldman
I happen to agree..
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if you get someone on your 6, dump flaps, cut throttle, and go slooooow. make them overshoot, and try to blast them as they go by.
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Originally posted by wetrat
if you get someone on your 6, dump flaps, cut throttle, and go slooooow. make them overshoot, and try to blast them as they go by.
u 4got the part "dont miss"
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Hellcat and Hurricane probably take more damage. Odd, but seems to me to be true.
- oldman
Not trying to poke you in the eye oldman ... but I don't know why the "Hellcat" gets the "odd" moniker here ... it was infamous for it's durabilty in battle and bringing pilots back home that would otherwise have died or had to bail if in another plane (as was the F4F Wildcat).
Both were built by Grumman which, I am sure you know ...
"Grumman's products were considered so reliable and ruggedly built that the company was often referred to as the Grumman Iron Works."
Here is some more info ...
"Like the Wildcat, the Hellcat was designed for ease of manufacture and ability to withstand significant damage. A total of 212 lb (96 kg) of cockpit armor was fitted to aid pilot survival, as well as a bullet-resistant windshield and armor around the engine oil tank and oil cooler.[4] Self-sealing fuel tanks further reduced susceptibility to fire and often allowed damaged aircraft to return home."
The US Navy's all-time leading ace, Captain David McCampell USN (retired) scored all his victories in the Hellcat. He once described the F6F as "...an outstanding fighter plane. It performed well, was easy to fly and was a stable gun platform. But what I really remember most was that it was rugged and easy to maintain."
"Hellcats were involved in practically all engagements with Japanese air power from that point onward. Navy and Marine F6Fs flew 66,530 combat sorties (45% of all fighter sorties of the war, 62,386 sorties were flown from aircraft carriers) and destroyed 5,163 enemy aircraft (56% of all Naval/Marine air victories of the war) at a cost of 270 Hellcats (an overall kill-to-loss ratio of 19:1). The aircraft performed well against the best Japanese opponents with a 13:1 kill ratio against Mitsubishi A6M, 9.5:1 against Nakajima Ki-84, 28:0 against Kawanishi N1K-J, and 3.7:1 against Mitsubishi J2M during the last year of the war. In the ground attack role, Hellcats dropped 6,503 tons of bombs."
This being the most telling ... had it not been so durable IMHO, I don't think that some of these aces would have made home to become aces.
"The F6F became the prime ace-maker aircraft in the American inventory, with 306 Hellcat aces."
EDIT: Oh ... I prefer the -25 version. To me it feels almost as nimble as the -11 and has much better views. It eats 190 and 109 for breakfast.
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Just when I was starting to think I could get to love the jug....
you go and post all that about the Hellcat.
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well, the hellcat is a slow blue jug that takes off of carriers.
One of my all time favorite for all the wrong reasons.
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And since a Hellcat is essentially a slower, less nimble Hawg ... ;)
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Originally posted by bozon
well, the hellcat is a slow blue jug that takes off of carriers.
One of my all time favorite for all the wrong reasons.
Pthh, I can get a N off cv with 75%, rockets and ..well not the big eggs, just the 1 little egg:)
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Those of us who usually fly the P47 probably had the same opinion as most about the Jug before we really tried to get to know it. Big target...slow and easy kill. I guess it just "fits" the people who fly it a lot. I find it one of the better all around fighters in the game. Doesn't do anything great but does a lot well. In my opinion it probably takes more patience to use well then the majority of the aircraft in here. Majority of aircraft faster below 15K. Gun package is under rated by most but imho second only to 4 Hispanos. For instance encountered and Ta152 at 18K. He headed straight for me. I knew what was coming.....the dreaded HO.
I started firing the 8 50s at 1400 and when done the Ta152 went by me in 8 variously sized pieces. If you fly the Jug....take the 8 50s. 6 50s aren't going to make any difference. Having 6 50s instead of 8 still isn't going to let you out turn a Spit or for that matter most other aircraft unless very very slow otd. Use what the Jug gives you and you will be pleasantly surprised. Ask it to do something it can't you'll end up in the tower more often then not ;)
By the way for fighter mode I prefer the D11 and D25. D25 climbs better then the D40 without wep. D11 climbs at a similar rate as the D40. The N Jug is the worst climber below 20K. However when the N gets above 23K it will out climb a K4. D11 and D25 most maneuverable of the group. I prefer the D40 for fighter bombing role. When flying the N Jug best to establish a hard deck. It's the worst of the bunch very low because of it's weight. Superturbochargers aren't much help below 12K.