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Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Furball on May 10, 2007, 07:23:44 AM
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England - Prime Minister Tony Blair said Thursday that he will step down as prime minister on June 27, after a decade in office in which he brokered peace in Northern Ireland and followed the United States to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91199-1264933,00.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070510/ap_on_re_eu/britain_blair;_ylt=Atv8np5bggRXcYddxi6iFCOs0NUE
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Maniac on May 10, 2007, 07:58:29 AM
He was allright. And thats all i have to say about that.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Maverick on May 10, 2007, 11:08:41 AM
I understand that he is unpopular because of the iraq situation. Are there other issues that are causing his problems. We don't really get much news at all as far as Brit politics go.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: 68ZooM on May 10, 2007, 11:26:41 AM
He was doing good for the English people....Then he followed errrrr ummmmm errrrrrrrrr a certian person into War. History has yet to be written on this One.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Hawco on May 10, 2007, 11:48:56 AM
Good riddance I say
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Nashwan on May 10, 2007, 11:59:49 AM
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I understand that he is unpopular because of the iraq situation. Are there other issues that are causing his problems.


People's views of Blair (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=6303&edition=1&ttl=20070510175557&#paginator)

Edit: this one sums it up:

A man eager to please and be liked but with no firm principles.

An illegal war
Uncontrolled immigration
Rising crime and falling behaviour throughout society
A lopsided devolution that will ultimately break up the UK
Giving away our EU rebate for nothing in return
A lowering of educational standards to massage university entry figures
High tax, little if any improvement
Sleaze and spin
Bypassing of his cabinet
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: 68ZooM on May 10, 2007, 12:10:51 PM
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Originally posted by Nashwan
People's views of Blair (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=6303&edition=1&ttl=20070510175557&#paginator)

Edit: this one sums it up:

A man eager to please and be liked but with no firm principles.

An illegal war
Uncontrolled immigration
Rising crime and falling behaviour throughout society
A lopsided devolution that will ultimately break up the UK
Giving away our EU rebate for nothing in return
A lowering of educational standards to massage university entry figures
High tax, little if any improvement
Sleaze and spin
Bypassing of his cabinet


WOW you could change the name to Bush and its a mirror image
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: -CodyC on May 10, 2007, 12:25:52 PM
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Originally posted by Nashwan
People's views of Blair (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=6303&edition=1&ttl=20070510175557&#paginator)

Edit: this one sums it up:

A man eager to please and be liked but with no firm principles.

An illegal war
Uncontrolled immigration
Rising crime and falling behaviour throughout society
A lopsided devolution that will ultimately break up the UK
Giving away our EU rebate for nothing in return
A lowering of educational standards to massage university entry figures
High tax, little if any improvement
Sleaze and spin
Bypassing of his cabinet

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Originally posted by 68ZooM
WOW you could change the name to Bush and its a mirror image


Interestingly enough Blair's Labour party has still managed to stay in control of the House of Commons and we re-elected Bush.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Gh0stFT on May 10, 2007, 03:21:46 PM
i watch brit politics sometimes, i allways thought he is a young and clever
man, doing a good job until the iraq war...
there he showed he have no balls to say what he should say, there he lost everythink,
he transformed into a cheap puppet and the result is nobody trust him
or are interested in his real opinions today....

...game over...
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Sandman on May 10, 2007, 03:48:33 PM
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Originally posted by 68ZooM
He was doing good for the English people....Then he followed errrrr ummmmm errrrrrrrrr a certian person into War. History has yet to be written on this One.


Not much of a surprise. I seem to recall Blair used to follow Willy Jeff quite a bit as well.

Maybe his next replacement will have some stones of his own.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Yeager on May 10, 2007, 04:09:49 PM
England is the Greatest nation on earth.  All that the world is today, is in large part because of England.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: DREDIOCK on May 10, 2007, 04:17:57 PM
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Originally posted by Nashwan
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Rising crime and falling behaviour throughout society


But they outlawed guns. How can this be!! :p



Beat ya to it Laz:D
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: -CodyC on May 10, 2007, 04:53:36 PM
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Originally posted by Yeager
England is the Greatest nation on earth.  All that the world is today, is in large part because of England.


England was the greatest nation on earth.  This however is another debate for another time.  But you are right, most of the world today owes, in large part, England and its empire for everything.  The includes the good and the bad.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Replicant on May 11, 2007, 11:20:53 AM
Good riddance.  Nashwan about summed up why British people don't like him.

He was popular for a year or two when he first came into power but that was mostly because people were really fed up with the previous Conservative government and welcomed change.  The problem many people still have is that there are no really strong political parties that are really worthy of being the next government; they're all as bad as each other.

I hope history remembers him as an idiot and a liar...
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Maverick on May 11, 2007, 11:26:09 AM
He single handedly did all those things huh. Where is, or was, the rest of Parlament? Don't they have a say in making policy and governmental changes or do they just elect a single monarch like PM then follow like lemmings wherever he / she leads? :huh
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Replicant on May 11, 2007, 11:36:45 AM
Mav, during Bliar's first term his government had an overwhelming majority which pretty much allowed him to force everything through Parliament no matter what the opposition thought.  He often ignored any intelligent advice and ploughed on with whatever he wanted to do.  He had far too much power during this period and I believe now it's a bit more balanced (don't quote me on that though because I'm a little out of touch with British politics but that's my rough understanding) ;)
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Hawco on May 11, 2007, 01:13:16 PM
All we need now is the tories to win, they're worse than Blair by a long way.
I'm from Scotland originally and I'm really glad the SNP won there.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Eagler on May 11, 2007, 01:49:58 PM
so Blair was King of England? Like Bush is here LOL

or is he just the scape goat as Bush is here ...
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Sandman on May 11, 2007, 01:56:26 PM
LOL... Bush the scapegoat.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: AKWeav on May 11, 2007, 02:44:47 PM
"WOW you could change the name to Bush and its a mirror image"

Are you LIbs gonna hammer the guy for not following the will of the people, or hammer him for being wishy - washy?

Lol, I know it's tough for a supposedly open minded lot to make up your minds.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Furball on May 11, 2007, 03:24:09 PM
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Originally posted by Hawco
All we need now is the tories to win, they're worse than Blair by a long way.
I'm from Scotland originally and I'm really glad the SNP won there.


So am I, hopefully they will go for independance, then go back to wearing skirts and living in hills and stop taking English money.

;) :D

P.s. Hi Nexx!!
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Hawco on May 11, 2007, 03:29:55 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
So am I, hopefully they will go for independance, then go back to wearing skirts and living in hills and stop taking English money.

;) :D

P.s. Hi Nexx!!

Not very funny
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: -dead- on May 11, 2007, 05:23:55 PM
Good riddance to bad war criminals. If only we could apply the Nuremberg Principles and have him executed!
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Replicant on May 11, 2007, 05:34:24 PM
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Originally posted by Furball


;) :D

P.s. Hi Nexx!!


Hey Furby, still at Hendon? :)
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Pei on May 11, 2007, 07:56:49 PM
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Originally posted by Nashwan
An illegal war
Uncontrolled immigration
Rising crime and falling behaviour throughout society
A lopsided devolution that will ultimately break up the UK
Giving away our EU rebate for nothing in return
A lowering of educational standards to massage university entry figures
High tax, little if any improvement
Sleaze and spin
Bypassing of his cabinet


To which you can add the disgrace that is the Extradition Act 2003 (the treaty is still not ratified in the US I notice).


He was better than Major and he will almost certainly be better than Brown when he assumes power. I can't see a Scottish Prime Minister and a Scottish dominated Cabinet being acceptable in England now that many powers have been devolved to Scotland: why should we accept that they can make decisions for England that do not effect their own electorates because the equivalent power now rests with the Scottish Parliament?
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: cpxxx on May 11, 2007, 09:06:28 PM
Ah the good old British goodbye to their PM. Hammered by the everyone. In a sense it's what makes Britain the country it is. Very free and beholden to no one.

I can't think of a Brit PM who didn't quit under a cloud. In the end history will judge him.

I will say that he can boast of something that has frustrated many a British government. The 'Irish question'. He can't take full credit but he did his bit and finally and astonishingly there seems to be peace and reconciliation in Northern Ireland.  He will be remembered for that if nothing else. All credit to the USA too for it's part in the process.

I have to say though, Gordon Brown. Does anyone honestly think a dour Scotsman can win the next election. Oh please!
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: -tronski- on May 12, 2007, 07:24:03 AM
I liked Blair when he was first elected...shame he pissed it all away...

I wouldn't be so hard on poodle when it comes to Bush and Iraq - our pm's such a sycophant he makes Blair look like Saddam in comparison...

 Tronsky
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: wooley on May 12, 2007, 01:12:39 PM
Gordon Brown has every chance of being as popular as John Major - he'll probably scrape through the next election before being soundly trashed at the one after that.

The English views on having a Scottish Prime Minister are interesting. Pre-devolution, I'd bet most of them wouldn't have cared, but now English nationalism is growing because of events in Scotland, just as Scots nationalism grew on the back of resentment of English mis-management.

It'll be an interesting couple of years in Britain. Just glad I'm not there.
Title: Bye bye Blair
Post by: Lunger on May 12, 2007, 02:37:58 PM
illegal war :rofl
 Now thats funny!!! I'd love to see any of these armchair politocians do a better leading the free world than Bush and Blair did. I guess the next time a few thousand noncombatants get slaughtered in a single day we should have Hillary get up in front of the world and beg forgivness for whatever we did to upset the fanatics.
:aok

 Maybe we should even send them some money to aid them in blowing us up a few more times like Saddam did for the PLO, before we we removed him with our illegal war. Or we can go kill 40,000 more Kurds to make up for his lack of progress since we started our illegal war. Oh I got it, why don't we hunt down and imprision everybody that voted for one of the elected officals that voted for our illegal war. How about the next time we decide to send our nations military to fight for you we ask them how they feel about defending those of you who call their actions illegal. I sure hope none of your loved ones die in the next terrorist attack because I will think twice before I go to war for you again.:D