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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on May 10, 2007, 10:49:30 AM
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Can't say I did'nt see this coming and it's a good thing.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6796182
You don't want to work for your stepmother after your family got screwed.
So what happens now? Childress, Hendrick or on his own with JRM?
Whatever happens Budweiser and their $$$ will go with him.
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Hope he goes with childress his Father and Richard Built a dynasty and with Junior that could happen again, furthermore i think Kevin Harvick could benifit with a more Experenced Race proven Driver suck as Jr, Jeff Burton is an OK Driver but JR would bring alot more to Richard Childress Racing i think:aok
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Childress could keep Burton, Harvick, Bowyer and ADD Jr. The cap is on 4 cars as set by Roush. I think that is a good lineup.
I am thinking that he will land at Childress, but it would be fun to see him over at Joe Gibbs racing teamed up with Stewart.
For the longshot I am going to say Rick Hendrick will pay him big bucks to drive the #25 Chevrolet and finally see that car do something.
Bottom line, Teresa loses her meal ticket, sponsors and many crew members will follow Jr. whereever he goes.
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Childress. Dale Jr. will get a Black and Red Budwesier Car....with a BIG OLE 3 on the side.
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I saw one scenario where he makes JR Motorsports a satelite team of Hendrick like Ginn Racing is with Mark Martin. He gets Hendrick engines, equiptment and team technology but calls his own shots.
Teresa rode DEI into the ground. She used up the technology they had developed with Dale but could'nt keep up with the changes. They have lost their competetive edge and all they have now is the DEI name. Hope they sell a lot of hats and T-shirts cause they are'nt going to win any races. I would'nt be surprised if DEI winds up a Toyota team in a very few years.
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This isn't a surprise. It was pretty much a done deal a few months back when it became public knowledge that Jr wanted majority ownership of DEI and Theresa came back and said he could buy 51% at a huge pricetag.
Where's Jr gonna go? Good question. He's said he wants to stay in a Chevy, and with his other criteria the only choices are RCR, Gibbs, or HMS.
Gibbs has room to add another car, and would probably love to have Jr.
Would Hendrik boot Casey Mears to put Jr in the 25? I'm not so sure. Mears has potential, especially with Gordon and Johnson on the team to help him along. Hendrik may consider it, but it's probably the least likely scenario.
RCR has an open car. But does Jr want to step into that shadow? And he would be stepping into his father's shadow. Alot of fans would love to see 3 back on the track, but some of the real diehard Earnhardt Sr fans I know think the 3 should stay retired. And folks would have to realize that Jr is not his father. Jr hasn't ruled it out, but has said he needs to alot of soul searching about it.
Turning JRM into a satelite team of HMS might happen, but I'd see it as a last resort. Jr has said he doesn't want to start his own cup team. The main reason, I believe, he wanted controlling interest of DEI was to have control over the direction thier program. If Jr can't find what he wants with another team this may be the route he chooses.
I think he's going to land at RCR. A few things imply the 3 is coming back.
Goodwrench pulled off of Harvick's car during the off season. Could they be anticipating a return on 3? Opens the question who would be primary sponsor since Bud is going with Jr.
Jr keeps talking about his father's legacy and making comparisons.
Not too long ago Childress publicly said he's got an open car and Jr is welcome to it anytime.
I've kind of got mixed feelings about the number 3 coming back onto the track. It would have to be Jr driving if it did come back, anyone else would cause too much of an uproar IMO.
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Could be numbered
3 JR
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Originally posted by rpm
Can't say I did'nt see this coming and it's a good thing.You don't want to work for your stepmother after your family got screwed.
How did his family get screwed?
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WHo shot JR?
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Originally posted by CavemanJ
I think he's going to land at RCR. A few things imply the 3 is coming back.
Goodwrench pulled off of Harvick's car during the off season. Could they be anticipating a return on 3?
Kind of what I was thinking.
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Originally posted by Sox62
How did his family get screwed?
Dale, Sr. left DEI to Teresa and not his kids. Teresa is the stepmother of Dale, Kelley and Kerry.
It's all very Jerry Springer.
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Originally posted by rpm
Dale, Sr. left DEI to Teresa and not his kids. Teresa is the stepmother of Dale, Kelley and Kerry.
It's all very Jerry Springer.
My point exactly.He left his share to his WIFE.It's hers.She helped him build and run it.Nobody is getting screwed.The only one that would have gotten screwed would have been Teresa if she gave in to Junior's blackmai....err pressure.
If Dale Sr. wanted junior to run it,wouldn't he have left it to junior and not Teresa?
I find it amazing that everybody seems to think she should "do the right thing",and hand over a company she helped build,instead of respecting Dale Earnhardt's wishes,which were Teresa gets DEI.
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Originally posted by rpm
It's all very Jerry Springer.
being most of NASCAR fans are "Jerry Springer" types - it seems to fit well don't you think
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Originally posted by Eagler
being most of NASCAR fans are "Jerry Springer" types - it seems to fit well don't you think
weak
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Originally posted by Slash27
weak
but true
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Originally posted by Eagler
but true
Sure it is, because you think its true then it has to be right?
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Originally posted by Eagler
being most of NASCAR fans are "Jerry Springer" types - it seems to fit well don't you think
Most REAL NASCAR fans are not. But then, you knew that, didn't you.
It amazes me how much people THINK they know about motorsports and racing. I can tell you that when you make a living at it, the most amusing thing there is, is what people THINK they know.
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That's ok Virgil, most F1/Indy fans are the "Oprah/The View" types.
I also predict Jr. going to Childress in a red car with a big white 3 on it's side.
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Excuse me, Formula 1 fans are not Oprah types. But I know what you mean. I like both F1 and Nascar but then I am classed as 'Eurotrash' by Americans. So I can't win.
You know, reading this thread, if you didn't know you guys were talking about nascar it would look very surreal or like like some kind of daytime soap. Stepmothers, kids, etc
Who shot JR indeed :rofl
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I'm with you on this cpxxx, I enjoy all forms of motorsports as I think most true gearheads do.
I just find F1 a little boring now with the focus on technology rather than the driver, but that is slowly changing.
I freaking love to watch WRC, those guys are the best drivers in the world IMHO.
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Originally posted by Eagler
being most of NASCAR fans are "Jerry Springer" types - it seems to fit well don't you think
Eagler, you've watched Jerry Springer yourself! You fit in just fine.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Excuse me, Formula 1 fans are not Oprah types. But I know what you mean. I like both F1 and Nascar but then I am classed as 'Eurotrash' by Americans. So I can't win.
You're not Eurotrash, you're Irish. They have an exemption. Now if you were on the continent or british, that's an entirely different matter.
Eagler is just mad at me because I labeled him a Bushboi in another thread. The slander was addressed to me, not the thread or NASCAR fans.
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Originally posted by rpm
Eagler is just mad at me because I labeled him a Bushboi in another thread. The slander was addressed to me, not the thread or NASCAR fans.
you did hurt my feelings :)
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Originally posted by Sox62
My point exactly.He left his share to his WIFE.It's hers.She helped him build and run it.Nobody is getting screwed.The only one that would have gotten screwed would have been Teresa if she gave in to Junior's blackmai....err pressure.
If Dale Sr. wanted junior to run it,wouldn't he have left it to junior and not Teresa?
I find it amazing that everybody seems to think she should "do the right thing",and hand over a company she helped build,instead of respecting Dale Earnhardt's wishes,which were Teresa gets DEI.
While I don't have access to his will or it's contents, the story is it was an old will drawn up before he created DEI. DEI was created for Jr so he could drive for his dad. That is common knowledge. If you don't believe me, ask any Earnhardt aficionado.
Teresa did not build DEI, Dale Sr did. Teresa rode it into the ground. Yes, she should have done the right thing and transferred a portion of the ownership to his kids. If she had, maybe Jr would'nt have had to demand 51% to have a say in the team's (and his) future.
Maybe I'm biased because I was in an almost identical situation when my father died unexpectedly and my stepmother (of 2 years) got nearly everything I worked hard for 30 years helping to build. His will was 20 years old.
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Originally posted by rpm
While I don't have access to his will or it's contents, the story is it was an old will drawn up before he created DEI. DEI was created for Jr so he could drive for his dad. That is common knowledge. If you don't believe me, ask any Earnhardt aficionado.
Ah yes,all Earnhardt aficionados have a better grasp of the actual intent of a will than the man that actually wrote it.
I would have an easier time taking Earnhardt aficionados seriously if they could take a minute off from tossing beer cans on a track when Gordon wins the race.
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Man RPM, sorry to hear that.
Step mom's can really f things up.
As far as DEI, remember that Teresa comes from a long-time racing family, Tommy Houston, so Dale wasn't leaving DEI to a person who had no racing background. How's she's done with it is for a completely discussion. I feel though that she dropped the ball on this one. But again, she and Jr. never really saw eye-to-eye for most of their relationship. It's one of those racing things gone family, unfortunately.
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Teresa comes from a racing family and is very business savy. Unfortunately she is not very good at running a race team at the NASCAR level. She is not very good at family relations, either. She has no time in a car and does'nt know jack about cars from behind the wheel.
I didn't hear Jr ask for $1 of what DEI made while Teresa was in charge. He wanted control of his family's company to change the direction of where the business was painfully headed because it could not compete. It was that, or continue to be treated as an hourly employee at his step-mother's company.
Being offered the opportunity to buy 51% at an inflated price it was clear Teresa did not want to deal. She has made her decision and now she will have to live with it's result. The racing community will leave DEI like rats from a sinking ship. It will continue to exist, but it will be at the Petty Enterprises level. All show, no go.
Jr will win a Nextel Cup, probably in the next 3 years. He has a long career ahead of him. DEI has all the championships it's ever going to see. At least they can still sell hats and t-shirts.
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Originally posted by rpm
She has no time in a car and does'nt know jack about cars from behind the wheel.
Joe Gibbs has no experience behind the wheel of a race car and he runs a sucessful NASCAR team. Some guy named Stewart races for him...
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How many SuperBowl's has Teresa won before she decided to switch her leadership abilities to NASCAR?
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Given that logic, how many NHRA championships has Kenny Bernstein won before he started his Cup team and then had to fold it?
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Originally posted by rpm
How many SuperBowl's has Teresa won before she decided to switch her leadership abilities to NASCAR?
How many children did Joe gibbs give birth to?
Both experiences give you the same knowledge of what it feels like to drive a 190 mph lap at Daytona.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
How many children did Joe gibbs give birth to?
:rolleyes:
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You pointed out she doesn't have wheel experience. I pointed out that Joe Gibbs doesn't either. You countered with Joes football experience.
Football does not equal driving, just as giving birth does not equal driving.
Put your rolly eye thingy back where it belongs and try to understand the conversation.
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I countered with his proven major league level leadership abilities and her lack of knowledge. You countered with an insane question with which there is no other answer than a ghey rolly eyes thingy.
I understand the conversation, do you? Teresa will make millions selling Dale Earnhardt memorabilia. Jr will make millions winning championships.
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I am so sorry, I thought you said:
Originally posted by rpm
She has no time in a car and does'nt know jack about cars from behind the wheel.
Which would make me think you were concerned that a race team leader needed wheel experience.
I guess I was wrong and you did not write that.
sure look like you did though.
But then perhaps I won that point and you just want to ignore it and move on.
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OK Holden, I'll break it down for you. Since Teresa took charge of DEI it has steadily lost it's competetive edge. It lost Michael Waltrip and NAPA's $$$ went with him. Teresa does not have what it takes to perform at this level. She does not understand the driver/owner relationship.
Joe Gibbs could have chosen basketball instead of racing and been competitive. He has proven leadership skills at championship levels. If you want to, put a year by year comparison of JGR's first 4 years and DEI's last 4, you'll see what I mean.
Teresa = great at selling tshirts
Gibbs = great at building championship teams
But, then you already know that and just want to drag this out.
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Okay, so apparently you do wish to ignore your incorrect statement about the importance of driving experience.
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No, it is very important.
But, Gibbs has what are called "skills". He has a record of "success". He can put together at "team" of people that "know what they are doing" to overcome his personal lack of knowlege.
Teresa has nice nail polish and a last name.
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Originally posted by rpm
No, it is very important.
But, Gibbs has what are called "skills". He has a record of "success". He can put together at "team" of people that "know what they are doing" to overcome his personal lack of knowlege.
Teresa has nice nail polish and a last name.
So... its very important even though Joe Gibbs doesn't have it, and it's very important even though Bernie Little never raced an unlimited hydroplane, he ran the most sucessful team in that sport's history.
You have a very interesting concept of reality.
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geez holden, quit trying to bait rpm and keep the hijack going.
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Theresa is NOT the reason DEI doesn't have NAPA and Michael Waltrip. RICHIE GILMORE is the reason DEI does not have NAPA and Michael Waltrip. If you want to fix the competition side of DEI, send Gilmore back to the engine department, or to the curb if he cannot keep his mouth shut, and make Steve Hmiel vice president and director of competition. Then put Tony Eury Sr in the assistant director's position. Then Hmiel and Eury can go to Richard Childress and take Richard up on his offer to partner up with DEI. And while you're at it, trade Paul Menard off for a senior driver like Kenny Schrader, and sever all ties with Menard's.
Junior is NOT ready to run his own team, he is WAY too immature and inexperienced.
By the way, Junior is not losing his interest in DEI, he is just not going to drive for them. Dale Sr. didn't leave it all to Theresa, he just left her controlling interest. And when he died, Junior was too immature to get out of bed and make his paid appearances.
The problem is Theresa and Junior don't work well together, and their egos kept them from making a deal. Saying Junior deserves to have controlling interest in DEI at this point is like saying Jeff Gordon should own controlling interest in Hendrick Motorsports.
And it just might do Junior a lot of good to go out and work for someone else.
Joe Gibbs DID drive a race car. He drag raced in NHRA when he was young.
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I thought he had a top fuel team at once, but couldn't find anything to back it up so I kept quiet.
There are some major changes that need to be made at DEI. Their R & D dept is trailing the heard. Next season they will be competing with Petty Enterprises and BAM Racing for 30th in points.
Don't be surprised if there is a mass exidus of experience there after Jr leaves.
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Cory McClenathan drove the McD's top fuel dragster and Cruz Pedregon drove the AA/FC for Joe Gibbs.
At least that's what I remember off the top off my head.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Cory McClenathan drove the McD's top fuel dragster and Cruz Pedregon drove the AA/FC for Joe Gibbs.
At least that's what I remember off the top off my head.
Yes, but Joe himself drove years ago. Probably in the sixties. I don't think Joe drove a fuel car. I think it was a gas dragster, but I'd have to go through a bunch of old interviews and stuff to find out.
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I had no idea Joe drove a hotrod.
I tell ya the guy turns to gold whatever he touches. Although I think getting back into football may not have been the best idea.
Nothing but respect for Joe.
Oh, do you remember what happened to Joe as an owner in the very first race he entered? Think Dale Jarret, a green Interstate Batteries car and the Daytona 500.
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Originally posted by rpm
Next season they will be competing with Petty Enterprises and BAM Racing for 30th in points.
If only Petty Enterprises had a leader with time in a car and who knew jack about cars from behind the wheel...
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Petty Enterprises lost their edge when Adam died. They are just running for charity now.
If Kyle put the energy into Petty Enterprises he puts into Victory Junction Camp and his motorcycle rides, they might be competing for a Top 10. I don't begrudge Kyle, he does some fantastic work for sick kids. The longer Petty Enterprises in on the track, the more sick kids that get help. That's a good thing.
Holden, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings when I called Teresa a greedy, no talent hack lacking leadership skills. I didn't realise you were so sensitive and I'll try to temper any future remarks in consideration.
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Originally posted by rpm
Holden, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings when I called Teresa a greedy, no talent hack lacking leadership skills. I didn't realise you were so sensitive and I'll try to temper any future remarks in consideration.
You didn't, you just made an incorrect statement about the requirement for driving experience in the top job of a racing team.
If driving experience were that important, AJ Foyt would have more Indy wins than Penske, Petty would still dominate NASCAR, and Bernie Little would have never managed Miss Budweiser to the dominating career it had.