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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Guppy35 on May 12, 2007, 12:22:11 AM
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I got it down, but it was a bit of a mess afterwards :)
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From that picture looks like u got vulched:p
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Vulch pff I HOed him.:D Guppy my comment about the setup turning into Spitaly is true. Every time theres a setup with a spit in it once people die in other planes they run to the easymode spits. Its no fun geting ganged by spits all week thats why I resorted to my HOtarding.
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Originally posted by Larry
Vulch pff I HOed him.:D Guppy my comment about the setup turning into Spitaly is true. Every time theres a setup with a spit in it once people die in other planes they run to the easymode spits. Its no fun geting ganged by spits all week thats why I resorted to my HOtarding.
As if you need an excuse to HOtard. :rolleyes:
:aok
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Originally posted by Larry
Vulch pff I HOed him.:D Guppy my comment about the setup turning into Spitaly is true. Every time theres a setup with a spit in it once people die in other planes they run to the easymode spits. Its no fun geting ganged by spits all week thats why I resorted to my HOtarding.
That may be, but we were all flying 38s when the comment was made. There may have been 1 Spit flying.
I'll admit I was surprised when you HO'd my 38. I wasn't expecting it in the AvA.
They had been some really great fights, not real high, no real picking and great fun. The guys fighting were enjoying it and no one was griping, but just having fun.
But then all of a sudden the crowd was way up there coming down in a bunch and it became just another MA bit.
As for Spits. Personally I could care less if a Spit is in any set up. I do note in just about every AvA setup the complaints start right away before it even goes and that as a general rule it appears that the Spits that make it in are not even the ones that fit historically. You'd have the IX and VIII in this set up historically, but all the set up has is a 1941 Spit V with half the cannon load that a Spit Vc would have had during the time of the set up.
Killing Spits is fun. i take great pleasure in eating them up in the LWA in my 38G. I just can't worry about what the other guy flies. I just try and have fun in what I fly.
I rarely fly a post 1943 bird as the 38G is my ride of choice. If I get in a Spit its usually an 8 and thats to fight against the horde in a base defense as the 38G sometimes just doesn't work well with the wheels barely off the ground.
But again I can't worry about the other guys ride other then beating it if I can.
The beauty of the fights early tonite in AvA for me was it was all about the fight, and not about landing kills or scorewhoring, or chest thumping. It was fun. We didn't have to climb to 15K just to get close. We were coming to the fight at 2-3K and that was plenty.
That's what the AvA could be all the time, and if it ever got there, it would draw in a lot of guys thinking the same.
Then for whatever reason it became about advantage, and alt, instead of having at it. That's the LWA. If that's all the AvA is on a smaller scale, then the appeal is gone. It was too bad because as soon as it changed tonite, my guys from the 80th said the same thing. If this is all it's gonna be, we might as well go back to the LWA.
Sorry for the soapbox, but it was hard to see the guys I fly with go from really enjoying what seemed to be something more like we enjoy to disappointed in the same old bit.
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Well I started out flying the 109G2 then for about 5 sorties in a row I got jumped by hurris 38s spits and P40s. After that The gloves came off....I wasnt just ganna keep geting ganged and picked all night so I got in my 110G and started blowing planes outa the sky. It was one of the only times that I just come in on any red plane I saw. I didnt care if there were 3 guys on him I came in and tatered him right back to the tower. I said it was turning into spitaly right after that when I started seeing more and more spits in the air, and then seen three spits on one poor low 109. I down right hate spits. Never did never will, and I will bet you by the end of the week you'll be only a hand full of guys in something other then spits. To counter this LW will have to get alt so then allied flyers will get alt and so on and so on. Next thing you know 20k spits hording 109s.
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Guess we were seeing different things then. It was often 2 v 3 or 3 v 2 with dots inbound for me.
I liked the shortened icon range as it made me work harder at the SA bit.
There were 4 of us in 38s to start, but Soulyss had to leave so i was Shuffler, Vast and I in 38s. 1Duke1 was in one for a bit as was Oldman.
We had someone called Do in a 38 who clearly didn't know what was going on as he was shooting at the green guys. LTARget was in a 38 for a bit, then a 40 i think.
I didn't see one Spit until I heard 1Duke1, who had switched say I'd double teamed him with a Spit. he wasn't mad, it was just a comment. But I hadn't seen the Spit above us and had come up from below and shot his 190 (I think it was a 190)
So I never actually saw a Spit up, only heard about 1.
The mid evening 109/202/205 fights against the 38s were great fun for the reasons I mentioned earlier. The only picker was ShaunB, again in a 110 coming down while others were turning with each other.
And if the Spits are en masse, I'd be more then happy to get my old Emil of my doom and have at it against em, cause it's fun :)
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btwn the axis hoing. the gangs and the cherry picking - the spit is about the only allied ride in this setup if you plan on landing ur sortie
it would be better without the spit as most setups are but it would also be better if every 190 did not head on with guns blazing or if every decent a2a when you are in a p40 or p38 was not interrupted by cherry picking gangsters ... so all it leaves is the spit .. and the hot shower you need to feel clean after you fly in one for a sortie or two :)
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I honestly don't get the griping. I started the evening Axis and saw more P-38s than Spits. After the sides got very unbalanced toward the Axis, I switched over to Allieds and still saw mostly P-38s. Without friendly Icon IDs, it isn't always easy to tell what a single-engined plane is (case in point, Guppy thought I was in a P-40, but I was actually bouncing between the Hurri I and Hurri IIc.), but the fork-tailed devil is very easy to pick out. And it was everywhere.
If, for sake of argument, there were a lot of Spits, so what? Are you saying it is just no fun unless you have the advantage?
As for the HOing, I can sympathize with Dan/Guppy/Corky's desire to have a different flavor in the AvA. But the fact remains that we have some who will always HO, some who will never HO, and others that do or do not based on what they experience. I think I HOed three planes all evening. One was Truekill's 110 after he announced he was in a 110 and was HOing everyone. (I actually had a good laugh at the minor whining that came out afterwards . . . "I didn't think you would do that!" "But you said . . . " "But I didn't mean it!" etc.). I think the second was also Truekill, this time in his 109, after I heard the first pings of him firing at me. The third was Easycore. He was in a 110 and I mistook him for Truekill. :p But I was on the receiving end of many many other HOs from LW pilots . . . oddly enough, more happened when I was in the Hurri I. :rolleyes: So all sides do it, no one is immune . . . shrug it off and up another plane.
Ganging? Also happening on both sides. The difference was, some people (especially early) were saluted for holding on so well against odds and saluted back . . . others said "serves you right" or griped about being on the receiving end. The actions were the same, but the reactions varied widely.
Bottom line, the mudslinging about who HOed who, who picked who, who was ganging and in what aircraft, blah blah blah is all pretty silly IMO. I thought the point was to fight and have fun. This I managed to do. A little friendly banter now and again can also be enjoyable. But if you are going to whine and stamp your feet, then do yourself a favor and quit taking it so seriously. You will have a lot more fun yourself and keep the atmosphere more enjoyable for others.
My fiftieth of a dollar.
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Originally posted by Eagler
btwn the axis hoing. the gangs and the cherry picking - the spit is about the only allied ride in this setup if you plan on landing ur sortie
it would be better without the spit as most setups are but it would also be better if every 190 did not head on with guns blazing or if every decent a2a when you are in a p40 or p38 was not interrupted by cherry picking gangsters ... so all it leaves is the spit .. and the hot shower you need to feel clean after you fly in one for a sortie or two :)
LOL I was thinking about that last night.
I went back to LWA for a bit and towards the end of the night I couldn't ever get my 38 up to speed or even a couple thousand feet of alt before i was getting mugged.
Out of frustration I upped a Spit 16 because it was the only thing i could get moving enough to give me a chance against higher birds in a horde.
It made me wonder about which came first. The Spit or the higher picking hordes because Eagler's right. It is about the only thing that gives you any hope against that kind of mob.
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LTARget I did say "sry for the HOs in advance" so you cant blam me.:p
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Hmm.......... Looks like things are getting back to normal.:D
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Originally posted by Larry
LTARget I did say "sry for the HOs in advance" so you cant blam me.:p
Actually, I did "Blam" you -- twice as a matter of fact.
But I don't blame you for HOing. :aok Like I was saying, it is just a matter of knowing some people do it, and accepting the fact, and moving on.
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Originally posted by Larry
Vulch pff I HOed him.:D Guppy my comment about the setup turning into Spitaly is true. Every time theres a setup with a spit in it once people die in other planes they run to the easymode spits. Its no fun geting ganged by spits all week thats why I resorted to my HOtarding.
Well, this idea of taking Spitfires away from history brings me very sad memories...
But I understand very well this contained rage against Spitfires. When a 109G2 is outmanouevered and shot to pieces by a Spitfire V, these feelings are very understandable...And when the Spit V is co-alt, it even hurts more...It's quite understandable...Come on, how is this possible? A very old model shooting down a much modern one?! It can only be overmodelled, or we face hacking, for sure!
Ban the Spitfire! Ban the P38! Ban the Hurricane! They are all uber-planes of death, they chew K's and Doras for breakfast! Ban every plane but the 109, 190 and 110!
And especially, ban whoever shoots me down, too!
It's understandable...
Sparow
Offline Player
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Originally posted by Larry
Every time theres a setup with a spit in it once people die in other planes they run to the easymode spits. Its no fun geting ganged by spits all week thats why I resorted to my HOtarding.
SInce when is flying a 109 hard? And since when is fighting a Spit in a 109 not fun? Maybe I'm weird.
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You get in a 109G2 or G6 and Ill get in a spitV. How aobut lets give me a few K of alt sice all the spits I seen last night came in about 7-8K when everyone else was around 2-5k
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Originally posted by E25280
Actually, I did "Blam" you -- twice as a matter of fact.
But I don't blame you for HOing. :aok Like I was saying, it is just a matter of knowing some people do it, and accepting the fact, and moving on.
Hey I forgot the E yes you did "blam" me a few times but I got more "blams" on you.:p
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Originally posted by Slash27
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Okay next time I see you on we'll do it.
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any combo of the planeset when in a 1 v 1 against a decent pilot is the best AH has to offer imho.
I think the spitV should be pulled or made a spit9 if you don't give the germs the 109f :)
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Yes I don't know why the '41 spit is in the setup but the '41 109 isnt. If the V stays in I would like to see a 109F or even the 110C.
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Everybody gets shot down sooner or later. Once that happens you have two routes you can take.
1. Take it like a man, remember it's a game, give a or remain quiet grab another plane and get back in the fight.
2. Whine on 200 about Spits, HO's, Alt Monkeys, or any other possible excuse causing you to get shot down to sooth your ego.
Number 2 seems to be the way to go for many. Number 2 has spawned the AVA dicta .
1. HOing in a Luftwaffe bird like the 110 is acceptable.
HOing in a Hurri II is not.
2. In an ETO setup it's a crime if a lot of guys are flying spits.
In a PTO setup it's acceptable if a lot of guys are flying N1k2s
3. If a group of Axis planes are lurking right off an airfield attacking
people at a lower alttitude, that's acceptable.
If the Allied guys wise up and come from a rear field with alt, they
are alt monkeys.
4. The Allied planeset must always be carefully edited because certain
model types are too hard to fight against.
The Axis planeset must include every possible model available for the
time period. To include jets, and rocket planes.
5. If you shoot me down it's because of your superior skills.
If I shoot you down, I'm a HOtard, Alt Monkey, Spitdweeb, or any other
Jr High excuse that will ease your bruised ego.
Like I said, it looks as if things are getting back to normal.
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Shifty you left out my favorite..
Come in after a squad night on Fridays between 8 and 12 beers into it after a long week of work just KNOWING you're going to get your rear end handed to you but hoping that a little luck is thrown your way and somebody walks into your bullets / cannons.
See some guys you've traded barbs, 's, and winged with, and just enjoy a bunch of knuckleheads much like yourself who enjoy flying cartoon airplanes.
Laugh when you get killed, learn a little more, and move on.
BTW Dan.. at least you got it down ... sort of :p
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Purge the disease.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Shifty you left out my favorite..
Come in after a squad night on Fridays between 8 and 12 beers into it after a long week of work just KNOWING you're going to get your rear end handed to you but hoping that a little luck is thrown your way and somebody walks into your bullets / cannons.
See some guys you've traded barbs, 's, and winged with, and just enjoy a bunch of knuckleheads much like yourself who enjoy flying cartoon airplanes.
Laugh when you get killed, learn a little more, and move on.
BTW Dan.. at least you got it down ... sort of :p
After three beers I'm stalking Frau Shifty.
After five beers the cat better hope I find Frau Shifty before I cross paths with it.
After six I can't remember why I was looking for Frau Shifty in the first place, and the cat avoids me for weeks.
If I were to drink seven beers............ I wouldn't wake up until Sunday, and I'd have a dead cat.:confused:
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Originally posted by Shifty
Everybody gets shot down sooner or later. Once that happens you have two routes you can take.
1. Take it like a man, remember it's a game, give a or remain quiet grab another plane and get back in the fight.
2. Whine on 200 about Spits, HO's, Alt Monkeys, or any other possible excuse causing you to get shot down to sooth your ego.
Number 2 seems to be the way to go for many. Number 2 has spawned the AVA dicta .
1. HOing in a Luftwaffe bird like the 110 is acceptable.
HOing in a Hurri II is not.
2. In an ETO setup it's a crime if a lot of guys are flying spits.
In a PTO setup it's acceptable if a lot of guys are flying N1k2s
3. If a group of Axis planes are lurking right off an airfield attacking
people at a lower alttitude, that's acceptable.
If the Allied guys wise up and come from a rear field with alt, they
are alt monkeys.
4. The Allied planeset must always be carefully edited because certain
model types are too hard to fight against.
The Axis planeset must include every possible model available for the
time period. To include jets, and rocket planes.
5. If you shoot me down it's because of your superior skills.
If I shoot you down, I'm a HOtard, Alt Monkey, Spitdweeb, or any other
Jr High excuse that will ease your bruised ego.
Like I said, it looks as if things are getting back to normal.
And I thought it was just me :)
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Originally posted by TheBug
Purge the disease.
Patient:Hey Doc, Some thing's wrong, I keep throwing up and practically live on the toilet.
Doc: So what your telling me is your full of **** and vomiting bile.
Patient: yeah, guess so, what's up Doc?
Doc: Nothing to take too seriously...you've just got TheBug
:cool:
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Yes shifty I dont think its ever going to change and theres not alot any one can do about it sept leave, but then everyone will whine about theres no numbers. The other night was a rare day when I just said screw it and started HOing and ganging every plane I saw. Anyone who knows me knows Id rather be in a 1v1 but there wernt any that night because once you get in one someone would dive in and get a pick. I think I was flying agenst LTARget in a great 1v1 turn fight when some new guy jumped in after I told him to stay out. I told him if he could stay out atlease 3 times but he kept tryin to pick. I got the kill a few seconds later but I didnt know if he meesed it up and distracted get for me.
Tonight numbers were uneven and becuase there were about six guys milking the other islands I had to swich and fly agenst my squadies. (something I dont like doing) Numbers were around 4-5 at the bases we were flying at and pacifica would fly by the axis base and get jumped by a few JG54 memebers (the only people fighting on axis side) then whine about geting ganged. I dont understand why he would do that when last week all he did when I got in a 1v1 with him was go for the HO. I cant see how someone would whine about geting ganged yet get into a 1v1 and and do nothing but HO. I mean did anyone whine about the 880th and thier 15K P38s last week? NO all we did was get alt and come find you. But when JG54 gangs theres post whineing about how we do this and that.
I know JG54 has and always will be the "black sheep" of the AvA but most things we do get blown out of proportion. When we gang everyone whines and talks crap about it. Yet when we get ganged everyone pats each other on the back for doing it. Mabey you guys should start recording and watching your films because we HO, gang, and pick just as much as you guys, but we dont go whining on the BBS about it.
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Originally posted by Shifty
After three beers I'm stalking Frau Shifty.
After five beers the cat better hope I find Frau Shifty before I cross paths with it.
After six I can't remember why I was looking for Frau Shifty in the first place, and the cat avoids me for weeks.
If I were to drink seven beers............ I wouldn't wake up until Sunday, and I'd have a dead cat.:confused:
Lightweight ;)
why do my dogs avoid me when I drink beer?
PS how's T?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Lightweight ;)
You got that right. I've never had to spend much money for a buzz.:aok
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one word .. keystone :)
all the hillbillys are descending on casa del barry on memorial day weekend.. yall are invited
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
one word .. keystone :)
all the hillbillys are descending on casa del barry on memorial day weekend.. yall are invited
Keystone?:confused:
:D
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
one word .. keystone :)
all the hillbillys are descending on casa del barry on memorial day weekend.. yall are invited
Sounds great. PM me directions and details. Thomas is coming home on leave next Sunday for 30 days.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Patient:Hey Doc, Some thing's wrong, I keep throwing up and practically live on the toilet.
Doc: So what your telling me is your full of **** and vomiting bile.
Patient: yeah, guess so, what's up Doc?
Doc: Nothing to take too seriously...you've just got TheBug
:cool:
:lol :rofl :rofl :lol
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Originally posted by Shifty
Sounds great. PM me directions and details. Thomas is coming home on leave next Sunday for 30 days.
will do :D
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Originally posted by Slash27
Keystone?:confused:
:D
coors light light ;)