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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Simaril on May 12, 2007, 07:37:30 PM
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Recently the Training Corps (Bless their busy souls) decided that they no longer had the staffing to schedule 1v1 training sessions. Instead, they're asking players to attend the open training sessions or the scheduled skill clinics now being listed on their calendar. It's an understandable decision, since the subscriber base just keeps growing, but when combined with the (also understandable) killshooter on DA it means finding 1v1 skill training is going to be harder than ever.
We have a great community. I know there are many without the official trainers' title who volunteer time in the TA. There are also many who are generous with tips and have a knack for explaining things, without ever expecting recognition. I expect some of these folks would be willing to step up and unofficially fill this gap.
So if you're in a squad that has new players, try to be a bit more proactive in offering training -- don't wait to be asked. And if you're willing and able, look for chances to adopt and mentor intermediate players, who have moved past the newbie stage but haven't gotten the chance we had to get one on one training time.
AND if you are interested in either taking on an apprentice for long term training, or in offering some "spot" teaching oriented duels, then let folks know....maybe by posting here.
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I've been considering trying to help some people out, but I'm not sure I have the time or patience. I'd probably be willing to show someone who's gotten to the point of being "good" a few things. By that I mean someone who's better than most in the arenas, but needs some help with reversals/overshoots/fighting from a disadvantage. I'm not going to teach anyone how to E fight or scissor. If you can't figure that out, you suck.
I'm not sure I have anything to teach someone who doesn't know at least how to work a rolling scissor, and I definitely don't have the patience for that. I guess if anyone's interested, PM me on here. No squeekers.
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0o0o0o Rat Can I be Trained? :D
I wanna Be An Experten Tater Tosser Like you :D
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I said no squeekers.
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Wish I was good enough to train, I'd take on an apprentice :p
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Originally posted by wetrat
I've been considering trying to help some people out, but I'm not sure I have the time or patience. I'd probably be willing to show someone who's gotten to the point of being "good" a few things. By that I mean someone who's better than most in the arenas, but needs some help with reversals/overshoots/fighting from a disadvantage. I'm not going to teach anyone how to E fight or scissor. If you can't figure that out, you suck.
I'm not sure I have anything to teach someone who doesn't know at least how to work a rolling scissor, and I definitely don't have the patience for that. I guess if anyone's interested, PM me on here. No squeekers.
I'm surprised you'll get anyone to train with you with that kind of attitude.
If we can't figure out how to E fight we suck?
Yeah..great analysis. Way to be understanding of people that don't know everything like you apparently do.
I hate egotistical windbags.
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"those that are taught a skill can be good at said skill. but never under estimate someone who has had the drive to teach themselves. they can be relentless and wildly unpredictable." pappy boyinton
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Originally posted by halcyon
I'm surprised you'll get anyone to train with you with that kind of attitude.
If we can't figure out how to E fight we suck?
Yeah..great analysis. Way to be understanding of people that don't know everything like you apparently do.
I hate egotistical windbags.
He's not being egotistical, he's laying out what skill level he is willing to start training at.
A high school teacher wouldn't be as suited for teaching 3rd grade as an elementary school teacher would be. It takes different kinds of people.
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Originally posted by Vudak
He's not being egotistical, he's laying out what skill level he is willing to start training at.
A high school teacher wouldn't be as suited for teaching 3rd grade as an elementary school teacher would be. It takes different kinds of people.
I beg to differ in a way. Telling what his "application requirements" are is one thing. Of course he can go and train/ help people which have mastered a certain level. That's fine and this community can surely need any helping hand.
On the other hand: "If you can't figure that out, you suck." is a quite arrogant attitude.
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Applaud your well-intentioned call for mentoring, Simaril. If anyone wants to find the limits of their knowledge in a hurry, start mentoring someone who asks a lot of simple questions... ;)
1 vs 1 training is not going away, though. It's simply more efficient to train 8 people on basic and repetitive topics for two hours instead of 16 hours doing it one person at a time as it was done in the past. Bringing more people up the shallow learning curve of Aces High faster helps the veterans to have better fights in the Main Arenas. Dueling 1 v 1 in similar planes, at similar E and weight is a small slice of Aces High. Sure, it's fun and the trainers enjoy it also, but the Main Arenas are still the bread and butter for most people.
There will always be an avenue for advanced and individual aircraft training, plus 1 v 1 training. Just ask a trainer in the Training Arena.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by Lusche
I beg to differ in a way. Telling what his "application requirements" are is one thing. Of course he can go and train/ help people which have mastered a certain level. That's fine and this community can surely need any helping hand.
On the other hand: "If you can't figure that out, you suck." is a quite arrogant attitude.
Some of you guys really need to do a better job at detecting things that are said in jest. i.e. humor. If you can't handle someone bustin your balls, I'm the wrong person to be spending any amount of time with :aok Makes no difference to me if noone takes me up on my offer. I'm willing to help make a decent stick a good stick for the sake of promoting competence (something this game sorely lacks lately), but have no burning desire to do so.
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Originally posted by wetrat
Some of you guys really need to do a better job at detecting things that are said in jest. i.e. humor. If you can't handle someone bustin your balls...
No, you need to do a better job portraying your words in jest if that's how you mean it to come out.
Should have a put a smiley face in your original post or something to show you weren't being serious.
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Originally posted by Vudak
He's not being egotistical, he's laying out what skill level he is willing to start training at.
A high school teacher wouldn't be as suited for teaching 3rd grade as an elementary school teacher would be. It takes different kinds of people.
A high school teacher wouldn't tell her students that they suck if they can't solve calculus equations either.
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Originally posted by wetrat
Some of you guys really need to do a better job at detecting things that are said in jest. i.e. humor.
Well, you really need to do a better job at writing down things meant in jest in a truly humorous way...
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I don't see why you're all so sensitive :huh In all seriousness, if you don't know how to E fight or scissor, you DO suck, and likely require help fixing that. If that's offensive, fine, so be it... no need to make a big deal of it. If someone wants help from me, great, I'll give it a shot. I'm not going to beg or apologize. Life is too short for this; my offer stands, but I'm done with this hijack.
Originally posted by halcyon
A high school teacher wouldn't tell her students that they suck if they can't solve calculus equations either.
I'm not a teacher.
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:rofl
Muppets are just so misunderstood... :D
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I offer bombing training to anyone interested. Im not a trainer, nor am I the best bomber pilot there is, but I think I can offer some valuable help to new 'Heavy' pilots. If you wanna learn high-altitude precision bombing, just shoot me a PM! And remember, even carpet-bombing can be an art!
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buncha fools
keep the noobs noobified and unabled to set views and check their 6's.
how else am I gona keep getting all these easy kills?
:D
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DammiT Rat I sed I wanna Be A supreme Tater tosser Like you!!!!! :furious
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Originally posted by Simaril
Recently the Training Corps (Bless their busy souls) decided that they no longer had the staffing to schedule 1v1 training sessions.
Simaril, that's not what the posted statment said. A number of people have taken advantage of open training to get 1 on 1 training over the past few weeks. The difference is the method for accessing 1 on 1 training, and that we are expanding into group instruciton.
A player offering thier time to help newer players is of course always a welcome sight.
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Wait a minute.
Kill shooter in the TA??
I gotta hear the logic for this.
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Murdr,
I understand that you can ask for 1v1 training some nights, on a first come first served basis. But you can't plan for it any more. Showing up and hoping has been at least an unpredictable way to access trainers in the past, at least in my experience. It isnt easy to be the first one asking there, and if someone gets going with a trainer then there's no telling when they'll be done, or what will come up for the trainer in the meantime. It's kinda boring to hang around waiting, which is what you're reduced to without there being a schedule.
When I have gotten to work with a trainer in the TA, it seems like after only a short while he's pulled away by questions from the truly new, who A) need to learn how to get in the air if they're going to have any chance of subscribing; and B) don't have the experience to realize that they're interrupting anything.
I have had some good sessions there (I can remember one with TC in F4Us) but on those occasions there have been second trainers in the arena to pick up the slack.
PS Might want to reword the website's announcement, because the way it's written now it sure sounds like individual training has been eliminated
Clinics Have Replaced Individual Training Requests....To efficiently furnish trainer access to the most people, the Training Corps will be providing both topical clinics, and open training sessions.
"Clinics have replaced individual training requests" coupled with the failure to mention any individual activity in what comes afterward sure leaves a strong impression at least. Also have to mention -- I didn't realize there was a change until I was praising the how much I learned from the trainers, and another player said that a month after submutting a request he got an email saying that individual sessions were gone and that he should check out the clinics. (Second hand, no idea of actual wording.)
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Originally posted by Thruster
Wait a minute.
Kill shooter in the TA??
I gotta hear the logic for this.
Killshooter in the DA, which was needed thanks to the vulch dweebs, but also killed off the free for all dogfights. Those often turned into learning opportunities when the really good sticks who kept owning me would explain what I was doing wrong.
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I generally fly in the TA before I head off to the AVA. I'm not an uber pilot but I'm ALWAYS willing to help a truly new guy (or gal) with anything I can to take the load off of the more experienced and better sticks.
New guys (and gals) if you see me in the TA and have any questions or just need a flying target I'm at your service.
Good idea Sim.
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The "training request form" has been retired. To efficiently furnish trainer access to the most people, the Training Corps will be providing both topical clinics, and open training sessions. The schedules will be posted on the Training Calendar, so that everyone can easily find what suits their individual interests and schedules.
That is the one and only web site announcment.
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something i've noticed.........myself and a couple squadies, go to the DA 1 night a week. we simply fly the aircraft that we most commonly come up against, or most commonly fly. this seems to help a LOT.
plus, its fun!!!
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Originally posted by wetrat
I'm not a teacher.
Yes, this is glaringly obvious. Therefore, maybe you shouldn't have chimed in, in the first place?
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Originally posted by Simaril
Killshooter in the DA, which was needed thanks to the vulch dweebs, but also killed off the free for all dogfights. Those often turned into learning opportunities when the really good sticks who kept owning me would explain what I was doing wrong.
Two small corrections here.
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IMO killshootter was not "needed" to provide relief from the "vulch dweebs". HiTech simply did not wish to hear any further requests to provide some type of modest assistance to alleviate 'some' of the more extreme bad behavior. Their response was a sledgehammer solution to a mosquito problem. They couldn't be bothered to, at the very least, add an MOTD similar to the TA (thus giving credence to people telling the dweebs they were doing wrong) as one solution that was asked for, so they punished the many to squelch EVERYONE!
They justified this with the lame excuse of saying the DA was never intended for the way it was being used, even though they knew of, and allowed, it to be used as it was for the previous 15 months (back to the time I joined AH) and most certainly longer before that.
That essentially killed the greater participation and usage of the DA by everyone.
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While there was another base so designated for free-for-all in the DA, the initial spawning base (I believe it was A30) was generally used for friendly 'pick up' 1 v. 1 fights or "duels" where an engagement was first offered then accepted, followed by a standard duelling, neutral merge.
Again, IMO, 97% of the time everyone followed these unofficial "Rules Of Engagement" and taught them to newbs who would listen. This was generally a very well-ordered and polite arena, with only the occasional squeaker dweeb not playing nice. It only got squirrelly for 2-3 weeks after a new commercial-generated influx 2-week freebies, then it would settle down again.
As you previously alluded, this WAS a great place to seek out a more experienced pilot and ask (often by painful, but fun trial and error) for ACM tips and tactics. It WAS a very fun arena and WAS a very useful teaching environment (though HiTech will never admit it).
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I typically visit the TA often when I'm waiting for the stupid arena I want to fly in to open up.
As a recruiter and trainer for my squad, I use this as an opportunity to assist people who ask for help, with an eye towards creating a further relationship should that person prove to have the type of attitude my squad desires (nothing Machiavellian here, we're just looking for nice, sane people, not Darwin Award Winners).
I even help non-recruitable pilots, such as those who are already trapped by the evil bonds of the Rooknits, but who are gallantly trying to resist becoming Bish-snaks on a contineous basis. LOL
Seriously, I will help anyone who asks a real question politely, no matter how simple, so long has they haven't terminally tripped the Squeaker/Idiot meter prevously. While I might not give away ALL my tricks (especially to Rooknits), IMO better pilots make for a better fighting experience for all of us.
P.S. My squad has, as some of the better squads do, written training and combat manuals/material, designated trainers for all combat types, formal training programs and proficiency awards. After our last training cycle, we even had a private KOTH event for trainees hosted for us by Fuzeman. <>