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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: kennyhayes on May 13, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
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WHAT IS THE FREAKIN deal with spits wings evertime i hit a spit anywere with anygun a wing falls off.
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not only that, the spit wings break easily in high G turns. Keep the G meter from going over + 8
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They are, after all, rather light aircraft. Or did you think you could have it all? The rugged durability of an American heavy fighter, and the fairy-like maneuverability of a Japanese featherweight?
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Originally posted by kennyhayes
WHAT IS THE FREAKIN deal with spits wings evertime i hit a spit anywere with anygun a wing falls off.
Its such a beautiful sight....
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the wing loading on a spit was odd with the .303 quite far out in the wing. That weight will affect the structure when it's hit .
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Wait, I picked some squeaker up from listening to kenny, let me see if I can get to him in his terms...
*Ahem*
1t r t3h gai.
or so that hub may understand it,
Man tha' areocraft be all in da' air flyn and cuz it haz dos guns on da tips of dem wings, it makes the wingizzles all freakz like mmkay, and den when you T to the Urn rizzle fizzle day rip off. Peace.
I couldn't help myself.
:D
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(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/tinfoil-hat.jpg)
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The Spit wing was actually quite strong.
As with diving speeds and such, there is no logged record of anything topping the Speed of a Spitfire AND recovering.
(The record breakers are all in the mud)
They break of course, in the end. Estimated was some 12G.
A featherweight scaled down Spit, made in Australia is rated for 6G.
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My guess is that its a perception thing. Most of the Latw War rides (incl the Spits) have 2-4 cannon as armament or 6-8 HMGs. WW2 fighters cannot take a pile of hits on the wing without something bad happening.
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Originally posted by Squire
My guess is that its a perception thing. Most of the Latw War rides (incl the Spits) have 2-4 cannon as armament or 6-8 HMGs. WW2 fighters cannot take a pile of hits on the wing without something bad happening.
Well, yes, that applies to them all.
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yeah ty.
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Originally posted by Squire
WW2 fighters cannot take a pile of hits on the wing without something bad happening.
:huh
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p61/stonewall74/jugdamage.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZVLKePJjnQ&mode=related&search=
Watch the footage from the 2 min mark.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PtH3PVHPmM
My favorite shot ever at the 4:12 mark.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
:huh
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p61/stonewall74/jugdamage.jpg)
Problem is we never see the ones that don't make it home. Sometimes the damage is in the right places to allow the aircraft to remain flyable while being torn up. Other times a single .303 or .50 round takes out something critical and an aircraft that looks nearly unharmed spirals into the ground.
That said, some aircraft were definately better or worse than average at doing so. P-47s and F6Fs compared to A6Ms and Ki-43s.
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I think you mean the 2:12 mark, im assuming you mean the D-9 being downed.
...yes, I think we can all agree some a/c took more damage than others, sure, and many did take a beating and come home, but then again, they do in AH too, for all the complaints of weak wings, we get the same # of cries of "rubber bullets" ect, "the 20mm is too weak", "the 50 is under modelled" ect ect ect...
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The Jug is in Real Life one rugged bird though. Hence also heavy.
The Spit is in the light park, but the wing was absolutely brilliant, - while light it was strong, and elliptical as well for less lift-induced drag.
I have seen pictures of beaten up Spits that landed and still looked a lot worse than that P-47 by the way. But the worst wreck that delivered an operable pilot (in some days) was a P47. (that I have seen)
Same goes with AH as the real world, - hit well and close, - and luckym,- and your foe goes down. I have acturally landed some 5+ kills in a C.202 without finishing the ammo........
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Not trying to be obtuse...
The clip at the 4 minute and whatever I said mark shows a hole that was made by a large caliber flak round, right in the middle of the wing of that Jug.
Just an observation from your post and film--could a lot of those catastrophic explosions in the wing root come from the cannon ammo detonating? I don't know much about the Spits wing spar construction, but I don't think those wings were popping off from merely the German cannon rounds--looked like a secondary type of explosion--maybe?
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Quite possibly. One of the few places they put armor on the Spitfire was in front of the cannon ammo bins. They probably decided to spend the weight there for some quantifiable reason and not just randomly.
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Then again most 43-45 fighters had cannon, did they armor them? I dont know.
I would guess it was a combination of not wanting the ammo to cook off and not wanting an errant bullet to damage the belt/gun system causing a jam or malfunction?
I have never heard of any pilots complaining that ammo would "cook off" when taking fire, mainly they were concerned about fuel tank fires, and being hit themselves in the cockpit.
I admitt I just dont know enough about it.
My guess is that in a non ground attack fighter ala IL-2, it wasnt practicle to add too much armor for such things, as the weight becomes counter productive. In the end, fighters being it by cannon/mg fire are going to go down. Thats just war.
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Spit had an interesting main spar in its wing. It was constructed of many rectangular steel tubes inside the other so that it was not a solid piece which would simply snap if loaded too much, but its behavior was more like that of a spring and it would take lots of load, bend, but not snap.
Just a FYI.
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