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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Fester' on August 28, 2001, 06:14:00 PM
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a lot of goons will auger or bail before your in range if they see you.
if they dont know you are there they wont be able to doo such dweeby things
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No attack on you or what you feel is happening Fester but I find it awfully funny that all of a sudden everyone wants all the goons and buffs to loose external views. Most of the reasons are hilarious in my personal opinion.
I think in that vein we should request that all goons and buffs fly straight and level at an altitude on no more than 5,000 ft and never exceed 180 mph.
(http://home.att.net/~lmluper/markatsig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
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just c47s markAT
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Actually, I think your reasoning is just as funny as the others Fester. If they wanna auger rather than give you the kill, so what? Are you really worried about that .0000005 perks that you just lost? Personally, I will generally stay out of the external views in the goonie because of the fun of flying NOE. But if someone likes to use external for whatever reason, more power to 'em.
Alternatively, if it is decided to take the external view away, how about a view from the perspective of that little glass bubble at the top of the goon. I honestly don't know what that's for, but it looks to me like it'd be good for spotting enemies.
SOB
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didn't c47's have a small bubble window behind the pilot's cabin in rl? if the external view is removed this should be modelled.
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The external view is there to make up for the lack of a LARGE GROUP of buffs and the LARGE NUMBER of eyes they carried. In the same way that buffs deserve them, so do goons.
Quit your WHINING, Fester. ;)
:cool:
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Leave the outside views ESPECIALLY on the C47. Hell...there aint nothing else to do but watch the scenery!
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About the only fun thing about flying a goon is the outside view, watching the scenery.
So NO, dont take away outside view.
I mean come on. nobody is that desperate that they NEED that kill from the 1 goon in 20 that is gona auger rather than get shot down.
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I agree- keep the outside view for the C47's. If the guy wants to auger or whatnot, let him. He just upped in a death-trap for God's sake, don't make it any worse on him.
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Hehe, Cit,
Don't you have hours to be building up, instead of moving these pixels around :)
Cobra
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I think the little round bubble you are referring to, is the Astro-dome. So the navigator could take readings on stars.
Well, that's what i think anyways.
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Dont understand well...... if goon pilot or goonies launch when they see you, you have achieved your goal! they' ll not launch over field, and will not conquer it!
Or isnt this your goal, and you miss something if they act so ??? :D :D :D
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His deal is this (i think), after he cashes in all that altitude to go to the deck and shoot down the rascal in the goon, the goon sees this and decides he would just rather auger or self impose a disconnect than give him the easy kill. So now cit is pissed, and provokes him to make this post.
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Same suggestion I give for other buffs.
Planes withuot many gunner postions or many different crew positions with different points of view should not have any 3D ARCADE outside view. If possible the pilots "6OC' view should be that of the gunner or second crewmember.
The following AH and pssible future planes planes should be in this category.
Ar234
Mosquito
Il2
Stuka
Beufighter
Me410
Me110
C47
Dauntless
Helldiver
Larger buffs or planes that have many gun positions and many possible and different points of view should keep the F3 3D ARCADE view but only if the ability to steer and fly the plane from the 3D view is eliminated.
Basically if you select F3 view the plane goes into locked autopilot level/climb, you can still use it to simulate enhanced SA of many crew eyes but you cant use the unrealistic SA to perform perfect evasives. Use F3 view to see the bandit then jump into cockpit and evade from there.
The following planes should have this setup.
B17
JU88
B26
Lancaster
He177
Ki67 Peggy
Avenger (remember 3 crewmembers with much different view fields)
And so on...
This is the most reasonable solution I can see as of now to adress the unrealistic 3D ARCADE view and related perfect evasives control ablity in AH while still fairly allowing for enhanced SA of having multiple crewmembers with vastly different fields of view.
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F3 view unrealistic?
Ah, perhaps you should look at fighter pilots views if you want to talk unrealistic :)
I assume that each and everyone one of you calling for the ban of F3 will only fly Buffs in the future,right?
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Fester's flown a few goons himself fellas, I don't think he just wants to make them easier kills for himself.
I actually like the idea. It would require the goon driver to seek useful fighter escort.
The exterior views on bombers make up for all the gunners eyes, the C47 didn't have that.
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Now this is silly... :rolleyes:
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no efective escort posible in AH
about F3 for C47 >> well just imagine all druks there are watching trough windows and screaming when u try to kill them :D
[ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: minus ]
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Why iculus?
Think for a second that somebody else proposed it fellas. Would your attitude be different? (I'm not saying it would, just ponder the thought)
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I see no reason to remove C-47 external view.
-- Bombers and C-47s have external view because there are multiple sets of eyes on board that can look around.
-- Fact is any plane can auger if he sees you coming and he doesn't want to give you a kill. You can't prevent that kind dweebery.
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Perk the C47!!! :p
Zippatuh
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If the bombers and C47 F3 views give you views that "multiple eyes" would not get then remove them. When I use F3 I can clearly see everything around my entire plane. Clearly. Now I've never been in a C47, but when I did fly in the Texas Raiders B17 I don't recall being able to see around every inch of the airplane.
I suppose there's no easy answer -- I can use F3 and rotate to views not normally seen by human eyes; I can pretend that F3 simulates "multiple eyes" to the best of it's ability; I can not use F3 and switch from turret to turret; or I can rely on a human gunner to tell me (the pilot) where the cons are.
Not that it makes any difference if I know where the cons are; when I have a human gunner, I don't take severe evasive moves anyways -- it screws up my gunners shots.
Just my opinion.
<edit: On second thought, if I had a gunner in every position in a B17 then I just might be able to see as much as F3 provides, what with the nose, tail, upper, and ball gunners. B17 should be the only one who has F3; these other planes without ball gunners should not be able to see under the plane>
[ 08-29-2001: Message edited by: Fury ]
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Originally posted by hblair:
Fester's flown a few goons himself fellas, I don't think he just wants to make them easier kills for himself.
I actually like the idea. It would require the goon driver to seek useful fighter escort.
The exterior views on bombers make up for all the gunners eyes, the C47 didn't have that.
It's just a pointless restriction IMO, hblair. Whether Fester or Fatty brought up the idea. If a fighter sees a C47, the C47 is dead. If he sees an incoming fighter and wants to auger, what's the big deal? He's dead and won't be dropping troops on your field.
Generating the use of fighter escort really doesn't enter into it...besides, when is the last time you saw a fighter escort stop a determined con from downing a goon? :)
SOB
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Heck, I auger fighters all the time, I think they should lose front view to prevent me taking advantage of that.
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Yeah, lets further make it more impossible to get a country-mate to bring a goon to a dead field.
DOH!
-SW
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Ya the goon didnt have as many eyes as a bomber...only little portholes all along the side with scared paras looking out with eyes as big a saucers.
The stupid things where only to be used in conditions of absolute air superiority...Or in admin areas. We make a totaly vulnerable plane one of the most important in our game...and people want to restrict it further...It has to fly noe to live but we want to make it harder to do so..
I assume that fester was joking.
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It's just a pointless restriction IMO, hblair. Whether Fester or Fatty brought up the idea. If a fighter sees a C47, the C47 is dead. If he sees an incoming fighter and wants to auger, what's the big deal? He's dead and won't be dropping troops on your field.
Generating the use of fighter escort really doesn't enter into it...besides, when is the last time you saw a fighter escort stop a determined con from downing a goon? :)
SOB
I don't care about whether I get a kill on a goon or not. I never mentioned that was my thinking. Matter of fact I augered one last night on a field capture gone bad.
The fighter escort thing I mentioned wasn't for protection, no plane in the game can be effectively escorted in that sense. I was using the term "escort" as a way of watching his six for him from a distance...
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No pongo, you know you want it, quit trying to act like you want exterior views on the goons.
Guys, pongo wants no exterior view available on goons, as does SOB, and SWulfe.
Thanks,
hb
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Originally posted by hblair:
Guys, pongo wants no exterior view available on goons, as does SOB, and SWulfe.
I want external view removed on the C-47 just as much as I like to read what DeeZCamp has to say......
-SW
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Originally posted by SWulfe:
I want external view removed on the C-47 just as much as I like to look at my dot dar and my bar dar (meaning that I don't like either)
-SW
Glad wer'e in agreement again ol buddy.
;)
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Originally posted by hblair:
Look at me! I'm so cool! I can type whatever I want to right here to make it look like SW is saying something else... but then when you look at his post it's entirely different!
Yeah, you're a dork.
-SW
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Remove it
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Aw come on SW, you know I was just kiddin man!
:D
So you think I'm a dork eh?
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Don't make me sick SOB on you.
Get him SOB!
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Originally posted by hblair:
Don't make me sick SOB on you.
Get him SOB!
That doesn't work. You have to plant some strawberry daiquries (sp?) or mild wings on me, then my bellybutton is done for!
-SW
ps: I was joking too.
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Originally posted by hblair:
I actually like the idea. It would require the goon driver to seek useful fighter escort.
The exterior views on bombers make up for all the gunners eyes, the C47 didn't have that.
If a higher plane approaches a buff (b17/lanc/c47, whatever), no amount of fighter protection will prevent the fighter from making one pass. You can be thick as fleas, all armed with Hblair's 'tater gun' or quad hispanos for that matter.
A C47's best defense is stealth. You don't want fighters near you.
The kill of a goon is immaterial - a ditch is just as good (better in some ways) than a kill so far as goons are concerned.
AKcurly