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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: evenhaim on May 15, 2007, 01:11:17 AM
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i would like to see what kinda planes do u fear when in a fight. Lets see im ina fight and see a high la7/ nik, im like uh oh just because its so grr even if flown by a moderate pilot.. Another plane for me is probably the tempest because in the right hands its deadly
you.....
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Bf-109 G-6/14
Its not the uber K-4, its not the well-known G-2, which means its probably being flown by someone who knows the aircraft.
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i agree i have had quite a few great fights with 109 aces
to those guys u know who you arelol
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back when the 56th were knights i used to fear every jug i saw cause it just wasnt a commen plane to fly
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what is there to fear?
every fight is a learning experience.
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It is not fear, the only time i hate one particular plane type, is when you are getting chased by a gang hoard and there are always one or two LA7's amongst them to run you down.
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To me the A6m because it's the only thing that can turn with my A6m :D
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Originally posted by Furball
It is not fear, the only time i hate one particular plane type, is when you are getting chased by a gang hoard and there are always one or two LA7's amongst them to run you down.
I hear that. Trying to run from a horde in my 109K just to see a few spits behind you and LA7s closeing right behind them. You just know your ganna have to turn from the LAs and the spits are ganna get you.
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.. any combination of a plane that turns better than mine, and a plane that is way faster than mine.
A Spit16 or a La-7 is just another meatbag when alone, but the combination of these two in the area makes your world really, really miserable, especially when you are outnumbered.
Some more filthy, disgusting team ups would be:
La-7 + N1K2 : classic AH dweeb combo
La-7 + Ki-84 : 'you're owned' combo
F4U-1C + Seafire : 'it came from the ocean' combo
20k P-38 + 15k Typhoon + deck Spitfire : the "Akak-Damned Group" vulchpick collaboration
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any 38, is he ignorant or good? Usually only takes a few turns to know; but by then, if yer in too deep- its too late.
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Yes but that doesnt meen we need more uber planes. LAs are one of the fastest non perked planes in the game but are rally easy to kill 1v1 unlees your fighting someone good.
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Originally posted by Larry
Yes but that doesnt meen we need more uber planes. LAs are one of the fastest non perked planes in the game but are rally easy to kill 1v1 unlees your fighting someone good.
yea, all the attributes that make it so great in MA bare no contribution in 1on1 fights(old roll eyes).
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Just about all of them.. rusty and sucky
Originally posted by crockett
To me the A6m because it's the only thing that can turn with my A6m :D
Has HTC been tinkering with the Spit 5?
Dunno about now, but 3 or 4 years ago the Spit 5 with a light fuel load could turn with a well flown A6m long enough to wax it.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
i would like to see what kinda planes do u fear when in a fight. Lets see im ina fight and see a high la7/ nik, im like uh oh just because its so grr even if flown by a moderate pilot.. Another plane for me is probably the tempest because in the right hands its deadly
you.....
It's the pilot not the plane. It's a good out numbered turn fight with a B&Z'er in the pack. It's good wing man tactics. It's the 800 yard sprayer. It's the bloody 5 Incher and lastly my own stupidity:eek:
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zekes and hurri's
because I just cannot help but try to turn with them.. its a sickness!
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Mainly flying the Ki84 and liking to turnfight, the planes I'm most worried about are the Zekes and the Hurri IIC, especially the latter, given the 4 hizookas. That, and this one:
Originally posted by Furball
... when you are getting chased by a gang hoard and there are always one or two LA7's amongst them to run you down.
I really hate that. :)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
20k P-38 + 15k Typhoon + deck Spitfire : the "Akak-Damned Group" vulchpick collaboration
ROFL, by golly that is knee slappin' funny right there..........:lol
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Maybe it's because I fly 109s most of the time......but 38s are easy kills
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The Goon. Those tail slaps are a real Killa.
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109F-4
Because of its many strengths, and because of the people who fly it.
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Originally posted by Viking
109F-4
Because of its many strengths, and because of the people who fly it.
Thx.
Anywho.. the only thing i really hate/fear is the manned 5"
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I dont fear the plane, I fear the pilot.
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I find planes more annoying than fearsome:
The La-7 and Tempest picker dweebs (or ANY fast picker dweebs) who blow their position and you get around on, so they run out towards friendlies or field ack and wait for you to pull off before reversing on your six. IF YOU'RE GONNA BUG, THEN ***BUG***
262s and 163s. I don't fear them, but I hate seeing them.
Typhoons or Tempests with an altitude advantage, because no matter HOW close to the speed of light they get them, they always seem able to turn on a dime even AFTER I've cleared their guns.
Guys I spot 10K above me. When I'm cruising at FIFTEEN. There's altitude advantages, and then there's just-plain LUDICROUS.
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Any plane equal to or higher than me that has guns.:rofl :rofl
Edit: If said plane only has one wing its deemed a threat but engagable.:D :D
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Originally posted by Saxman
Guys I spot 10K above me. When I'm cruising at FIFTEEN. There's altitude advantages, and then there's just-plain LUDICROUS.
I guess we can find many guys at 5k saying the same thing about you ;)
Alt-Monkey: Any plane above me, regardless of my own altitude :D
And to get back on topic: The only thing I really do fear is my own dumbness. Kills me more than anything else in this game. :(
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Originally posted by Kweassa
20k P-38 + 15k Typhoon + deck Spitfire : the "Akak-Damned Group" vulchpick collaboration
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I fear the P-38L... I can\'t beat it :(
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I don't fear any plane ... I'm just concerned with the plane(s) on my 6.
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Originally posted by Lusche
... my own dumbness....
Agree, that's my worst enemy, too! :)
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Niki's...
Everything else Is meat but HIgh NIk's are annoying little piecis of **^^#(%^&(*&@$*&#&@#*&%^ :mad: :mad: :furious :furious
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Thx.
What? You fly the 109F? Oh noes! The sanctity of my beautiful 109 is soiled by a ghey Teletubby! :cry
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I fear fighter planes that are above me when I have low E.
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A high Hurri2c
I fear pilots more than planes. One good stick is equal to 3 newbs.. One great stick is equal to a small squad. Two great stick in tempest can clear a sector.
Fly a spit 16 and you really dont have a problem with any other plane in the game but that high hurri..
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anything with a meatball on it, not fear but know it's going to be a pain in the arse. not to much fear in blowing up free planes.
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Try RTB with 54 kills onboard in a tempest and no gas.
Fear does come into plane when you just spent the last hour and half "white knuckled"..
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Easy answer...the 3rd guy in {bad guy}...doesnt matter who he is or what he's flying. Invariably he forces you off the con you've been trying to set up and forces you to give up any offensive capability you generated. He then extends out to 5k or so and rolls back in right when your totally locked in with the other two.
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262 because if I see one while I'm alone there's a high likelyhood I'll die and if I'm in one there's a high likelyhood I'll die.
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Then again in an A-20 you tend to worry about everybody:)....and the thing you fear the most....is the control surfaces on your own plane:huh :cry :o :( :furious :furious :furious
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When I'm in the FM2 I fear nothing. Hmmm maybe I should?
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Originally posted by Platano
Niki's... squeak! squeak! squeak! Nikis!
**^^#(%^&(*&@$*&#&@#*&%^ :mad: :mad: :furious :furious
:p
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I don't "fear" anything, but there are a couple things I don't much like fighting. I hate Yaks. I have no trouble at all out-flying them, but they're so ***** hard for me to hit with 30's. Infuriating things. I have a similar distaste for Tempests... again, not because I can't out-fly them, but because I know they're going to run like hell as soon as they realize they're outmatched.
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i fly the la7 alot...but it is not a plane i fear when i run into one no matter what im in....it is not the best turner by far and its speed can be a huge detriment once "it catches you" if you know how to fly...
what is funny (if you read the "i hate the la7" posts carefully) is that the reason many guys dont like it is because they cant outrun it...there ya have it...THEY want to be in the fastest plane and they cant stand other fast planes that can outturn theirs.
THIS is exactly why i fly the LA7..i LOVE running into a group of uber pilots who run as soon as a coalt/e plane shows up and chasing them down and nailing them to the wall....there is no better plane for it...FWs, P51s, f4u1-Cs etc just cant get away...i.e. YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOUR CAPABILITIES AND HAVE SOME SA.
all this being said...some good SA and tactics (discipline) will allow any decent stick to stay away from faster planes...i flew the 190-a8 last night and landed 12 kills between two consecutive runs...but when faster planes showed up i had to egress if their E was better then mine...and i had to let some kills go bcause turning with them would have bled my E too much...
so everytime i hear/see someone whining about ANY plane...then i know there is an undisciplined pilot and i hope i run into them in the MA...:D
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il2 when im in it;)
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For me it's the P38, usually the G or the J model, I've had my prettythang handed to me numerous times by some really good 38 drivers, guys like corky and pawz come to mind.
Everytime I meet a 38 and he suddenly dissapears and then pops round on your 6, I'm thinking I might as well hit enter 3 times to save the 38 from using ammo.
Quick edit to this, Platano in any 109 is not someone you want to meet either, you'll more than likely be back in the tower before too long.
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Froma base capture point of you.
THe IL-2 is mass. cause I left the bomber hanger up.
THe Niki. Everytime im in the sight getting ready to drop. I hear the tell tale cannon round, forces me out of the scope to see em, 1k out.
The Hi P47, gonna loose one plane before I shoot it down. 2 High 47's, drop all ords fairly quick, cause this is gonna hurt.More then likley were all going down.
190 A8 30 Mil gonna leave a mark. Another drone down.
From the defend point of view, 2 Very High B24's, all hangers going down.
B17, there goes the town, Also could be LANC.
For the other situations, I just take it with how it comes, But Im a Spit dweeb myself.
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La 7+Spit and Me 163.
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Originally posted by FX1
A high Hurri2c
Same here, I hate when one of those things comes in high.
shamus
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My most feared plane is any with a squeaker flying it in my country in range of local vox.
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High zekes and wildcats.
N1ks and Ki-84s are also a ****ing massive pain in the arse.
I have discovered that the Ki-84 is a free lunch when in a 109F
I never seem to be in a 109F when I run into Ki-84s, though.
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I don't "fear" anything....it's a fricken game. I do fear i will loose net connection though:eek:
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If it has guns and can roll/turn worth beans, anything.
Hell i beat planes in SBD-5 with them x2 .50's mounted on the nose, i have slaughterd temps and spit16's with that beast.
Nothing like having your ubber ride jacked up by x2 .50's in a 42 bomber.
Suck it down sucka' mobs.
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i agree its not the plane its the pilot as i am a firm believer in this but yes la7s just annoy me as there are just to simple to kill with.. but yes i fear some peeps.....:noid (not furball cause hes a squirrel)
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the "most feared" plane i think is the LA7,a freeken noob can kill you with it,it keeps up with a -4 on the deck and can keep up with a temp for a shot time period.but it's not the plane it's the person in it.for example,C-hog's not that good but if shawks in it,your allready dead.
VansCrew
CO 352nd Fighter Group.
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the one you can not out maneuver.............but it is not something to fear, it is something you should look toward as a challenge and learning experience.....
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Fear is the wrong word.
I don't like seeing a Hurri IIc or an F4U-1C when I'm low and slow with someone else cause I know it only takes a short burst from those 4 cannon birds to wreck me.
Tiffies cause the same concern as they usually come in at light speed while I'm low and slow and their 4 cannons cause trouble. But I don't see as many Tiffies.
I know what I look for when I'm out and about in the 38G and that's Spit 16s, LA7s N1Ks and Ki-84s.
I get great satisfaction from shooting at those birds in particular :)
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F4U-4 almost never get the better of those things
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Originally posted by Kweassa
.. any combination of a plane that turns better than mine, and a plane that is way faster than mine.
I feel the same way.
I like to fly less-popular planes, and there are plenty of planes that can both outrun and outturn the planes that I usually fly. So, when I'm out of E and getting run down by a plane that can also greatly outturn me, I feel less hopeful about the outcome; and if I'm getting run down by planes faster than mine, followed by planes that can easily outturn me, I see my doom approaching.
Originally posted by Kweassa
F4U-1C + Seafire : 'it came from the ocean' combo
Heh! "It came from the ocean combo" -- I like that. :) Reminds me of a cookbook my girlfriend has with a seafood chapter titled "Horrors from the Briny Deep".
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(Respect) I think is the opperative word here as opposed to fear.
I respect the early war drivers in the late war arena. P40's 109 fs a6m's
These guys get a good looking over before I commit.
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I notice that when a 262 flies over a furball every one is talking about it.................
Doesn't seem to happen for other aircraft...........
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I'm always leary of P40s. Sure, as a plane, they're awful. But that's just it. It breeds uncertainty...what the hell is that guy thinking? It's like the bum on the street with the crazed look in his one lazy eye. Something makes you want to stay away.
Then 5 La7s and 7 Spit 16s dive on him before I can worry anymore about it.
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your right i should reword to honor/ repsect but then again la7s aint that honarable, i usually have no trouble with 262s i almost never die to them unless im afk because those dweebs just fly to fast plus i try a slipt s to immelin and get on his 6 and call him out on chnl 200 saying quite runnin ya noob 262, usually brings em back long enough for them to lose 1 engine or a wing then i finish em. Chog- hurri2c for sure but i can outspeed the chog at most alts in my pony hurri is a nat but same applies nose down and pray, and yes i take most dogfights as learning experiences especially against my friends who are more skilled or learned, btw Benny those were some fun fights the other day lol. Ty for all your input guys<
> keep it coming
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I have yet to fear a particular fighter plane. There are a few I find annoying. If we are talking one vs. one, I literally will take on anyone. The only fear I get are from people with multiple 20mm hispanos (hurris, typhys, temps, chogs...) who will literally take any sort of hail mary shot on you (spray and pray), virtually from any distance, as it only takes one of those suckers landing on your plane to ruin the fight.
I do have a list of annoying planes, but only if I find them in combination with others. A Hurri IIC or A6M mixed up with a bunch of others, generally not a happy thing. LAs I could care less about, but they are annoying in furballs as they are usually flown by someone who will take any shot on anyone regardless of what sort of position they will be in at the outcome... the typical noob that plows through a furball at 400mph, takes one or two planes, before being popped because he didnt really care about surviving the fight. Me262s are annoying because you cant relax your SA... they are so damn quick!
So what do I fear? Really high bombers with a good gunner. Having drastically reduced degraded aircraft performance due to high altitude coupled with 6+ .50 caliber machines with pin point accuracy pointed at you is not fun. If after one pass (and no, I am not the guy who approaches bombers from their six o'clock on level flight) you get the sense the gunner is any good, just bug off and let them bomb...
Emu
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Originally posted by frosty
I'm always leary of P40s. Sure, as a plane, they're awful. But that's just it. It breeds uncertainty...what the hell is that guy thinking? It's like the bum on the street with the crazed look in his one lazy eye. Something makes you want to stay away.
Then 5 La7s and 7 Spit 16s dive on him before I can worry anymore about it.
Ahh...but the P-40 is not awful, its great, you have to know how to use it.
Which makes the same point I and several others made, its NOT the plane its the pilot. I dont care what kind of plane is above, below or beside me, I worry about who is behind the stick.
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Originally posted by Grits
I dont fear the plane, I fear the pilot.
Agreed. Generally, if I see one of those really "weak" A/C in one of the MAs, I fear it. Only the good sticks fly the crappy planes.
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Originally posted by Yippee38
Agreed. Generally, if I see one of those really "weak" A/C in one of the MAs, I fear it. Only the good sticks fly the crappy planes.
Agreed. Worry about the plane that looks a lot inferior to yours.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Grits
Ahh...but the P-40 is not awful, its great, you have to know how to use it.
Which makes the same point I and several others made, its NOT the plane its the pilot. I dont care what kind of plane is above, below or beside me, I worry about who is behind the stick.
especially when it's a horde of pilots behind the stick....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhU8PQ5ojo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhU8PQ5ojo)
:D
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lmao soda classic gritts u crazy fiend lol
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Love your avatar Nilsen. :rofl
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Originally posted by Grits
Ahh...but the P-40 is not awful, its great, you have to know how to use it.
Which makes the same point I and several others made, its NOT the plane its the pilot. I dont care what kind of plane is above, below or beside me, I worry about who is behind the stick.
I think every post should be implicity preceded with "pilot skill being equal".
"Pilot skill being equal", the P40 is awful relative to most other fighters.
Yes, the pilot matters, but the popular implication that it's ALL that matters seems pretty unrealistic. It's illogical. It's the pilot AND the plane.
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I hate ki-84's and hurris.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
lmao soda classic gritts u crazy fiend lol
Its even funnier in the raw AH film because you cant see all of them on that video. I counted once and I think it was me vs 28 Knights. :)
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rofl biggest fight ive won was a 5 on a 1 and i had advantage so they all died but then again i usually come in barely on top of lots o furballs so i must had quite a few times rtbing while scissoring the whole way back or avoiding bnzs from like 10-15 players unless skats there then i rtb safe lol:aok
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A high F4U-1.
Only people that know how to fly this plane actually fly it, and if I see it chances are I'll get smoked.
Most of the noobs and dweebs that play this game always get the "latest" model because they think just because it says P-47N it's better then the P-47D-40 (everyone knows the best jug is the D25 ;).
"N > D yo!!! lololoz"........ :rofl
I always laugh when I see swarms of P-47Ns on the deck, light P-38Ls trying to turnfight, Yak9T wasting all his ammo in one burst (same with the Hurri2D), and La7s and Spit 16s (the classic dweeb planes).
I lose respect for established pilots and vets landing kills in La7s and Spit 16s. If you're already a vet you don't need to fly either aircraft to land kills.
I have MUCH respect for pilots that fly: F4U-1s, F4Fs, FM2s, 109G series, 109E, 109F, Ki161, P40B and E models, P-47D-25, P-38G and J models, Spit 5 (usually I chalk a Spit 1 and a Hurri 1 up to a noob who doesn't know any better...bless their poor souls), 190A-5, Ju-87, C.202, and the B5N....anyone flying a bomber with only 1 rear gun deserves a handshake.
Great planes that sometimes give me trouble (and I also love to fly these) are the C.205, Ki-84, Spit 8, P-47D-25, F4U-4, F4U-1A, and the F6F.
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THIS (http://www.planebuzz.com/american-retro-classic-pedal-plane-american-airlines-airplane-ride-on.jpg) is the most feared plane ... :confused:
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lmao fo sho
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Originally posted by EsX_Raptor
THIS (http://www.planebuzz.com/american-retro-classic-pedal-plane-american-airlines-airplane-ride-on.jpg) is the most feared plane ... :confused:
Looks like I just found my new toy. :p
BTW do you have to buy your own guns or do they come included.:D
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Originally posted by Larry
BTW do you have to buy your own guns or do they come included.:D
I think you need to spit at your target. That's how the dweeby spitfairies get started don't they?
LOL
-dalgurak
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Any one plane doesnt make me nervous since it could be a new guy in a Tempest and an ace in a c47. You never know. What makes me sweat is getting trapped by a fast plane, and forced to manuever long enuff that a hurri or a6m can join in. Then it gets interesting.
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Lay off the spit 16 will ya..
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I don't really fear any plane, it's the trees that get me.
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lol fx has got his teeth out grrr:aok
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I fear only to see no planes at all.
There is nothing more frustrating than flying 30 minutes without any chance to fight.
On the 20th minute with almost empty tanks I will be happy to see even Hurry on high six of my Ki84
K/D/ is not a problem, K/S is the problem.
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Originally posted by FBplmmr
zekes and hurri's
because I just cannot help but try to turn with them.. its a sickness!
thats so awesome, when im in my hurri i try to use the greed of my nme to start to turn with me.ive gone so far as to turn my 6 to em lol
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Originally posted by FX1
A high Hurri2c
I fear pilots more than planes. One good stick is equal to 3 newbs.. One great stick is equal to a small squad. Two great stick in tempest can clear a sector.
Fly a spit 16 and you really dont have a problem with any other plane in the game but that high hurri..
ive killed 262s 163s and every other plane in the 'ol hurri. by far my favorite plane, just wish it was a little faster, okay maybe alot faster. so when i want speed i go to the 190s, i cant get over the roll rate of those.
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The difference in a Hurri and a zeke is that a Hurri can keep control in a dive were a zeke will lock up. If the person in the Hurri knows not to overshoot their is really nothing that can be done especially if their is no air between you and the ground..
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Originally posted by Grits
Which makes the same point I and several others made, its NOT the plane its the pilot. I dont care what kind of plane is above, below or beside me, I worry about who is behind the stick. [/B]
the perfect, absolutely perfect way of thinking.
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Yeah, surely Grits and the other ones are right, the pilot makes the difference between an easy fight and a hellish nightmare, but the spirit of the thread is not this.
The above is given for granted.
But we all have (IMO, at least) some planes of which, when seen approching, we immediately think "Oh, crap, not an , not now!".... especially if you're in a furball and outnumbered. What plane/planes is/are that? That's the topic! ;)
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exactly gianlupo:aok
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
But we all have (IMO, at least) some planes of which, when seen approching, we immediately think "Oh, crap, not an , not now!".... especially if you're in a furball and outnumbered. What plane/planes is/are that? That's the topic! ;)
One I hate in the "outnumbered furball" scenario: the F6F. If I'm in that furball, my strategy is to hopefully take guys down quickly with snapshots and lucky critical hits to even the odds, because there just isn't time to sit on anyone's 6 for long. The F6F pretty much rules this out, as the thing is a freaking bullet sponge. And on top of that, it's not a bad fighter to boot. Pain. In. The. Butt. The FM-2 poses a similar challenge, but at least it's slow.
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...all things being equal,...a Bf109 K-4.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
back when the 56th were knights i used to fear every jug i saw cause it just wasnt a commen plane to fly
BTW FYI....we are knight :p :t
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slayer yo aint no 56th ya dweeb!:lol :aok
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the ground always wins
my fav. is the fm2 tho cause most are not afraid of it till it wears you down,
and the smart ones stay away from it, unless they know how it works!!
im not that good of a pilot but in that fm2 i see alot of guys that are worse!:aok
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Actually after some thought Id have to say I fear...well, I fear dying to an LA7. Because its always the plane that chases ya down when you are rtb with low gas/ammo/damaged and hes hellbent on killin ya. I say the LA7 because it can catch most planes, turn with most planes, and the lethality of those 3 cannons make it so the pilot skill level can be below average and still there is a risk.
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i agre
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I'd have to say a well-flown Ki-84. For some reason, I just can't take em down as efficiently as other planes. Against an La-7, at least I can make it overshoot, but the Ki-84 pilots just drop throttle and are ready to attack my F4U-1A which has got gear out and flaps down.
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More often than not I find that it’s an experienced pilot behind the controls that inspires fear, not the plane he or she flies. Although, I typically keep my distance from Zeros and Hurricanes at co-alt since I never fly anything that can turn with them. I have also seen many Il-2s and Tempests flown by very skilled pilots.
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It really is the pilot.. not the plane....I get nervous about running out of ammo ...I fear my x-wife calling!
good friends! 999000
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HurrII + La7 combo
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When i'm flying my dora, I especially fear P51's that are higher than me... and LA7's in general since the fight is always on the deck.
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The tater slingers. Anything that can lob a single watermelon at you and end your flight is scary imho... ;) Everything else is meat on the table...
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I stink at this game. :furious
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I've recently only had troubles when i'm fighting 2 planes or more and one is a good turner and the other has plenty of E. Avoiding the high E plane puts me square in the sights of the slow turner, its frustrating.
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Any good pilot that knows his or her plane very well :)
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I understand that everyone like to voice their oppinion but whats with this resent trend of dragging old
THREADS
out ?
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Originally posted by LYNX
I understand that everyone like to voice their oppinion but whats with this resent trend of dragging old
THREADS
out ?
I admit, I was guilty of doing once or twice. I was going back to read some of the old topics and replied so it brought those ones back IN so i'll take that blame as well
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Originally posted by bongaroo
I've recently only had troubles when i'm fighting 2 planes or more and one is a good turner and the other has plenty of E. Avoiding the high E plane puts me square in the sights of the slow turner, its frustrating.
When that happens, I prefer to concentrate on the turner. Usually, the plane with most E will try to pick you and will extend 2/3 kilo (if not more) before repeating... that gives you time to try to finish the other one. Of course, you'll have to keep an eye on the E plane and be ready to start evasive action as soon as he's within 1k from you.
That's how I handle that kind of situation. Any other ideas? (provided that you don't want/can't run away, of course ;) )
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i fly the la7 alot...but it is not a plane i fear when i run into one no matter what im in....it is not the best turner by far and its speed can be a huge detriment once "it catches you" if you know how to fly...
what is funny (if you read the "i hate the la7" posts carefully) is that the reason many guys dont like it is because they cant outrun it...there ya have it...THEY want to be in the fastest plane and they cant stand other fast planes that can outturn theirs.
THIS is exactly why i fly the LA7..i LOVE running into a group of uber pilots who run as soon as a coalt/e plane shows up and chasing them down and nailing them to the wall....there is no better plane for it...FWs, P51s, f4u1-Cs etc just cant get away...i.e. YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOUR CAPABILITIES AND HAVE SOME SA.
all this being said...some good SA and tactics (discipline) will allow any decent stick to stay away from faster planes...i flew the 190-a8 last night and landed 12 kills between two consecutive runs...but when faster planes showed up i had to egress if their E was better then mine...and i had to let some kills go bcause turning with them would have bled my E too much...
so everytime i hear/see someone whining about ANY plane...then i know there is an undisciplined pilot and i hope i run into them in the MA...:D
It's not the La-7, it's your herd of pals just behind it. Plus I seem to
remember alot of whining coming from you when a fast guy pops your
cherry, even in a crowd.
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The plane I fear the most is the one that runs away. I don't really much care if I get my bellybutton handed to me in a basket, but I LOVE the opportunity to TRY.
Which is why I fly the LA7 alot. Its not because its an 'insta-kill' machine. Its because I can catch dang near anything with it. And one I catch them, the fight is on.
Win or lose, thats what its all about. The fight.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
i would like to see what kinda planes do u fear when in a fight. Lets see im ina fight and see a high la7/ nik, im like uh oh just because its so grr even if flown by a moderate pilot.. Another plane for me is probably the tempest because in the right hands its deadly
you.....
:rofl
non, but when I see a high D9 or Temp I know my time will be wasted since they will wait for me to get in to a fight before they come in for the pick :rofl
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The one I fear most is the one with me in it...lol...not cos i'm going to go on a rampage and shoot loads of people down, but because I'm waiting for the next sod to come shoot me down, or a bush to reach up and grab me, or a mountain to suddenly move and muller me, they do that you know...lol......errrr, maybe...
Wurzel
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C47 with troops
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Originally posted by Jackal1
The Goon. Those tail slaps are a real Killa.
LMAO! u been tail slapped by them? how it feel?
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P39
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i woiuld fear 39 w/ u in it
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:huh
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It cracks me up seeing L.A.P-League of Airacobra pilots in signatures, just as funny as seeing "Flying since Tour XX". Talk about your lemmings...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
it's not the plane it's the person in it.for example,C-hog's not that good but if shawks in it,your allready dead.
VansCrew
CO 352nd Fighter Group.
I go with the person it in rather then the plane no matter what it is. You can normally tell after first merge whether you have a fight on your hands or not.
As for the C-Hog not being that good. You have to be kidding? It's one of the very best rides in the game. Why do you think it's perked? As for "if Shawk is in it your already dead", nice little self promo for your Co but really if he's flying around in a 4 gun perk ride 1v1 other then Temps he really doesn't have anything else to worry about.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It cracks me up seeing L.A.P-League of Airacobra pilots in signatures, just as funny as seeing "Flying since Tour XX". Talk about your lemmings...
ack-ack
+1
Cracks me up as well, will be interesting to see just how many L.A.P pilots fly it as a sole ride three months out from release. As for "Flying since Tour xx" explains a great deal.
...-Gixer
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Gixer, we never said we would be flying it "sole Ride" ever talk to a member of the SAPP? isnt the SAPP supposed to be about the passion of flying the 38? that wat the LAP will be, just w/ the 39
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Originally posted by uberslet
Gixer, we never said we would be flying it "sole Ride" ever talk to a member of the SAPP? isnt the SAPP supposed to be about the passion of flying the 38? that wat the LAP will be, just w/ the 39
Passion of flying the 38 and that's all they fly or atleast their stats reflect the 38 being their main ride and all credit to them. If LAP is going to be the 39 that's great, nice to have a community to share information on a interesting aircraft. But in doing so as a LAP member one would expect your stats to reflect that passion for the 39.
Hence my comment, will be interesting to see how many are still flying the 39 as such three months out from release. My expectation is it will have the usual (new release) popularity but will dwindle down to a few hardcore pilots after a few months that fly it as their main ride.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by evenhaim
i would like to see what kinda planes do u fear when in a fight. Lets see im ina fight and see a high la7/ nik, im like uh oh just because its so grr even if flown by a moderate pilot.. Another plane for me is probably the tempest because in the right hands its deadly
you.....
reguardless of what i'm flying........anything more than 2k higher than me.......otherwise, it generally becomes a very fun fight.
don't forget....ANY plane is very deadly in the right hands..........:aok
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Originally posted by crockett
To me the A6m because it's the only thing that can turn with my A6m :D
crockett..which one you like better>? i like the 5B, but it doesn't seem to turn quite as well as the 2? but..it is much faster...it just handles like crap at speed.......
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a Yak
because:
A: ive flow it and know what it can do.
B: most the guys that fly it have their ish together.
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Originally posted by uberslet
Gixer, we never said we would be flying it "sole Ride" ever talk to a member of the SAPP? isnt the SAPP supposed to be about the passion of flying the 38? that wat the LAP will be, just w/ the 39
If the P-39 is a passion of yours then all the power to you and I hope your group has fun but the majority will do so because it's the "flavor of the month" and nothing more. A status symbol. Sadly, the reasons why some of these groups were formed have been lost on a lot of those when creating their clubs.
ack-ack
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I'm sorry but this "it's not the plane it's the pilot" crap is just that...CRAP.
While I do agree that you are ultimately responsible for putting yourself in the position to get shot down and having an experienced "pilot" (i guess that's what we call gamers now)LOL-on the other end your chance's of surviving will drop dramatically and it still doesn't mean the "plane" has nothing to do with it. If your in a turn fight and your using a zeke as opposed to a Dora then you probably are going to have a better chance at winning that fight aren't you? Ya-I'm thinking so....even if you are a newb. You will never convince me that you need "skill" to move a joystick around sitting at your computer...You just need to know WHERE to move it and when. Granted, you shouldn't be turn fighting with a Dora in the first place so there is where the "it's not the plane, it's the pilot" stuff comes in. I will fight anything in anything just because it's a game and I don't "fear" anything in a GAME. But, if I had to pick which I think would be the easier kill between a experienced gamer using a Dora and a newb using a Zeke (while I was using a pony)....I would definately say the Dora. So, this "good pilot"LOL theory is crap.
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I hope our 3 way 262 30mm crossfire didn't scare you last night freez :p
After your attempt at spraying on me (fair enough i do that also to biatches in 262s all the time) i killed the throttle and rode your six just as I pumped up some 30 mm sprites into your fuselage, I hear my wingmen cutting across from either direction both nailing you. It wasn't a nice spot :)
I didn't even get an assist after seeing the sprites and the explosion ! lol
Steal killing bastiges mwahaha!
Bruv
~S~
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F4U
Spit VIII/IX
N1k
Assuming they are higher/more E. The Hurri IIc is almost there but usually it's just too slow to be a threat. Of course, any decent pilot in any decent plane diving on your six can give you trouble, but the planes above are the ones that make me think "oh for ****s sake"
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any ole plane scares my dumb#@%#$
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Originally posted by Bucky73
.......... You will never convince me that you need "skill" to move a joystick around sitting at your computer...You just need to know WHERE to move it and when..........
This quote blows ALL of your reasoning out of the water!
This is a game....as you said, the "skill" IS "where to move it and when" and seeing as the cartoon plane isn't the one deciding where and when, it must be the "player".
So i guess what your trying to say is it really IS the pilot, not the plane:D
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Originally posted by Raptor
HurrII + La7 combo
Agreed
Bucky seems confused. He says there is no skill involved then says what skills are required..... strange.
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Maybe it's because I fly 109s most of the time......but 38s are easy kills
The you haven't met up with Fringe, Soulyss, or Lazer in a 38. I am sure you would change your opinion after fighting any of them in their 38's. You might kill them, but there is nothing easy about it.
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Spazz
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Originally posted by Spazzter
The you haven't met up with Fringe, Soulyss, or Lazer in a 38. I am sure you would change your opinion after fighting any of them in their 38's. You might kill them, but there is nothing easy about it.
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Spazz
Well duh!!!! 3 38s are hard to take down :rofl
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Originally posted by Bucky73
You will never convince me that you need "skill" to move a joystick around sitting at your computer...You just need to know WHERE to move it and when.
Err.. So isn't that the skill then? Unless the planes are flown by bots it's always going to be the pilot.
...-Gixer
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The 5 eny planes are the least frightening because they are usually flown by Dweeb horders. I fear f4u's and 109 k-4. Also, ki-84's that are at 15k.
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When I fear I look for these things:
1. Typhs, which in most cases, are Temps.
2. what country they are in, If its a knight jug, I'm afraid that it is JensK or if its a rook 109, it usually is one of the muppets.
3. spixteens
4. LA-7
5. Nikis
Thats about the most scariest things that I usally don't want to fight. I'm usually not afraid of any other 190's because I am good in them.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well duh!!!! 3 38s are hard to take down :rofl
No they aren't. 38's are lunch me for me Hog. hehehehe.
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Originally posted by AKDogg
No they aren't. 38's are lunch me for me Hog. hehehehe.
What, was I supposed to say "at the same time"? I thought it was implied :lol
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