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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Odee on May 15, 2007, 01:24:52 PM
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How many .50 caliber BMG rounds does it take to break a Samurai sword?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HO8Ot10hIiA&mode=related&search=
I was amazed, that it was more than 1 and less than 15!
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Hardened steel is tough, I'm not shocked at the number of rounds.
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:O
(speechless...)
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how many rounds actually "hit" the blade? Was not a controlled experiement but a spray and pray event.
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Originally posted by Odee
How many .50 caliber BMG rounds does it take to break a Samurai sword?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HO8Ot10hIiA&mode=related&search=
I was amazed, that it was more than 1 and less than 15!
What'daya mean less than 15? That was a good 50 round belt he tore off there.
Only takes 1 round that actually hits to break a sword, especially if using API (Armor Piercing Incendiary).
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It only took 1 round to make it useless.
It took 15+ to hit the target.
Just another reason .50's in Ah do not kick enough,period.
Well at any rate,when they show the slow mo, and you see how many rounds came close.
Watch the one round that splits up into like 25+ little parts.
man someone would have been hurt badly by that.
Cool movie
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Originally posted by Yeager
how many rounds actually "hit" the blade? Was not a controlled experiement but a spray and pray event.
7 rounds
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Well, first ya gotta hit it.
Try the same with a .50 BMG sniper rifle. Answer: one shot.
Conversely, how many samurai swords does it take to tear up a .50 cal machinegun? Answer: All of them.
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The rounds fired appeared to be lead, and hardened steel WILL cut lead.
In accordance to the VIDEO PROVIDED, it took 7 rounds.
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Japanese swords are seriously overrated. Don't believe the hype.
http://www.thearma.org/Videos/Blunt_Bastard-Sword_onBamboo.MOV
A samurai warrior would stand little chance against an armoured European knight.
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Just another reason .50's in Ah do not kick enough,period.
That was a flex mounted M2 lightly sandbagged on the tripod. To qualify with the M2, as I remember, one requirement was to get a burst on target (and one smaller than an aircraft) at 1000 meters in under 14 rounds. Wasn't all that hard to do with even a flex mounted weapon, especially one mounted to an M113. You also trained to engage moving targets at 900 meters with a flex mounted stationary weapon. Personally, as far as "kick" is concerned I found the M2 to be somewhat boring since even flex mounted there was little actual kick. Grabe the spades, push the butterfly, gustimate and walk in rounds. The exception to that was firing it without the tripod sandbagged, which was a bad idea and a bit exciting. The M60 on its bipod was far more exciting to shoot.
Charon
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
It only took 1 round to make it useless.
It took 15+ to hit the target.
Just another reason .50's in Ah do not kick enough,period.
Well at any rate,when they show the slow mo, and you see how many rounds came close.
Watch the one round that splits up into like 25+ little parts.
man someone would have been hurt badly by that.
Cool movie
Actually it looked like it took several in the same spot before it finally failed.
I personally liked the one that the bullet sliced in two
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Originally posted by Viking
Japanese swords are seriously overrated. Don't believe the hype.
http://www.thearma.org/Videos/Blunt_Bastard-Sword_onBamboo.MOV
A samurai warrior would stand little chance against an armoured European knight.
Cept for they would be more agile and manuverable then the armoured knight
not to mention they would have superiour vision
And not all portions of an armored knights body were armored
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
7 rounds
yuppers... they gave the count near the end.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
What'daya mean less than 15? That was a good 50 round belt he tore off there.
Only takes 1 round that actually hits to break a sword, especially if using API (Armor Piercing Incendiary).
Sorry... less than 15 hits...
Now playing... Versus 9mm (http://youtube.com/watch?v=pNiX_l-HEGM&mode=related&search=) And do you really think in a Knight vs. Samurai (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z8sSi1DyVcA&mode=related&search=) encounter that the Knight would win?
What it does to FORENSICS Body Mold (http://youtube.com/watch?v=u8Kv0y4sTDE&mode=related&search=)
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Originally posted by Viking
A samurai warrior would stand little chance against an armoured European knight.
In close-in fighting, Samurai warrior would run circles around the heavy armored knites. The heavy 10/20-pound knite sword would be too slow to get the Samurai warrior.
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Excellent writeup here:
http://www.thehaca.com/essays/knightvs.htm
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Originally posted by 1K3
In close-in fighting, Samurai warrior would run circles around the heavy armored knites. The heavy 10/20-pound knite sword would be too slow to get the Samurai warrior.
A typical broadsword did not weigh more than a katana, and a typical longsword did not weigh more than a no dachi. Also the European full plate or gothic plate armour did not weigh more than the samurai's armour, but were nearly impervious to sword blows. Also the katana, while excellent for cutting flesh, were ill suited to piercing armour. Something the straight, double edged and pointy european swords were designed to do.
Here’s a demonstration of the mobility of a greatsword, one of the heaviest swords used by knights:
http://www.thearma.org/Videos/mov37.mpg
Originally posted by Odee
And do you really think in Knight vs. Samurai encounter that the Knight would win?
It is all speculation of course, but I think the knight would have the upper hand in any armoured combat. Unamoured the samurai probably would be the superior warrior.
Cutting straw mats is not anything like cutting through steel plate or mail. Also the ability to cut through a straw mat roll is not anything special, most swords can do it. However pop culture would have you believe differently.
http://www.thearma.org/photos/Gathering03/G03Vids/AVIs/Blunt_cutting.avi
European swords against a mule carcass:
http://thearma.org/Videos/sword_test_cutting.mov
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Originally posted by Viking
European swords against a mule carcass:
http://thearma.org/Videos/sword_test_cutting.mov
P.E.T.A.* would be crying foul if they see that video:p :aok
*People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA)
The largest animal rights organization in the world.
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If the mule was still alive I could see that happening. ;)
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Easy. The Medieval Knight would just trample the Samurai with his horse.
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Well, the samurai fought mounted as well. ;) They had perhaps the world's finest horse archers.
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Ok.. so any sword will cut bamboo and..
It only takes one .50 round to put a hole in a jap sword. I would say a 9mm would do the trick too if it shot the sword in the flat and not the edge.
I have seen 45 slugs get chopped in half by an axe blade... mild steel.. the trick was to hit the edge... it wasn't to prove how tough the axe blade was.
lazs
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my ninja can beat your samurai.:p
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Originally posted by Viking
Well, the samurai fought mounted as well. ;) They had perhaps the world's finest horse archers.
Wow! they must have been some clever horses!
How did they pick up the arrows with their hooves?
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Originally posted by Viking
Japanese swords are seriously overrated. Don't believe the hype.
http://www.thearma.org/Videos/Blunt_Bastard-Sword_onBamboo.MOV
A samurai warrior would stand little chance against an armoured European knight.
thats laughable
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Oh yeah, ink is a samurai. He once killed 6 water bottles with his katana.
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From what I've read, "Master" swordsman were routinely picked apart by squares of spear armed peasants in feudal Japan.
That blade can be as sharp as you want, but it's not going to get you through a hedgehog of pointy sticks.
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unless you cut the pointy sticks with your ubersword?
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Originally posted by Furball
unless you cut the pointy sticks with your ubersword?
I'd imagine if it were that easy, I'd have read about their glorious victory, instead of their untimely death. :)
off topic a bit, but I read recently that Britian was banning samurai swords. You'll need a special permit to be able to collect ancient swords. Don't think there was a provision for anything currently made like you could get at a mall shop. :lol
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If i collected swords i would be annoyed.
But i dont. I do admit that it is a bit stupid.
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Originally posted by Furball
Oh yeah, ink is a samurai. He once killed 6 water bottles with his katana.
you totaly missed the point:noid
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i was just letting the others know in case they didnt follow the thread in GD forum.
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i once killed 50 men with my samarai, i only got 12 with my armoured European knight sword.
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Originally posted by Furball
i was just letting the others know in case they didnt follow the thread in GD forum.
did you follow the thread? seems not
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i got bored after the first few pages and stopped paying attention.
but i was there when you said you had a katana, that is you in your avatar, and that you chopped through 6? water bottles.
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Samurai were extremely formidable warriors when faced against other samurai.
East asian cultures seem to have a greater propensity than even ours to merge history and religion with legend.
I just realized that there is a "historical" movie with ninjas in it, lmao.
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Originally posted by Furball
i got bored after the first few pages and stopped paying attention.
but i was there when you said you had a katana, that is you in your avatar, and that you chopped through 6? water bottles.
That's a dude in his Avatar?
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Originally posted by ink
thats laughable
Wow what a convincing argument! You're just another victim of popular culture.
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Originally posted by indy007
From what I've read, "Master" swordsman were routinely picked apart by squares of spear armed peasants in feudal Japan.
That blade can be as sharp as you want, but it's not going to get you through a hedgehog of pointy sticks.
Perhaps but the scenareo was "A" Samuri Vs "A" midevil armoured knight