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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ink on May 17, 2007, 01:48:21 PM
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is there the status of "ace" in this game? if so how does one become one?
i know in WW2 it took 5 killz, its just not the same in here, I've been flying in AH for close to 4 years now and cant recall it ever being discussed.
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no.
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I cant wait to see everyones INput on this
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I've seen a few Ace Holes in the arenas.
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Well, getting 5 kills in a spit is normal. Try getting them in a P-47.
What do I get, then, for landing 12 kills in a C202? I landed 16 in a C205, does that make me a Super Ace?
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I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.
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Originally posted by kamilyun
I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.
Yep fly with dextur and Axer they are true aces!
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Yeah, I kinda veiw an "ace" as a certain skill level more so then kill #. Even rank isn't always a good way to see ones skills.
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You Rang?
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Originally posted by kamilyun
I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.
Rank means squat.
No, I take that back. Rank means you game the game, fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you, and you milk-run in the EWA and MWA to get a better ranking. Then you score exclusively in "attack" mode after you die once so as not to ruin your chance at the #1 rank.
So, rank means a lot, the lower it gets, but it actually doesn't mean you're an "ace".
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Originally posted by Krusty
What do I get, then, for landing 12 kills in a C202? I landed 16 in a C205, does that make me a Super Ace?
No, makes you a dweeb rofllol:D
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Rank means you game the game, fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you,
hehe
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Originally posted by Krusty
Well, getting 5 kills in a spit is normal. Try getting them in a P-47.
What do I get, then, for landing 12 kills in a C202? I landed 16 in a C205, does that make me a Super Ace?
I think it makes you a cartoon airplane superstar.
You can put the trophy right next to your Counterstrike fragmaster one.
;)
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Originally posted by Krusty
fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you,
who's definition of "ace" are we using? i imagine in WW2 this is probably the indoc speech all new pilots would have gotten.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I think it makes you a cartoon airplane superstar.
Woohoo!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Well, getting 5 kills in a spit is normal. Try getting them in a P-47.
What do I get, then, for landing 12 kills in a C202? I landed 16 in a C205, does that make me a Super Ace?
NO:( Makes you a lucky vulcher
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Actually in the case of landing 12 in a 202 there was no vulching, all of it was fair. In the case of the 205 I think only 2-3 were vulched, the rest were fair.
I've done runs of 13 in a 190 before, but they were mostly all vulches :D :D :D (which is why I didn't list 'em)
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Considering how much "rank" can be gamed, I'd work for reputation instead. Get yourself a reputation as someone who is a good stick, who will take on a dirty job now and again, and who is fun to fly with. That matters a whole lot more than rank as far as I am concerned.
If you get yourself a reputation (as so many channel 200 mouths do) as a running, whining, cherry-picking dweeb, you can be sure that will distinguish you in the game far better than your rank does.
EagleDNY
$.02
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Originally posted by EagleDNY
Considering how much "rank" can be gamed, I'd work for reputation instead. Get yourself a reputation as someone who is a good stick, who will take on a dirty job now and again, and who is fun to fly with. That matters a whole lot more than rank as far as I am concerned.
If you get yourself a reputation (as so many channel 200 mouths do) as a running, whining, cherry-picking dweeb, you can be sure that will distinguish you in the game far better than your rank does.
EagleDNY
$.02
DWEEB!:cool:
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I landed 34 in a F4U1-C once without a rearm. Those vulches were good.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Rank means squat.
No, I take that back. Rank means you game the game, fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you, and you milk-run in the EWA and MWA to get a better ranking. Then you score exclusively in "attack" mode after you die once so as not to ruin your chance at the #1 rank.
I've got a low overall rank (if you count under 100 low) and, while I'll never say never I've, for the most part, gotten it fighting in the LWA's (although I did play in MW one night helping some others with some base captures... not at undefended bases though). I do spend about 1-2 nights per camp in EW or MW so I can get a few "fair" fights in in some EW birds. Other than that it's all LW.
You just have to pick your places, times and missions and do everything that's available to do in the game. I don't consider that "gaming the game" I consider it "playing the game".
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my best is 9 killz on one sortie with some vulches, 6 killz with no vulches{landed}.both in the hurri2c.
i don't feel rank shows the true capabilities of sticks, but if you look further into that sticks stats, then you can see were they excel or not.
i try to fly with honor, but its hard in MA's, it seems like everyone goes for the HO, i know not everyone does, but more do then don't, so now when i start a sortie i say to myself "avoid the HO avoid the HO avoid the HO"
still get sucked into it sometimes.:cry
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INk,
In Aces High II it's easy to land a lot of kills. So I would say kill:death ratio would mostly characterize someone as an ace (giving he is not a vulcher, etc)
I feel so depressed now, I have only landed 3 kills :(
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Kill/death ratio is not a proof.Nor is the hit%.
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well lets see...5 killz in a spit could be very hard to depending on how you fly....A good stick with great SA, "err timidness" can land 10 killz easy in a spit or any other ftr with half decent guns and a few wingmen. Rank is worthless to try and judge by. The so called ACES of AH are pretty well known..it takes one merge to tell if the guy is gonna kick yer *** or not, thats usually when I find out if the guy is an " ACE"
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Yah, der be Ace in der game.
Dis iz 'im.
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Being lucky is all it takes in this game to be an ace. I might have landed some victories in a plane, or even several times in a plane in a row, but no-one knows whether or not I've died in the process. If I met a better pilot in real life, I would most likely be dead (meaning I would be dead, since I'm nowhere near the top amongst AH-pilots).
PS. 10 kills in a 190F8, a2a, May 2004 IIRC. Dropped the bombs when I saw the first Boston formation, even some a2a fighter kills during the sortie. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I think it makes you a cartoon airplane superstar.
You can put the trophy right next to your Counterstrike fragmaster one.
;)
:lol More shameless self promotion.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Rank means squat.
No, I take that back. Rank means you game the game, fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you, and you milk-run in the EWA and MWA to get a better ranking. Then you score exclusively in "attack" mode after you die once so as not to ruin your chance at the #1 rank.
So, rank means a lot, the lower it gets, but it actually doesn't mean you're an "ace".
He burried that hook good and deep.
:lol
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It would be safe to keep track of your own stats,land 5 kills in plane "X".
Then move on to plane "Y"
Well atleast thats what I do.:o :o :o
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Originally posted by Krusty
Rank means squat.
No, I take that back. Rank means you game the game, fly as timidly as possible with as many wingmen as possible, run the second the enemy might be able to turn from you, and you milk-run in the EWA and MWA to get a better ranking. Then you score exclusively in "attack" mode after you die once so as not to ruin your chance at the #1 rank.
So, rank means a lot, the lower it gets, but it actually doesn't mean you're an "ace".
INteresting response. Rank being low means you score hore.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Yep fly with dextur and Axer they are true aces!
:rofl :rofl :rofl they both suck, AXER sr is good but his kids cant fight out of a wet paper bag.
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There are some really good sticks in here, whom I wouldn't like to meet head to head. I've lost to Shane, Furball, Schatzi, Redd, Wmaker, Sasmox, Oldman, Slash27, actually most of the people in AH. I would be dead, weren't it for AH2. Salute, HTC!
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no true def i dont believe myself to be an ace and i have kill streaks in some planes in the 30's so....:cool:
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Fighter Rank in and of itself a poor measuring tool because by its very nature, it's relativistic. However, the components that comprise fighter rank are absolutes and do have some comparative relevance. That is to say Hit %, K/T, K/D and K/S do indicate the prescence of aptitudes in specific areas that are key components of aggregate talent in fighters. Of course there is no measure for one key component and that is raw flying ability, that is unquantifiable, very subjective and situational.
So, to define an Ace, you really have to qualify that with, Ace of what..? Very few people, I can think of only 2 or 3 I've ever known in 17 years of this, can pick up any plane out of the hanger, fly it in any style and be equally successful in it. By that I mean there are Aces, there are TnB Aces, there are E fighting Aces, there are snipers, there are those with great flying skill but awefull aim, or people with great aim and flying ability but piss poor SA etc.
Humans will tend to, after sufficient experience, cultivate the self-awareness to figure out what aptitudes and weaknesses they have and fly in a fashion that maximizes those aptitudes while at the same time minimizing their weaknesses. In my personal opinion those are the Aces.
If you want a pure definition, an Ace is a pilot who flies in such a way as to maximize the effectiveness in combat of both his own aptitudes and his chosen plane's strengths while at the same time minimizing his own weaknesses and the strengths of his opponent and his aircraft. Someone who can consistantly accomplish that flight after flight, encounter after encounter is an unqualified Ace regardless of what particular area(s) he excels.
Naturally, in the game there are certain activities that can statistically perpetuate the illusion of Ace-dom without actually possessing the reality of it, vulching, 262 and 163 buff farming missions and more clandestine methods involving other accounts for example. This is the biggest reason Rank in and of itself or any sub-stat of which looked at in isolation or out of context is not particularly meaningfull. But, blatant padding notwithstanding the core attributes that comprise fighter rank, not the fighter rank itself are, if nothing else, fairly pure indicators of pilot aptitude in a given area. Taken as a sum total they do tell a story and combined with the correct plane to accentuate those proclivities do end up becoming, to a certain degree, a measure of that person's overall effectiveness in the MA with a fighter.
Zazen
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If you don't go into hysterical fits every time you get shot down, you're an ACE in my book. :aok
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Originally posted by spikes
INteresting response. Rank being low means you score hore.
<--score hore,i dont know how's it still so low...
VansCrew
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Originally posted by Xargos
If you don't go into hysterical fits every time you get shot down, you're an ACE in my book. :aok
LOL :rofl
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Originally posted by kamilyun
I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.
I like sarcasm as well. :aok
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A ace is when u can kill lw planes with ew planes with ease in the LWA, hehehehe.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Actually in the case of landing 12 in a 202 there was no vulching, all of it was fair. In the case of the 205 I think only 2-3 were vulched, the rest were fair.
I've done runs of 13 in a 190 before, but they were mostly all vulches :D :D :D (which is why I didn't list 'em)
Bahhhh! Krusty, I'm betting that you wouldn't last 10 seconds after merge in a duel of 202's with the big dogs! I think I could pick most any of my squaddies and you would get beach slapped in the 202 or th3 205! I'm guessing that co-alt co-E would be "fair".......right??:aok
Mark
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Bahhhh! Krusty, I'm betting that you wouldn't last 10 seconds after merge in a duel of 202's with the big dogs! I think I could pick most any of my squaddies and you would get beach slapped in the 202 or th3 205! I'm guessing that co-alt co-E would be "fair".......right??:aok
Mark
Heck, I bet Jrdogg could take him.
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Originally posted by AKDogg
Heck, I bet Jrdogg could take him.
:lol
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wats rank?:confused:
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Originally posted by kamilyun
I consider anyone with rank 200 or better an ace.
hehe I shot down a guy who's an "ace" twice in a row in my A-20 (he was spitXVI). I dont think "ace" is appropriate but there are a bunch of guys who are consistantly mentioned across many "best in" "best sticks" "best fights" etc. Those relative few stand above the rest of us based on that almost universal measure of respect. Few of those guys are ever in the top 200 BTW....
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an ace is someone who gets 5 kills without dying.
So I would hope that would mean everyone, at pretty much any point in their AH career, has managed to land 5 victories.
Vulches, Cherry picks, HO's all count, not to sure about collisions or proxies.
The best "aces" should be able to achieve that every run, in ANY ride.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I've got a low overall rank (if you count under 100 low) and, while I'll never say never I've, for the most part, gotten it fighting in the LWA's (although I did play in MW one night helping some others with some base captures... not at undefended bases though). I do spend about 1-2 nights per camp in EW or MW so I can get a few "fair" fights in in some EW birds. Other than that it's all LW.
You just have to pick your places, times and missions and do everything that's available to do in the game. I don't consider that "gaming the game" I consider it "playing the game".
When I saw you in LWA, you kept your alt. and were nowhere to be found when I approached your alt. Other Rooks made note of this btw.
Rank status = Level of Timidness. Cut and slice it anyway you want, but I'll never run from a 1 vs 1. Nor do I make claims "of greatness" on the other side of the coin.
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I'm the only Ace in this game, and you can't get like me.:lol JP
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Rank status = Level of Timidness. Cut and slice it anyway you want, but I'll never run from a 1 vs 1. Nor do I make claims "of greatness" on the other side of the coin.
Well, even though I ranked 11th right now, I am far from being timid. I usually take on 2 or even 3 on 1's espescially if I have alt. Only times I am timid is when I know there are more enemy coming and not friendly to help even the odds. Yet I do agree rank means nothing. I get rank to help control CV for squad ops. This way I don't have idiots taking control of it and making there name out of the course they taking the CV (Tdub), hehehe.
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Fighter Rank in and of itself a poor measuring tool because by its very nature, it's relativistic. However, the components that comprise fighter rank are absolutes and do have some comparative relevance. That is to say Hit %, K/T, K/D and K/S do indicate the prescence of aptitudes in specific areas that are key components of aggregate talent in fighters. Of course there is no measure for one key component and that is raw flying ability, that is unquantifiable, very subjective and situational.
So, to define an Ace, you really have to qualify that with, Ace of what..? Very few people, I can think of only 2 or 3 I've ever known in 17 years of this, can pick up any plane out of the hanger, fly it in any style and be equally successful in it. By that I mean there are Aces, there are TnB Aces, there are E fighting Aces, there are snipers, there are those with great flying skill but awefull aim, or people with great aim and flying ability but piss poor SA etc.
Humans will tend to, after sufficient experience, cultivate the self-awareness to figure out what aptitudes and weaknesses they have and fly in a fashion that maximizes those aptitudes while at the same time minimizing their weaknesses. In my personal opinion those are the Aces.
If you want a pure definition, an Ace is a pilot who flies in such a way as to maximize the effectiveness in combat of both his own aptitudes and his chosen plane's strengths while at the same time minimizing his own weaknesses and the strengths of his opponent and his aircraft. Someone who can consistantly accomplish that flight after flight, encounter after encounter is an unqualified Ace regardless of what particular area(s) he excels.
Naturally, in the game there are certain activities that can statistically perpetuate the illusion of Ace-dom without actually possessing the reality of it, vulching, 262 and 163 buff farming missions and more clandestine methods involving other accounts for example. This is the biggest reason Rank in and of itself or any sub-stat of which looked at in isolation or out of context is not particularly meaningfull. But, blatant padding notwithstanding the core attributes that comprise fighter rank, not the fighter rank itself are, if nothing else, fairly pure indicators of pilot aptitude in a given area. Taken as a sum total they do tell a story and combined with the correct plane to accentuate those proclivities do end up becoming, to a certain degree, a measure of that person's overall effectiveness in the MA with a fighter.
Zazen
Your such a dweeb I r d bset :p
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You're an "ace" in this game when the best players consider you "good". imo, anyway. I'm just a K4 dweeb.
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Originally posted by AKDogg
Well, even though I ranked 11th right now, I am far from being timid. I usually take on 2 or even 3 on 1's espescially if I have alt. Only times I am timid is when I know there are more enemy coming and not friendly to help even the odds. Yet I do agree rank means nothing. I get rank to help control CV for squad ops. This way I don't have idiots taking control of it and making there name out of the course they taking the CV (Tdub), hehehe.
Dogg, I'll be flat out Honest. SHawk, SkyRock, Killn, Bj229f, Stang, BGBMaw, TC, Octavius, Greebo, Levi, Wax, You, and maybe 15 others that are "worthy Top 200 cartoon sticks" are not timid. I'm sorry but most "Top 200", "or those who deem themselves Lord of AH2" are nothing but fluff.
Hell, there have been times where I have switched and shot you down, but it was earned. I have also been on the receiving end of said MA fights. It's what should happen, dogfights but there are some who "want the rank, name in lights" but sell themselves in the process. They'll run from 1 vs 1's, etc.
It's not about "fighting the fight the way Karaya wants". It's about the dogfights. It is the reason I and most play this game for the DOGFIGHTS.
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Shawk?...
He always has his entourage... He never flies alone and always had some1 to clear his 6....But if you rarely catch him 1v1 stop and examine wat he does before he comes on vox and says in his old ragity voice "Can someone get this off of me, or "draggin one on the deck here"....
BTW this is by no mean meant to personally Bash Him...
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I'm the P38G Ace. I've personally accounted for the destruction of more P38Gs then all the other pilot's in Aces high combined!
No one can touch me when it comes to that!
BTW this is a reall silly conversation. Being an AH Ace and a buck might get you a can of Coke. Maybe. Who the heck cares as long as yer having fun :)
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Originally posted by AKDogg
Heck, I bet Jrdogg could take him.
Hey give your son some credit. I went and dueled him one day, nice kid and good stick. You've taught him well :aok
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actually he taught himself. He watched me fly but I really didn't actually tell him anything but how to start the engine and how to fly. The manev's he learned he learned by watchin me or his opponents. He a quick learner. Still trying to break him off the HO routine though. He better then that.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Yep fly with dextur and Axer they are true aces!
lmfaorof.....AXER got ya running shoes on?
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Back when Jg54 used to be an organized squad in the AvA we would keep a "score" of ones kill streak. Once you die you start again at 0. Most I think I got up to was 16. None of us were score whoring though we would all up in groups (one jabo one fighter) jabos would get a ground kill for anything they distroyed with thier bombs. Only a few would get it each sortie since Jabos were flying 190s with 500kg bomb.
Other then squad "aces" there isnt any Aces High Aces. When ToD comes out Im sure there will be aces.