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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Spikes on May 17, 2007, 06:59:24 PM
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I've been flying the 38G for a while...gotten good in it. landed 9 in one last night, anyway, Can someone help me a little in one? I want to learn it's advantages and disadvantages. One of you trainers and good in them? Tell me the times you are normally on in the TA and I'll try to log on for a bit.
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Whatever you do, don't ask Dan. That'll be the end of your 38G right there :D
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
That's too funny.
On a serious note I'd also like to hear what folks have to say about the 38G. I can do okay in it, but I know I'm only flying to about half its potential.
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I LOVE the 38G in the EW and MW, because it is UBER there, I just tend to avoid it because that bar in the front is just too hard to work around when a J or L is an option... But definately good plane to learn!
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Originally posted by Vudak
Whatever you do, don't ask Dan. That'll be the end of your 38G right there :D
This is true, but it's almost guaranteed to be a glorious end against overwhelming odds.
:)
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Originally posted by Soulyss
This is true, but it's almost guaranteed to be a glorious end against overwhelming odds.
Dont forget, missing parts!
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And whats wrong with that? 38G is my baby :)
It's a Spit with 2 engines. Turns on a dime, takes punishment (which helps a poor pilot like me to no end), has two engines so i can go home on 1. had two rudders so I can go home with 1....well you get the idea.
And it has all that ammo, so a spray and pray type like me can shoot forever!
Don't listen to Serenity. 38G loves to fly in latewar too:D
Once that old G gets in your blood, there is no going back :aok
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And whats wrong with that? 38G is my baby :)
It's a Spit with 2 engines. Turns on a dime, takes punishment (which helps a poor pilot like me to no end), has two engines so i can go home on 1. had two rudders so I can go home with 1....well you get the idea.
And it has all that ammo, so a spray and pray type like me can shoot forever!
Don't listen to Serenity. 38G loves to fly in latewar too:D
Once that old G gets in your blood, there is no going back :aok
Yup. now, to answer my question, can anyone go to TA and help me out a little?
Just tell me when you are in there...
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Originally posted by Serenity
I LOVE the 38G in the EW and MW, because it is UBER there, I just tend to avoid it because that bar in the front is just too hard to work around when a J or L is an option... But definately good plane to learn!
Hit the page down key slightly to give more room.
FUEL MANAGEMENT in a P-38-G is very important, here is my cycle rate:
LA
RA
LM
RM
in this order.My usual fuel load out is 50% internal and a drop tank depending on patrol area and flight time.
Oh yea, Fester makes the Best 38 Skins hands down!!!!
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Iam also looking for someone to fly training in the 38 i know the basics but need light in the special stuff.
Also looking for someone to fly the 38 in wings pack.
Anyone let me know.
CrzOwl
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Hit the page down key slightly to give more room.
FUEL MANAGEMENT in a P-38-G is very important, here is my cycle rate:
LA
RA
LM
RM
in this order.My usual fuel load out is 50% internal and a drop tank depending on patrol area and flight time.
Oh yea, Fester makes the Best 38 Skins hands down!!!! [/QUOTE
It's actually best to let the auto-fuel take care of it. YMMV
ack-ack
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Originally posted by CrazyOWl
Iam also looking for someone to fly training in the 38 i know the basics but need light in the special stuff.
Also looking for someone to fly the 38 in wings pack.
Anyone let me know.
CrzOwl
I was his wingman for a few hours in our 38s :)
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What country spikes.
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Originally posted by CrazyOWl
What country spikes.
bish
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I love flying the G, the only thing that i miss is the WEP but have even gotten used to that. MY biggest problem is being overly agressive with it. Been flying it so long that i forget it really is a big plane that needs a little more finesse then some of the true turn fighters out there.
On a good day i can keep up with most everything that doesnt decide to WEP it and run, on a bad day... well i feel like i live in the silk.
:aok
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If nothing else it looks pretty and it makes em burn! :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Burner2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Krusty
I'm only flying to about half its potential.
An honest pilot!:aok
Check the DA some too, Spikes, there are some great stiks that could help you with whatever you wanted to know!
Mark
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theres nothing more fun in AH2 than killing spit16s la7s nikis etc etc in a 38G only plane that worries me when im in a the G are ki84s
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Oddly eough, Ki-84's worry me a lot more when I'm in a J than the G. :)
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actually ki84s worry me no matter what im in usually good sticks in them and they scare me:noid
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I've always wanted to fly the J or the G, but i could NEVER get the trick to handling them. I actually got this game for the P-38, but still. I'd love to learn!
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Originally posted by SgtPappy
I've always wanted to fly the J or the G, but i could NEVER get the trick to handling them.
I really enjoy the 38's, as was mentioned you have a rather large AC to handle (or as some say thats no fighter its just a 2 engine bomber). I like its dual action role, just change the ordinance to suit the situation. I learned early on that it can be a widow maker if you do not finesse it, ie snap rolls, compression in dives etc. Over all ONE FINE AC. :aok :noid
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Originally posted by SgtPappy
I actually got this game for the P-38, but still. I'd love to learn!
I like that, a lot. That's precisely my attitude. I don't claim to be either the best P-38 pilot or the best trainer in this game, because I'm not, but I'd be very happy to have you in my eight player server, Blue Sky: Maximum Realism, and I'd be happy to help in any way I can. And I have had quite a bit of experience (and success) at teaching P-38 in various simulators.
[... Edited for spelling.]
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Awesome! I'll be sure to come by Benny. Also, I'm pretty sure I've met you bofore lol. P-38L pilot, right?
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Ha! Now that you mention it, yes, we've even trained together. In that case I'm not sure how much benefit this will be, but practice is always good and at any rate it will be good to have you flying in Blue Sky again.
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heh, you guys will forget about P-38G if we get P-38H!:p
(P-38H is a P-38G airframe with P-38J's engine minus that infamous chin. If I remember correctly, P-38H has the same speed as P-38G at Full-Throttle-Height but it's as fast as P-38J at low alts.)
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Ki-84 is what i see as the Achilles heel of the P-38.
Edit: Considering the Ki-84 is flown properly.
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also, Bf 109F can make life hard for P-38s. I think 109F is a silent threat to P-38s.
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Originally posted by 1K3
also, Bf 109F can make life hard for P-38s. I think 109F is a silent threat to P-38s.
Well, Most everything can catch a 38...you just gotta keep it high...
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I'm not afraid of Me-109s. In fact, they're my favorite foe—while different from the P-38, they seem to be exactly equal overall. Of course, the real reason they're my favorite opponent is because they were historically the most commonly faced enemy of the U.S.A.A.F.
Ki-84s, on the other hand, are a definite problem, about as much as a Spitfire Mark XVI (except for at very high altitude).
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Originally posted by 1K3
also, Bf 109F can make life hard for P-38s. I think 109F is a silent threat to P-38s.
That is why the USAAF kept them in a ground attack role in the European Theatre.
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Originally posted by 1K3
also, Bf 109F can make life hard for P-38s. I think 109F is a silent threat to P-38s.
I suppose that this is true under certain circumstances. I fly 109s often when doing advanced training. I'm confident that I can get as much out of them as anyone else. I also fly the P-38s on a regular basis.
Within the game, the 109F requires flap use to really shine. However, the P-38s can get their flaps out at higher speeds, giving them a momentary advantage.
As always, it boils down to the skill of the pilots and their ability to stick to the tactics that best suits their aircraft. In other words, exploiting its best qualities while avoiding its weaknesses.
If I'm in a P-38 (any model). I'm going to push an enemy into fighting the way my fighter fights best. There are areas of the performance envelope where the P-38 is superior to any 109. The goal is to suck them into fighting in a manner that lets me take advantage of those characteristics.
Conversely, if I'm flying a 109, I want to avoid the type of fight where the P-38 can gain a positional advantage. If I can lead a P-38 into a turning contest, he's in serious trouble.
Invariably, knowing every aircraft, being able to extract maximum performance out of every aircraft is key to being successful. A solid understanding of ACM then allows you to meet and defeat 99% of the enemies encountered.
For me, it does not matter much what type of aircraft the enemy is flying. What matters is drawing him into a situation from which he cannot escape.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
That is why the USAAF kept them in a ground attack role in the European Theatre.
I'm afraid that you are mistaking. P-38s were the primary long-range escort fighter of the 8th AF from October 1943, thru March of 1944. At their peak, four 8th fighter groups were equipped with the P-38. They didn't go over to general tactical combat until D-Day, where they provided fighter cover over the beaches and flew tactical support and interdiction. The last P-38 fighter group to surrender its P-38s was the 479th, which transitioned to P-51s in August and September of 1944. All 8th AF P-38s were transferred to the 9th and 15th Air Forces. In the 9th, they continued to fly tactical missions, but encountered enemy fighters as often as the other 9th AF fighter groups. Two groups of P-38s flew escort missions with the 15th AF until the end of the war.
We should also mention that the P-38 saw extensive combat in North Africa, Sicily and eventually Italy with the 12th and 15th Air Forces.
It should be noted that P-38s were extremely effective everywhere except those used by the 8th AF. Much of the P-38s issues in the 8th AF were related to extremely poor management by 8th AF Command. The P-38s had plenty of problems, some related to the aircraft, its engines, low quality fuel, a lack of training, a lack of logistical support, poor planning and a myriad of other screw-ups from command level down to squadron level. However, if we look across to Italy, we find the P-38 flying escort missions deep into Germany and they suffered few of the issues experienced by the 8th AF.
I could write 10,000 words on why the P-38 was so troubled in the ETO, yet excelled in the MTO. Suffice it to say that the 15th AF simply expended more time at training and developing solutions to the P-38's inherent issues.
Ultimately in the ETO, the P-38 suffered more from bad leadership decisions than from anything else. Issues with the P-38 itself were largely resolved with the introduction of the P-38L. However, by then the P-51 was the chosen means for several reasons. The Mustang was easier to fly and manage in combat for the average low-time pilot. It was easier and less costly to maintain (in terms of man hours). It allowed the 8th AF to standardize to a single type, reducing the burden on the logistic system.
As a fighter, the P-51 didn't have a significant performance advantage over the P-38L. It was faster by a bit, but the P-38L was certainly the better dogfighter. Range was nearly equal. Generally, the P-38 was a better gun platform and superior as a tactical fighter, being able to haul twice as much ordnance if need be (P-38s could and did carry two 2,000 lb bombs). Ultimately, the value of the P-38 can be determined by the huge diversity of roles it filled. It was THE do everything fighter of the AAF in every theater of the war, and the only true all-purpose fighter flown by the AAF in WWII.
My regards,
Widewing
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What Widewing said.
It's amazing how many folks hinge every opinion they have on the 38 based on the 8th AF experience when they operated fine in the Aleutians with the 11th AF, the MTO with the 12th and 15th and with the 13th and 5th in the PTO.
The Aleutians weather was far worse then the English weather, yet those 38 guys operated fine with the first 38Es in combat through the Ls and the end of the war.
In the 54th FS official history they talk about 11 hour flights with drop tanks, at a time where the 8th had sent their 38s to the MTO and had no long range escorts.
The philosophy of the 8th Bomber Command and the attitude of Monk Hunter, CO of 8th FC had more to do with the 8th's overall feelings about the 38 then anything else.
Interesting to note in the official 479th FG, 8th AF history written at the time that the 38 trained guys were not happy to give them up for 51s. But the main flow of replacement pilots were trained on 51s so that's what they knew.
As Widewing mentioned. Those trained in the 38 did just fine with it. And those 9th AF guys who transitioned to it in England, did well with it too.
Funny how that works :)
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Originally posted by Widewing
I'm afraid that you are mistaking. P-38s were the primary long-range escort fighter of the 8th AF from October 1943, thru March of 1944. At their peak, four 8th fighter groups were equipped with the P-38. They didn't go over to general tactical combat until D-Day, where they provided fighter cover over the beaches and flew tactical support and interdiction. The last P-38 fighter group to surrender its P-38s was the 479th, which transitioned to P-51s in August and September of 1944. All 8th AF P-38s were transferred to the 9th and 15th Air Forces. In the 9th, they continued to fly tactical missions, but encountered enemy fighters as often as the other 9th AF fighter groups. Two groups of P-38s flew escort missions with the 15th AF until the end of the war.
We should also mention that the P-38 saw extensive combat in North Africa, Sicily and eventually Italy with the 12th and 15th Air Forces.
It should be noted that P-38s were extremely effective everywhere except those used by the 8th AF. Much of the P-38s issues in the 8th AF were related to extremely poor management by 8th AF Command. The P-38s had plenty of problems, some related to the aircraft, its engines, low quality fuel, a lack of training, a lack of logistical support, poor planning and a myriad of other screw-ups from command level down to squadron level. However, if we look across to Italy, we find the P-38 flying escort missions deep into Germany and they suffered few of the issues experienced by the 8th AF.
I could write 10,000 words on why the P-38 was so troubled in the ETO, yet excelled in the MTO. Suffice it to say that the 15th AF simply expended more time at training and developing solutions to the P-38's inherent issues.
Ultimately in the ETO, the P-38 suffered more from bad leadership decisions than from anything else. Issues with the P-38 itself were largely resolved with the introduction of the P-38L. However, by then the P-51 was the chosen means for several reasons. The Mustang was easier to fly and manage in combat for the average low-time pilot. It was easier and less costly to maintain (in terms of man hours). It allowed the 8th AF to standardize to a single type, reducing the burden on the logistic system.
As a fighter, the P-51 didn't have a significant performance advantage over the P-38L. It was faster by a bit, but the P-38L was certainly the better dogfighter. Range was nearly equal. Generally, the P-38 was a better gun platform and superior as a tactical fighter, being able to haul twice as much ordnance if need be (P-38s could and did carry two 2,000 lb bombs). Ultimately, the value of the P-38 can be determined by the huge diversity of roles it filled. It was THE do everything fighter of the AAF in every theater of the war, and the only true all-purpose fighter flown by the AAF in WWII.
My regards,
Widewing
Bf-109 still dominated P-38's in ETO in every example.
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Your previous post demonstrates your ignorance. This one merely does so again. P-38's were far from dominated by Me-109s anywhere. Quite the contrary, the only thing that the Me-109 ever really had over the P-38 was dive and roll, and that ended with the P-38L.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Dee Da Dee
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Bf-109 still dominated P-38's in ETO in every example.
In every example? I guess the P-38's 3/1 kill to loss ratio against the Luftwaffe was obtained against everything but the 109, right?
So far you have managed to present nothing but baloney. It's time to ante up.
My regards,
Widewing
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Don't even stoop so low to acknowledge it's presence Widewing.
It works to serve a purpose that is opposite of yours.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Bf-109 still dominated P-38's in ETO in every example.
LOL, yeah, right.
My favorite combat report. 109s had the alt and bounced the fighter bomber 38J-10s, (pre dive flap, power assist etc) Note that this guy ate up the 109, and still had his bombs on, even though he started at the disadvantage.
Dominated my a** :)
Lt. Royal Madden 370th FG, July 31, 1944
“Approximately 15 Me 109s came down on Blue Flight and we broke left. I then made a vertical right turn and observed Blue Two below and close and Blue Four was ahead and slightly above me. I glanced behind me and saw four Me 109s closing on my tail fast and within range so I broke left and down in a Split S. I used flaps to get out and pulled up and to the left. I then noticed a single Me 109 on my tail and hit the deck in a sharp spiral.
We seemed to be the only two planes around so we proceeded to mix it up in a good old-fashioned dogfight at about 1000 feet. This boy was good and he had me plenty worried as he sat on my tail for about five minutes, but I managed to keep him from getting any deflection. I was using maneuvering flaps often and finally got inside of him. I gave him a short burst at 60 degrees, but saw I was slightly short so I took about 2 radii lead at about 150 yards and gave him a good long burst. There were strikes on the cockpit and all over the ship and the canopy came off. He rolled over on his back and seemed out of control so I closed in and was about to give him a burst at 0 deflection when he bailed out at 800 feet.
Having lost the squadron I hit the deck for home. Upon landing I learned that my two 500 pound bombs had not released when I had tried to jettison them upon being jumped. As a result I carried them throughout the fight.”
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Bf-109 still dominated P-38's in ETO in every example.
Wonder why they earned the nickname the twin tailed devil then?
No offence to the 109, but I still think the P38s the best!:aok :aok
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Bf-109 still dominated P-38's in ETO in every example.
Add this to your track record of incredibly ignorant posts. Your knowledge of airplanes is in par with your knowledge of air combat tactics.
ack-ack