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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Jackal1 on May 18, 2007, 07:22:48 AM
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I have tried digging past the smoke and mirrors routine to get to the real "meat" of this latest proposal and have not had much luck.
What I am looking for is what, if any change is proposed on the most important issue, at least IMO.
Can someone point to me the part that in which anything is taking a step forward or actualy changing for the main end result.......crime/ punisment for those caught in this country illegaly , if and when this takes place?
From whitehouse.gov............... ........................
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"Putting Border Security And Enforcement First
Border Security And Worksite Enforcement Benchmarks Must Be Met Before A Temporary Worker Program Is Implemented. These benchmarks include:
* Miles of fence constructed.
* Number of Border Patrol Agents hired.
* "Catch and Return" continues at the border.
* Employment Eligibility Verification System ready to process all new hires
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"Catch and Return" continues at the border. ????????????????????????
Seems to me that it accomplishes nothing as for as actualy getting down and dirty on the real issue. Are we wasting time and money again to put into law a new "touchy feely", "whitewash" law that has no backbone to it?
To me, glittery laws aimed to make the law abiding naive get a warm fuzzy feeling are a joke.
Laws that automaticaly assume that the non law abiding will give a rat`s behind one way or the other don`t cut it. That goes for both sides of the border IMHO.
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The way I understand it.
Any illegal here would be able to get a legal visa if
They pay 5K
Return back to their country of origin and get the visa stamped.
Then they may return legally.
Personally I like it.
Seems fair
As far as catching them at the boarders is concerned.
Anything short of shooting them on sight is unacceptable to me
If I had the power to do so I woud institute another way.
Anyone here illegally may stay and become legal citizens PROVIDED
They (both men and women alike)join our armed forces in forward combat units in the middle east for a period of no less then 4 years.
After that 4 year stint. They would become fully legallised citizens
But they have to serve the full 4 years and serve them in active forward combat units IN the middle east.
I'd have so many people named "Jesus, Maria and Jose" over there.
they would think it really was the second comming
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Search under Eisenhower for "Operation Wetback".
Now search for "Immigration Control" and "Ted Kennedy"
got all those? Read them yet?
Good, now ask yourself why you want your gov to send the message to all illegals to "Come on down, we're only blowing off at the mouth about getting serious!"
Only problem now is that all the parties see this as more votes for them, and nothing is going to get resolved on immigration control... and I'll put my house up as collateral for any bet to the contrary.
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Originally posted by Odee
[/i]!Only problem now is that all the parties see this as more votes for them, and nothing is going to get resolved on immigration control... and I'll put my house up as collateral for any bet to the contrary.
When you talk to your booky, put me down for about 10 grand also, would ya?
Yea Dred......"The way I understand it.
Any illegal here would be able to get a legal visa if
They pay 5K
Return back to their country of origin and get the visa stamped.
Then they may return legally."...........that`s the touchy feely part I was referring to.
Without any crime/punishment change for those caught in this country if and when this is supposed to take place...........the rest is just eye candy for the naive. Means nothing.
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It's amnesty.....and a free green card. Same as always.
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Originally posted by Odee
Search under Eisenhower for "Operation Wetback".
Now search for "Immigration Control" and "Ted Kennedy"
got all those? Read them yet?
Good, now ask yourself why you want your gov to send the message to all illegals to "Come on down, we're only blowing off at the mouth about getting serious!"
Only problem now is that all the parties see this as more votes for them, and nothing is going to get resolved on immigration control... and I'll put my house up as collateral for any bet to the contrary.
make that three.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Re: Immigration reform...Need a pointer
If they aint "welcome" you show em to the door.... in a way they understand :cool:
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Immagration Reform? Need a pointer? Australia may be on to something...
Australia, why can't we do this?
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law
were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as
the government targeted radicals in a bid to head
off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders
pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a
special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he
and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello,
seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some
radical clerics could be asked to leave the country
if they did not accept that Australia was a secular
state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If
those are not your values, if you want a country
which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then
Australia is not for you", he said on National
Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that
there are two laws governing people in Australia:
one the Australian law and another Islamic law, that
is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary
law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer
Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another
country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a
better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be
forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship
could possibly be asked to move to the other
country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later
told reporters that Muslims who did not want to
accept local values should "clear off. Basically
people who don't want to be Australians, and who
don't want to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then, they can basically clear
off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian
Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy
agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.
Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation
worrying about whether we are offending some
individual or their culture. Since the terrorist
attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in
patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely
settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began
complaining about the possibility that our
patriotism was offending others. I am not against
immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone
who is seeking a better life by coming to
Australia." "However, there are a few things that
those who have recently come to our country, and
apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural
commun ity has served only to dilute our sovereignty
and our national identity. And as Australians, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own
language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two
centuries of struggles, trials and victories by
millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese,
Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other
language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
our society ... Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not
some Christian, right wing, political push, but a
fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display
it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,
then I suggest you consider another part of the
world as your new home, because God is part of our
culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not
question why. All we ask is that you accept ours,
and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you
don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously
consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things
where you came from. By all means, keep your
culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR
LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity
to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of
Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one
other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't
force you to come here. You asked to be here. So
accept the country YOU accepted."
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i'm still studying the bill. i have mixed feellings so far:
Pros -
- it is FAR better than what we have now.
- in a way, it acknowledges that we have been complicit in illegals coming here by winking at it all these years because it helped our economy- including complicity by our highest officials
- it isn't a bad idea to be very close to Mexico, our next door neighbor, considering that other latin countries in the region are either communist or socialist, and definately anti-American
- many of the illegals here have become our friends
- we can't afford to deport the illegals. it just aint gonna happen.
Cons -
- fat prettythanged party-boy ted kennedy has his wet fingers all over it
- we might be able to hold out for a little more stringent bill - with more $ for border security
- not enough safeguards that will ensure future enforcement
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Ok. The catch to the whole thing is that they have to come up with the $5k, right?
They could work they're whole lives in Mexico for less than $10 dollars a day. Very, very few would ever save that money. However, Most of them make that much in a couple of months up here; Follow me so far?
That means, they still sneak across, still do everything they're doing now, only that it set's up a permanent 'amnesty' program. They save enough to get Citizenship for one. Ok, Now, they start sneaking across the rest of the family. Well, one of them has established a residence with a green card, so why worry about everyone else? INS shows up...El Papa answers' the door. Everyone else is hidden in back. He's a U.S. Cit., so unless they've got a warrant, they can't search his house.
Listen guys...With the damage that's being done to Regular American Citizens, to our economy, and to the emergency social programs that we all pay taxes to support...A compromise bill such as this, Is worse than nothing at all. Politicians will pat themselves on the back, and tell us that this is the "Fix". It is not. It will make things much worse. We've got huge problems to solve, Even if we were to completely close our borders, allow absolutely no immigration(Legal, or illegal) It would take us a decade or more to properly assimilate all that have come over recently, and assimilate what we have into our social structure. As it is...We continue to plunge forth into the abyss.
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Suppose your average joe decided to start a non profit company to get rid of illegal immigrants in his community.
He bought a bunch of large trucks and accepted donations for gas money and tolls.
Is an american allowed to "capture" an illigal immigrant and transport him somewhere, like to a deportation center or something?
Being that they're illegal, technically they don't have any rights, right?
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Originally posted by Speed55
Being that they're illegal, technically they don't have any rights, right?
Technically they have more rights and benefits , at the moment, than the average U.S. citizen.
Try stop paying taxes for a while and see what happens to you.
Try getting free education for your kids........medical care, etc.
For me, the Mexican illegals here now, can go through the process and become citizens. I don`t have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is the fact that it sends out a message that there will be NO change as far as punishment goes for those caught in the U.S. illegaly if and when this smoke and mirrors BS is passed.
It`s an open invitation to anyone, with any intent , to enter and not have any worries.................inclu ding terrorists.
As it stands, the worst that can happen is you get deported. Big Whoop. It`s regroup time and try again.
There is no meat and taters on that plate for the U.S. citizen. It`s a farce.
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my understanding is that the bill applies only to illegals in the country prior to Jan. 01, 2007. not those arriving afterwards.
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Press "1" for "ADIOS!"
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Hey, have any of you ever wondered, what would happen to you if you Got a big bag of "18 inch zipties, hung around down at the border, and made a citizens' arrest on a border crosser?
Does anyone know someone who's tried this? Where the arresting person did everything by the book and legally?
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Originally posted by Gunthr
my understanding is that the bill applies only to illegals in the country prior to Jan. 01, 2007. not those arriving afterwards.
From the post at the top.......................... ....................
""Catch and Return" continues at the border."
No change. No meat. Nothing. Everything remains the same F.U.B.A.R.
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From the post at the top.......................... ....................
""Catch and Return" continues at the border."
No change. No meat. Nothing. Everything remains the same F.U.B.A.R.
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what is that in English? im serious, im tryiing to learn here
n.m. - i re-read the top.
i have a major problem with the bill if it doesn't provide for an immediate HALT to the catch and release program.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
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what is that in English? im serious, im tryiing to learn here
It means that there will be no change , as far as punishment goes, for those caught in the U.S. illegaly if and when this is put into place. Only deportation if caught.
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Let's see; that's $10k each for Jackal and Storch... Redtopp, you get that for the books? :rofl
Yeah, who is going to pay back all the money lost from Welfare and SS that these pukes have been sponging off?
Who is going to compensate all those Emergency rooms, and other services that had to close down because they went broke servicng the illegals?
Froedke: You'ld likely end up in a prolonged legal battle with the ACLU (another useless group imo ) over illegaly detaining illegal persons that have no legal rights. Thus jeopardizing the illegals legal claim to illegality and upsetting our elected officials pocket books.
Other than that, you are upholding the Law as a legal citizen under the Militia Act (vaguely), but you may want to check with the State, and local laws to be sure.
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is proof positive that those who refuse to learn from history are doomed therefore to repeat it.
Every time they periodically grant some form of amnesty, the problem returns only worse than before. Only the illegals have figured out how this works. Every so often, the idiots in D.C. decided to "do something", so they grant more illegals amnesty than the previous group of idiots in D.C. did the last time. Every amnesty is larger and broader than the previous amnesty. And is followed by an even larger influx of illegals. Which will of course be followed by and even larger and broader amnesty. The citizens and the legal immigrants get screwed again. And again. And again. Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.
Meanwhile, we've had a couple of dozen drunk illegals kill people in wrecks in recent months, after having been arrested dozens of times and released. We've had several instances of illegals committing murder as well. In fact, locally, illegals are by far more likely to be involved when there is a drunk driving fatality. And now we have illegals running gangs, replete with drug trafficking and multiple murder sprees. After being arrested as known illegals charged with felonies multiple times.
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Yeah... tibbs pretty much summed it all up right there. :furious :furious
Welcome to the Libtard World. :mad: :furious Write your representatives and let them know how displeased you are with them... and that this displeasure will show come the next election.
If only Dead Head Ted had drowned instead of his pregnant girl friend...
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If there are any things in the bill that an illegal has to do to become a citizen other than wade across the border...
There will be very few new citizens. $6500 and pay back taxes? nope.
I would also say that any illegal once he becomes a citizen should never be able to vote since he broke into the country in the first place.
Otherwise... we need to give other felons "amnesty" and let them vote.
Besides... do you really want the people who have put mexican governments in for all this time to be able to vote?
lazs