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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Seagoon on May 18, 2007, 11:57:37 AM
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Dear HT,
With a view towards TOD, I'm wondering about the difficulty of producing different models of existing AH2 tanks.
For instance, now that we have the Sherman Firefly (VC) in the game, how difficult would it be to also introduce the M4A1 variant of the Sherman so we would have an allied tank from 1942 as well as an allied tank from 1944?
The same question applies to the Panzer IV, is it possible to "remodel" (edit) it so that we could have the D model from 1939?
I guess what I'm asking is do you have to start from scratch when designing a vehicle or can you simply edit the existing vehicle? As far as I know, the only difference between the Firefly and the standard M4A4 is the 17 PDR gun. Replace that with a 75mm and you'd have another earlier and more common tank for TOD scenarios wouldn't you?
Thanks in advance!
- SEAGOON
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You assume tanks will be in TOD?
I thought it was going to be based on missions into Europe.
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Relavant quote from Pyro:
To the question of why no other Sherman variants in this version. The reason is simply a lack of time. We had to shoehorn the Firefly just to get it in. I'm trying to work it out to go back and make a single pass to add a number of missing vehicle variants to the game. We could add a lot of vehicles really quick that way.
From this thread. (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=203359&perpage=25&highlight=firefly%20sherman%20other&pagenumber=3)
It got me excited! :D
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Would be neat if you could choose different turrets for the pz IV, sherman and whatnot as long as nothing else was upgraded in real life just like you can change gun packages in excisting planes.
What comes to mind first is what Seagoon may be thinking about... the short barreled 75mm that was on earlyer versions. Another ex would be the wirblewind turret for the ostwind.
Id also like to see even more variation of guns and ord on planes we have now.
On history channel yesterday i saw warfootage of what must have been Typhoons that had 4 bombs under the wings and not just 2 like we have now. I could ofcoruse not tell if it was 4x500lbs or if it was a different sized bombs but i would really like that.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Would be neat if you could choose different turrets for the pz IV, sherman and whatnot as long as nothing else was upgraded in real life just like you can change gun packages in excisting planes.
What comes to mind first is what Seagoon may be thinking about... the short barreled 75mm that was on earlyer versions. Another ex would be the wirblewind turret for the ostwind.
Id also like to see even more variation of guns and ord on planes we have now.
On history channel yesterday i saw warfootage of what must have been Typhoons that had 4 bombs under the wings and not just 2 like we have now. I could ofcoruse not tell if it was 4x500lbs or if it was a different sized bombs but i would really like that.
Tiffies only had 2 hardpoints, so I'm guessing what you seen weren't Typhoons.
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talking of the typie and it's ord,
give me my 60lb typhhon GV busting rockets it really had!
i can't believe our typihe's rocks are so inneffective in AH when the tyhoon was designd to be a tankbustr!
plllleeeeeease:D
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Originally posted by Laurie
talking of the typie and it's ord,
give me my 60lb typhhon GV busting rockets it really had!
i can't believe our typihe's rocks are so inneffective in AH when the tyhoon was designd to be a tankbustr!
plllleeeeeease:D
The Typhoon wasn't designed to be a tankbuster.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Tiffies only had 2 hardpoints, so I'm guessing what you seen weren't Typhoons.
i saw it again
It was a typhoon, and they did have 2 bombs under each wing really close together like the F8 in AH.
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Originally posted by Lusche
The Typhoon wasn't designed to be a tankbuster.
Originally no, it was originally designed as a fighter.
After trials it was swapped to the ground attack role and was very effective.
Bombphoons and Rocketphoons (with 60lb rockets) were very effective in killing tanks.
One squadron commander didn't ask them how they did on a return from a mission, but how many tanks they killed.
A rough guide -
Mossies with the same rockets were reckoned to have the same punch as a light cruiser.
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Originally posted by Laurie
talking of the typie and it's ord,
give me my 60lb typhhon GV busting rockets it really had!
i can't believe our typihe's rocks are so inneffective in AH when the tyhoon was designd to be a tankbustr!
plllleeeeeease:D
In real life, it was much harder to actually hit a gv (especially a moving one) with rockets. They had alot of deficiency.
The best effect of the rockets wasn't the destroying part, but the fact the impacted heavily on enemy morale (tank crews have been seen ditching their ride after/before/during rocket attacks)
In any case, the Typhoon in AH is ALOT more effective than real life :)
But we should get back on topic...
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Originally posted by frank3
In real life, it was much harder to actually hit a gv (especially a moving one) with rockets. They had alot of deficiency.
The best effect of the rockets wasn't the destroying part, but the fact the impacted heavily on enemy morale (tank crews have been seen ditching their ride after/before/during rocket attacks)
In any case, the Typhoon in AH is ALOT more effective than real life :)
But we should get back on topic...
i'm pretty sure the rockets arent 60lb'ers
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Originally posted by Laurie
i'm pretty sure the rockets arent 60lb'ers
from wikipedia:
"The Typhoon would however become much more famous armed with four "60 lb" RP-3 rockets under each wing—the so-called "Rocketphoons."
and from: http://www.aero-web.org/history/wwii/d-day/8.htm
"The British, on the other hand, preferred rockets, the Typhoon carrying eight having 60-lb armor-piercing warheads"
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yea typhoon needs sexier rockets maybe a perked loadout ;)
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Originally posted by Kev367th
After trials it was swapped to the ground attack role and was very effective.
"After further testing in Aces High 2, the Typhoon was again diverted back to a fighter and now reclassified as the choice for alt monkeys who dont have perks for the Tempest."
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Originally posted by Laurie
i'm pretty sure the rockets arent 60lb'ers
i meant this as in our AH ones arent 60lb'ers and the real life ones were,
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Originally posted by Fulmar
"After further testing in Aces High 2, the Typhoon was again diverted back to a fighter and now reclassified as the choice for alt monkeys who dont have perks for the Tempest."
i have a problem with this statement fulamr:) . there is no piont flying a plane like the typhoon low nd slow as it has fugg all of a turnign circle, the plane is flied best when it is able to dive down and catch some speed. so you can't really call ppl names for flying planes the best way. although when you see 20k LALA's i would consider it to be an 'alt monkey' because a) the lala stinks at that hieght, and b) lala is one of the easiest planes to fly and there is no need for alt.
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Originally posted by Lusche
The Typhoon wasn't designed to be a tankbuster.
the millenium Dome was designed to be a museum and futuristic avtivity land, now its just a performing arena.
basically, no it wasnt orginally designed but it evolved into a 'tankbuster'.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
The same question applies to the Panzer IV, is it possible to "remodel" (edit) it so that we could have the D model from 1939?
- SEAGOON
I do not think that is really possible each and every single model of tanks had numerous changes in design including armor, cupola, completely redone gun statistics,ball mount of mg34 in hull, plus a few visual corrections such as access doors, and extra vision ports. It would probably require a real good makeover of the tank to recreate a model of the PzKpfW IV Ausf D
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Bombphoons and Rocketphoons (with 60lb rockets) were very effective in killing tanks.
One squadron commander didn't ask them how they did on a return from a mission, but how many tanks they killed.
A rough guide -
Mossies with the same rockets were reckoned to have the same punch as a light cruiser.
Kev a link you should read, http://web.telia.com/~u18313395/normandy/articles/airpower.html
The warhead on the 60lb rockets were 6" shells.
Nilsen, believe it, the Typhoon only had 2 hardpoints. You need to brush up on your a/c IDing. ;)
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Kev a link you should read, http://web.telia.com/~u18313395/normandy/articles/airpower.html
The warhead on the 60lb rockets were 6" shells.
Nilsen, believe it, the Typhoon only had 2 hardpoints. You need to brush up on your a/c IDing. ;)
It was a typhoon :)
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You know that the Fw190, P-47 and Typhoon were all mis Ided with each other.
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yup.. but none other than the typhoon had that radiator chin thingie..
The short vid was from behind and below. I have narrowed it down to one show i think and ill look for it further. It was the last operational sortie of some RAF squad attacking shipping bound for norway with officals and fleeing german troops off the german coast althought the vid may ofcourse have nothing to do with what the guy was talking about.
It could have been an experimental version, not bombs but pods with gear, dt's.
I was really baffled when i saw it the first time, and the second time i had a better look. I know this sounds wierd. :)
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These big arse rockets are only 60lbs?
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/dday/images/may2.jpg)
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the warhead is prolly 60lb
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The onesin AH are nowhere near as good/big as they should be judging by that photo.
once again we ahve another occuranceof british planes being toned down for some reason beyond me.
We have a weak spit 16model,(underpowered, reduced boost)
a morphed seafire
our typhoon should have 7 lb's of boost for half an hour(it was an hour in real life)
we dont have any '44 or '45 RAF planes, and the '43 one is 5 ENY when the mustang -D is 8. go figure.
sorry for the hiijack......:rolleyes: