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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: ROC on May 18, 2007, 10:58:38 PM
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Gentlemen, you rarely see a complaint from me.
But, here is one that you can stick in your hat. Get your act together.
I have only a finite amount of time where I actually get to log in and enjoy an event. Typically, I'm building, setting up, or creating one.
When I do get in, I don't mind the occasional banter, the questions, the feedback, it's my job, and I take it in whole.
But, when the group leaders and COs cannot figure out their jobs, and I get hammered in an event I neither hosted nor created, and it get's to the point of shrill, then I did the one thing I despise most of all. I simply logged out in the middle of an event.
Thank you for that. Thank you for taking the rare few minutes I have to actually fly, and fill it with drivel and absolute chaos.
The CO is in charge of his fleet. I could care less if one person or another didn't get to take control of the fleet. That's not my concern, I'm not here to play the game for you. Figure it out, get a clue, and get your butts organized better, don't dump it on me to figure out.
The COs need to figure out their orders, communicate with the group leaders, and make sure everyone is talking to one another. What on earth does it accomplish for 6 different people squaking to Me about who should have the CV, who shouldn't have the CV, what the host did or didn't do regarding the CV. Don't you think that time invested PMing me while I was trying to actually fly into a friggin fight might have been better spent talking to the CiC and Group leaders? Can't you read orders? Where the heck did My name end up as the friggin Maytag Repairman? The time you spent ruining my night could have been spent talking to your Group Leads and CO's and actually accomplished something!
Thanks guys, job well done, I look forward to the next one, perhaps the teams might consider talking to one another for a friggin change!
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Perhaps I'm speaking out of place here but I'd like to throw in on the subject of the carrier drivers.
Early in last night's frame there were guys in command of the carrier groups, one of which I clearly didn't recognize. That guy had his group moving to the southwest not only well out of the assigned area for that group but also across the area the allies might be searching for it. Either the guy just didn't understand what he was doing, was a newbie to events or a guest, didn't know there were rules to begin with, maybe he just saw a CV group that was open and said "Oh goodie I can play with this", or was just trying to make life easier for the allied side, I don't know. I do know that he was unresponsive to repeated attempts at requests by us for him to relinquish control of that group. Which was a problem for our side. So what do we do? Got to get you guys involved.
Dantoo had a hectic week and had fairly abbreviated orders so CV driving fell thru the cracks. No problem, we who have CO'd carrier ops events have probably all spaced that aspect out. I don't ever remember that being actually in any orders I've gotten from anyone nor have I included them in any of mine. It rarely happens so its easy to miss. We didn't consider it until we were already airborne--but we were just up, still in sight of our CVs. We were just getting this straightened out--or trying to-- when this all happened.
ROC all of you guys do a great job at setting these events up. Outstanding really! I can't say enough about that. And I know you guys never want to go the route of ejecting a player if you can avoid it. I've been there. But if a guy is doing everything he can to hose an event for a couple of hundred people he's got to go. And I don't think you'd get anything but applause from anyone else--on either side--for toasting him. And I don't even know if that's what happened to that guy.
I may be speaking for that entire FSO group here but I say this. Don't feel bad about it. Don't hesitate. Do what you have to do. There's just not time to argue about it in a two hour event. If you guys were getting static over that I can say I missed it if it was on channel. If you got that on private I have to say I'm shocked and appalled and agree with everything you've said here.
Keep up the great work CM team and thank you!
Drano
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You know Drano's post is a perfect example of whats wrong in FSO last nite.HE ASSUMED WAY TO MUCH!
The majority of PLAYERS in Aces High treat everyone else around them as if they know NOTHING, whereas i treat everyone as if they already know everything and if they don't they usually say something and we go from there.
When the CiC names a channel(150) as the command channel then doesn't even use it is a problem.
For someone to come across text buffer cryin about CV control and taking the CV "out of the area" then leaving it on the course it originally was when the complaining started is a for real Dee DA Dee move IMHO.
Word of advice too all:Sit back and think about how you treat folks and how you address them, for they are volunteering in a EVENT(which by the way gets better with MORE & MORE people doing it ) to have fun.
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Cant we all just get a bong?
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Originally posted by Kurt
Cant we all just get a bong?
I have a Gas Mask Bong.........Think You can HAndle it?
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GURLZ! do not make me turn this CV around!
Can we all agree to learn from the mistakes made in these things in order to make the next scenario better for all involved?
When I see something that I have control over going astray, I take measures to fix it then and there. That's just a personal quirk of mine. Now, if I see something glaringly out of kilter in a scenario I'm in... I ask around a couple times, before stepping in and making a change where I can. to wit, the CV course. (No, I'm not the one that put it out of kilter... My assignment was TF2 CV5)
Way I see it last night is; If you gto shot down, you could volunteer to drive a CV, or gun a buff, or say goodnight and leave like a lot of players did.
I don't recal seeing a TAC channel for any of the TF's last night, and I assumed the CO's had things in hand. regardless, I did not let the lack of TAC spoil my fun, despite getting shot down in the first 15 minutes. I came back to gun for Ramon, who nailed a cruiser. Then we strafed the remaining DD's before landing on the deck of one and "capturing it" Samurai style. (I have the film of this if you want to watch it)
Came back up in a Zeke, and managed to kill Dtool's F4F4, after climbing forever to get to him. DTool, you valiantly kept us busy.
but I digress, and am rambling on...
Sorry ROC felt he had to log out of frustration. I had no idea about the stress the mob was hitting you up with Roc, and your time and effort.
Okay, migraine and grandkid agro ruining my thought train..
all who came, and especially the designers... Those valiant civillians that put up with our whining and snivelling and still manage to pull of some of the best fun in MMO entertainment, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
You know Drano's post is a perfect example of whats wrong in FSO last nite.HE ASSUMED WAY TO MUCH!
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Bud how about I asume a few more things--firstly, that you're new to events. And this frame of this particular event was hardly an episode in rocket science. We had carriers and they had carriers. Whoever had the most at the end won. Eezeepeezee. Doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to figure if the bad guys are South of you and you don't want them to find you then chances are the last direction you might want to go is--Southish. But that's just me I guess. Can't imagine why people that have a general understanding of the event might have a problem with that . Yeah, what were we all thinking?
Its like this, the guys that design the events and the guys that take on lead roles--and I've been doing these things for many, many years now-- take a lot of time out of their lives to put forth something entertaining and most importantly--an alternative to the MA style of play for those that enjoy this style of play. Events do not equal the MA--its different. See in the MA if you wanted to wrest control of a TG just because you could and then decided to drive it to wherever you want --say the far side of the map--its all good as there aren't any rules or real objectives set forth. It might piss some people off but as long as you have the rank to drive the TG that's the way it goes. Tough crap losers its mine! Seen that plenty of times. BTW, its not always the most popular move in the MA either and with that I doubt you could disagree.
Last night we called and called for the CVs to be released and to stop maneuvering them. No response. Was you and another guy. Not using 150? Which one were you tuned to bro? Its 150 TEXT genius--not VOX. Always has been in just about any event I've been in and that's more than quite a few at this point. Pretty much boilerplate. Regardless, everyone should be monitoring their country's text channel. Also boilerplate. We were using both. Guess you had all channels tuned to 150 exclusively? And never tune to your country channel even in the MA? I hearing that? Trying to say you didn't see any of that is just a beyond lame excuse. Think I can safely assume you're full of it here.
The short of it is that, in an event, if you weren't specifically assigned a TG (heck or anything else for that matter) by your CO and told what to do with it then you don't just take control of it like that without asking. If you're dumb enough to take it and then ignore 10 people--including your CO-- telling you to let it go and stop sending it to the far side of the earth then maybe the case is you're just not getting the idea of events play. If the only way to stop you from doing stuff like that is to eject you(and I don't assume that's what happened to you but you did seem to disappear) then so be it. Doesn't bother me one bit. That's why we have CMs on duty. They're here for the rest of us. The best thing to do there is just comply with what you're being told to do or not to do--and quickly. No different from some yoyo deciding he's gonna fly this plane from this field just because its open and he can or one of my old favorites--to shoot guys down on final approach with the ship guns(ask me how I know about that one).
I can tell ya if I was the CO I wouldn't want you or guys like you on my side if I didn't know I could count on you to comply with my orders. I'd gladly give you to my opponent! Got a problem with that? Then again-- you're probably not right for events play. Nothing wrong with that but you just gotta understand its a different animal than the MA. Check out the rules of the event you're in. Read the orders that get sent to you. Have an idea of what the event is about. Don't assume you're the CO because you're the field general in the MA just because you're there. It doesn't work that way.
Let me know how you feel someday when you're the side CO and some rogue idiot ruins the plan you made for the frame for the hundred or so guys on your side that had taken a major chunk of your week's free time to put together. I guess I can also assume you've never commanded a frame of anything and also never had that happen to you. Yeah I assume a lot. When it does happen be sure to get back to me and let me know how ya made out. For that matter get back to the rest of us too.
Drano
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Yea Drano that was my " First EVER Event".Keep up the assumptions you are OH SO Good at it.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Yea Drano that was my " First EVER Event".Keep up the assumptions you are OH SO Good at it.
Okay children... Knock off the finger pointing. We're all good at it, so there's no sense going over old news.
Grow from the experience, get over it and move on.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Yea Drano that was my " First EVER Event".Keep up the assumptions you are OH SO Good at it.
Dude, if you were half the events vet you claim to be then you know what I stated above to be not the slightest bit out of line. Of course I'm not telling you--the vet--anything new here but I'll re-state it on the off chance it sinks in this time. Events are different than the MA--don't like that, I don't care. They have rules. There are objectives. There is a command structure. There are orders. There is teamwork and there is a time frame. Surely more players would be great, but it takes a certain sort of player with a certain mindset to participate in events. If you can't function under the parameters I just stated then as I said before--maybe you're just not right for events. You simply can't just have a bunch of guys acting all willy-nilly in an event and have that event be anything like enjoyable for the rest of the guys involved in it--period. If your squad has signed on to be a part of FSO or any other event for that matter, then you simply must follow the rules of that event otherwise you won't be participating in future events. Not like that'd be breaking new ground. Cripes you have 4 or 5 arenas for that other stuff--if that's what you want to do then by all means stay in them. I think I can make that statement on behalf of the entire events community. Additionally, you have no rights whatsoever to just do as you please in the events arena while an event is going on--period. That's just the way it is and no I didn't just make that up. Its simply not fair to all of the other players participating in the event and that's why it is the way it is. That's events. Its different. Deal. Or stay in one of the MAs, your choice.
If I've "assumed WAY too much" then by all means set me straight. Feel free to use more than one sentence doing that if you can. But I bet you can't. You can't because you won't man up and own up that what YOU did was out of line. You're the one that came in here and started talkin smack bud--I just called you on it. I haven't heard you actually respond to anything I've said so far. If you're not dead wrong on this you should be able to back me right up. I'm still waiting for that.
All I did was to thank ROC for handling the situation as best he could under the obviously difficult circumstances. After dealing with you here it would seem I couldn't have thanked him enough. I never mentioned your name once yet you saw fit to attack not only the FSO community but me personally. How's that workin out for ya so far?
Drano
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Drano thanks for your input - please don't feed the troll.
Directly from the written orders:
CV Control
The CO of each defensive fighter squad is responsible for “Turning the CV” during an attack. This is generally only effective for Torpedo attacks, but as a rule – If it’s flashing start spinning it about.
It is clearly written in the defensive half of the orders. I don't believe it is ambiguous even standing alone here, let alone in the context of where it sat in the written orders. Specific COs were responsible for defensive manouvres during an actual attack. They had no other CV command or routing responsibilies. These remained with the CIC.
What happened on the day from my perspective:
Sled discussed with me well before the start of frame as to the positioning and control of the CVs. I was to place them on course a couple of minutes before frame start and he would jump them. This would give time for them to straighten before H00.
When I tried to set the courses at H - 3.00 I was unable to do so. I advised Sled and he was able to bring control of them to me.
H. 00 the cvs were in the right position and on course.
On becoming airborne I started contacting defensive squad CO's to ensure they understood their responsibility for defensive CV control. I discussed this with Nomde and MGD for C5 and C6 on command 150. I used a mixture of communications channels (including vox) to talk with 1hungloe who intimated himself as CO of VF-4 & VF-31 Co-Op. He had taken control of the CV4 before H:00 and had placed it on a course different to that which I wanted. He had obviously read the written order and was acting on it, though not understanding it.
After discussion of what I intended and what his responsibilities were to be, he gave up control and the CV was placed correctly on course by me.
Shortly after launch of the initial attack wave someone started to turn the cv with the defensive force still taking off. Strong vox messages were transmitted of the form "stop turning the cv".
Sometime after launch, Sled contacted me and advised that I had the CVs headed out of the correct area.
A check of the map showed that CV5 and CV6 had been routed more or less on a convoluted course to attack Port Moresby (A10). Attempts to correct the courses failed as the buttons on the panel were greyed out to me. Attempts to take control of the cvs failed. I advised Sled. CV4 was under the command of 1hungloe and still on its correct course.
Sled can fill in the next bit as/if he wishes. A number of appeals, orders and threats were issued for people who were "not authorised," to leave to cvs alone. I believe Sled was able to wrest control of the 2 misguided ones and I was then able to correct their courses. No CV ever left its assigned area. It was a disruptive but fairly short exercise in crapology.
A couple of players then started complaining that we were not sticking to the orders??? I then asked for the responsible COs ie. Nomde, MGD and 1hungloe to take control of the CVs to prevent the rogue player from continuing to screw up the game, as it were. Once control of a CV was taken by a player there was no way to take it back as player ranks were all zero. Only CM intervention was effective.
For the greater portion of the frame there was no problem with CV control. A few players, I believe all from the same squad, may have argued about who was in charge. This was with respect to C4? I am uncertain as to how VF-4 & VF-31 Co-Op organise themselves, but if there really was trouble there, it is up to them to fix it. If the trouble was elsewhere then I am even further from understanding what the noise was about.
There were a couple of cases of people requesting CVs to be straightened to allow them to land. I think one guy might have asked 2 or 3 times. One can presume the controlling CO was too busy to do it instantly or it may have been that he thought the CV was under threat and he wasn't going to risk it to make it easy for a zeke to land. I don't know. It gets busy in events. Try being in charge of one if you don't believe me.
Now this whole thing has been extremely trivial and its effects in game were almost non-existent except for, and this is the most important thing:
It detracted from people's fun and in fact ruined somebody's enjoyment completely! That sucks. That really sucks. A lot of people go to a heck of a lot of trouble to bring fun to a whole bunch more who just have to show up. For rogues and trolls to rob them of that is despicable.
CO's are responsible for the conduct of their squads. That's it.
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For what is worth in the past I would manage task groups in 1 of 2 ways.
1. I would only allow the Frame C.O. to control task groups.
If someone kept messing with them I would (or the Setup CM would) eject them immediately.
2. Only the Setup CM would control the task groups per the Frame C.O.’s requests.
This of course would remove the possibility of anyone messing with them, but tended to slow the response time (evasive maneuvers) of task groups to enemy attack.
I also hope that any (if there is any) short comings from squads or squad members are dealt with in a consistent, fair, but firm manner since the 332nd is planning on returning to FSO next month.
ROC all I can say is I understand completely and I am sorry to hear your evening was spoiled.
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Thanks guys, it was a bad night for me, and I do hate venting.
I hope that, if nothing else, we've opened the lines of communication back up and move forward.
I appreciate the thoughts, and the support.
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I will give my perspective on what happened. I am hoping we can bring "closer" to this topic soon.
Dantoo's view is pretty close to what I remember. I remember at about 3min to go, I asked Dantoo if he was ready for me to jump the TG's. He told me he could not input the course. I check my settings it all was as it should be, I reset them anyway and he was able to input CV course. I jumped them to their places and Dantoo took it from there. This caused the delay at the beginning of the frame.
Some minutes later, I noticed that one of the CV's ( I thought it was 5) was on a grand tour of the map, heading to the SW, out of it's area. If I remember correctly I posted on Axis 150 text that the CV was not on a correct course. At about that time I got a PM from Dantoo that "someone" was messing with a CV and he could not control it. I looked to see who was in command of the wayward CV and it was 1Hunglo. This is why I assumed that 1Hunglo was a rouge CV commander, bent on no good. I PM'd 1Hunglo and gave him the "Hey what are you doing with that CV? IT'S NOT YOUR BUSSINESS TO MESS WITH IT!" He let me know he was suposed to control the CV. It was about this time that Dantoo PM'd me letting me know that 1Hunglo was supposed to be in control of the CV. Now I am wondering why I am yelling at the guy who is supposed to have control. :lol
All wound up being worked out, it was just a big mass of confusion there for a moment.
There is no discipline to be handed out. Everyone contributed to this situation in someway. Nobody was trying to sabotage the event, it just happened.
We will give some thought to "CV control", and will come up with a suggested procedure for it.
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We will give some thought to "CV control", and will come up with a suggested procedure for it.
That worries me more than anything that happened.
I reiterate, the 2 cvs that were being screwed with were the ones that nobody had formal control of. The person that was screwing with the cvs was never identified (therefore they could not be disciplined or kicked). Getting a couple of squad COs to take control of them stopped the nonsense. You can't always readily identify rogue players. Sometimes they are just ignorant, sometimes they are just being ba****ds. Squad CO's must accept responsibility for the actions of their squads.
There were a lot of sensible, level-headed, seasoned, all round good- guy players there last week. There were a couple of twits. The good-guys got it sorted and that was that. I can't believe you are talking about restricting the good guys in the future and surrendering to the twits.
CIC's should have control, nay, need to have control of their assets. If you take control of CV's away from CIC's please ensure you never roster me for the job again.
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Just have the COs set a box pattern in the sector they are supposed to be in and leave it alone. Good bombers can hit a turning CV anyway.
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My suggestion: There's a "setup" aspect for the FSO event starting sometimes well in advance of an hour before the event. There are only a limited number of CV's used in any event. Any player in the event that gets there "first" can Command the CVs.
When CV's are in use, the CiC can designate the driver, and that driver can show up early enough to take Command well in advance of the start of the frame.
That's just my $0.02; command privileges comes with responsibility. Being at the event in time to effectively command is that responsibility.
(puts on riot gear and picks up riot shield) Commence the verbal thrashing.
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Don't want to have the CV in-place until the event is just about to begin, though, as if you set it in position well in advance then folks can see where it is and when they get in uniform will know exactly where to go to kill it. I think they do it at the last second for secrecy's sake.
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RDRTrash what your saying doesn't address the problem that occurred. There was no problem with timeliness and I am not sure there ever has been. I presume a setup CM would just place CVs in their areas at an appropriate time and that would be the best thing to do in that case.
All that happened here was that a single UNKNOWN person on that server started screwing with the CVs well after the start. It may not have even been someone in the event.
The CM mistakenly identified someone as the miscreant. This got sorted fairly quickly. The CM had to act to take back control of the CVs as the CIC could not get control of the misdirected ones. No name appeared next to the misdirected ones in the CV control panel.
To stop the UNKNOWN person screwing with the CVs, certain squad COs took control of them after being asked to. This was the BEST SOLUTION as it allowed flexibility in control of the CVs as well as stopped the interference dead. There were no further problems in respect of the CVs. All troubles over in a couple of minutes.
There were some other farcical happenings not related to CVs at all. Some of it has been repeated in this thread. There is at least one squad that has to look at the conduct of its members. If the squad can't get it sorted then it is up to the CMs to summarily guide them.
To prevent CICs or their nominated players from controlling CVs because of the one time interference of a single griefer (who had a total of zero effect) is the most appalling suggestion that could be entertained.
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cc Dantoo...
RDRTrash what your saying doesn't address the problem that occurred.
What I'd said was a suggestion to prevent it from happening again without a new rule or process. Indeed you identified exactly what I'd intended to say but you said it better in your reply...
To stop the UNKNOWN person screwing with the CVs, certain squad COs took control of them after being asked to. This was the BEST SOLUTION as it allowed flexibility in control of the CVs as well as stopped the interference dead.
What I'd tried to say was to suggest that those very same squad CO's take command of the CV's at the earliest part of the frame and retain control of the CV's throughout the frame, which prevents some unknown from changing the CV's paths.
I think we are saying the same thing, I'm just suggesting that Squad CO's take and retain CV command throughout the frame as a regular pattern of behavior.
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Originally posted by Dantoo
That worries me more than anything that happened.
Oh come now, you needn't worry, we won't suggest anything to crazy :)
Notice I said "Suggested Procedure".
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Dantoo..
I fly with VF-31 and was part of the VF-4 VF-31 Co-Op..
Our sqaud was assigned as fighter cover for CV-4 and we understaood what our orders were as far as CV control..
After the Go signal and after everyone else took off from CV4 we took off to fly a high- low cap to protect the CV..
What the problem was from our perspective was that once we were airborne we did not have control of the CV we were responsible for, hence the rift.
I think the main rift from 1hunglo's perspective was that he was told he was moving a CV against the orders of the operation was was told to release it which he did then it was left on exactly the same course he had set it on.
I knew that the other CV's were being moved clear across the map and I now know that Sled mistakenly thought it was CV-4 which was why he contacted 1hunglo.
For a period of time after everyone was airborne we did not have control of the CV we were 1. Supposed to protect and 2. were supposed to have control of per the orders of the FSO.
Once this all got worked out and control of the CV was put back with our squad there was no issue.. In fact I was given the CV to control once we got it back by the CO responsible for CAP.
By reading your post it sounds like you we saying that our Co-Op sqaud was basically (for lack of better term) "infighting" over who was supposed to control the CV or were not organized to execute our orders. That much I assure you was not the case. Those in charge were fighting to get control of the CV we were supposed to have so we could execute our mission.
It was very confusing there for a while for our sqaud because we were being told we were not to be mssing with the CV but the orders stated we were supposed to be controlling it.. Once it got worked out everything went smoothly.
I myself had no idea who was being contacted trying to get this corrected and am sorry to hear that ROC logged out of the event <<>>. We also had two players leave the event because of the confusion..
All in all once all the smoke cleared it was a very fun event and I <> those who take the time to put these together and run them for the members to enjoy..
Edit: BTW Drano the CV our group 1hunglo was on was CV4 which was the northern most CV.. It never went "Clear across the map" nor did it leave its grid. It stayed where it was supposed to all night which is why I believe 1hunglo may be saying something about your assumptions, he had nothing to do with the out of whack CV's :aok
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Sgt203 Firstly I want to say you personally were great to work with. You will get nothing but praise from me for the way you conducted yourself and the way you communicated.
It is a complete mystery to me what was happening squad-wise with you guys. Clearly if two guys logged not all was completely rosy, but I really don't know. You guys personally were far more help than hindrance to me throughout.
There was a couple of guys 89buky03, was one, I can't remember the other, that were commenting on how we weren't following orders or somesuch.
This is of course a nonsense. There was no wholesale changes to the orders. Even if there was, they have no business taking it up. The CIC can amend orders as needed and will often be required to. That's part of their job. It is not the role of players to start arguing and second-guessing the CIC.
When you sign up for an event you voluntarily contract yourself into a hierarchy. It is not a democracy.
Your squad CO will have to control the enthusiasm of the squad membership. We appreciate your people just want to help and with just a little more experience they will pick up how things flow. If they have something to say to the CIC or a CM they need to put it through their CO. The CO has a responsibility to be their voice. He also has a responsibility to keep a cap on enthusiasm and curb verbosity on public channels.
Now I didn't have much time to make the point during the frame but your squad CO was actually given a responsibility to "turn the cv" when it was under attack. He wasn't given responsibility to reroute it from the course I had it set on. I explained this early to 1hunglo and he seemed to cotton on that quite quickly. I did not once have a problem with C4 after that first misunderstanding. There was no relationship between that and the "rogue" who took control of the other two cvs. 1hunglo having command of the CV in fact prevented the rogue from interfering with it. This was the clue to me that I needed to get a couple of responsible people take control of them to prevent the rogue from continuing to interfere with the event.
I got two old-stagers in Nomde and MGD to actually take control of C5 and C6. After that all was rosy. Too much fuss about an incident that caused just a few minutes of wasted time for just a couple of people. Easily overcome.
The problems that this thread refers to at its start are problems with people getting out of order with their comms. The CV thing is a wookie. This is not about CVs. It is about who should be talking and who shouldn't be. Who should be contacted about problems and who shouldn't be. It's about discipline.
Give me twenty good dogs and twenty good men and by crikey I'll get some discipline around here!!
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The problems that this thread refers to at its start are problems with people getting out of order with their comms. The CV thing is a wookie. This is not about CVs. It is about who should be talking and who shouldn't be. Who should be contacted about problems and who shouldn't be. It's about discipline.
Can always count on Dantoo to Nail It.
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Originally posted by Dantoo
The problems that this thread refers to at its start are problems with people getting out of order with their comms. The CV thing is a wookie. This is not about CVs. It is about who should be talking and who shouldn't be. Who should be contacted about problems and who shouldn't be. It's about discipline.
Agreed, that is why I made the "chain of command in FSO" thread.
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I believe there was alot of confusion & miss communication. Yes we had ppl blow up & get mad and that should haven't been the way to go.
This game to me is a stress reliever and I luv the CM Staff that get these sweeeeett scenarios running. I'm sorry for any problems that accured but like Sgt203 said; sgt203 wrote:All in all once all the smoke cleared it was a very fun event and I <> those who take the time to put these together and run them for the members to enjoy..
SLED wrote: All wound up being worked out, it was just a big mass of confusion there for a moment.
You said it brother Nice 262 :aok
I hope we have all learned from what went down & that we can better ourselves
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rattfink
'XO' VF-31 Tomcatters
P.S. I will CO for any Snapshot, ask ROC :D
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Give me twenty good dogs and twenty good men and by crikey I'll get some discipline around here!!
Dogs? Dogs? Someone mention dogs?
At your service. :)
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I had no idea of who was contacting who as that was not my responsibility..didnt even tune to the command channel, figured I would get info I needed, hence there was no contact from me about this..
I now assume there was more than one of our members doing so and I will have to agree that should not have been the case... Although with our squad as a co-op we kind of have 2 CO's one should be the "voice" in these events and Im sure we will work this out for future events..
I have personally no hard feelings I had alot of fun and look forward to many more of these type events.. I find them a refreshing break of the same ole same ole of the MA's..
I do want to say <> to ROC I truly feel bad about him logging off as he probably works harder at making things fun for the rest of us than we work to just have fun... Apologies and big <> ROC..
Besides all the hub-bub I hope everyone else had as much fun as I did you guys all did a great job..
Thanks for the FUN!!!!!