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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: frank3 on May 19, 2007, 08:48:48 AM
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Hey everyone,
I've always wanted to take a vacation in the US, and I've been browsing trough google maps abit, it seems like a beautifull country! (all parts of it)
Only thing is, I, of course, haven't got months or years of vacation, and I can only visit a relative small part of the States :)
My question now is, can the Americans among us advise me a good place to go to?
Perhaps even the non-Americans with States-experience can help me too!
I'm not sure when I'll go, perhaps as soon as I've got the money (woa, 1000,-/$800 for a return ticket!) or when I have the time (not for a few years)
But I'll keep y'all posted!
Thanks in advance
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The US has every conceivable sort of vacation you could possibly want.
You might want to narrow down the type of vacation you would like to have. Or the kind of stuff you are interested in.
I travel all over the US (and the rest of the world) so I could help you narrow down the possibilities a bit.
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What is your idea of a good vacation? Once you indicate that, some choices can be suggested.
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Originally posted by frank3
I'm not sure when I'll go, perhaps as soon as I've got the money (woa, 1000,-/$800 for a return ticket!) or when I have the time (not for a few years)
But I'll keep y'all posted!
Just keep in mind that the currency goes the other way around in value :)
1000 ~ $1350.
You should look for a roundtrip ticket which are usually cheaper than one way tickets. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy a roundtrip ticket for one way travel and cancel the ticket after arriving to the destination (no refunds, but it can still be cheaper) :D
You should also look for various different airlines and maybe even different airports than the one next to you. With 1000 you should be able to buy a roundtrip ticket all the way to the west coast and still have money left to cover part of the hotel bill.
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Look over all the rest and come to Texas. We have it all. It`s a fricken Huuuuuuuge state.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Look over all the rest and come to Texas. We have it all. It`s a fricken Huuuuuuuge state.
:rofl
Everything but bains ;)
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what is / are bains?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Look over all the rest and come to Texas. We have it all. It`s a fricken Huuuuuuuge state.
:rofl
Yeppers... go see the Illegal Immigrant races over the Rio Grande in TexAss... then come to Oklahoma at the Red River and see how we stop the Texicans.
Fun for all.
:aok
Mac
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What is your dream to see?
Some "Must See" places I'd recommend:
1) Washington DC & Arlington National Cemetary
2) Downtown New York City & Statue of Liberty
3) The Grand Canyon/Meteor Crater, Arizona
I have always wanted to go to the Netherlands. I have a great uncle buried in Margraten US Military Cemetary.
68ROX
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BTW if you ever get down there, send me a photo, please...
AMERICAN BATTLE MONUMENTS COMMISSION
Talmadge A. Bullard
Private First Class, U.S. Army
Service # 34924938
28th Infantry Regiment, 8th Infantry Division
Entered the Service from: Mississippi
Died: 25-Feb-45
Buried at: Plot E Row 1 Grave 18
Netherlands American Cemetery
Margraten, Netherlands
Awards: Purple Heart
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
what is / are bains?
redneck brains
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Originally posted by Fishu
Everything but bains ;)
:lol
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It really depends on what you want to do with your time here...
Times Square in NYC is a great place to see, and a ton of fun, but man, I'm two hours away and it's about the most expensive weekend I could ever have.
Las Vegas is probably your cheapest destination, but since you're from the Netherlands I don't know that you want to spend all that money to visit the closest thing we have to your home :)
If you're looking for a relaxing time with friendly people, I'd recommend either of the Carolinas. Absolutely stunningly beautiful country to the smallest detail. (Though this isn't going to be a draw - even the medians to the highway I-77 is full of all sorts of flowers - which coming from someone used to CT, NY, NJ highways always makes me go :huh )
If you have kids, then Florida would be the place to go. Disneyworld, Epcot Center, places to see Manitees in the wild, Seaworld, etc., etc., a million things to do. Decent family plans too.
The bottom line though is that the United States really is a beautiful place with something for everybody. We have the best part of the continent - the one with endless variety :)
Google picture a few states to see what you like best :aok
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You could go to...Delaware!
Im in Delaware....yeahhhh...Delawar e..(Wayne's World)
;)
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See beautiful northern New England...wade in the cold Atlantic on the rugged Maine coast, catch a trout in a brook in the White Mountains of New Hampshire, explore the farmlands of Vermont, or travel south to see historic Boston. All these treasures await you...and all can be done in a few days.
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Spend a while driving round florida, then fly over to west coast and do the Pacific highway, and go to the national parks.
Internal flights are incredibly easy, dont just go to one place.
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Thank you everyone, for all the replies, I had no idea where to begin looking!
Personally, I prefer to see some of the American culture and landscapes, I have been told Texas would be good for this?
Vudak, you have some nice suggestions there, I think I'll keep those in mind!
Relaxing with friendly people is something I was thinking of as well :)
I've never been much of a city-guy, surely you have some amazing cities over there, but I'm looking for something more peacefull :)
It would be even better if I could find somekind of summerjob over there, and stay abit longer.
Perhaps at a farm or something?
Thanks again everyone, it's not easy chosing between such things, but I'll see what I can do :aok
EDIT 68ROX, if I ever get there, I'll try and remember to make a picture
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Originally posted by Fishu
Everything but bains ;)
Delicious irony!
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If your into history /museums
listed by state
http://www.censusfinder.com/guide_to_historical_museums.htm (http://www.censusfinder.com/guide_to_historical_museums.htm)
I liked Philadelphia ,and the Smithsonian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithsonian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithsonian)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia)
theres tons of stuff to see in each state .. depends on what you want to see and do . Florida is a popular place , its not much for scenery but it does have the space center and other stuff to do.
I'm shure if you picked a place or specific interest (Sightseeing,museum,historical,Amusement parks,aviation, ect ect ) everyone here would help you out ... you may even find a AHer willing to let ya shack up and or show ya the sights .
The States are a very diverse and spread out country
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Do you like:
Big city life? Man-made wonders? American culture(s)? Theme parks? Nature: tropical, mountainous, desert, beach, geological formation? Natives and/or history? Food? Camping and outdoor sports/recreation? Hunting/fishing?
Geologically America probably has more diversity than any 5 European countries combined. Its cultures are extremely diverse as well.
Like others have said above, this is an impossible question to answer unless we know much more about you.
About the only general thing I can recommend is to stay away from the flat Midwest; you dont need to see anymore flat.
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Originally posted by frank3
Thank you everyone, for all the replies, I had no idea where to begin looking!
Personally, I prefer to see some of the American culture and landscapes, I have been told Texas would be good for this?
Go west. Over half the land in the West is under federal management. Lots of national and state parks. Nowhere else you'll see such a diversity as in the Western US.
Originally posted by frank3
Vudak, you have some nice suggestions there, I think I'll keep those in mind!
Relaxing with friendly people is something I was thinking of as well :)
I've never been much of a city-guy, surely you have some amazing cities over there, but I'm looking for something more peacefull :)
Go west...
Originally posted by frank3
It would be even better if I could find somekind of summerjob over there, and stay abit longer.
Perhaps at a farm or something?
Negative. Don't try to overstay your welcome. If you get caught you'll be denied entry into US for many many years to come.
Anyways, 30 days is enough to get an idea of places, so on your next trip you'll know what to do/see/visit.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Negative. Don't try to overstay your welcome. If you get caught you'll be denied entry into US for many many years to come.
Fly into Mexico and walk north... then you can stay as long as you like.
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I wouldn't go to Texas. If you want glorious landscapes, try the various mountain parks in California. California Redwoods are absolutely spectacular, and the Calif state and national parks are outstanding if you want to go camping or whatever. Crater lake, Sierra Nevadas, Tahoe, etc.
Here's a website with a bunch of suggestions in California:
http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/california/northern-california.php
If you want to see cities, just pick one. New York is an obvious choice but San Diego, San Francisco, and any number of others would be just as fun.
Washington DC is a nice place to visit, but stay in the tourist or otherwise public areas because although it's our nation's capitol, there is a lot of crime in many parts because the place is guverned by people who care about nothing but getting re-elected, and the people of DC are not the ones who vote for them.
The Grand Canyon is awesome.
The ski resort areas in Colorado don't have much if any snow right now, but the area is beautiful in summer and there are lots of things to do during the off-season. Hiking, camping, biking, etc. and lodging rates are often pretty good when there isn't any snow.
Mt Rushmore is sort of neat, but there isn't anything else around there so it's sort of a day-trip at most I think.
Lava beds national park is neat too. Lots of caves.
For history about native americans, the entire southwest has lots of parks and ruins. Mesa Verde is one of the best known.
http://www.nps.gov/meve/
The water on the west coast is typically cold, but it warms up enough by July that the ocean in Southern Calif is swimmable. If you want to do any snorkeling or diving however, you're probably best off going to south Florida or the Florida Keys. If you have the money, Hawaii is extremely beautiful. Go to Oahu if you want shopping and touristy city life, go to Maui for less expensive fun, go to Kauai for a more nature-oriented trip.
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Regarding staying longer...
I think the big deal is you have to work on a longer-term visa BEFORE you get here. Your best bet might be to visit as long as you can as a tourist, then go home and apply for something longer term.
The US is pretty fouled up with regards to long-term visitors though, and it won't get any better anytime soon. All of our govt leaders are convinced that it's a good idea to allow into the country only those who are hispanic, refuse to speak English, think it's their right to benefit from social services that they do not pay for, work crappy jobs, contribute at a higher rate to crime problems, and send all their money back out of the country.
Anyone who doesn't meet those conditions may be denied entry because simply asking permission to enter means you don't fit the profile that our politicians want to allow to be here.
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Originally posted by frank3
American culture
:rofl :rofl :t
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In the top 10 movies in the UK this week:
1. Spiderman USA
4. Wild Hogs USA
6. Next USA
7. Fracture USA
9. Blades of Glory USA
10. Alpha Dog USA
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Originally posted by frank3
Hey everyone,
I've always wanted to take a vacation in the US, and I've been browsing trough google maps abit, it seems like a beautifull country! (all parts of it)
Only thing is, I, of course, haven't got months or years of vacation, and I can only visit a relative small part of the States :)
My question now is, can the Americans among us advise me a good place to go to?
Perhaps even the non-Americans with States-experience can help me too!
I'm not sure when I'll go, perhaps as soon as I've got the money (woa, 1000,-/$800 for a return ticket!) or when I have the time (not for a few years)
But I'll keep y'all posted!
Thanks in advance
Two words:
Mustang Ranch.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
In the top 10 movies in the UK this week:
1. Spiderman USA
4. Wild Hogs USA
6. Next USA
7. Fracture USA
9. Blades of Glory USA
10. Alpha Dog USA
I was only joking Holden.
I spent a month over there and loved every minute of it. (with the exception of NY ;))
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I know, but I am obligated to reply by law... something to do with Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Two words:
Mustang Ranch.
I thought the Mustang Ranch was closed by the IRS....
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*sparkle*
Diamond State National Park in Arkansas.
Only one that you get to *keep* the diamonds you find (often just 'laying around')
how does it ever get better than diamonds?
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Originally posted by Furball
I spent a month over there and loved every minute of it. (with the exception of NY ;))
I'm suprised you didn't like NY. The way every car there tries to run you over reminded me an awful lot of Britain.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Look over all the rest and come to Texas. We have it all. It`s a fricken Huuuuuuuge state.
:rofl
I hear Alaska is planning on subdividing and make Texas the 3rd largest state
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Originally posted by 68ROX
What is your dream to see?
2) Downtown New York City & Statue of Liberty
68ROX
Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey not New York :D
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It is like a dirtier, nastier, more concreted London. (i liked central park though).
But that's just my opinion, i know plenty of people that loved it.
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If I were from another counntry and wanted to see the USA I would want to head to New York City
(Personally I loath going to NYC but everyone should experience it once)
Washington DC
Grand Canyon
but really you cant go much wrong no matter which state or states you visit.
Each has its fair share of something interesting to offer
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Originally posted by frank3
It would be even better if I could find somekind of summerjob over there, and stay abit longer.
Perhaps at a farm or something?
I hope you don't say that to Immigration at the airport. They put you in chains for talk like that.
In actual fact you can work in America legally. I don't know if you are a student or how the it works in Holland but many students here in Ireland can get J1 visas which allows them to work in America for the summer. It's very popular with Irish students as a way of raising money for living expenses the rest of the year. (College itself is free). Usually they quit the jobs towards the end and explore the country a bit.
A good way to get on a 'Greyhound' and simply travel around if you can't afford a car.
America is a great country to visit. In all the time I spent there I never had a negative moment with an American, which is saying something. To be fair I spent little time in big cities. But then the 'real' America is out of the big cities.
Go for it.
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(http://hunts-upguide.com/photos/61.gif)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Negative. Don't try to overstay your welcome. If you get caught you'll be denied entry into US for many many years to come.
Originally posted by cpxxx
I hope you don't say that to Immigration at the airport. They put you in chains for talk like that.
Whoops, I didn't know it was that strict!
I thought it to be rather harmless, just helping out at a farm or something for board & lodging (got that from a dictionary)
I forgot how...challenging it is to get into the USA, especially these days!
If I wanted to stay for, let's say, 30 days, how would I arrange that? Any special things I'll have to tackle with immigration?
In any case, I probably won't be able to make it untill after the war (in Iraq) (not sure how long that will take though!) so perhaps things will be easier by then.
Thank you again for all the replies guys, but the choises are getting harder! Too much to see, too little time!
Here's abit about myself:
- I prefer not to visit large cities (nonetheless amazing, but I wanted something else)
- I'm interested in :
history,
culture,
relaxing,
sightseeing,
meeting the Americans
I can understand even this small list raises ALOT of options...
But I'll think about all!
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Two words:
Mustang Ranch.
two better words:
bunny ranch.
:cool:
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Hehe, got the internet for that...
but BOT now....
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Arkansas area: Blanchard Springs Caverns, Silver Dollar City (If you like cultural theme parks.)
Colorado: Estes Park and Rocky Mountain National Park.
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Fly into someplace like Nashville and rent one of these:
(http://www.ajga.org/newsletter/theajgalink/8-5-05/images/Truckster.jpg)
Then take a road trip west... See Mt Rushmore, Yellowstone, Bonneville Salt Flats, the worlds largest ball of string, ...
Time your stop at Bonneville correctly and be there for Speedweek (http://www.scta-bni.org/) Aug 11-17
(http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Speedweek%2006/photos_11_cars_4/IM001037.JPG)
If you are late for Speedweek or staying a month, then Sept 12-16 is
Reno (http://www.airrace.org/eventOverview.php)
(http://www.warbirdaeropress.com/Reno%202002/Saturday/start.jpg)
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Originally posted by frank3
If I wanted to stay for, let's say, 30 days, how would I arrange that? Any special things I'll have to tackle with immigration?
You are good for 90 days through visa waiver program which Netherlands takes part in...
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Originally posted by frank3
Whoops, I didn't know it was that strict!
I thought it to be rather harmless, just helping out at a farm or something for board & lodging (got that from a dictionary)
I forgot how...challenging it is to get into the USA, especially these days!
If I wanted to stay for, let's say, 30 days, how would I arrange that? Any special things I'll have to tackle with immigration?
To work in the states you'll need at least the green card, which grants you the right to live & work. Nothing unusual compared to the other countries outside of the EU - Tourist don't do work, to do work you need a permit. For a longer stay as a tourist you need to apply for an extended visa at the local US embassy.
A quicker method than waiting for an eternity to get the green card is to apply and sign up for 2 years in the US marines. I hear they have a lack of recruits ;)
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I enjoyed the Pacific north west**. Does not have the rat race of Cali and Florida.
** That would be Washington, Oregon, Idaho and western Montana.
If you ride, rent a motorcycle. No better way to experence the countryside.
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stop by sunny Fort Myers Florida and I'll put you to work crushing aluminum cans while you watch me drink beer and play Aces High:D
you will of course be required to purchase the beer in exchange for the lodging:t
let me know when to pick you up at the airport:aok
my Dad spent a little time in Holland back in the 40's and sometimes when my Mom was mad at him she would say he must have stood a little to close to a windmill when he was there.:rofl (thwap twaap twaap)
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The looong flight trips are good. They help to set your life targets to the places.
I was in Yosemite valley , CA, US at mid summer 1995.
The bellybutton numbing flight from Helsinki to San Fransisco....
Lessons learned:
- If you don't have your OWN a money enough to pay the business ticket... Leave it. It's NOT that good.
- Prepared yourself for the language shock... The peasants really talk the enrlisk of all flavors... And don't use words/phrases like 'Pardon', 'Shall we..', 'Marvelous', 'Indeed' etc (Royal wave to here).
- You can leave your common sense to the home. In US the lawyers will take care of it ... AT WILL. Just rise up your traveling insurance card "Yes, Sir!!!"
- Use your exotic native language with great wide smile and all 'doors' are open.
- If you are talking with peasants, don't EVER NEVER mention any negative issues of your life or you will end with tons of the shrink cards on your hands.
- the fifteen and fifty really means different amount of the $...
Have nice trip
:)
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Come here with an attitude like xjazz and you'll have a memorable trip alright. It won't be enjoyable but it will be memorable and the country will be better for your having gone back home.
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BTW: Frank3
IF YOU DECIDE TO RENT A CAR & DRIVE.....
Please BE VERY careful and wear your best defensive driving hat at all times.
Some states do not require driver's education (Arkansas) and some states have very relaxed training on highway driving (Texas), and many drivers from Central America (Mexico) have NO INSURANCE and can barely read our road signs....
Then again, there are 900 year old ladies in gigantic Cadilacs who can't see where they are going and got driver' education when they were Visigoths in the Dark Ages.
Beeeeee Carefulllllll....
Dank U....Alstublieft
68ROX
***OUT***
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dont come to NYC, too expensive, i can only afford it because i pay $160/month rent. hehe
**** though you want some adventure go to inner city detroit, join a gang, and buy some crack
dont go to texas (anything between NYC and Chicago and Chicago and West Coast is boring as hell) Trust me I spent a couple of days in Buffalo a couple weeks back and i felt like i was going to shoot my brains out. its like everyone drives their cars or sits in their houses watching tv, no place to gather and meet people. it sucks hard. there is an exception if you want to see nature then the West is really great... Zion National Park and Arizona, Death Valley, etc. The tip of Florida is nice, the rest is boring suburbs like most of this country. San Francisco is a nice city that isn't too intimidating like NYC can be to foreigners. You gotta be a certain breed to live in NYC. I lived here my whole life and get bored as **** anywhere else (except for Europe) .
peace
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
what is / are bains?
Bains
(http://www.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2000972/bbeans_Full.jpg)
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Originally posted by AWMac
Yeppers... go see the Illegal Immigrant races over the Rio Grande in TexAss... then come to Oklahoma at the Red River and see how we stop the Texicans.
Fun for all.
:aok
Mac
Lol - they stop us with 3% percent beer :P
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More information on what interests you would help a lot.
Culture is a real problem.... American culture has so many regional and ethnic subcultures associated with it. New York City, Memphis, and Venice Beach might as well be different planets. You have a particular stereotypical "culture" in mind? Southern? North Eastern? Those of Nordic decent? Cowboys? Classic New Yorker (rude, short tempered, and in a hurry)?
I ride motorcycles cross country for many of my vacations. I've seen good and bad everywhere I've traveled. I tend to just travel in a general direction and see what there is to see, with maps and tour guides along. I'll just disappear for 1 to 3 weeks like this, when I can. I'll camp most nights, and stay in motels or bed and breakfast every third or fourth night. It's my favorite (and more affordable) way to see the sights in the States.
Do you prefer ocean and seaside locals?
Do you prefer mountains, deserts, or wide open spaces?
Do you prefer big cities or smaller communities?
Do you plan to do some driving, riding, or making use of a rented Recreation Vehicle (RV-mobile camper)? Do you want to stay in a "base" hotel or hostel and operate out of there to see the surroundings?
Are you into Outdoor activities such Rafting? Kayaking? Hiking? Climbing? Camping?
Do you want to see wildlife as well? Buffalo on the agenda? How about Native American Culture?
Do you want to see some of the big tourist attractions or events? Grand Canyon? Mount Rushmore? Motorcycle Rally at Sturgis or Daytona? Yellowstone?
Make use of the various State Tourists and Local Chamber of Commerce resources. If something about a particular State or City or attraction gets your attention: send away for the brochures. These areas spend good money to create information packets. With them in hand, you can read up on an area's attractions, and better know where to direct follow on research and inquiries.
Also, consider a good mapping program of the States. Or just a big wall map. Start making notes about what you find of interest. You may find a particular area of the States has many of your interests in a reasonably local area.
Personal favorite regions you might want to research for the future:
Asheville, North Carolina. Located in the Southern Appalachian/Smoky Mountains. Friendly, artsy, retirement and outdoor sport community. Knoxville to the west. Blue Ridge Parkway. Southern charm. Biltmore Estate. Probably my favorite area east of the Mississippi River.
Maryland's Eastern Shore. Small seaside villages and farming communities. Find a nice bed a breakfast to stay in. Try to find the Red Roost near Whitehaven (or another good local crab house --- avoid the tourist traps.... get locals to give you recommendations) for all you can eat crab, fried chicken, and Bar-B-Que. Go East to Ocean City for some surf and boardwalks. Go West to Annapolis and Washington D.C. is the Nation's art, monuments, museums, and architecture is of interest to you. College bar near Georgetown for night life if looking for young smart-dumb drunk future lawyers and politicians.
Maine, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts if old sailing history, lighthouses, American's colonial and Revolutionary times is your thing. Boston (although driving there is the worse). Old wooden sailing ships. Arcadia National Park. Rocky shorelines.
Vegas If big city lights, gambling, great food, shows and entertainment are your thing. Sin City has a bit of everything to offer. Beyond the city, Lake Meade, Deserts, Mountains.
Rocky Mountain/Western Experience Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah. Tall peaks, climbing, hiking, mountain biking, off road experiences, great outdoors. White water rafting. Skiing. Camping. Big horn sheep, buffalo, mule deer, bear, herds of cattle, cowboys. American West. Yellowstone National Park. Grand Teton. Rocky Mountain National Park. Glacier National Park. Native American Reservations. Ghost towns. Gold Mines. I moved to Colorado because it opened up a big playground for my motorcycle travels.
Left Coast Kalifornia, Oregon. Stay north --- San Francisco or further north. Mountains and Coastlines. Redwood trees. Hippies. The Coastal highway is a great motorcycle ride.
Pre-Packaged Tours For many things, you can take a package deal. For example, there are several tour companies that will rent you a motorcycle, and you follow a tour guide for days to see and do various things, with a chase van following behind to carry extra gear, and deal with any break downs. AMA Tours (http://www.amadirectlink.com/travel/) for example. There are many others --- leave the hard stuff to the organizers, and get to know your fellow travelers. Best if you don't like to tour alone, or somewhat unsure about any culture differences.
Cruise See Alaska. Fly into Seattle to visit that area (and Vancouver), then take a cruise ship up to Alaska and back. Get to meet many Americans (among others) on-board ship, and see America's last great frontier. Inuit. Eskimo. Old Russian colonial history. Icebergs and Glaciers. Grizzly Bear. Salmon. Kodiak Bear. Seattle, Washington and Vancouver, Canada and the surrounding area are worth a visit in their own right as well.
Florida Disney. EPCOT. NASA. Everglades. Airboats. Florida Keys. South Beach Bikinis. Alligators. Alligators in town. Alligators eating poodles. Swamps. Cypress Trees. Sand. Sand fleas.
Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and Utah would make for good travel vacations, if you plan on some serious miles or spend a good bit a time researching them. They all contain some gems, but I would not say that planning a vacation in those states is a simple task, and those gems are spread over a wide area.
A big diverse country we've got here.
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You can come to Illinois. We have the following tourist package
1. Rent an automobile and drive to the south central part of the state. We have these exciting tourist attractions:
corn
wheat
soybeans
tractors
moo moo cows
trees
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LOL Meatwad.
Makes me wonder what Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, Wisconsin, and Minnesota put into their tourists brochures.
(well, in Arkansas, you can what the world is like without evolution I suppose).
Longest motorcycle run I've ever had to make was from between southern Ohio to eastern Colorado...... and I had to run that twice in 3 weeks. Highway traffic sucked between Ohio and Missouri. Whole lot of nothing to look at (and fewer radio stations) between Missouri and Colorado.
Forget the comic's name, but he had it right as to the response to a cop if pulled over in Missouri:
Cop: "What's your hurry there, Son?
Me:" I'm trying to get the heck outta Missouri. Have you looked around here? I'm trying to get up to 88mph so I can get back to 1985."
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Hawaii is nice. If youre a fan of the United States Navy, we've got active ports here, Naval Aviation museums galore (I volunteer at one) and if you like flying, especially gliders, PDH (Dillingham Airfield) has the best flying weather, and best scenery you're likely to find. Then, when youre done with touring Pearl Harbor and the other museum sights, you can relax on the beach, outside of one of the many luxury hotels. And if you want to get REALLY quiet, some of the outermost islands are pretty remote, and youll find nothing but peace and quiet.
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I forgot, you might also consider taking the train somewhere, Amtrak's Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle/Portland goes right through the Rockies and its probably one of the best ways to enjoy the scenery. I love train travel, its too bad most of it sucks in the US.
(http://www.mtnwestrail.com/montana/marias-eb.jpg)
(http://www.newyorkrailroads.com/montana/marias2000/amtrak_twomedicine.jpg)
(http://www.railtravelcenter.com/images/Empire-Builder-47.jpg)
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Originally posted by Xjazz
- Prepared yourself for the language shock... The peasants really talk the enrlisk of all flavors... And don't use words/phrases like 'Pardon', 'Shall we..', 'Marvelous', 'Indeed' etc (Royal wave to here).
That's splashing advice, I shall remember that! (:D)
I think the main difference between Holland & the US is the train travelling.
In here, it's the main public transport, and you can go to every part of the country within 4 hours or so (and they run at the minute precise ;) )
I was thinking of renting a small car or something, my driver's training was pretty good (small spaces and alot of roads in Holland!) so I think I'll be okay there.
I think I'll let go the idea of 'working' during my holiday, it seems pretty strict! But I can imagine problems with illegal workers etc...
And LOL @ the illegal immigrant races! Do people actually come and visit those?!
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Originally posted by Xjazz
- Use your exotic native language with great wide smile and all 'doors' are open.
Haha, Dutch isn't all that exotic...I always hated the Dutch accent (while speaking English that is)
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Originally posted by frank3
I think the main difference between Holland & the US is the train travelling.
In here, it's the main public transport, and you can go to every part of the country within 4 hours or so (and they run at the minute precise ;) )
The biggest surprise Europians get when they come to North American is the vastness.
Driving normally, it will take you ~5-6 days** to drive from coast to coast.
** depends on how many miles (no metric in the USA) you drive each day.
Frank, years ago had a Dutch friend. His accent got him many a girl. ;)
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Originally posted by frank3
Haha, Dutch isn't all that exotic...I always hated the Dutch accent (while speaking English that is)
(http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/new_line_cinema/austin_powers_in_goldmember/mike_myers/goldmember.jpg)
Yesh yesh yesh I lovesh ze dutch accent
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Originally posted by Xjazz
- Prepared yourself for the language shock... The peasants really talk the enrlisk of all flavors... And don't use words/phrases like 'Pardon', 'Shall we..', 'Marvelous', 'Indeed' etc (Royal wave to here).
Have nice trip
:)
I gotta disagree there Xjazz. It's just delightful to hear someone else who not only knows a second language (ours), but also takes the care to use the manners that so many of us no longer bother with.
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That's nicely put Texas, I'll try and use my best English :)
Originally posted by MiloMorai
Frank, years ago had a Dutch friend. His accent got him many a girl. ;)
Hehe, off to the USA with me :D
Smoke and a pancake? No?
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Hi
Looks like I was using way too few :)'s in my post :D
Our shoelace budget US climbing trip was fun and enjoyable.
Some US people were talking such slang, that we really didn't understand a word. When we nicely ask them to repeat and/or talk slower, they get hurt... "Learnsumenlglish, ******yurptrash!". Go figure.
It was often much easier to talk English with other tourists.
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Originally posted by Xjazz
Hi
Looks like I was using way too few :)'s in my post :D
Our shoelace budget US climbing trip was fun and enjoyable.
Some US people were talking such slang, that we really didn't understand a word. When we nicely ask them to repeat and/or talk slower, they get hurt... "Learnsumenlglish, ******yurptrash!". Go figure.
It was often much easier to talk English with other tourists.
Oh, that's awful ~ I'm sorry to hear that Xjazz ~ what a terrible impression that must have given you of us!:( I guarantee any one of those folks who were complaining about your English wouldn't take the time to learn a language other than their own fluently enough to speak to y'all when they travel. I'm embarrassed for us that you were received that way.
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Grand Canyon and Yellowstone. Everything else can wait for your second trip to the U.S. Do Yellowstone first, then Grand Canyon, and then drive to Las Vegas and you'll have a nice "sampling" of the US. :)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Grand Canyon and Yellowstone. Everything else can wait for your second trip to the U.S. Do Yellowstone first, then Grand Canyon, and then drive to Las Vegas and you'll have a nice "sampling" of the US. :)
Caveat:
If Yellowstone, don't go there anywhere near the time of a U.S. summertime holiday (Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day), or Canadian summertime Holiday (Canada Day July1st, Civic Holiday 1st week August) and best if done during the week (Monday thru Friday) to avoid the worst of the crowds that Yellowstone sees.
Also, don't limit yourself just to Yellowstone: there is a lot worth seeing beyond the boundaries of the park itself. Wind River Indian Reservation may be worth a visit, Grand Tetons definately worth a look.
If the Grand Canyon, stay in Vegas as "basecamp" and visit the Canyons from there.
Again, really depends on what kind of vacation you are looking for. Lists what interests you, and the suggestions you get should be more applicable.
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Originally posted by frank3
That's splashing advice, I shall remember that! (:D)
I think the main difference between Holland & the US is the train travelling.
In here, it's the main public transport, and you can go to every part of the country within 4 hours or so (and they run at the minute precise ;) )
I was thinking of renting a small car or something, my driver's training was pretty good (small spaces and alot of roads in Holland!) so I think I'll be okay there.
Driving in the US is nothing like driving in Europe. If all you are used to is urban/town driving, then when you come to America and get on the interstates you may have problems. Speed limits as "suggestions", many high speed tractor trailers, highway hypnosis, and variations in traffic violation enforcement are a few issues that come to mind :)
If you plan on driving any distance, to NOT rent a sub-compact or compact car. Get something mid-sized or better.You'll want the additional space, comfort, power and stability on the highways. See if you can get a GPS/Map/directions display as well. Get a cell phone that you can use in any area you plan on driving.
Plan on city hopping? You can always try flying from place to place. You can get from NYC to Orlando or Miami for less than $100 one way if you can find the deals.
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Originally posted by frank3
Hey everyone,
I've always wanted to take a vacation in the US, and I've been browsing trough google maps abit, it seems like a beautifull country! (all parts of it)
Only thing is, I, of course, haven't got months or years of vacation, and I can only visit a relative small part of the States :)
My question now is, can the Americans among us advise me a good place to go to?
Perhaps even the non-Americans with States-experience can help me too!
I'm not sure when I'll go, perhaps as soon as I've got the money (woa, 1000,-/$800 for a return ticket!) or when I have the time (not for a few years)
But I'll keep y'all posted!
Thanks in advance
Anything you could want to do, you can do in Texas, Theme Parks, Camping, Fishing, Hunting, DRINKING =), Water Skiing, Hiking, Rock Climbing, etc. we have it! Just bring plenty of cool clothes i.e. shorts and short sleeve shirts in the summer and lots of sunscreen!
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Originally posted by Sting138
Anything you could want to do, you can do in Texas, Theme Parks, Camping, Fishing, Hunting, DRINKING =), Water Skiing, Hiking, Rock Climbing, etc. we have it! Just bring plenty of cool clothes i.e. shorts and short sleeve shirts in the summer and lots of sunscreen!
dude u can do this stuff in almost any state, whiskey tango foxtrot?
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Thank you all again, for all the suggestions, I have enough things to choose from now!
I might not be leaving for another year or so, but I'll let you know where I'm going, perhaps I could meet some of you :)
Thanks again!
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Don't drink the water, don't take any wooden nickels and don't eat yellow snow. Other than that you'll have a lovely time.
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I'd recomend visiting Texas, then work your way to the West Coast. There's some breathtaking scenery out west. The Grand Canyon, Yellowstone and the California Redwoods.
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texas.
(http://brianabbott.net/travels/americantour/pictures/TEXAS1.jpg)
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Originally posted by JB88
texas.
(http://marianist.com/nlimages/texas-hill-country.jpg)
fixed
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Fly into Seattle, visit there, rent a car, drive to and visit SF, Yosemite, LA, Grand Canyon, Hoover Dam, Las Vegas. Fly home from Vegas after you've lost all your money.
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Originally posted by mandingo
dude u can do this stuff in almost any state, whiskey tango foxtrot?
just a suggestion and no need to be a Richard Cranium about it....
gives international salute (middle finger) to mandingo :D
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Originally posted by Sting138
Rock Climbing,
?? Does scampering up the embankment of the Rio Grande constitute rock climbing?
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Originally posted by tedrbr
?? Does scampering up the embankment of the Rio Grande constitute rock climbing?
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by rpm
Nebraska.
(http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/photos/photo_lg_nebraska.jpg)
i have to agree with you on that. it's real perdy.
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88, I don't know of that many people that go tubing on the Platte River. You could go cow tipping instead I guess.
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Oh, forgot to mention...
I see your wheatfield and raise you a Texas sunset.
(http://www.bssware.com/files/images/Sunset%20in%20the%20Hill%20Country.preview.jpg)
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the only difference between nebraska landscape and texas landscape is that the flat of nebraska eventually ends.
(oh, and tubing the platte is ****ing awesome actually.)
(the missouri ain't nothin to sneeze at either)
i live in florida. don't come here. it sucks where i live. (http://www.visitflorida.com/images/cms/1104245160.4038_lowres_lg.jpg)
(p.s. if you want a sunset go to arizona, or the grand canyon...now that's a sunset.)
:cool:
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Been there, 88. That's why I'm back here.;)
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its pretty bad when they won't have you in nebraska dude.
:(
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i will concede that the women in texas are fun fun fun til the daddy takes the longhorn away.
corpus christi...oh yes...those were the salad days.
;)
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Pretty sunset but it will take you a week to get the smell of pig **** out of your clothes.
You know what I really like to do when I'm in Nebraska?
Get the @#$% out of there. :)
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Originally posted by L'EMMERDEUR
Pretty sunset but it will take you a week to get the smell of pig **** out of your clothes.
perhaps you ought not get drunk and go babe hunting?
:confused:
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Originally posted by frank3
Here's abit about myself:
- I prefer not to visit large cities (nonetheless amazing, but I wanted something else)
- I'm interested in :
history,
culture,
relaxing,
sightseeing,
meeting the Americans
I can understand even this small list raises ALOT of options...
But I'll think about all!
As much as many of these folks like to disparage the midwest, a few days in St. Louis may be up your alley. St. Louis is one of the smaller metropolitan areas, so you do not get a lot of that big-city rat-race feel you will get elsewhere. Of course you can get the restaurants, shopping, etc. etc. that you can get in any metropolitan area, but without the big city feel. The people are generally friendly, and except for when there is road construction (which, unfortunately, is always), it is an easy city to drive around in.
There is quite a bit of US History in the area. St. Louis is the "Gateway to the West" as memorialized by the Gateway Arch. The Old Courthouse has a very good museum explaining some of that history as well. Take a brief look for yourself. (http://www.nps.gov/jeff)
The Lewis and Clark expeditions began in nearby St. Charles. (http://www.lewisandclarkcenter.org/)
Cahokia Mounds State Park is nearby if you would like to learn about a Native American culture. (http://www.pccua.edu/keough/chokia.htm)
The St. Louis Zoo is one of the best in the country. (http://www.stlzoo.org/)
There is also a good Science Center (http://www.slsc.org/), a decent Art Museum (http://www.stlouis.art.museum/), and several other attractions near Forest Park (http://www.slfp.com/ForestPark.html.).
There is also a Six Flags themepark nearby for the Kiddies, or riverboat gambling for the adults, if you are in to that kind of relaxation. There are sightseeing tours on the Mississippi, architectural tours, or the Missouri Botanical Gardens (http://www.mobot.org/) if you just want to take a leisurely stroll on your own.
Within driving distance are several attractions. If you like caves, Onondaga is one of my favorites, (http://www.mostateparks.com/onondaga.htm) but there are many others. Two hours drive gets you to the Lincoln sites in Springfield, Illinois. (http://www.alplm.org/home.html) Someone already mentioned Silver Dollar City, which is about a day's drive away IIRC. There is the Missouri wine country (http://www.missouriwinecountry.com/), although I won't pretend to know how good this area would compare to California wine country. Memphis is about four hours south, and could be included in a "midwest tour."
Bottom line, plenty to do and see (despite what those "coasties" all think).
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Originally posted by frank3
My question now is, can the Americans among us advise me a good place to go to?
Buy a cheap motorcycle, a pup tent, a coleman cookstove and a good map. Then start out on the east coast and head West. Stay off the interstate highways and out of the big cities. Nothing against big cities, but they slow you down. Try and keep the ride under 6 hours per day and pick out a campsite along the way.
On a bike you are going to meet people along the way who will feed you, share their beer and tell you about sites, routes and attaractions they like. Its inexpensive and a lot of fun.
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(http://www.upforanything.net/poker/Kilt1-thumb.JPG)
Stop by Las Vegas, I'll buy you a pint at the Tilted Kilt ^^^^^
You can meet some new 'friends' with me! :aok
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Originally posted by frank3
Here's about about myself:
- I prefer not to visit large cities (nonetheless amazing, but I wanted something else)
- I'm interested in :
history,
culture,
relaxing,
sightseeing,
meeting the Americans
I can understand even this small list raises ALOT of options...
But I'll think about all!
Yeah, some of the questions I can think of include.....
History: Long subject in it's own right.
Early Colonial America, Our Civil War, The Wild West, Gold Rushes, Cowboys and Cattle Ranches, Riverboats, Railroad history,....anything in particular?
Culture: That can be a tough one. Many places with thick culture can sometimes also be vary wary of outsiders, some can be very welcoming. Large population centers that see higher crime rates can also have guarded suspicious communities (as well as more dangerous to lone travelers). There are many kinds of culture in America as well. Many ethnic and regional cultures can be found in many places. A lot of diversity here.
Relaxing: Sitting at a beach? Camping? Sidewalk cafes? Coffee Shops? Relaxing outdoors or indoors? Relaxing at a Hot Springs?
Sightseeing: Natural wonders? Historical architecture? Small Communities? Wildlife? Monuments?
Meet Americans: Consider Bed and Breakfast (private homes that rent rooms to travelers), Hostels (more bohemian), and Kampground Of America (KOA) (lot's of fellow travelers, older American's, families, and most people who run KOA's are friendly and good natured) for places to stay and meet Americans.
Do you want some freedom to change plans, or would you prefer to join a package deal with fellow travelers where the organizers take care of much of the travel and details?
Also is the general climate you would like to see: Seaside, Mountains, Desert, Great Plains/flatlands, wetlands and areas with swamps and marches, great rivers, Colder or Warmer, Wetter or Drier, Low Altitude or High Altitude.
If there is more than one spot of interest, you might consider traveling between them by train rather than fly, depending on the time you have available. A good train with a sleeper cabin/car and dinning car, with a good view of the surroundings can be a nice trip. Trains are not a primary means of travel in the states, so you tend to get travelers that are more romantics, and less in a hurry, than those that fly.
I agree with Krusher that the most economical (aside from the bike and gear itself) and best way to see the country is by motorcycle, but unless you are already a good rider, and have the proper riding gear, this probably is not the route to take. And a good bike you could depend on for a decently long trip with enough storage space for clothes, camping gear, and the rest is not exactly cheap. There are bikes to be rented in the states, and organized tours, if that looks like a good option though.
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Originally posted by Krusher
Buy a cheap motorcycle, a pup tent, a coleman cookstove and a good map. Then start out on the east coast and head West. Stay off the interstate highways and out of the big cities. Nothing against big cities, but they slow you down. Try and keep the ride under 6 hours per day and pick out a campsite along the way.
On a bike you are going to meet people along the way who will feed you, share their beer and tell you about sites, routes and attaractions they like. Its inexpensive and a lot of fun.
That is an excellent suggestion. I once took a bike trip from Dallas to Seattle and back. It's a trip I'll never forget. Met some real good people along the way.
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Originally posted by rpm
That is an excellent suggestion. I once took a bike trip from Dallas to Seattle and back. It's a trip I'll never forget. Met some real good people along the way.
Yes that is why I suggested a motorcycle in an earlier post.
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After having caused quite a stir on here, frank3, I hope you post pictures after returning home; and tell a little about where you went & how much fun you had. :D
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That sounds really good, but unfortunately I haven't got a motorcycle license :(
But I bet the same can be done with normal vechicle?
EDIT: I sure will post some pics after I get some, but I'm not due to leave for a few years!
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Holy vacation planning in advance batman! Years?
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Originally posted by JB88
the only difference between nebraska landscape and texas landscape is that the flat of nebraska eventually ends.
Another Texas expert that knows very little about Texas as a whole I presume. :)
* Guadalupe Peak 8,749
* Bush Mountain 8,631
* Shumard Peak 8,615
* Bartlett Peak 8,508
* Mount Livermore 8,378
* Hunter Peak 8,368
* El Capitan 8,085
* Blue Mountain 7,835
* Emory Peak 7,825
* Lost Mine Peak 7,550
* Sawtooth Mountain 7,748
* Mount Locke 6,781
* Chinati Peak 7,730
* San Antonio Mountain 7,031
* Sierra Blanca 6,894
* Cathedral Mountain 6,860
* Mount Ord 6,814
* Goat Mountain 6,725
* Cerro Alto Mountain 6,717
* Newman Peak 6,650
* Cienega Mountain 6,580
* Santiago Peak 6,521
* Victoria Peak 6,432
* Gomez Peak 6,398
* Star Mountain 6,350
* Old Blue Mountain 6,286
* Elephant Mountain 6,230
* Capote Peak 6,185
* Casket Mountain 6,180
* Cathedral Mountain 6,122
* Mitre 6,100
* Major Peak 5,882
* Leonard Mountain 5,860
* Sue Peaks 5,857
* Borachio Peak 5,661
* Ranger Peak 5,653
* Dome Peak 5,360
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Originally posted by Curval
Holy vacation planning in advance batman! Years?
Haha, well I haven't got the money for it, and I don't expect to have it in the next few years (hey, I'm 19, haven't got a job yet!)
And I'm abit busy with the study at the moment :(
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Well, I will be over in your "neck of the woods" in October attending an AGM (Annual General Meeting) of an organisation.
I'm staying at the Okura Hotel in Amsterdam for about five days.
I'd like to go and see Arnhem while I'm there...is it far from Amsterdam?
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Originally posted by Curval
Holy vacation planning in advance batman! Years?
:rofl Very very very funny Curval!
Nice to pre-plan Frank:)
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Yes that is why I suggested a motorcycle in an earlier post.
Sorry, Milo. I must have missed it. It's a great idea.
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NP rpm. ;)
In 2000 did 20,000km on me Hog. From Ottawa to Vancouver with side trips, down into Washington, across to S. Dakota with a tour of Jellystone, then south to Denver area, then east to Oshgosh (fantastic aviation museum) and then north to the Sault and then home.
A trip I will never forget.:aok
As you said, it is easy to meet ppl when on a m'bike and one is not shut up in a 4 wheel box.
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Motorcycle is the best way, though it does not sound like an option for frank3.
I tend to favor Sport Tourers for travel, the Victory Hammer is mostly for local fun. Sold my ST1300 a little while ago, and looking at the new Connie K-14 as a replacement.
Give me a sport touring bike: adjustable windshield, heated hand grips, throttle lock/wrist rest/cruise control, lockable hard bags, maybe a top box, add a radio, speakers, and option for iPod.
Riding gear includes waterproof boots, gloves, a flip top full face helmet, and textile jacket and pants with zippered vents (I don't carry separate rain gear). Extra clothes packed away for trip. I'll hit a landr-o-mat every couple days when on the road and take a lunch and go over my maps while I'm there.
A river duffel bag on the back seat/rack will have a 3/4 season 3 or 4 man tent (gives me a little room, minimal cookware, sleeping bag, therma-rest mattress, water container, and misc camping gear.
A few tools, flat tire repair kit (I've used one of these twice in 20 years, and glad I had it both times), first aid kit, maps, cell phone, camera, spare key hid on bike, a couple credit cards (not all together in one spot), copies of registration and insurance information, and any related tour guides and stuff downloaded from the internet all rounds out my packing list.
With this rig, I'll just hit the road and disappear for 1 to 3 weeks. I start early. Stop for breakfast when rush hour traffic is about. I tend to look to staying in Bed and Breakfasts, KOA Kampin Kabins or Kampsites, and sometimes a motel room. Sometimes I find myself in a primitive campsites. Some days I'll only get in 200 miles wandering around and seeing the sights, some days I'll get well over 800 miles trying to get to a particular part of the country for my vacation. Superslabs are for getting many miles behind me, but I prefer the little black squiggly lines on the maps following canyons, mountain passes, and rivers.
I've seen most of the eastern United States, as well as Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland, right on down the Appalachians and further to Key West. I've run between the east coast to the Rocky Mountain states a few times, and now I'm looking to ride and explore all of the western states, now that I live in Colorado.
There is a lot to see.
(http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0101.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Give me a sport touring bike: adjustable windshield, heated hand grips, throttle lock/wrist rest/cruise control, lockable hard bags, maybe a top box, add a radio, speakers, and option for iPod.
Riding gear includes waterproof boots, gloves, a flip top full face helmet, and textile jacket and pants with zippered vents (I don't carry separate rain gear). Extra clothes packed away for trip. I'll hit a landr-o-mat every couple days when on the road and take a lunch and go over my maps while I'm there.
A river duffel bag on the back seat/rack will have a 3/4 season 3 or 4 man tent (gives me a little room, minimal cookware, sleeping bag, therma-rest mattress, water container, and misc camping gear.
A few tools, flat tire repair kit (I've used one of these twice in 20 years, and glad I had it both times), first aid kit, maps, cell phone, camera, spare key hid on bike, a couple credit cards (not all together in one spot), copies of registration and insurance information, and any related tour guides and stuff downloaded from the internet all rounds out my packing list.
Holy rolling motel Batman. :rofl
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1179924934_winnescoot2.jpg)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Holy rolling motel Batman. :rofl
LOL. Okay, 20+ years of riding, I spoil myself now. 1st bike was a '80 Kawasaki KZ-750 in-line twin with a sissy bar, a duffle bag across the back seat, a ALICE pack strapped to the sissy bar, a sleeping bag and cooler bungeed on somewhere, and a windjammer windscreen bolted on.
And lot's of spare spark plugs and fuses.... that thing fouled plugs and blew fuses all the time.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Another Texas expert that knows very little about Texas as a whole I presume. :)
* Guadalupe Peak 8,749
* Bush Mountain 8,631
* Shumard Peak 8,615
* Bartlett Peak 8,508
* Mount Livermore 8,378
* Hunter Peak 8,368
* El Capitan 8,085
* Blue Mountain 7,835
* Emory Peak 7,825
* Lost Mine Peak 7,550
* Sawtooth Mountain 7,748
* Mount Locke 6,781
* Chinati Peak 7,730
* San Antonio Mountain 7,031
* Sierra Blanca 6,894
* Cathedral Mountain 6,860
* Mount Ord 6,814
* Goat Mountain 6,725
* Cerro Alto Mountain 6,717
* Newman Peak 6,650
* Cienega Mountain 6,580
* Santiago Peak 6,521
* Victoria Peak 6,432
* Gomez Peak 6,398
* Star Mountain 6,350
* Old Blue Mountain 6,286
* Elephant Mountain 6,230
* Capote Peak 6,185
* Casket Mountain 6,180
* Cathedral Mountain 6,122
* Mitre 6,100
* Major Peak 5,882
* Leonard Mountain 5,860
* Sue Peaks 5,857
* Borachio Peak 5,661
* Ranger Peak 5,653
* Dome Peak 5,360
if you don't mind driving for an eternity across the flat of the world to the part of texas they call southern new mexico. its wayyyyyy over there.
look at a map ifluff'n ya don't believe me.
;)
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Originally posted by JB88
if you don't mind driving for an eternity across the flat of the world to the part of texas they call southern new mexico. its wayyyyyy over there.
look at a map ifluff'n ya don't believe me.
;)
Hill Country, East Texas rolling hills, etc. All are beautiful country.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Another Texas expert that knows very little about Texas as a whole I presume.
* Guadalupe Peak 8,749
* Bush Mountain 8,631
* Shumard Peak 8,615
(list of peaks across Texas).....
Originally posted by JB88
if you don't mind driving for an eternity across the flat of the world to the part of texas they call southern new mexico. its wayyyyyy over there.
look at a map ifluff'n ya don't believe me.
Peak elevations are not the whole story either. There is the Prominence of the peaks and how high do they rise over the surrounding terrain on average? 8,000 feet may sound good, but if the surrounding topography is around 5,000 --- it's not that great.
Guadalupe Peak, Tx Elevation = 8,749 feet. Prominence = 3029 ft. Unsure of average for local topology elevation, but most of the base of the Guadalupe Mountains (probably the best in Texas, on the New Mexico border) run between 4,000 and 5,000 feet elevation.
By contrast the Front Range at Colorado Springs is 6,035 feet (officially), 12 miles west stands 14,110 foot Pikes Peak (Prominence = 5,510 ft, over 8,000 feet above Colorado Springs) --- a bit of vertical distance involved.
All kind of a moot point in the end: If your thing is Mountains in the States, then the destination should not be Texas. New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and probably to a lesser degree Washington, Oregon, and northern California are all better destinations for mountains. The lower Appalachian and Smoky Mountains in the east also rate well, especially when subject to fog, and the ease of driving/riding through those mountains. Very different experience than the Rocky Mountains.
Rolling hills like East Texas, Kentucky, the Dakotas, southern Ohio, all worth a look, but much different that peaks.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
If your thing is Mountains in the States, then the destination should not be Texas. New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and probably to a lesser degree Washington, Oregon, and northern California are all better destinations for mountains.
To a lesser degree? why you scum sucking...
(http://physics.uoregon.edu/~belitz/db_virtual/db_climbing/pics/title_pics/mt_jefferson.jpg)
(http://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/acolvil/volcanos/crater-lake.JPG) ;)
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Peak elevations are not the whole story either. There is the Prominence of the peaks and how high do they rise over the surrounding terrain on average?
If you're looking for that look no further than Telescope Peak in Death Valley NP. From the valley floor at -282 straight up to 11,049 for a total of 11,331 feet.
Originally posted by tedrbr
probably to a lesser degree ...California
Right, I guess you never heard of mighty Sierra Nevada and Mount Whitney (14,494 feet), the highest mountain in lower 48 states.
If you want lots of diversity in a single state, look no further than California...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
If you want lots of diversity in a single state, look no further than California...
Hell, just look at San Francisco... Oh sorry, you said Diversity
Edit> SF probably qualifies for that too...
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Rolling hills like East Texas, Kentucky, the Dakotas, southern Ohio, all worth a look, but much different that peaks.
If you are peak seeking I would suggest Deep Ellum on Saturday night or Sturgis during rally week. :)
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Washington D.C. is alot of fun and alot to see for little or no money. But if you really want to have a blast, go to a NASCAR race! Cold beer, hot chicks, and fast cars! Now that's the America I love!:aok
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Have you ever considered a Cowboy or DUDE RANCH (http://www.guestranches.com/) vacation?
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Europe has the Alps guys so mountains are not something they would be awed by.
Though I did meet some Dutch ppl near Frank Alberta who thought the Cdn, over the American, Rockies were the more impressive.
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Europe has the Alps guys so mountains are not something they would be awed by.
Though I did meet some Dutch ppl near Frank Alberta who thought the Cdn, over the American, Rockies were the more impressive.
Canadian Rockies in British Columbia are probably the best in all of North America for spectacular views. Very remote. Lot's of wildlife. Not for the casual tourist used to lot's of ready comforts at hand.