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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKIron on May 20, 2007, 11:15:28 AM
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To those who refute their claim of being "fair and balanced" I submit this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273875,00.html
Feel free to counter with your favorite liberal rag offering a balanced report.
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Fox News is a joke.
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Okay... I'll grant that Fox entertainment news is as fair and balanced as any other network's entertainment news. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Okay... I'll grant that Fox entertainment news is as fair and balanced as any other network's entertainment news. ;)
Entertainment News?!?:noid
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I use Fox news as a counterpoint to keep the the bull***** that flows from the head holes on ABC NBC CBS MSNBC CNN in perspective.
Another good feature about Fox news is how splenidly it exposes those who hate it.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Okay... I'll grant that Fox entertainment news is as fair and balanced as any other network's entertainment news. ;)
Lemme see if I can name one that ISNT entertainment news these days.
And my list is as follows.
Ok thats all of em
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..Bull**** that flows from the head holes on ABC NBC CBS MSNBC CNN..
It simply is not news, but entertainment. The sad part is that a huge majority of Americans do not understand that fact.
Lemme see if I can name one that ISNT entertainment news these days.
I get my news via BBC World Service Radio (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/live_news?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=en-ws&nbram=1&nbwm=1).
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BBC, thats certainly even-handed:eek:
Can anyone name an obvious conservative who works at MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC or CNN--Stossel is a Libertarian, Scarborough is...largely unwatched---I can think of SEVERAL obvious liberals who are given serious face time at FOX. And I never see a rational explanation of HOW FOX is biased, merely that they ARE.
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Originally posted by Dadano
Entertainment News?!?:noid
(http://www.dotdoubledot.com/img/stuff/foxentertainment.jpg)
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BBC, thats certainly even-handed
Glad you agree.
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BBC is as much an offender of the truth as Fox is, if not more so. You need to unplug yourself from bias. Listen, let the truth flow from you, not to you, only then will you know freedom of thought.
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One positive article about a Michael Moore film doesn't really say anything about them being fair or balanced.
And yeah, pretty much all the news networks suck.
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If it comes in a video format, it probably is not news. Very high noise to signal ratio there. All about ratings and politically slated views one way or the other.
I'll stick to the written news. Still have to filter it a bit, but there is still much more content.
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Originally posted by Yeager
BBC is as much an offender of the truth as Fox is, if not more so. You need to unplug yourself from bias. Listen, let the truth flow from you, not to you, only then will you know freedom of thought.
I have watched Fox News, MSNBC and CNN. It is preachy opinionated garbage. Not news. It is for the easily amused, the dim witted, the weak willed....you know...the followers, the sheep. :t
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Originally posted by Yeager
BBC is as much an offender of the truth as Fox is, if not more so. You need to unplug yourself from bias. Listen, let the truth flow from you, not to you, only then will you know freedom of thought.
Thats deep
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Please understand that FOX news acts as a "balancer".
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Originally posted by 1K3
Please understand that FOX news acts as a "balancer".
That's rich.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
One positive article about a Michael Moore film doesn't really say anything about them being fair or balanced.
And yeah, pretty much all the news networks suck.
For every liberal source you provide praising Bush or any other conservative I'll show you a Fox News report praising a liberal or condemning a conservative. Consider the gauntlet thrown.
The BBC is about as biased as they come.
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The BBC is about as biased as they come.
I don't think you have listened to the BBC World Service (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/live_news?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=en-ws&nbram=1&nbwm=1). Stream the link. Find the bias. Find the slant.I dare you.
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Originally posted by Dadano
I don't think you have listened to the BBC World Service (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/live_news?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=en-ws&nbram=1&nbwm=1). Stream the link. Find the bias. Find the slant.I dare you.
Displaying arrogance and ignorance in one thread is quite an accomplishment.
Lets all give him a hand. :rolleyes:
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If the Dems are afraid to have Fox run their debate, how are we to expect them to deal with a religious movement which wants to wipe us off the face of the Earth?
Liberal standards for debate can apparently be met by saying "Fox sucks"... What on their 6:00 news is so horrible? They even have 2 libs and 2 conservatives discussing the news of the day in the last 20 minutes. Compare that to CNN with Jack Cafferty:
"This is all being done by the republican majority in an effort to appeal to Right-wing nuts in the Republican Party ahead of the upcoming mid-term elections. Ignore all of the pressing issues facing the country, and instead go grovel at the feet of the lunatic fringe. Senator Frist should be very proud of himself. That's leadership." -on the Senate voting for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage
"We all hope nothing happens to Arlen Specter, the Republican head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, cause he might be all that stands between us and a full blown dictatorship in this country. He's vowed to question these phone company executives about volunteering to provide the government with my telephone records, and yours, and tens of millions of other Americans."
"How important is the new Osama bin Laden tape? The last time we got a tape from Osama was right before the 2004 presidential election. Now here we are, four days away from Bush wiretapping hearings and up pops another tape from Osama bin Laden. Coincidence? Who knows."
or mebbe Chris Matthewsindy Sheehan Media Hero Award – Chris Matthews for claiming Sheehan is more informed than Congress.
Cindy Sheehan: "We’re not going to cure terrorism and spread peace and good will in the Middle East by killing innocent people ... I see Iraq as the base for spreading imperialism...."
Host Chris Matthews: "Are you considering running for Congress, Cindy?"
Sheehan: "No, not this time...."
Matthews: "Okay. Well, I have to tell you, you sound more informed than most U.S. Congresspeople, so maybe you should run."
— Exchange on MSNBC’s Hardball, August 15.
Slam Uncle Sam Award – Chris Matthews praising Jane Fonda's "objective" views on the Vietnam War
Actress Jane Fonda: “… But horrible things happened … we shouldn’t have been there [Vietnam]. So, you know, from that point of view, no, they weren’t good guys. They did bad things, just like we did. But we should never have been there."
Host Chris Matthews: "But there were a lot of people, Jane, who are very, a lot of people who are very gung-ho American, very patriotic, thought that war was a mistake at the time and later. But they can’t imagine slipping out of their American skin, their American soul and becoming so objective, as you just were a minute ago, to put yourself above both us and the Vietnamese and saying, ‘I find the Vietnamese were objectively the good guys.’ How do you step out of being an American to make such an objective judgment?"
— Exchange on MSNBC’s Hardball on April 15. Fonda was promoting her new book, My Life So Far.
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bj229, you are running into the brainless demodork response, an unthinking regurgitation demmies spout because they heard it elsewhere so it must be true. Basically a display of ignorance of the news program from those who haven't even bothered to watch it.
Kind of like when Dave Letterman told OReilly that 60% of what Bill says is crap, and when Bill asked for an example, Dave can't give one and admits he doesn't watch the show. Real typical libbie crap, tossing a judgement of Fox and it's people without watching the show. Yeah, you don't need to watch it a while to offer an objective opinion if you are a left winger, you can just spout nonsense.
Most typical is someone who says "I have watched it" when all they really did was watch 5 minutes of it once.
But, what do you expect from someone who would vote for Hillary anyway?
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Originally posted by Dago
Displaying arrogance and ignorance in one thread is quite an accomplishment.
Ignorance, please elaborate.
Thanks.
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Guys, I did not intend to generate animosity with this thread. I should have known better as the nature of politics is divisive and I am as prone as anyone to fall into the us vs them competition. Let us rather be willing to consider another's point of view, even if we consider them to be diametrically and extremely opposed to our own.
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Originally posted by Dadano
Ignorance, please elaborate.
Thanks.
Don't bother with Dago, he practices home trepanning :P
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Originally posted by AKIron
Guys, I did not intend to generate animosity with this thread. I should have known better as the nature of politics is divisive and I am as prone as anyone to fall into the us vs them competition. Let us rather be willing to consider another's point of view, even if we consider them to be diametrically and extremely opposed to our own.
Lol, mentioning Fox News in a positive light in a forum with a buncha dedicated liberals is like walking around Boston with a "Carl Yastremski sucks" T-shirt
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Originally posted by bj229r
Lol, mentioning Fox News in a positive light in a forum with a buncha dedicated liberals is like walking around Boston with a "Carl Yastremski sucks" T-shirt
I can understand why some hate Fox News so much. Their strength does seem to be applied towards supporting the conservative view which explains why I like them. That they can make concessions to the other side does grant them at least a semblance of balance, something the hard core left is sorely lacking or at least very reluctant to do. This paints one as magnanimous while the other looks mean and small. We all choose our own associations, choose wisely. ;)
Patron makes for a very tasty margarita. :aok
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Originally posted by AKIron
I can understand why some hate Fox News so much. Their strength does seem to be applied towards supporting the conservative view which explains why I like them. That they can make concessions to the other side does grant them at least a semblance of balance, something the hard core left is sorely lacking or at least very reluctant to do. This paints one as magnanimous while the other looks mean and small. We all choose our own associations, choose wisely. ;)
Patron makes for a very tasty margarita. :aok
I guess I wouldn't have a problem with Fox News or CNN if they removed the "news" part from their titles.
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Originally posted by Dadano
Fox News is a joke.
nawww Michael Moore is the joke... and he's on all of us.
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Dadano...could ya at least show an example or 2?
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The fact that Fox News (a very Conservative based news organization) gave a very extremely Liberal film maker a story that got air time and internet exposure shows they DO make an effort to be fair and balanced.
If it were my network? His fat behind would only get a mention for his obituary.
But then again, I read and analyze the facts.
68ROX
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Originally posted by AKIron
For every liberal source you provide praising Bush or any other conservative I'll show you a Fox News report praising a liberal or condemning a conservative. Consider the gauntlet thrown.
The BBC is about as biased as they come.
I really don't care to get in a source war about it. Besides, its not about Left-Right. Or it shouldn't be at least. I'd like to see all networks fairly critiquing all sides, but that never happens anywhere.
Outfoxed is a good video though that gets into the issue. Its more than just what articles say, but the balance of their editorials, both print and video, and who they get as commentators as well.
Yeah, all the news networks suck, universally. I'm not trying to deny that, but Fox is really one of the worst (hard to top the others). That it was started by Roger Ailles (sp?) only throws questions on its 'fairness', as does Turner and CNN for that matter.
OK, whoever tried to challenge Letterman on O'Riley being full of BS, one doesn't need to cite a source when its common knowledge. His continuing trend to tell dissenters to shut up is but one small example. I really don't have the time, energy or care to deal with that man any further.
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Have you ever watched Jack Cafferty, Chris Matthews or Keith Olberman?
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Originally posted by bj229r
Dadano...could ya at least show an example or 2?
Sure thing.
News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/live_news?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=en-ws&nbram=1&nbwm=1)
Not news (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvASD7rU0Ok)
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Originally posted by Flatbar
Don't bother with Dago, he practices home trepanning :P
Explain your personal attack please. Or is that beyond your capability?
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Originally posted by Dadano
Sure thing.
News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/worldservice/meta/tx/live_news?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=en-ws&nbram=1&nbwm=1)
Not news (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvASD7rU0Ok)
Dialup here
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Explain your personal attack please. Or is that beyond your capability?
He thinks you are mind ****ed. Trepanning was a medicinal method involving a drill, a skull and an unlucky human.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Dialup here
You cannot stream audio w/dialup or utilize youtube? That's no good. The news radio I listen to is very lean and lacks any real personal opinions. It's quite dry really. No bells and whistles just the news, and that is exactly what I look for when I look for information.
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Originally posted by Dadano
He thinks you are mind ****ed. Trepanning was a medicinal method involving a drill, a skull and an unlucky human.
I know what it is, I just would like to know why he decided to enter the thread if he had nothing to say about the topic, just jumped in with a drive-by insult. He loses respect that is for sure.
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double post
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Keith Oberman is a joke.
Even if I wanted to watch MSBNC to get some news it's simply impossible. It's always shows about California Prison's.
Red Eye makes me want to vomit by the way. It is the most un-funny, annoying show ever put on the air.
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Originally posted by cav58d
Keith Oberman is a joke.
Even if I wanted to watch MSBNC to get some news it's simply impossible. It's always shows about California Prison's.
Red Eye makes me want to vomit by the way. It is the most un-funny, annoying show ever put on the air.
I thought Oberman was ok when he was on ESPN
in regular News though he is exactly as you say, a joke.
More and more on ALL the news networks I am seeing "Journalists" inserting their opinions on political news.
I dont WANT your flipping opinion.
I just want the news.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I dont WANT your flipping opinion.
I just want the news.
umm PBS's Nightly News is exactly like that:aok
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Originally posted by bj229r
Have you ever watched Jack Cafferty, Chris Matthews or Keith Olberman?
Whenever Wolf Blitzer needs a political statement or second opinion on an issue he always refers to Jack Cafferty. I guess that's CNN version of a "fair and balanced" approach.... The poor guy starts foaming at the mouth everytime GWB name is mentioned...
:lol
I've listened to John Gibson from time to time, from Fox news. Last week he was comparing the differences in how conservatives vs liberal are treated in interviews, it was quite entertaining....
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I thought Oberman was ok when he was on ESPN
in regular News though he is exactly as you say, a joke.
How much can you spin or slant the truth about a sports event?
Two teams play, and there's a final score, with thousands of witnesses.
It would be great if all news could be simplified like that.
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Originally posted by bj229r
Can anyone name an obvious conservative who works at MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC or CNN?
Scarborough and Pat Buchanon both work for MSNBC.
A reporter should be neutral, not an obvious conservative or liberal. Unfortunately, many here seem to think if they are not an obvious conservative, they are a liberal. That same group would also label NewsMax as a legit source when it is actually the propaganda department of the RNC.
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I think it's funny that some people defend their favorite news station more then some of the hottest election year topics.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Please understand that FOX news acts as a "balancer".
Sure. I can see old Mr. Murdoch right now:
Biggsly, what we need is BALANCE!
I'm going to buy up the news outlets to balance the evil liberals who are ruining everything.
And I dont' care if I make a tuppence.
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Originally posted by rpm
Scarborough and Pat Buchanon both work for MSNBC.
A reporter should be neutral, not an obvious conservative or liberal. Unfortunately, many here seem to think if they are not an obvious conservative, they are a liberal. That same group would also label NewsMax as a legit source when it is actually the propaganda department of the RNC.
I'm sorry, but last Friday night, NBC News was like this:
Story 1: Katrina aftermath: Bush is bad.
Story 2: NOAA undermanned and under funded. Bush mentioned. Bush is bad.
Story 3: Immigration, Bush administration mentioned...Bush is bad.
Story 4: Iraq....yep, Bush is bad.
Whoop@ Story 5: "how Laura Bush gets alittle bit of extra cash every year..." coming up after the commercial!!
Every story mentioned "bush is bad" in one form or another. 20 minutes before they moved onto something that didn't not involve bush bashing.
I think Fox is the balance to the obvious liberal media agenda apparent out there today on the TV. Although I don't watch much Fox, I can admit that it is indeed bias to the right, but with it being outnumbered by the left media services, what exactly is wrong with that? I personlly like to hear both sides of a story before I make my mind up who is right and who is wrong.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'm sorry, but last Friday night, NBC News was like this:
Story 1: Katrina aftermath: Bush is bad.
Story 2: NOAA undermanned and under funded. Bush mentioned. Bush is bad.
Story 3: Immigration, Bush administration mentioned...Bush is bad.
Story 4: Iraq....yep, Bush is bad.
Whoop@ Story 5: "how Laura Bush gets alittle bit of extra cash every year..." coming up after the commercial!!
Every story mentioned "bush is bad" in one form or another. 20 minutes before they moved onto something that didn't not involve bush bashing.
I think Fox is the balance to the obvious liberal media agenda apparent out there today on the TV. Although I don't watch much Fox, I can admit that it is indeed bias to the right, but with it being outnumbered by the left media services, what exactly is wrong with that? I personlly like to hear both sides of a story before I make my mind up who is right and who is wrong.
Rip, do you think maybe all those "Bush is bad" stories might have something to do with Bush actually doing a bad job? It is within the realm of possibility, isn't it?
Would you prefer they paint a faux rosy picture of Katrina instead of showing some actual Katrina victims? Perhaps they should make up fake statistics about NOAA so it becomes a feel good story about weathermen. Should they do a story on immigration and not report on Bush's POV?
I suppose Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are "legitimate" sources since they would never report the truth on anything Bush did wrong. I don't remember anyone calling the news biased when 4/5 stories focused on Clinton and his foul-ups.
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Olbermann is another pundit, and presents an editorial opinion.
Still, I think he has a really good point with this one:
Keith Olbermann Neuters Bill O'Reilly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8&mode=related&search=)
Watch the whole thing. I think he's really right in what he charges at the end.
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Typical 24 Hr TV News Story (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/breaking_news_something_happening)
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Originally posted by Yeager
feature about Fox news is how splenidly it exposes those who hate it.
Yes it splendidly exposes them as knowing **** from shinola.
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Originally posted by rpm
Rip, do you think maybe all those "Bush is bad" stories might have something to do with Bush actually doing a bad job? It is within the realm of possibility, isn't it?
Would you prefer they paint a faux rosy picture of Katrina instead of showing some actual Katrina victims? Perhaps they should make up fake statistics about NOAA so it becomes a feel good story about weathermen. Should they do a story on immigration and not report on Bush's POV?
I suppose Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are "legitimate" sources since they would never report the truth on anything Bush did wrong. I don't remember anyone calling the news biased when 4/5 stories focused on Clinton and his foul-ups.
What you're missing here is:
No "other side of the story" being reported. Its one-way and slanted indisputedly left!
Examples:
Story 1: Katrina aftermath: Bush is bad.
(They failed to remind viewers that a castostrophic event has never occured at this level before in N.O. and no one, not even Nostrodomis could have predicted the construction "vulching" that occurred after...I mean they were actually suggesting the Bush Admin was behind the price gouging going on by the contractors rebuilding N.O.!!!)
Story 2: NOAA undermanned and under funded. Bush mentioned. Bush is bad.
(Failed to mention that NOAA has been undermanned and underfunded for 2 decades now! Do the research!)
Story 3: Immigration, Bush administration mentioned...Bush is bad.
(Failed to mention the Democrats that were the weight pushing this bill forward! Where was the Ted Kennedy follow up story?!?)
Story 4: Iraq....yep, Bush is bad.
(Speaks for itself, start with a story about another dead soldier and how Bush is bad...rinse and repeat)
Whoop@ Story 5: "how Laura Bush gets alittle bit of extra cash every year..." coming up after the commercial!!
(They make this sound like she's abusing money entitled to her..how? By comparing how much of this entitlement money was used by previous First ladies for charity, and how Mrs. Bush has not planned to donate any to charity yet...! OMG, talk about partisan politics!)
Seriously, if you cannot see the slant left on NBC evening news, and only see the slant right on Fox, then you are either truly blind, partisan beyond all recovery, or just stupid.
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So you're saying nothing they reported was true? How everyone dons a tinfoil hat when network news is the subject is amazing. Is there yellow journalism out there? Yes, there's a lot of it. NBC, CBS, ABC and even your flag waving FOX (gasp!).
Does that mean everything they report is fabricated and calculated to brainwash you? No, it doesn't. But you won't even admit there might be a common denominator (i.e. Bush is screwing the pooch).
I worked as a stringer/reporter for a Top 10 market ABC affilliate in the 80's after I got out of the Coast Guard. One of my stories even made national and was read by Peter Jennings. So, really I have no idea what the heck I'm talking about when we are discussing network news.
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Originally posted by rpm
I worked as a stringer/reporter for a Top 10 market ABC affilliate in the 80's after I got out of the Coast Guard. One of my stories even made national and was read by Peter Jennings. So, really I have no idea what the heck I'm talking about when we are discussing network news.
If I send in a joke to Readers Digest and they publish it, does that make me an expert on monthly publications? :rofl
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No, but if you take some college courses and get an internship you might have a clue.
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Mention FNC and the Libs get their panties in a wad in record time.
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Originally posted by rpm
Scarborough and Pat Buchanon both work for MSNBC.
A reporter should be neutral, not an obvious conservative or liberal. Unfortunately, many here seem to think if they are not an obvious conservative, they are a liberal.
Wouldnt they be considered commentators as opposed to reporters?
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Probably, Slash. But he didn't say reporters.
Originally posted by bj229r
Can anyone name an obvious conservative who works at MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC or CNN?
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Originally posted by bj229r
BBC, thats certainly even-handed:eek:
Can anyone name an obvious conservative who works at MSNBC, CBS, ABC, or NBC or CNN--Stossel is a Libertarian, Scarborough is...largely unwatched---I can think of SEVERAL obvious liberals who are given serious face time at FOX. And I never see a rational explanation of HOW FOX is biased, merely that they ARE.
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I'm curious now as to what or who at Faux News creates the most revulsion?
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Originally posted by AKIron
I'm curious now as to what or who at Faux News creates the most revulsion?
Who ever let Kiran Chetry go to CNN....
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
Olbermann is another pundit, and presents an editorial opinion.
Still, I think he has a really good point with this one:
Keith Olbermann Neuters Bill O'Reilly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8&mode=related&search=)
Watch the whole thing. I think he's really right in what he charges at the end.
I'm glad you posted this and I watched it Hawk.
Olbermann might have turned down the outrage and still have made a compelling piece. But that's how things are nowadays.
It's been 3 years I've gone with out TV. Don't miss it, and I read newspapers and browse online. And yes, the O'Club too :D
Though I disagree heartily with many posters, the over all skepticism and claims that they think news purveyors untrustworthy could be a very good sign in it self.
I grew up when entertainment news hadn't been aired yet. There was some guy reading the news, usually once a day.
The assumption was this stuff is important, and there's no need to jazz it up, make it up, spice it up so the network can drawn in more ad business and/or raise the fees next season to their advertisers.
I'm sure something like that went on back then, it just must have gone on differently.
TV wise, it was a superior time.
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Once there was a time when one might go much of the day without communicating with others. The young generation of today is fundamentally different owing primarily to cell phones. I don't think we can yet appreciate how this will affect our society.
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Who ever let Kiran Chetry go to CNN....
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Which Fox Babe was that? Post Pic!
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(http://geocities.com/kiranfans/kiran13.jpg) (http://geocities.com/kiranfans/kiran10.jpg)
Kiran
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(http://www.beaglexp.com/archives/kiran3.jpg) (http://www.beaglexp.com/archives/kiran1.jpg)
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Oh yes, she is a very pleasant young lady. I should watch CNN more ;)
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I don't watch TV news. Not unless there is a major event like a war or the election.
At that point I am glad that FOX exists and I watch them. It is at least not depressing. If I switch to CNN or MSN I get to see them almost weep when a republican is getting close to winning or when we are winning in a war.
The other news stations are depressing.
lazs
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Originally posted by Yeager
Who ever let Kiran Chetry go to CNN....
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Which Fox Babe was that? Post Pic!
I had no idea she went to CNN. I guess I have a reason to watch CNN again.:D
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I just read the iraqi times....its about as accurate al booooshes fault