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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: crockett on May 20, 2007, 06:13:37 PM
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Gotta love the dweebs whom have to switch sides and sit in the tower trying to get those 20 perkies.
It's happened both times Rooks were close to the reset today. First this morning teams are close to even we get close to the reset and all the dweebs jump sites and kill our ENY.. Drove it up to 27 this morning.
Now today after we fought back from all the bases we lost due to high ENY.. Teams for the most part even the rest of the day.. We get close to reset again and all the dweebs switch sites yet again. ENY was 20 when I just left.
I vote for not awarding perk points to anyone whom switches sides within 3 hours of a reset, or better yet don't even give perk points for a reset win.
As a side note I don't mind guys that are tired of a map and they switch sides to help reset. However dweebs that switch to sit in the tower are lame.
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I dont believe you get perk points if you switch right before a reset, at least you didnt in the past. Funny thing is, one run in a ride like an FM-2 or a 109F and you can make 25+ perks.
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Originally posted by Grits
I dont believe you get perk points if you switch right before a reset, at least you didnt in the past. Funny thing is, one run in a ride like an FM-2 or a 109F and you can make 25+ perks.
It takes 1 hour before they get the perks.. They always start switching when it's about 4 bases from the reset which is normally more than 1 hour away from the win.
Yea I fly A6m's all the time same deal I can pull 10 perks easily in a single sortie. That's why I could care less if they awared perks for a reset or not. Would probably be better if they didn't, might stop some of the lame team swaps.
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It takes 1h to be able to switch again. I didn't notice any change in the 12h before you get perks awarded time period...
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This lemming behavior CAN be used to your advantage, especially if the "winning team" gets hammered by ENY.
You switch to the losing side, lift what you want, and start hunting all those folks forced out of their Lalas, Runstangs, Splixteens, C-Hawgs, and Nikis by the ENY. They are upset they are not in their uber ride. Their piloting shows it.
A frustrated-target rich environment. Not good for running up your own score using higher ENY planes against lower ones, but if the effect is bad enough, it is definitely a good occasion to gather a couple friends, get some discount Me262's, or other (now cheap) perk or high end rides, and terrorize as many of the enemy as you can manage.
Flying defense of the losing country against the horde also guarantees lot's of quick fights against overwhelming odds. This can be especially fun in some planes like the Ki-84 if their ENY really has them in EW crates they are not used to flying.
Make it work for you.
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Originally posted by crockett
It takes 1 hour before they get the perks.. They always start switching when it's about 4 bases from the reset which is normally more than 1 hour away from the win.
They used to switched right before a reset when you had to switch 12hrs before the reset to get perks too. Some people are just dumb.
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Originally posted by Grits
I dont believe you get perk points if you switch right before a reset, at least you didnt in the past. Funny thing is, one run in a ride like an FM-2 or a 109F and you can make 25+ perks.
What and give up their dweebfires??
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Originally posted by crockett
It takes 1 hour before they get the perks.. They always start switching when it's about 4 bases from the reset which is normally more than 1 hour away from the win.
I'd like to see the facts to back up this statement. I'm almost positive that it's still 12 hours to get the perks. It's surely not an hour, since these complaints are presumably the reason there's a waiting period in the first place.
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who gives rats patute about perks... I have tons... anyone want any?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'd like to see the facts to back up this statement. I'm almost positive that it's still 12 hours to get the perks. It's surely not an hour, since these complaints are presumably the reason there's a waiting period in the first place.
Well maybe it is I have no clue, but if it is then someone should tell all the dweebs whom side switch and kill the ENY for the winning team.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
who gives rats patute about perks... I have tons... anyone want any?
Seems all the idiots whom jump ship to the winning side everytime a reset gets close care.
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And miss out on slaughtering hordes of noobs in high eny planes?! No way!
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Originally posted by crockett
Seems all the idiots whom jump ship to the winning side everytime a reset gets close care.
The big question is though, "Why do you care?"
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To perk or not to perk that is the Question. Whether tis nobler in the mind so suffer the sling and arrow of outrageous perks, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them...perks
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; and thus the naitive hue of resolution is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought
In other words ditch the perkies for reset being an idea. Most everyone would still fight for reset just to stuff it to the bad guys. nananana!
If anyone deserves perks for a reset it's the guy with the reset troops. Then we'll see if we get 57 guys sat in tower. Don't matter if their side switchers of guys thats been tipped off from the other arena....no perkies except for the reset capture guy with troops.
Could you imagine it....Dear allied airman we won the war here's an extra 75 quid. Thank Gorring for switching here's 75 notes...enjoy.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The big question is though, "Why do you care?"
Why because I like to capture bases and play other aspects of the game rather than just furball all the time. It's just as fun for me to go on or plan mission to capture bases and to defend them as it is to do just a mindless furball.
I'm competitive at heart so I like to win, so I get some fun out of trying to win a map. Just like others get fun doing nothing but furballing all day.
So when you work hard capturing bases and your team seems to be on the roll to win the map. Well it's just a little disheartening to see that momentum stopped because we can't fly planes worth a crap, to finish off 2 or 4 more bases.
So in the end, all the work we did capturing bases goes to crap because all the dweebs jump on the winning team killing the ENY. Then as soon as they see you're not going to get the reset they run back home.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The big question is though, "Why do you care?"
Yup, that's what I'm wondering.
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I think it's been categorically proven in the past that with sufficient #'s a reset can be achieved even with high ENY planes...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I think it's been categorically proven in the past that with sufficient #'s a reset can be achieved even with high ENY planes...
Zazen
If people are actually flying and fighting for the win, sure. We had on average 170 players in the tower during that peak time of them jumping to Rooks side trying to get the win.
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Originally posted by crockett
If people are actually flying and fighting for the win, sure. We had on average 170 players in the tower during that peak time of them jumping to Rooks side trying to get the win.
Maybe they're just trying to hose you out of winning the map.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
who gives rats patute about perks...
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Originally posted by crockett
Gotta love the dweebs whom have to switch sides and sit in the tower trying to get those 20 perkies.
It's happened both times Rooks were close to the reset today. First this morning teams are close to even we get close to the reset and all the dweebs jump sites and kill our ENY.. Drove it up to 27 this morning.
It is not that people jump sides, it is people from other side starts logging off because of close reset.
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Originally posted by crockett
SNIP ..... I could care less if they awared perks for a reset or not. Would probably be better if they didn't, might stop some of the lame team swaps.
So you started this thread due to the fact that you really don't care if they switch sides.
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Crockett it takes more then an our to get perks after swiching. I think its 6-12 hours I cant be sure. Its not people swiching sides, its people on the lossing side logging off. I know fo me the only reason to stay on when we only have -5 bases left is to dogfight in my Me163. I dont even try to defend, and have let C47s go right past me when I knew that would reset the arena.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I'd like to see the facts to back up this statement. I'm almost positive that it's still 12 hours to get the perks. It's surely not an hour, since these complaints are presumably the reason there's a waiting period in the first place.
Take this recent Patch hub. I left my PC on overnight. I logged on, got the download, and saw none of my squaddies were on, and switched to Bish because I enjoy winging with The Flying Circus. I fly with them for a couple of hours. I switched back to Rook, so I was ready to go the following evening. I woke up and the Rooks reset the arena.
It was less than 12 hours, and I didn't even pay attention to the Field statuses that whole night. As a matter fo fact, the "reset" never came up when winging with The Flying Circus. I absolutley had no idea that the Rooks were close to a reset. I got perks.
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Originally posted by crockett
That's why I could care less if they awared perks for a reset or not. Would probably be better if they didn't, might stop some of the lame team swaps.
So why even bother starting this thread? You've negated your initial argument with these two sentences.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
So you started this thread due to the fact that you really don't care if they switch sides.
Originally posted by Masherbrum
So why even bother starting this thread? You've negated your initial argument with these two sentences.
How do yo two get in your heads from this one line..
"I could care less if they awarded perks for a reset or not. Would probably be better if they didn't, might stop some of the lame team swaps."
That I've "negated" my whole purpose in posting in this thread? The entire point of the thread was to talk about all the losers whom switch sides to the winning side so they can get their 20 perk points and by doing so kill the ENY of that team.
How do you guys even come up with me not caring about perk points and allowing people to swap teams for a win is somehow negating anything?
I can easily get 20 perk points in a half hour if not more in that time.. Perk points are nothing to me. Seems most of the dweebs that switch teams close to a reset, do it to get their 20 perk points. So as I posted maybe a solution is to not award perk points for a reset.
The problem overall is that because of these dweebs swapping sides soon as it gets close to a reset, well they kill the advance of that team. Just like it did twice to the Rooks yesterday.
It's one thing if someone is tired of a map so they see one team is close to the reset and they go help win the reset. Hell I've done that myself., but I don't just go sit in a tower and go afk when a team is close to reset.
As I posted before at the peak of the second time this happened to the Rooks in LWblue yesterday, there were 179 people in the tower. That wasn't just a one time number it was pretty close to average for that time frame. In fact when I saw 179 in tower I did a sortie of about 10 mins come back look at the tower and it's 179 again. I'm sure that was just a random thing, but it was close to that number for a very long time.
Meanwhile the Rooks had about 100 in flight, Bish had about 60 or 70 and the nits had about 80 in flight . Sure the Rooks happened to have about 20 or 30 more guys in the air, but with 20-25 ENY that's not a big numbers advantage.
Then if you add in the fact that Bish and Nits at that time weren't taking land from each other , so in reality it leaves the Rooks fighting both teams at a disadvantage even though they had a numbers advantage overall.
This is why I posted along time ago, that people whom go AFK or site in the tower more than 10, 15 mins should not be counted against their team in regards to ENY.
Nothing wrong with staying logged in then going AFK I can understand people doing it, specially with the way people get locked out of arenas.. However those guys that do go AFK for extended time shouldn't cripple a team.
I can deal with ENY to an extent I mean myself I could care less in fighters because I fly 20-25 ENY planes all the time. However you try to make a good mission to cap a base and it's close to impossiable.
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If you don't care if Perks are awarded, then there really is no point.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If you don't care if Perks are awarded, then there really is no point.
No point in what? Resetting a map? Some of us enjoy the challenge of winning the map and capturing bases just as much as shooting planes down.
Just because I could care less about perk points points, means there is no point in a reset? lol man you sure have a narrow view of what this game offers if that's the case.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Take this recent Patch hub. I left my PC on overnight. I logged on, got the download, and saw none of my squaddies were on, and switched to Bish because I enjoy winging with The Flying Circus. I fly with them for a couple of hours. I switched back to Rook, so I was ready to go the following evening. I woke up and the Rooks reset the arena.
It was less than 12 hours, and I didn't even pay attention to the Field statuses that whole night. As a matter fo fact, the "reset" never came up when winging with The Flying Circus. I absolutley had no idea that the Rooks were close to a reset. I got perks.
Well, maybe I'm wrong then. I don't recall seeing anything regarding adjustments for the timer for perks awarded, but maybe I just missed it.
I don't think I'm ever on the side that "wins the war" anyway. :)
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Hey, you guys give Crocket a break, he's trying to win the maps so that he can save his perks to buy a life!:aok
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I think HTC should do what crockett said about not counting people that are in the tower and afk for more then 10-15min for eny. I've never understood why people that weren't in flight get counted when it comes to calculating eny for a side.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Hey, you guys give Crocket a break, he's trying to win the maps so that he can save his perks to buy a life!:aok
Apparently.. not only does everyone in AH own you.. But you can't seem to read either.
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Originally posted by Larry
....dogfight in my Me163. I dont even try to defend, and have let C47s go right past me when I knew that would reset the arena.
Larry, gotta be careful with statements like that. I bet right now, somewhere in AH land, there are some war winners who just went into catatonic shock.
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I must have reached some sort of AH nirvana.
Whenever I log in, I have to check which side I'm flying for cause it was the low numbers side. I have to laugh sometimes because I don't care which side it is as long as the fight is good.
And I can't remember ever looking at perk points. LOL I'm not even sure if I have any. I imagine I must, but i just don't care.
I hear people complaining about the maps, and I don't even know the names of the maps. A small green dar bar and a large red dar bar is all I look for.
All I know is I have fun whenever I fly. But then again I'm a P38G flyer so how can it not be fun?:aok
It can be an advantage being simple minded I guess :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I must have reached some sort of AH nirvana.
Whenever I log in, I have to check which side I'm flying for cause it was the low numbers side. I have to laugh sometimes because I don't care which side it is as long as the fight is good.
And I can't remember ever looking at perk points. LOL I'm not even sure if I have any. I imagine I must, but i just don't care.
I hear people complaining about the maps, and I don't even know the names of the maps. A small green dar bar and a large red dar bar is all I look for.
All I know is I have fun whenever I fly. But then again I'm a P38G flyer so how can it not be fun?:aok
It can be an advantage being simple minded I guess :)
Yea I do the same some times.. I jump over to the nits side or the bish side when the numbers are way off balanced and I feel like a good fight. However there are some of us that enjoy doing things in the game other than dog fighting non stop.
Hell if I was worried about perk points I'd always fly on the lower number team because you get more that away.
Just remember while you maybe think it's fun to fly a P38, someone else might think it's fun to fly a B17 or drive a M8. That's what so many of the furballers always fail to see that "their" type of fun isn't the only fun this game offers.
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Originally posted by crockett
Yea I do the same some times.. I jump over to the nits side or the bish side when the numbers are way off balanced and I feel like a good fight. However there are some of us that enjoy doing things in the game other than dog fighting non stop.
Hell if I was worried about perk points I'd always fly on the lower number team because you get more that away.
Just remember while you maybe think it's fun to fly a P38, someone else might think it's fun to fly a B17 or drive a M8. That's what so many of the furballers always fail to see that "their" type of fun isn't the only fun this game offers.
Crockett. I've said it forever. Unperk em all and let folks fly what they want. I don't care what the other guy is in. I'm just going to have fun.
This isn't about furballing to me. I'm just not a buff guy in the game. Corky is my fantasy fighter pilot. Lugging a bomb is not what Corky does. He can barely hit the ground with a bomb, much less a target. Covering buffs is fine, covering Fighter-Bombers is fine. I just go where the fight is. I could care less about the strategy.
If that's how other folks want to play, thats fine too.
HTC has their reasons, well thought out no doubt, about how the game is set up. I just work with what I have. And of course being a 38G pilot, I don't have to worry about perks, ENY or anything else in the LW arenas :)
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if you swtich befor a map is reset,you will not get the 25perks,you need to be on the wining side for a period of time.
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I think they should put back the rule that if you were on in the last 12 hours you get the perks too. Maybe change it though from 12 hours to something like 4-6 hours. I mean just because you weren't there when the reset happened doesn't mean you didn't contribute to the victory. I mean say you were on all day helping your side to win and you leave because you have something in real life you have to do, and not long after you leave your side ends up winning. I mean I personaly don't need the perks, it's just the principle of it.
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Originally posted by trax1
I think they should put back the rule that if you were on in the last 12 hours you get the perks too. Maybe change it though from 12 hours to something like 4-6 hours. I mean just because you weren't there when the reset happened doesn't mean you didn't contribute to the victory. I mean say you were on all day helping your side to win and you leave because you have something in real life you have to do, and not long after you leave your side ends up winning. I mean I personaly don't need the perks, it's just the principle of it.
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Originally posted by trax1
I think HTC should do what crockett said about not counting people that are in the tower and afk for more then 10-15min for eny. I've never understood why people that weren't in flight get counted when it comes to calculating eny for a side.
Which is it?
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Originally posted by crockett
Apparently.. not only does everyone in AH own you.. But you can't seem to read either.
Crockettrockette! You are much to anal about this perk win the war thingy bro. You made insultory remarks about peeps who just like to furball, yet you don't take jokes about your behavior very well. You've contradicted yourself many times in your posts in this thread, yet can't understand why many of the replies are giving you grief. Someone who is worried about the lowly 25 perks from winning the war, or the fact that ENY is not letting them up their ride, is missing a big part of where HT wants this game to evolve. Your thread is whiney and you're apparently clueless of how to make your time in AH enjoyable..............and I own you in all things AH!!!!:aok
Mark
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"mindless furball"
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yep no point to resets. no point in winning a fake war. no point to furballing. no point of getting high rank. no point of perks. If you can't have fun playing a game, your totally missing the point to begin with.
while i think switching to the winning side is dumb/lame/pointless/dweeby/ and something a squeaker would do, i don't really see how people jumping off a sinking ship is really destroying the game. should we also complain about those who log off or change arena's because they are sick of getting hoarded by another team?
it's really a side balancing question, personally i liked the idea of not being able to change country to a side that already has plenty of numbers....at any point. however, when the reset is near, i would think these ship jumpers would do little to help "the cause" to begin with. Lots of people see a reset is near, and just log off, because they know what type of gameplay they will be facing.....the kind that is not always that fun.....which defeats the purpose of a game:)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Originally posted by trax1
I think they should put back the rule that if you were on in the last 12 hours you get the perks too. Maybe change it though from 12 hours to something like 4-6 hours. I mean just because you weren't there when the reset happened doesn't mean you didn't contribute to the victory. I mean say you were on all day helping your side to win and you leave because you have something in real life you have to do, and not long after you leave your side ends up winning. I mean I personaly don't need the perks, it's just the principle of it.
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Originally posted by trax1
I think HTC should do what crockett said about not counting people that are in the tower and afk for more then 10-15min for eny. I've never understood why people that weren't in flight get counted when it comes to calculating eny for a side.
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Which is it?
What are you talking about???? Do you understand the English language? I think you need to go back and re-read what I wrote, because the two post have absolutely nothing to do with each other. One post I talked about putting the rule back in place that gives you the perks if you were on helping to win the war within a few hours of the war being won. The other post I talked about not understanding why HTC takes into account people who are sitting in the tower and not in the air flying when calculating eny. Make sure you carefully read someone's post before you try to comment on it.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Crockettrockette! You are much to anal about this perk win the war thingy bro. You made insultory remarks about peeps who just like to furball, yet you don't take jokes about your behavior very well. You've contradicted yourself many times in your posts in this thread, yet can't understand why many of the replies are giving you grief. Someone who is worried about the lowly 25 perks from winning the war, or the fact that ENY is not letting them up their ride, is missing a big part of where HT wants this game to evolve. Your thread is whiney and you're apparently clueless of how to make your time in AH enjoyable..............and I own you in all things AH!!!!:aok
Mark
Very well said Rock.
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Originally posted by Simaril
Larry, gotta be careful with statements like that. I bet right now, somewhere in AH land, there are some war winners who just went into catatonic shock.
I know.:aok :cool:
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Crockettrockette! You are much to anal about this perk win the war thingy bro. You made insultory remarks about peeps who just like to furball, yet you don't take jokes about your behavior very well. You've contradicted yourself many times in your posts in this thread, yet can't understand why many of the replies are giving you grief. Someone who is worried about the lowly 25 perks from winning the war, or the fact that ENY is not letting them up their ride, is missing a big part of where HT wants this game to evolve. Your thread is whiney and you're apparently clueless of how to make your time in AH enjoyable..............and I own you in all things AH!!!!:aok
Mark
Maybe so, but I was just giving back what the "win the war types" always get.
We get called "tool sheaders" or what ever the current name is all the time. In this post you didn't even read the fact that I said I care nothing about perks. You just assumed because I like to win a map, that I wanted to do it to get 20 perks.
Hence the reason I replied to you like I did, hell just read your first post. Had you read the entire thread you would see that I suggested taking away the win the war perks.
Perks have nothing to do with me wanting to take bases or win a map. I do it because I think it's fun. Hell I already have more GV and bomber perks than I think I could ever use. The only thing I even use perks on are for 262's when I feel like doing something diffrent.
Once in awhile I might up a tiger but IMO I like both Panzers and Shermans much more than Tigers because the turrets are faster. So I could care less about perks other than being able to fly a 262 every now and then.
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I am still thinking u missed the funny! perks.....to buy a life........ ... ...get it?........:rolleyes: nevermind:aok
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Pssst Skyrock, "insultory"..... not a word.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Pssst Skyrock, "insultory"..... not a word.
Thanks. :aok I'll refrain from using it next time!
Mark