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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on May 22, 2007, 06:01:52 AM
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our children and grandchildren..............
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55800
Or at least it looks like someone is trying..........
Why?
Because it is known that the older people tend to be more set in their ways?.......
Hitler and his crew used something very much like this, and were fairly succesful in accomplishing their goals.
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no doubt the public school system is less and less able to deliver a quality education.
what's worse in my opinion is how the school system has been willing to not only provide a forum for those with a liberal political agenda, but now to actively promote these biases. National teacher's unions have become so extemely politically active its unreal.
my daughter is going to a private Christian school starting next year - not for the religeon, but to get away from the socialist hype that is being pumped out in public schools, and for the discipline. i don't pay taxes so my kid's teachers can try to project their political views on my kid.
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between the public school system and the media - conservative values are dying a very quick death in th US.
welcome to the future ... the very near future I am afraid
with both of my sons now grown and out of school, the one thing I'd do differently if I could would be to sacrifice so that they did not have to go through our public school system
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The schools in California are a complete disaster ... Los Angles City School District is
nothing more than a tax funded free day care center ......
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I will be helping to pay for my grand daughters catholic school tuition.
It is a shame that people with less money are forced to have their children go to worthless public schools..
Maybe we will get smarter and demand vouchers.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I will be helping to pay for my grand daughters catholic school tuition.
It is a shame that people with less money are forced to have their children go to worthless public schools..
Maybe we will get smarter and demand vouchers.
lazs
Laz...
That's very cool :aok .... I'm doing the very same thing for my grand daughter ....
CHECKERS
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be sure to check out Upromise (http://www.upromise.com/) as a way to save for college without really trying. we are doing this for our grand daughter
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Originally posted by Eagler
be sure to check out Upromise (http://www.upromise.com/) as a way to save for college without really trying. we are doing this for our grand daughter
Eagler ... Thank you for the information and link !
Regards,
CHECKERS
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Very disturbing indeed.:(
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Originally posted by lazs2
I will be helping to pay for my grand daughters catholic school tuition.
It is a shame that people with less money are forced to have their children go to worthless public schools..
Maybe we will get smarter and demand vouchers.
lazs
Good on you Lazs... But I have to ask, "What is with the local Church, regardless of religion, that they can't take care of their own parishioners?" ...hmmm?
Don't know what the tuition fee is for Catholics, who are arguably the richest of religions, but I think that they offer lower fees thatn other private schools do.
So what about the other religions at the local level? Is your (everyones) church doing more for the community in this vein, or is your church one of those, "Come to Sunday Social Clubs"?
Would be interesting to find out what level of community interaction the local churches into, and what level of parishoner interaction/funding is needed to sustain a school run by a church.
Who knows... you might see a marked improvement in academic scoring if more churches offered affordable alternate schooling to their public.
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Don't you get it? It's brilliant! Reverse psychology. "If they want us to do it, we must rebel and -not- do it."
Why someone didn't think of this sooner mystifies me.
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wrngway
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What are we up in arms about?
Safe sex?
What is wrong with teaching kids about how to stay healthy?
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the catholic schools around here all have waiting lists to enroll .. I'm sure it is the same in most places
Dadano
safe sex and safe drug abuse eh?
it is not what adults tell children to do in my world .. maybe yours
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Originally posted by Eagler
Dadano
safe sex and safe drug abuse eh?
it is not what adults tell children to do in my world .. maybe yours
Where in the world did you get the idea that he is advocating drug abuse. And what the hell is wrong with educating teens on safe sex?I am going to encourage you to have sex and encourage you to use drugs appropriately
I think you might have missed word 'appropriately'. He is not telling them to go out and have sex, nor is he telling them to go out and use drugs. He is simply educating them of how to safely go about having sex or using drugs if they choose to do so.
That article is ridiculous.
WND also has reported on similar assemblies that have been used by schools to promote homosexuality
:lol
That's my favorite line. I'm interested to see the transcripts from this discussion. The conference topics and speakers looked very interesting.
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Originally posted by Dadano
...I think you might have missed word 'appropriately'. He is not telling them to go out and have sex, nor is he telling them to go out and use drugs. He is simply educating them of how to safely go about having sex or using drugs if they choose to do so.
That article is ridiculous.
You actually believe what you wrote there, sport?
You think some 14 year old is going to remember anything past "go have sex"? They'll hear "blah blahblah go have sex, and blahblah use drugs."
In what world is it proper to coach children in sexual orientation? How is he planning on demonstrating "Same Sex Safety"?
He is programming them perhaps, but he sure is not educating them properly.
Good grief this country needs an enema in the worst way.
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Odee, I remember being grateful of having been warned about things that turn your wee to bleeding mush or warty scabs at about 12 years old.
Coaching kids' sexual orientation will work depending primarily on what the kid's sexual experience/education was beforehand, i.e. how well the parents did their job and what influences the kid had on its own.
I'm not sure if you meant that.
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You think some 14 year old is going to remember anything past "go have sex"? They'll hear "blah blahblah go have sex, and blahblah use drugs."
Yes, I do. I do not think the Becker stood up in front of a group of teens and said, "I am going to encourage you to have sex and encourage you to use drugs appropriately." Then sat back down. He probably elaborated on safe sexual practices and how not to use drugs safely ie NOT abuse them. (yes, you can use drugs safely)
In what world is it proper to coach children in sexual orientation? How is he planning on demonstrating "Same Sex Safety"?
Please point out anything quoted from Becker that addresses sexual orientation. The author of the article does say, "WND also has reported on similar assemblies that have been used by schools to promote homosexuality...", but they leave out any kind of quote from Becker promoting homosexuality. This article is a farce.
How about, "He played a recording of an "unidentified male" saying: "We all experiment. It's very natural for young people to experiment with same sex relationships. When you are 13, 12, 13, 14 certainly probably one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation. Even today, there are psychiatrists who will do sessions under the influence of ecstasy. If I had some maybe I'd do it with someone, but you know."
The transcript obtained by WND showed those comments also were from Becker."
Why wouldn't WND or Fox simply quote Becker saying that if they had it in a transcript? Why in the world would it be an unidentified male?
"and the fools get fooled again..."
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Bingo, found the transcript. (http://www.bvsdwatch.org/content/view/91/1/)
I cannot believe you guys didn't see through that article and O'Really's silly fibs. It isn't rocket surgery people! Get real!
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I think you are giving HS students too much credit ... they hear what they want to hear and act accordingly.
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Originally posted by Dadano
What are we up in arms about?
Safe sex?
What is wrong with teaching kids about how to stay healthy?
My kids are out of school but my grandkids are still going.
I think the response is WHO gave these people the right to teach my kids this stuff?
To agree with this happening, IMHO, is missing the point.
Parents are very often NOT consulted about what their offspring are being taught.
Was a time when this was NOT the case.
The point is, many see this sort of behaviour as a teaching system that is out of control, going too far, and taking the parents, who by the way are the ones paying for it, out of the education loop.
As to teaching Safe Sex?
I'm pretty sure many parents, taking the current crop of STD's out there, are doing their best to see that their offspring are informed.
As to the same .... I don't care if such occures between consenting adults that I hope are aware of any and all risk.
I DO NOT think a teacher, or instructor, telling a 14 year old that same .... is OK or NOT OK.
It isn't a teachers job IMHO.
I know I didn't hire em to do that.
Further I don't think our government, or our schools, have the right to decide for us what is alright or not alright in that department.
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Originally posted by Eagler
..they hear what they want to hear and act accordingly.
Funny you say that:lol
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The point is, many see this sort of behavior as a teaching system that is out of control, going too far, and taking the parents, who by the way are the ones paying for it, out of the education loop.
You don't even know what they were talking about. All you know of it is from a garbage piece of writing spewed by some biased site on the internet.
Read the transcript. (http://www.bvsdwatch.org/content/view/91/1/)
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Originally posted by Dadano
You don't even know what they were talking about. All you know of it is from a garbage piece of writing spewed by some biased site on the internet.
Read the transcript. (http://www.bvsdwatch.org/content/view/91/1/)
I think you are misinterpreting what is in black and white there, sport. Try reading the whole thing a piece at a time... Maybe it will sink in,
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yep... my grand daughter is not catholic but she will be going there... They will teach her reading and history and science and they will not be bothering with the other stuff.. she will get more actual useful schooling than is possible in the worthless public schools.
There was not only a waiting list but... she had to go to a class and interact with the other students for a day and be observed.. if she did not react to the schools satisfaction she would not have been accepted.
If she disturbs the class or is unwilling to learn or keep up with the other students she will be kicked out. Her sex education and politics and marx will not be taught in the school.. she will learn to read and do math.
She will get all this for far less than we all pay to put a student through a public school and it's agendized and academically inferior program.
If we had vouchers... everyone who wanted a good education could get one and America would be smarter and better able to cope with the real world.
We are getting screwed by the teachers and their union and the democrat lackeys who pander to em.
lazs
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Originally posted by Odee
I think you are misinterpreting what is in black and white there, sport. Try reading the whole thing a piece at a time... Maybe it will sink in,
What I am assuming is that nobody really wants to read the transcript, or look into the sources of the article. In the words of Eagler, "they hear what they want to hear and act accordingly."
I am not attacking peoples opinions here, only the quality of the article. It is rotten information and if ingested and not treated with "context", it could lead to ignorance and a bad case irritable bowel syndrome.
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as I stated, they are HS students..
the only thing on their minds are boobs and beer pong ..
laz stated it best
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Originally posted by Eagler
as I stated, they are HS students..
the only thing on their minds are boobs and beer pong ..
laz stated it best
Read the freaking transcript! You'll see, via the question and answer section, that these kids are in fact interested in more than "boobs and beer pong".
Believe it or not I learned Shakespeare and Calculus in my "academically inferior" high school. I also learned to not tear the packaging of the rubber with my teeth but with my hands. I am eternally grateful on all accounts. Things have changed, "stupid" isn't as cool as it used to be when you went to school.
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I am hoping that my grand daughter will use the time you spent learning about rubbers to learn more about shakespeare and calculus than you did.
The more time they spend on the unimportant stuff the less time they have to learn the important.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am hoping that my grand daughter will use the time you spent learning about rubbers to learn more about shakespeare and calculus than you did.
The more time they spend on the unimportant stuff the less time they have to learn the important.
lazs
Careful, she might be too busy having morning sickness in the girls bathroom to appreciate Shakespeare's literary genius with that attitude:lol
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This is in Boulder Colorado; you could only find a place thicker with hippies in Kalifornia. Even then you’d have to search around a bit.
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Originally posted by Dadano
Read the freaking transcript! You'll see, via the question and answer section, that these kids are in fact interested in more than "boobs and beer pong".
Believe it or not I learned Shakespeare and Calculus in my "academically inferior" high school. I also learned to not tear the packaging of the rubber with my teeth but with my hands. I am eternally grateful on all accounts. Things have changed, "stupid" isn't as cool as it used to be when you went to school.
which begs the question how long have you been out of HS? class of ??
77 here
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Dano,
I read the transcript. It was a stacked panel preaching to an eager choir. There was no one presenting any alternatives. The problem with the consiquences of your decisions in youth are that if your choices then don't emidiatly nail you, you pay 30 years later while you are smart enough through experience to go watermelon I wish I coulda done it different. Then you try to teach our children or your grand children.
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No academician has the right to belittle abstinence and self-restraint (Boy...is THAT a dieing concept!) while requiring my child to attend panel discussions espousing left-wing notions of lax sexual mores. They don't have that right...period.
Parents should be the ones to choose the type of sexual education that their children take advantage of....not the schools. Protestations that the speakers in question were encouraging "responsible sex" miss this point entirely.
Gad! No left coast liberal should be allowed to migrate east of the Sierra Nevadas.
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Originally posted by Eagler
which begs the question how long have you been out of HS? class of ??
77 here
punk kid.
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It was a stacked panel preaching to an eager choir.
I agree. Kids are naturally very curious about screwing and different levels of consciousness. That is why I think this was a good discussion to have with them.
There was no one presenting any alternatives.
..but you know, when you are 13, 12, 13, 14, certainly one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation. (laughter from audience) Masturbate. Please masturbate.
That is a great alternative to sex imo.
or
...make up any excuse you want. “I’m abstinent. Uhm, uhm, my best friend, you know, died of AIDS.” Whatever. If you need an excuse to say no to somebody, because of the peer pressure—again, peer pressure can be hard.
Good advice, no?
No academician has the right to belittle abstinence and self-restraint
Please point out where they belittle abstinence and self restraint. Thanks.
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Hey wait.. those danged Left Coast scienti... er hippies!
Minnesota's Abstinence-Only Sex Education Doesn't Work (http://www.thebody.com/content/art26770.html)
maybe the guy was just trying to really help.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
punk kid.
I wish :)
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Aw c'mon MT...you and I both know what's going on here.
Abstinence came under attack during the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Our kids and grandkids are fed a steady diet of "sexual freedom" and "the joys of promiscuity" on a daily basis. You can't turn on a tv during prime time without being bombarded by scenes of mindless bed-hopping, look-at-me-I'm-gay or bang-with-me-I'm-hot, oversexed twits. You can't open a magazine or newspaper or, apparently, a biology textbook without encountering the new-age sexual mores being espoused by Hollywood or other bastions of left-wing ideology.
Fighting off peer pressure, and trying to remain abstinent, during the teenage years is difficult enough without that type of fuel being thrown on the fire. Leftist idealogues have been attempting to torpedo the abstinence movement ever since it was first organized.
If our youth are more sexually promiscuous today than they were 50 years ago it's because they have been programmed to be.
Yet, all that is completely beside the point. Sex education should be voluntary, and attendance at some "sexual-activity-is-good-so-be-prepared" thinktank should not be required.
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Bout halfway down the WND article (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55800) they cite Bill O'Really,
He played a recording of an "unidentified male" saying: "We all experiment. It's very natural for young people to experiment with same sex relationships. When you are 13, 12, 13, 14 certainly probably one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation. Even today, there are psychiatrists who will do sessions under the influence of ecstasy. If I had some maybe I'd do it with someone, but you know."
and goes on to say,The transcript obtained by WND showed those comments also were from Becker.
That is just about as far out of context as you can get, not to mention a blatant lie. I'll clear it up for you, add some context. The bold lettering below is what WND picked from transcript.
(This is a very important way of learning, from mistakes. But you know, taking someone who may have made a mistake, and you make them feel much worse about themselves—that they have betrayed their covenant with God, that they’re dirty, they’re impure, something is wrong with them. It’s a mistake. We all make mistakes.)We all experiment. It's very natural for young people to experiment with same sex relationships.-Sanho Tree<---in response to the question, "Does the education of abstinence hurt our ability to education children about sex?".
(So, what else do I mean by having healthy sexual behavior? I think that we also want to have a definition of healthy sexual behavior as sexual behavior that is appropriate to your level of emotional development. Now what does that mouthful mean? Well, I’m not sure that ninth graders, tenth graders, eleventh graders, and twelfth graders are all exactly equal, in fact I’m fairly sure you’re not, in your level of emotional development in terms of what you can handle. And if you think that having sex doesn’t come with feelings, that’s where you’re mistaken. Sex does come with having feelings, and that’s what you have to have to be prepared for. I’m going to come back to that in a second, but I also just want to just comment on, you know, I’ve been told that this is a very liberal high school, and I’m probably speaking to the choir by encouraging you to have healthy sexual behavior because most of your parents probably have given you similar views, but you know,)When you are 13, 12, 13, 14 certainly probably one of the most appropriate sexual behaviors would be masturbation. Masturbate. Please masturbate.-Becker<---From his introduction.
(Joel Becker: I would add onto what Sanho said in terms of that same thing I was talking about, in terms of your emotional development. I mean, I agree with Sanho that the human animal has seemed to want to change its consciousness to some other consciousness since the beginning of time, and I think that people are going to continue to do that. But, I think we have to find a way for people to do that in the safest way possible—harm reduction. And there’s no question that people’s worlds are changed after their consciousness is changed. Well, you have to really sort of think, am I ready to have my world changed? I’m 14 years old. Maybe I’m not ready to see what one sees on LSD. Maybe I’m not ready to have the feelings that mescaline provides in my body, or ecstasy, because a lot of those feelings have to do with feelings of being out of control, and they can be very scary to a person who doesn’t have a strong enough sense of themselves, and that’s why people end up having bad trips at young ages. They’re just not ready. As a psychologist, I know the history of the use of psychedelics. There’s a very famous man named Timothy Leary at Harvard who did therapy with LSD.)Even today, there are psychiatrists who will do sessions under the influence of ecstasy. If I had some, maybe I’d do it with somebody, but I don’t (they left this out), you know. I haven’t tried it but there are people that do it.-Becker following Tree's response to a students question about how narcotics fit into society.
Regardless of our opinions of abstinence vs. sex-ed. The article is fallacy, faulty and fluffied. It does not bode well for the credibility of the Abstinence camp. Someone might consider emailing WND and alerting them to their mistake.
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its all good - right?
after all I'm sure they'll cover the "dangers" of birth control by abortion in their "family living" classes ...
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Originally posted by Dadano
You don't even know what they were talking about. All you know of it is from a garbage piece of writing spewed by some biased site on the internet.
Read the transcript. (http://www.bvsdwatch.org/content/view/91/1/)
I don't?
Hmmmm.............
So I don't have children?
So I don't have GrandChildren?
Thinkin here the response I see is one that says what is happening is a good thing?
The response I see is that the state SHOULD continue to teach sexual values/morals to everyones children without telling the parents?
I disagree. I read the text books given to my children. I discussed my childrens education with my children. We talked about the things they were TOLD in class. As well as the things printed in their text books.
As to reading the transcripts, yes I read them. I still disagree with what was done WITHOUT informing the parents and WITHOUT parental consent in some cases.
That SEEMS to be the part that is being MISSED here!
Parents are NOT being consulted or informed. The STATE is deciding what to teach and how to teach it.
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Sorry Wrag. I understand what you mean. Lets agree to disagree on the abstinence vs. sex ed debate.
The article was blatantly crap so I threw everyone defending it into the same crap filled boat. Sorry gents.
Maybe you pick the article a little more careful next time:aok
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Originally posted by Dadano
Sorry Wrag. I understand what you mean. Lets agree to disagree on the abstinence vs. sex ed debate.
The article was blatantly crap so I threw everyone defending it into the same crap filled boat. Sorry gents.
Maybe you pick the article a little more careful next time:aok
OK....... we disagree?
I have no problem with individuals that enter CONSENTING.
To me it's part of being FREE or perhaps a better expression is AT LIBERTY.
"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Anglo-Irish playwright, critic
So if they make a decision to do something that is their business.
I also agree that they should have INFORMATION or be INFORMED.
I still remember certain magazines, hmm lets call em girly mags, telling everyone that if it felt good do it. You know the ones. Seemed like everyone had a subscription to em. Claimed they were reading em for the articles. :rofl
They even had, oh so carefully selected, so called experts telling everyone how SAFE it was and how modern medicine had conqured ALL the diseases involved.
I found myself WANTING to believe them.
Hey I was young and it sounded like fun and it sounded GOOD!
BUT somewhere deep in my mind or heart I had doubts.
Doubts that I NEVER managed to get rid of.
You see I had been informed by parents and family. The information they gave me was contrary to what the mags were all saying and what SO MANY of my friends were believing.
Turns out my Parents and family were the ones that were RIGHT!
The claimed experts were WRONG!
The girly mags were WRONG!
ALLOT of lives were ruined or even LOST because so many were told what they WANTED to believe! AND they CHOOSE to believe.
There is a GREAT deal of information that Doctors and Scientist DON'T KNOW!
They still don't understand how a hormone actually works!
In fact their still finding/identifying new ones.
So how can they make some of the claims they're making?
A point..............
Wash your hands.
Smell your fingertips.
Now pick up a penny, smell it, smells like copper right?
Now rub your fingertips over it.
Put down the penny and smell your fingertips, smells just like the penny?
Why?
Acid in the skins oil.
You have copper molecules on( or would IN be more correct?) you fingers now.
So.....................
Is it possible that everything you touch leaves part of itself on you and part of you remains on the things you touch? I say YES, and have thought so for MANY years!
Science seems to think so too! Do a lookup. I'm pretty sure you will find articles talking about, how in the future they will be following people around using their DNA trail. They just need to prefect the machines to do it.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOO............... ...........
Are we talking about a molecular exchange here????????????
If so................
Just how much of the other consenting person becomes a part of you?
Just how much of you becomes a part of the other consenting person?
Something I always try very hard to keep in my mind............
"He who is unaware of his ignorance will be only misled by his knowledge." —Richard Whately
........... been there, done that, think I even have the t-shirt!!!!
Bottom line is PEOPLE!
We are people, this includes the individuals that are telling everyone if it feels good do it.
PLEASE... be very careful about what these PEOPLE are telling you, as it may NOT be correct! The problem is, the fact that what you are being told could be WRONG, may not come to light for several years!
Hey I'm NOT saying run around being afraid of everything!
I AM SAYING.......... some of those old wives tales, stories, fairy tales, etc.... ARE BASED on TRUETH! Sadly science has not yet found those TRUETHS!
"Institutional psychiatry is a continuation of the Inquisition. All that has changed really is the vocabulary and the social style. The vocabulary conforms to the intellectual expectations of our age: it is a pseudo-medical jargon that
parodies the concepts of science. The social style conforms to the political expectations of our age: it is a pseudo-liberal social movement that parodies the ideals of freedom and rationality."
Thomas Szasz (b. 1920)
American psychiatrist
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.......hmmmm?
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lol
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dano... I guess what you are saying is that if the catholic school doesn't teach about rubbers then my grand daughter will get pregnant..
I suppose that there is nothing I can do but send her to a public school where everyone uses rubbers (or at least knows how) and no one ever gets pregnant.
lazs
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Aw c'mon MT...you and I both know what's going on here.
Abstinence came under attack during the sexual revolution of the 1960s. Our kids and grandkids are fed a steady diet of "sexual freedom" and "the joys of promiscuity" on a daily basis. You can't turn on a tv during prime time without being bombarded by scenes of mindless bed-hopping, look-at-me-I'm-gay or bang-with-me-I'm-hot, oversexed twits. You can't open a magazine or newspaper or, apparently, a biology textbook without encountering the new-age sexual mores being espoused by Hollywood or other bastions of left-wing ideology.
Fighting off peer pressure, and trying to remain abstinent, during the teenage years is difficult enough without that type of fuel being thrown on the fire. Leftist idealogues have been attempting to torpedo the abstinence movement ever since it was first organized.
If our youth are more sexually promiscuous today than they were 50 years ago it's because they have been programmed to be.
Yet, all that is completely beside the point. Sex education should be voluntary, and attendance at some "sexual-activity-is-good-so-be-prepared" thinktank should not be required.
Well, I seem to get what's going on here. You seem to want to blame it all on the 60's, or maybe you think sexual promiscuity is being measured against that of 50 years ago. Studies have been done on abstinence only programs and they just don't work.
Abstinence students still having sex (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18093769/)
Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence-Only Programs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/13/AR2007041301003.html)
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Let the kids mess around all they want, but they better not ask me to pay their medical bills because of THEIR stupidity, as in taxes. Kids need to be taught they are responsible for their actions, which schools are not teaching. Freedom does not equal Free Ride.
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OK....... we disagree?
Yes, we disagree. Save your breath.
Lazs, no worries. Good luck with that grand daughter.
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I fail to see the issue with schools telling teenages to have responsible safe sex. If the parents aren't doing it they are being negligent about the health of their children.
I'm class of 97 here in NYC. The kids in High School were so loaded on hormones it's a miracle they learned anything. I'm thankful for the "safe-sex" atmosphere promoted by the staff, because the kids were having sex anyway.
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Well MT....riddle me this. Are kids of today more promiscuous than those of 50 years ago? There is almost overwhelming evidence that this is the case. Indeed, the point is hardly debated anymore by either side in this issue, even by those who steadfastly believed that there is no difference between promiscuity rates of that generation and our own.
There is also a considerable body of evidence which points out that the "Sex Education" solution to teenage pregnancy is no solution at all. Sweden, which has often been held up as the model of an "enlightened" society in terms of modern sexual education has seen skyrocketing rates of STD infection despite such education and the ready availability of condoms.
The U.K. also, with government backed and funded sex education classes almost identical to those in the U.S., has experienced burgeoning pregnancy and STD infection rates. The U.K. has a teen pregnancy rate four times that of any Western European country.
If promiscuity rates are up, as indicated by these rising rates of teen pregnancy and infection, there has to be a reason. The "Sexual Revolution" which belittled the "square" ethical and cultural mores of previous generations is as good a culprit as any.
I stand by the statements about its impact on our nation's youth that I presented in my previous post. We are paying a heavy price for that movement's mindless promotion of mindless sex.
Regards, Shuckins
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Well MT....riddle me this. Are kids of today more promiscuous than those of 50 years ago?
Regards, Shuckins
I'll ignore the fact that you are twisting the discussion away from the efficacy of abstinence only education and I'll answer your question...
Yes
there is one VERY big reason why.
(http://www.americanheritage.com/assets/images/articles/web/20060511-pill.jpg)
Yep, when people realized they could have sex without getting pregnant, they began having more sex.
Now slap yourself in the head and give me a "Doh!".
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Oh...gee...you're right. The pill, all by itself, brought about this great tidal wave of change in the nation's cultural and ethical conduct.
Of course, it really is as simple as that....it was THE PILL!!
And here I thought the causes were many, varied, and ultimately arising from the nihilistic, self-centered, Dr. Ruth adoring, unfettered freedom espousing, Haight Ashbury traipsing, LSD experimenting, rebel rousing, free-love and no commitment preaching, religious ethics deriding, sexual revolution is really hip but we ain't gonna take responsibility for the consequences, we got Hollywood promoting our agenda, generation of the 60s.
Silly me.
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A good education will easily cover the risks of sex and a lot more other things, regardless of how (gasp) decadent society has become.
Blaming others for your own actions is bogus.
I will say that the higher the dam of "Don't"s, the harder it'll be for kids to not get caught in the currents, as well as for parents to keep up with developments.
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Originally posted by Dadano
What are we up in arms about?
Safe sex?
What is wrong with teaching kids about how to stay healthy?
I have no problem with anything the dude said, hes talking about the realities of "grown folks business".. drugs are everywhere and sex happens, kids can make their own decisions based on the information.
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Originally posted by Eagler
the catholic schools around here all have waiting lists to enroll .. I'm sure it is the same in most places
Dadano
safe sex and safe drug abuse eh?
it is not what adults tell children to do in my world .. maybe yours
I'll bet every adult here has safely used "drugs", like alcohol, aspirin, cigarettes, weed and of course those happy pills the dentist hands out to keep the mouth from throbbing in pain....a nice mellow opiate. Meanwhile at home mom takes Prozac, bro is on riddlin, dad just scored some Viagra and the talking Dr at school thinks little Johnny should be on Paxil to cope with the pressures of being a teen.
Kids see adults safely use drugs every day, then "they" turn around and chant the mantra that drugs are "bad".. kids see right through that hypocrisy the go out and experiment, and why not? everyone around them is using "drugs" why cant they?
What exactly is bad about giving them real world information and allowing them to make up their own minds?
Edit: a bit about .gov hypocracy; who knows what "dexedrine" is? its an amphetamine that US fighter pilots take to combat "fatigue"... a nice speed pill.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2003/01/16/730/18294
"Col. Pete Demitry of the Air Force Surgeon General's office told reporters that Dexedrine, which the Air Force provides for pilots making long flights, was a life saver, not a dangerous drug"
Who here knows more about drugs than the Air Force Surgeon General's office?
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The question is how much of life should a school teach... none really. If it isn't happening at home... say the kid comes to school naked and smeared with feces... throw him out of class.
If a kid gets pregnant... let them stay in school till the end. No big deal.. no need to waste everyones time and money on social experiments.
So far the results have been bad in any case.. The pill didn't cause abortions or school shootings or classrooms where no one learns. abortions and the pill and sex ed did not cut down on the amount of illigitimate births or make kids behave better.
What social experiment in school has worked?
Oh wait... the polio vaccine.. that was one that worked I guess.
I don't know if any of this non academic social meddling in schools have caused all the ills of the world today but... it is pretty darn obvious that they haven't solved any... it is also obvious that they take time away from learning.
I will send my grand daughter to a school where learning is the most important thing and poor behavior will not be tolerated.
And why should it? Do we really need people with masters degrees to cook our food or change our oil? Do we need welders with PHD's? Hell.. do we even need engineers with social science degrees?
If someone doesn't want to or, is incapable of learning... let em drop out. We need more trade schools tho.
lazs
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If someone doesn't want to or, is incapable of learning... let em drop out. We need more trade schools tho.
lazs
Well said. :aok