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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Red Tail 444 on May 22, 2007, 11:40:57 AM
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Can anything be done about the alleged phenomenon known as "cable pulling?" I've heard about it, never quite seen it first hand, although I have seen some unusual jumping aspects recently, when planes move from off my nose to instantly close to my 6, w/o performing any ACM. I have DSL and don't want to indict anyone needlessly. Maybe it's on my end?
Any insight would be appreciated
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If you would like to see it first hand, ask ingame name Vadjan to demo it for you. He's a regular.
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Any suspicious activity should be filmed and sent to support@hitechcreations.com
Bringing it to the forums only invites inappropriate comments such as the post above.
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Please refer to this ongoing discussion found here (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206247) .
Most incident of "cable pulling" are actually just bad connections or client machines that have their resources stretched. Cable pulling or ping throttling probably does happen, but most of what you see is connection/client machine related.
Poor connections. Connections that are overtaxed with automatic downloads, external attacks on them, IM programs, BitTorrent, and so forth sharing the network pipe with the game. Also can be caused by weak systems, or client side systems that have their resources taken up by threads running in the background, spyware, little available memory, weak graphics cards that are overwhelmed, heavy disk caching, and so forth.
The most common I've seen in the plane that warps when fired upon. Tracking the bullet or tracer fire seems to suddenly put a load of the other guy's client machine, and zooooom. Warp drive Mr. Sulu.
All part of online gaming, and we're stuck with it until the world moves to Internet-II, everyone is on broadband, and people keep their client machines fairly well maintained.
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Way too many variables to accuse anyone of cable pulling or other tales. Your connection could be excellent and so might the other persons, yet both warp..... the reason being the hops in between your system and the end server and same on his end. Any server in between with an overload or other problem can be the culprit.
Just have fun.. and if you get shot down by a whizzing plane.... I'll see to it that you get a brand new one to replace it. :aok
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Thanks guys,
yeah, I don;t want to accuse anyone of anything, and yes, when I open fire, planes sometimes vanish. I'm not wrapped up in cartoon deaths to make a stink of it or to even report them. I forget to film fights in most cases anyway.
Much appreciated
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FireHwk got caught. Some others did it as well around the same, but most woke up and stopped doing it.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Most incident of "cable pulling" are actually just bad connections or client machines that have their resources stretched.
Funny that such a higher percentage of buff pilots seem to have these "bad connections"... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by frosty
Funny that such a higher percentage of buff pilots seem to have these "bad connections"... :rolleyes:
Alot of pilots fly buffs when they have bad connetions. It's how they cope with it, generally keeps them from being accused of "cable pulling"
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there's a bug in the buffs when your in a CV area and right after you drop and go to f3 view and look around it will cause you to CTD . im not shure what the combo is but its happened to me at least 5 times ... I havent really tested it since the last update though .
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Originally posted by Max
Any suspicious activity should be filmed and sent to support@hitechcreations.com
Bringing it to the forums only invites inappropriate comments such as the post above.
It also brings up back seat moderators, such as the post above.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
It also brings up back seat moderators, such as the post above.
:rofl
they got a lag switch... its this new uber thingy thing I bought from dano..he has all types of 733t computer thingy things.. :D
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Originally posted by tedrbr
The most common I've seen in the plane that warps when fired upon. Tracking the bullet or tracer fire seems to suddenly put a load of the other guy's client machine, and zooooom. Warp drive Mr. Sulu.
:rofl
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Originally posted by frosty
Funny that such a higher percentage of buff pilots seem to have these "bad connections"... :rolleyes:
Other than the known and most hated "drone warp" I rarely ever have trouble with warping buffs?
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Vanscrew can demostrate cable pulling :p
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I was under the impression that someone warping when you saddle up and fire was more likely to be an indication that YOUR machine couldn't handle the pain of increased information at that point?
the final stage of implementing high detail and tracer rounds (if you have em enabled) plus computing where those rounds hit and the damage they cause.
oh plus the bang bang sounds :D
tho i imagine i warp like an epileptic chihuahua on crack while im loosing udp:lol (happens once per evening ,,usually after several hours of play but does not usually result in a disco)
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Ive never seen stuff other than warps. Most likely from a bad connection. Maybe I dont know enough about the internet and how its connected, but I would think any disconnect however temporary would boot you out.
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my 'rhoids are getting INflamed
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(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/warp.GIF)
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/cool_move.JPG)
sometimes, it all just seems that these things happen at just the right time for the enemy and the wrong time for you....and when they warp from ur nose to your tail and begin shooting the second they stop warping....well.....im not convinced.
not that it matters so long as aircraft are free and in never ending supply.
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Alot of guys with weak computers or dial up fly bombers because it is not as demanding on computer and connect.
:cool:
Hoovers
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i agree bat
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I have fought Bats con
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I have seen alot of people warp only when you get on thier six, and say they're using satellite. Seems alot of satellite player only warp when you try to shoot them, but have the best connection when they get on you.
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Great animation, Bat. I've seen similar stuff online.
I saved the .gif to my hard drive in case it mysteriously disappears. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by FiLtH
... but I would think any disconnect however temporary would boot you out.
No, it has to be a disconnection of some seconds... I'm connecting through a wireless lan, now, and I had to get used to the horrible "Lost UDP, switching to TCP" host message.... if the loss of connection is brief, the game can handle it and I don't get discoed (after some second I see messages start arriving again in radio buffer), if it's longer, I'll keep flying for some time, then I see everyone around disappears and then I got discoed! I hate it.... :P
Bat, I agree, too.
Couldn't you just post the .ahf, you room consuming, dweeb!??
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nah, didnt want to 'name names' which is unavoidable with the .ahf
the person in question claims to just have a bad connection, but its amzing how and when that connection gets 'bad'. i have witnessed this guy doing this exact same move with the 'from-my-nose-to-my-tail-warp-instant-shooting-right-after' on at least 4 occasions.
In fact, i have never fought the guy and not seen him warp just as im on his six, but he never ever warps on my tail.
sure people have explained why this could happen, but i just dont buy it.
:rolleyes:
but hey, as i said, who cares. these tards will lose interest in the game after a few months....wannabe types always do.
lets have fun and ignore it, most people are decent enough.
:)
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Well said, Bat! :aok
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Sometimes when I forget the minimal power management on in XP and start the game AH gets really jerky at some point and the planes around me sometimes warp really bad. It crossed my mind that maybe my movement looks jerky to them too? I can switch the power mode on the run but it takes 10-20 seconds before the connection stabilizes.
-C+
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I had this problem big time on my stock Dell Dimension 3000. One of the trainer guys typed for me to disconnect and relog in as he said I was all over the place warping. Well, I didn't know who he was and basically said (in buffer text) to blow it out his ear. I've come across some people in here that for their $15 per month like to try to play BS with me, and tell me how I should play the game (to benefit themselves). I typed back to please explain, but I got no response.
Dropping my firewall seemed to help some as to less plane warping. Dropping my antivirus did not. The larger ping numbers would result in more of a problem. For me it always would be worse as numbers of planes increased and the addition of mutiple tracer rounds, especially in zoom. Turning off tracers also hepled, a little.
Since, I got me a $140 graphics card upgrade and things don't warp as bad.
Prior to coming here I upped my ram from 250 meg to a gig of matched pair 512 sticks. Would be better to get 2 gig of matched 1 gig sticks, but I'll just get a better PC one of these days. I'm on DSL.
Other note, I hang out to the geek forums for XP. Somebody suggested Windows needs to be re-logged every 4 hours or so as it bogs down. I don't know if this is the issue or not.
If fathers are going to help their kids cheating doing soapbox derby, there will be cheaters everywhere.
Daubie
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Great animation Bat. Ive never seen that thankfully.
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Daubie, a couple of things: yes, there are people who like to tell everyone how the game should be played, but, if the guy you're talking about was a trainer, then you'd have listened to him, they know what they are saying and they can be trusted.
On the other hand, and I'm telling you this not being an expert, warping is mainly a connection issue, upgrading your pc may help in this, it can handle better the stream data, but, essentially, to avoid warping, you should improve your connection to HTC servers.
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And then, there are the guys named WarpAlot or something similart to that. They have it down to perfection. When I asked said guy to please cut it out, he told me to stop whining cause it is just a game.
Just to avoid confusion, he admited doing it and anounced it on 200 right before he did it. Not sure about the name. Might have been IWarp, WarpAlot, CblPullr etc.
Problem is, I dont think there is a coad fix for this other than film, send, let HT deal with them.
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What is shown in the graphic is exactly why another sim I was involved in in the past removed the ability to toggle out of the game.
FWIW, the "warp from your gunsite to your six" that's shown is not accomplished by "pulling the cable".
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I dont see how it works. Years ago when I would be playing in college, I had a busted cat5 connection that would pull out of my router at times. So unless I wedged something in there to keep it from coming out, it would just fall loose on its own. Sometimes it would fall out and it being right by my PC i would quickly push it back in while playing. It was out for maybe 5-8 seconds, if that... but i would still loose my connection to host.
All the times it came out, I was never once accused of "Cable pulling". Every other thing in the book yes, but not cable pulling. I dont see how its posible.
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not really the point morpheus. not many people complain when an enemy simply vanishes to a 'host lost' disco. sure its annoying if you chase someone for a while then they go poof at 5k no proxy, whatever.
the main problem is those that warp around like mad and then resume normal connection after you have missed your shot.
intentional or not, who can tell for sure? its still a bum deal for the player who gets shot down by the warper that was in thier gunsite a second ago.
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Wow Filth. Where have you been? I see this almost weekly.
This is bad but one night a squaddie and I chased 400+ mph warping B-24s up the hill on the tank town map. I was in a F4U-4, squaddie in a P-47N both at over 400 mph and couldn't close on the guy over a sector. He had just upped from his base too and was, as i said, going UP the mountain while we were both coming out of dives. We both filmed and submitted our accounts of the incedent.
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Had the same thing happen to me one evening and right away I thought "cable puller." Of course being the curious type I had to try it out myself.
My grandson plays against me on a LAN connection when he visits on the weekends, he's only seven so I haven't allowed him into the MA's yet, but watch out when he does come online. He's getting better every time he plays.
Anyways I set up a LAN room. I know, not exactly the same as a connection to the online areans. Anyway I launched from his comp, then launched from mine. I came up on his six and began wiggling the connection in the back of his computer. Nothing happened. He continued to fly straight and level. I tried wiggling the connection in the router, still nothing.
I slid the connector in and out quickly. Still flying straigh an level.
I pulled his cable out all the way and plugged it back in.
"Host Connection Lost" came up on his screen.
I realize this is not conclusive proof as it was only a LAN connection. But after this as far as I'm concerned, warping is an internet connection issue, or the result of an overburdened machine.
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All I can say is AH has been invaded by FPS tardlets. Anyone who has played any FPS knows of what I speak.
Bronk
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oh come on people, 'cable pulling' is just an expresion. you get called an alt monkey, its not that you're actualy a real monkey that will only fly into a fight from above.....er.....hang about...yeah ok. bad example.
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Sorry Bat, I'm a literal kind of guy, you call someone a cable puller, I envision someone yanking their cable connection. If what you meant are the culprits are running a client side program that is delaying the packet delivery to enable warping I'll gracefully bow out of this discussion now before I embarass myself any further.
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Originally posted by JlyRgr
I slid the connector in and out quickly. Still flying straigh an level.
The smoothing code would most likely negate your testing when dealing with an AC thats flying straight and level at a constant speed. Just FYI this is a very touchy subject for HTC and you are playing with fire by posting stuff like this.
In response to Dedalos post, I used to have a squaddy named "Warpy" he always seemed like a good guy, and I have fought him since leaving that squad and all seemed well. Just throwing my .02 in on this so the wrong person doesn't get burned at the stake.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
not really the point morpheus.
I wasn't making a point limey. I was simply stating that my connection has "come loose" and I've either lost connect completely or not at all. And when it wasn't at all there was no signs of warping on the other end, and i know that because I've asked when it happened. So in effect my cable was being pulled out, and it did nothing.
This "Cable pulling" crap is just that... crap. Ie. Just another whine.
You wanted a point, there you go.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
I wasn't making a point limey. I was simply stating that my connection has "come loose" and I've either lost connect completely or not at all. And when it wasn't at all there was no signs of warping on the other end, and i know that because I've asked when it happened. So in effect my cable was being pulled out, and it did nothing.
This "Cable pulling" crap is just that... crap. Ie. Just another whine.
You wanted a point, there you go.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
There is DEFINATELY somthing going on, too many planes only warp when yer on they 6. Theres enough people seeing it for me to believe. I know what Ive seen myself.
theres only 1 answer................ Film it- Send it in!
support@hitechcreations.com
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The thing that makes people think about "cable pullers" when they see warping is the convenience of the warps.. "He only warped when I was on his 6!!" But ask yourself one question..
How often are you focused on 1 plane to see if he's warping or not, unless your are on their 6?
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
If you would like to see it first hand, ask ingame name Vadjan to demo it for you. He's a regular.
I hope that you have proofs of it and not only you speak to speak, because if it is not the case I recommend close the mouth your lil woosshh pony driver.
By the way amazing films B@tfinkV, never has happened a case as extreme as those, but that “opportune” warps when you have them in the sight r at the day.
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Originally posted by PK1Mw
How often are you focused on 1 plane to see if he's warping or not, unless your are on their 6?
... Whenever he's on mine, or trying to get there.
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There is no such thing as cable pulling.
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Originally posted by Morpheus There is no such thing as cable pulling.
Ask FireHwk if he "hit the standby button". Pieper sent me a film of him talking on vox, and on film showed FireHwk less than a 100 yards from the spawn point. You pan around and there isn't an icon, or a GV in sight. He was caught and "punted". Ask HTC themselves "if hitting the standby button on the modem does anything?", you'll soon realize that while it doesn't happen often, it is a potential issue.
Morpheus, unfortunately some DO do this because they "have to do whatever it takes" to get an advantage. Folks like FireHwk are tools, and really show off that fact, especially when caught.
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what a sad life one must lead to feel this need!
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Originally posted by Vadjan-Sama
I hope that you have proofs of it and not only you speak to speak, because if it is not the case I recommend close the mouth your lil woosshh pony driver.
What do I need to prove? Even w/ your antics you are no threat to me, just a little harder to hit than others. One merely has to wait for your plane to reappear then you are just a little harder to shoot down than a c47 drone.
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Well, since the thread has not been locked yet, I assume its ok to talk about the subject.
HT, can I get your permission to explain how it is done? Im dired of ignorant experts arguing about things they don't know nor understant.
If not I'll keep my mouth shut and wont post in this or simillar threads again
Thank you
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Originally posted by Morpheus
There is no such thing as cable pulling.
why are you acting like a dumbarse?
you do understand that cable pulling is an expresion? i know ur not that stupid.
almost as if you trying to deffend something, almost like you know more than youre letting on....
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, since the thread has not been locked yet, I assume its ok to talk about the subject.
HT, can I get your permission to explain how it is done? Im dired of ignorant experts arguing about things they don't know nor understant.
If not I'll keep my mouth shut and wont post in this or simillar threads again
Thank you
Please don't !!!
There are enough problems with "timidness" ... no need to add that kind of crap to the pile with the tremendous influx of squeekers, cause they would be the first to take advantage of it ... else the "fight" will truely become extinct.
This post should have been squashed long ago ... for me, this topic borders on the forbidden subject of "cheat".
If I start flying around and see a discernable increase in the amount of freaky warping going on, after 5+ years here, I would consider quitting and I am sure that I would not be the only one.
If I can't feel that I am playing/flying on a level ground with everyone else ... then I am outta here.
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Originally posted by JlyRgr
I slid the connector in and out quickly. Still flying straigh an level.
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The smoothing code would most likely negate your testing when dealing with an AC thats flying straight and level at a constant speed. Just FYI this is a very touchy subject for HTC and you are playing with fire by posting stuff like this.
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This maybe a touchy subject but why would HTC get mad about disussing it if they dont know whats going on they cant fix it.
I dont belive half the crap thats going on is lag related,I belive theres people cheating and they need to be caught.
I have been playing FPS (first person shooters for years online and role playing games) and i know lag when i see it for those thats never played FPS before let me explain what lag is,WHEN YOU FIRE YOUR GUN AT A WINDOW AND IT TAKES A FEW SECONDS FOR THE WINDOW TO BREAK THEN THATS LAG.
Now I could be wrong here but let me give a couple of examples of what i dont belive is lag.
190 pilot does 6 turns using a sliceback manuver and gains alt and maintains 300MPH in a dog fight with a spit then something is not right(but then again i am a crappy pilot).
When a p51 pilot merges with you and you pull a high yo-yo chop throttle and kick in alittle rudder you look up and hes already turned and is within a few hundred feet from and firing THATS NOT LAG
I would guess that about 98% of AH players playing fairly sad thing is that 1 or 2% players not playing fairley make us question everything
OLD42
~THE UNFORGIVIN~
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Originally posted by oldtard
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Originally posted by JlyRgr
I slid the connector in and out quickly. Still flying straigh an level.
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The smoothing code would most likely negate your testing when dealing with an AC thats flying straight and level at a constant speed. Just FYI this is a very touchy subject for HTC and you are playing with fire by posting stuff like this.
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This maybe a touchy subject but why would HTC get mad about disussing it if they dont know whats going on they cant fix it.
I dont belive half the crap thats going on is lag related,I belive theres people cheating and they need to be caught.
I have been playing FPS (first person shooters for years online and role playing games) and i know lag when i see it for those thats never played FPS before let me explain what lag is,WHEN YOU FIRE YOUR GUN AT A WINDOW AND IT TAKES A FEW SECONDS FOR THE WINDOW TO BREAK THEN THATS LAG.
Now I could be wrong here but let me give a couple of examples of what i dont belive is lag.
190 pilot does 6 turns using a sliceback manuver and gains alt and maintains 300MPH in a dog fight with a spit then something is not right(but then again i am a crappy pilot).
When a p51 pilot merges with you and you pull a high yo-yo chop throttle and kick in alittle rudder you look up and hes already turned and is within a few hundred feet from and firing THATS NOT LAG
I would guess that about 98% of AH players playing fairly sad thing is that 1 or 2% players not playing fairley make us question everything
OLD42
~THE UNFORGIVIN~
Learn how to use the quote function, it's hard to read who wrote what when its jumbled up like that.
Secondly, if I recall correctly you're relatively new here. You're years of FPS and perception of lag there does not necessarily reflect the same here. HTC takes the C word, and cable pulling/standby etc. very seriously.
They are well aware of it, and I agree that this thread should have died a long time ago.
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oldtard - "I would guess that about 98% of AH players playing fairly sad thing is that 1 or 2% players not playing fairley make us question everything"
for me, that is the best thing anyone here has posted. like estes i kinda could get the rest of it so i read the bottom first. :)
S!
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in every thing there will be "cheaters" people who can only get by with extra help, ive seen it in the MA but not enough to be overly concerned.
in around 4 years only once did i get on someones 6 and have them disapear to reappear on my 6, it was crazy, but he still couldnt kill me:D
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
What do I need to prove? Even w/ your antics you are no threat to me, just a little harder to hit than others. One merely has to wait for your plane to reappear then you are just a little harder to shoot down than a c47 drone.
If u call me a cable puller u r calling me a cheater so do it with something that prove that, thats what im talking, im not going to talk to skill or tactics with a lil guy like u.
Be smart sometimes... well is not u but try it.
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:huh
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standby is the reason i refuse to play halo or halo 2 anymore and its probably a really good reason to not even bother with the third.
I'm sure i've seen it, but at least with this game most people who try it are too crappy to take advantage of it.
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where there's a will there's a way.......
Rules are meant to be broken....
unfortunately both of these statements seem to go hand in hand today!
I've left several fun games because other player couldn't or wouldn't play fair.
Fortunately in this game the only thing that happens is I get a new plane,no waiting for the next spawn time.:aok
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Please don't !!!
:rofl Comon now. What are the chanses HT would give the ok? lol. I m just hoping for a lock :furious
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Originally posted by dedalos
:rofl Comon now. What are the chanses HT would give the ok? lol. I m just hoping for a lock :furious
I know ... it was a good segway for me tho.
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imo it shold be acceptable to discuss this topic respectfully. refraining from anyone making it personal is a good way to vent an opinon or to constructively oppose two opinions. i also know its not our forum and we all must accept whatever standpoint is taken.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
imo it shold be acceptable to discuss this topic respectfully. refraining from anyone making it personal is a good way to vent an opinon or to constructively oppose two opinions. i also know its not our forum and we all must accept whatever standpoint is taken.
I love to pull the cable - its a matter of perfect timing... but sometimes I just cant get i right... then I have to bring my Corsair around that carrier and try for second landing :lol
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
why are you acting like a dumbarse?
you do understand that cable pulling is an expresion? i know ur not that stupid.
almost as if you trying to deffend something, almost like you know more than youre letting on....
LOL yes, I live in a world of cable pullers, all of the BK's are cable pullers. We pull cables even when there are no cables to be pulled. I pull mine in my sleep, at breakfast, lunch and dinner... Sometimes in between.
Now that all of that is out in the open... Maybe, just maybe you can sleep a little better at night.
Aparently you missed the point I made... Since you asked for a point.
My point, within the point I last made... The one you were pointing out...
Play the friggin game and stop worrying about wth everyone else is doing. If u see some ufo crap going on and it looks odd, call up big daddy aka skuzzy and report them. Stop wasting your time talking about a freaking subject that has been talked about for 10 years already.
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Originally posted by Vadjan-Sama
If u call me a cable puller u r calling me a cheater so do it with something that prove that,
No. I don't have to, nor do I feel like expending the energy to dig up a film.
I know you're guilty and will get caught... it's good enough for me.
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I started a thread once asking....."when can you tell someone is cheating?" or something like that....it got locked
I merely wanted to ask when the visuals on the screen should raise my interest as to the diference between what is a system warp and if it's possible, an intentional warp. when do I hit Alt R and report it? What is the signature that I can notice that someone is (if it's possible) is "yanking the cable"?
I don't want to waste HTC's time with frivolous accusations about cheating: nobody will admit that it can be done. but yet, I want to nab these slimy weasels that have found out how to do it.
I don't want to do it myself, in no way shape or form. I don't want to know how to do it. I don't want to know the methods.
But...
I would like to know what occurs on screen that will make me suspect that it is happenning(if that is possible). what should alert me to hit alt R and report it?
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Originally posted by Morpheus
im so stupid i cant even understand simple prefixes.
by your own admision you are the only one wasting your time.
most of us enjoy this discusion
;)
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Anyone who can type can do a search for 'lag switch' and different other fps type of 'advantages'.
I'm quite confident they don't work here, but to blindly assume people haven't found other ways to abuse the way the AH client works and figure out a way to adjust things in their favor is just...well...odd.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
No. I don't have to, nor do I feel like expending the energy to dig up a film.
I know you're guilty and will get caught... it's good enough for me.
Well until then I am going to recommend you to STU, I've played this game for years and of all the players who I have faced here you are first one calling me like that if you are going to say something do it with witnesses, films… don't know something real to prove it, not only your “knowledge”.
With this I said everything what I had to say, subject closed for my.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Please refer to this ongoing discussion found here (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206247) .
Most incident of "cable pulling" are actually just bad connections or client machines that have their resources stretched. Cable pulling or ping throttling probably does happen, but most of what you see is connection/client machine related.
Poor connections. Connections that are overtaxed with automatic downloads, external attacks on them, IM programs, BitTorrent, and so forth sharing the network pipe with the game. Also can be caused by weak systems, or client side systems that have their resources taken up by threads running in the background, spyware, little available memory, weak graphics cards that are overwhelmed, heavy disk caching, and so forth.
The most common I've seen in the plane that warps when fired upon. Tracking the bullet or tracer fire seems to suddenly put a load of the other guy's client machine, and zooooom. Warp drive Mr. Sulu.
All part of online gaming, and we're stuck with it until the world moves to Internet-II, everyone is on broadband, and people keep their client machines fairly well maintained.
you say connection problems and in a perfect world i'd love to agree.
But i always scratch my head when they dont warp when on someone else's six but whenever they get in truoble it starts.....
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Originally posted by Vadjan-Sama
If u call me a cable puller u r calling me a cheater so do it with something that prove that, thats what im talking, im not going to talk to skill or tactics with a lil guy like you
Be smart sometimes... well is not u but try it.
You gonna let him talk about you like that Stevo?? :lol
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
by your own admision you are the only one wasting your time.
most of us enjoy this discusion
;)
Ohh, very clever, did your clown costume wearing pre-teen girlfriend think of that one for you?
Over here on this rock, we dont date things like that, we lock em up and throw away the key.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Ohh, very clever, did your clown costume wearing pre-teen girlfriend think of that one for you?
Over here on this rock, we dont date things like that, we lock em up and throw away the key.
Wow, Morph...
What's up with the personal attacks? Woudn't it be better to squash that and discuss issues like mature adults? Sorry man, just read that and was like "oh, wow..." Anything that in r/l would earn a punch in the nose from someone is over the edge.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
by your own admision you are the only one wasting your time.
most of us enjoy this discusion
;)
Originally posted by Morpheus
Ohh, very clever, did your clown costume wearing pre-teen girlfriend think of that one for you?
Over here on this rock, we dont date things like that, we lock em up and throw away the key.
Originally posted by Warspawn
Wow, Morph...
What's up with the personal attacks? Woudn't it be better to squash that and discuss issues like mature adults? Sorry man, just read that and was like "oh, wow..." Anything that in r/l would earn a punch in the nose from someone is over the edge.
sadly, this child will never get his 'punch on the nose'. he is a coward and bully wtih a major little-man-tough-on-the-net syndrome. poor guy is about 5'5", covered in steroid farmed blubber, and ugly as a chimpanzee.
all he wants is a reaction, and for the thread to be locked.
:lol
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Ohh, very clever, did your clown costume wearing pre-teen girlfriend think of that one for you?
Over here on this rock, we dont date things like that, we lock em up and throw away the key.
You've changed.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You've changed.
no, his childishness has just been made more obvious. he's always been a cretin...
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Ohh, very clever, did your clown costume wearing pre-teen girlfriend think of that one for you?
Over here on this rock, we dont date things like that, we lock em up and throw away the key.
That was totaly uncalled for. why get so worked up over an internet game! If I were you id go for a cold shower and calm the heck down. There is totally no need for personal insults.
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Originally posted by macleod01
That was totaly uncalled for. why get so worked up over an internet game! If I were you id go for a cold shower and calm the heck down. There is totally no need for personal insults.
a cold shower? god you scots are odd... :p
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
a cold shower? god you scots are odd... :p
Nah, just means standing outside for a couple of minutes! lol :p
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
sadly, this child will never get his 'punch on the nose'. he is a coward and bully wtih a major little-man-tough-on-the-net syndrome. poor guy is about 5'5", covered in steroid farmed blubber, and ugly as a chimpanzee.
all he wants is a reaction, and for the thread to be locked.
:lol
Nah, I just tell it like it is battard. No need to sugar coat the truth. Why dont you bust out some pictures of yourself bat'y LOL. Or wait, shall I? Be carful with that name calling son. You do need to remember that after all these years, I have compiled quite the little collection of crap against you. What these newbs dont know is what a tard you really are.
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Let The E-Peen fight commence!!!
Grabs a can, unfolds hit chair, and sits anxiously.
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ahhh this thread makes me think of the famous line from the movie "Stripes"....
Lighten Up Francis!!!!
:aok
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Be carful with that name calling son. You do need to remember that after all these years, I have compiled quite the little collection of crap against you.
wow.....somebody forgot that it all goes away when you hit the red X, obviously. do you have a whole batfink portfolio? id like to see it, i can sign it for you.
What these newbs dont know is what a tard you really are.
most all 'these newbs' know exactly what a tard i am, what they dont quite understand is your constant flirting with me.
I got to tell you, I'm not playing hard to get , i'm just not interested in you.
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Originally posted by Morpheus
LOL. Or wait, shall I? Be carful with that name calling son. You do need to remember that after all these years, I have compiled quite the little collection of crap against you. What these newbs dont know is what a tard you really are.
Its taken you years to gather th\t mucha aginst Bat? Well, I think we just got the same ammount on you from this thread alone!
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I guess I'm a newb, LMFAO :rofl