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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Killjoy2 on May 23, 2007, 11:12:31 AM
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Rank is meaningless but wouldn't it be nice if HT would post the number of kills since your last death when you land.
Would you try harder to defeat someone with a 25 kill streak? Would squads and attack teams organize to defend someone with a record? I think it would make the game more fun for me and be more of an encouragement to work with a squad.
This is as close to an AH hero as we get.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
Rank is meaningless but wouldn't it be nice if HT would post the number of kills since your last death when you land.
Would you try harder to defeat someone with a 25 kill streak? Would squads and attack teams organize to defend someone with a record? I think it would make the game more fun for me and be more of an encouragement to work with a squad.
This is as close to an AH hero as we get.
This would just promote timid and crowdedness flying which we all ready have plenty of in the MA.
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i agree with fatty(points up)
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I like the idea, but like Husky said, it would just lead to more people playing timid.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
Rank is meaningless but wouldn't it be nice if HT would post the number of kills since your last death when you land.
Would you try harder to defeat someone with a 25 kill streak? Would squads and attack teams organize to defend someone with a record? I think it would make the game more fun for me and be more of an encouragement to work with a squad.
This is as close to an AH hero as we get.
I think the countrychannel is already overloaded with all that "XXX has landed 2 kills" messages.
And if a squad needs that kind of encouragement to develop a better teamwork... :rolleyes:
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I think it wouldnt really matter. Im looking to get into a furbal not chasing some dweeb who now running because i took the last 10 mins to get co e with em, and now i finnaly got on their six, with 5 mins of fuel remainiing, and the run for home, or ack, or friendlies.
Please, just fight, it wont hurt anythign but your pride.
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They need to do away with scores and put more into the strat stuff. If a target is valuable enough to the players on a team, they will defend it. Everything else will fall into place.
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I think this kind of set up would only encourage spawncamping and who cares about gvs anyway. Can you imagine XXXX has landed 20 kills in a Tiger: 167 kill streak. LOL
:) Ltars (not implying you spawn camp only that you love gvs)
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Spazz
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No, I disagree. I already know I suck at this game. I can tell by the gravity well surrounding my aircraft when I up. I dont need HTC documenting it and broadcasting it to every soul online. :cool:
I dont think it would promote anything other than player to player verbal vomiting. Isnt there enough of that already? I am a newb so maybe I'm mistaken.
Later,
KayBay
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Don't think this idea would enhance game play. More would fly timid and the EVERYDAY deliberate vulch OCCURENCES wouldn't promote ACM just a bunch of runway divers.
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I forget why do we have Rank in the first place?
Cant we get rid of all that non-sense and just keep a tally of how many kills u have?
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Who cares how many kills you have? I wouldn't mind if you didn't get any recognition of kills at the end of a run.
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everbody duck stang is trying to be humble!!!:O
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I think they should change it so you need 5 kills in a sortie for any broadcast. Two is only hard if you are brand new.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
everbody duck stang is trying to be humble!!!:O
Stang is right.
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if nobody cares about rank...why so many posting about it?
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Originally posted by killnu
if nobody cares about rank...why so many posting about it?
Because, for most, it is all they have. :aok
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Then let them have it...it doesnt affect you...if you really dont care about it.:aok
my point is...if you dont care about...so what if they fly to improve it? I only run across a few of them a day that run for rank sake...most run because they just dont know any better. If you chase them down...or get them to turn and engage...find out who they are...most of them have pitiful ranks...they fly timid because that is the way they are. Only a handful of the 4000+ that play are timid because of rank.
so in the end...big deal and move on to another con. Granted I will still try to bait the runner into turning around...that is just fun to do.:)
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Originally posted by Stang
Who cares how many kills you have? I wouldn't mind if you didn't get any recognition of kills at the end of a run.
Truth. I just enjoy embarrassing the rank-tards and timid flyers.. no need to get your name in lights.
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Originally posted by killnu
if nobody cares about rank...why so many posting about it?
It would appear only one person started this thread and the others are only stating what a waste of time rank is (and i agree 100%).
Just because you don't care about rank doesn't mean you shouldn't post anything about it. If it weren't for rank we wouldn't have as many runners and campers as we do now. It really takes the fun out of the game if you ask me and THAT is why I'm posting here. How about you?:huh
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It really takes the fun out of the game if you ask me
so you do care about it. maybe not what yours is...but you care about it...and how it affects gameplay in your eyes.
I dont think it affects gameplay as much as most think...as pointed out in my earlier post in this thread.
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I will say I did like it back in AW where it showed on your score sheet the last 8 or 10 people you killed and who killed you last...
Also in AW, the longer you went without dieing there would be a gradual increase in the worth of your kills. When you died it reset to the base amount again...
There's not that many survivalists in AH though what with rams, HO's and 262s etc...I doubt any kill streak UI additions would transform many into survivalists...Maybe just make being one even more fun ... ;)
Take a look at the component K/D stat that comprises the aggregate fighter rank at tour's end. There you will find the proof that while there may be a perception of rampant timidity it's really just an illusion. People tend to fly timid only situationally for the most part. For example, right now out of 4,000+ players this tour a 10 to 1 k/d in fighter gets you ranked 25th in that sub-stat, just a paultry 5 to 1 k/d ranks you in the top 100 of all fighter pilots in the game. K/d is the least competitive of the Fighter rank sub-stats which indicates very few are trying for it per se, thus are probably not flying particularly timidly. If people are playing timid, they sure as hell suck at it, generally speaking...Because they're getting killed anyways... ;)
Zazen
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all I have to do to get into 2-300s is run 4-6 succesful specific missions- very easy.
A good rank means you understand the games scoring system and have the time & interest to utilize your knowledge. Of course its a bit easier if your a halfway decent stick, but it isnt really necessary.....:)
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The only problem with rank is that people try to equate "skills" with rank. It is just a scavenger hunt, and changing the items on the list won't change the way people perceive it.
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People run for many valid reasons. Among them:
Low on fuel
Out of ammo
Pilot wound
Leaking oil
Damaged radiator
B'n'Zer being chased by a T'n'Ber (maybe even with dive speed)
Exiting a heavily outnumbered situation
Trying to gain seperation for a reversal
And some reasons maybe less valid but at least understandable:
Noobie
Inexperience in the plane they are flying
Except those last two the reasons are far from timidity.
I'd like to see every one of the "run whiners" stay in it from now on any time one of these happens to you. (yeah, sure)
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Originally posted by killnu
I dont think it affects gameplay as much as most think...as pointed out in my earlier post in this thread.
It does affect the gameplay very much.
I remember when AH2 was released. 2 weeks or so no scores were recorded, no stats, no ranking.
Everybody fought, even the timid guys and we all had fun, something like that will probably never be seen again.
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Once every month, everybody has a rank of 0.
What you do from there is all you.
Improving your next month's score is the challenge,
Besting yourself.
:aok
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I kinda thought about this for a while and I think I finally have an answer.
The guys who spend 6+ hours in the cockpit a day get pretty rank.
Those who spend 3+ hours in the cockpit daily aint quite so rank.
Those who spend an hour or so are usually not rank at all.
Ergo, anyone who is rank should probably think about taking a shower every once in a while.
:rofl
Ren
The Damned
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MA doesn't have obligations, duties, nor commitment to your team mates.
Rank is a mere reflection of how opportunistic one is.
I've seen plenty of guys with good heart and good skills, who will stay with their friends in times of trouble, fighting in the worst of conditions and getting shot down pretty often. Their rank never exceeds 200, but they are whom I respect.
On the other hand I've also seen plenty of tards who fly under their "squad"(...rather, "thug mob") protection, first to arrive in vulch, first to run away when things go bad, abandon friends, use them as bait, lazy BnZing while others are getting shot down, never leave the horde, never fight against a horde, and etc etc..
These are the tards in the tardy mob squads who are in the center of the MA milkruns, leading those 'mishuns' which is just a big set-up to lure clueless n00bs with big words like "teamwork" and "cooperation", where in reality, the so called "leaders" of them tardy mob merely uses their mission participants as unwitting pawns, to lure enemy defenses out into the open. 99% of these 'mishuns' are destined for failure. The only purpose of these 'mishuns' is to use everyone as bait so the mishun leaders can rack up huge numbers of kills and return home with big scores - all the while their own guys are being slaughtered by the defenses.
If Combat Tour is launched, and people are to prove themselves as leaders and a part of the team, bound to duties to protect their wingmen, getting the mission done, and still survivng all that to top out with a good score - only then I will admit their rank as a reminder of skill.
In any other case, MA rank only means you're that much of a weasel.
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I say we take rank and score out of the game. Maybe keep stats. It would kill EW/MW arenas tho, but it doesnt look like those arenas are used for _much_ more than milkrunning anyway.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I say we take rank and score out of the game. Maybe keep stats. It would kill EW/MW arenas tho, but it doesnt look like those arenas are used for _much_ more than milkrunning anyway.
I say we take Nilsen out of the game.
:D
(BTW, I would even expand the score thingy. Give EW & MW a seperate score, just like the AvA. Capturing udefended bases there wouldn't help your rank anymore then...)
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Originally posted by Lusche
Give EW & MW a seperate score
sounds fine by me :)
(I still say we take it away and keep stats for personal use only)
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Everybody fought, even the timid guys and we all had fun
I was here then as well. I still run into the majority that fight...and it is the large majority. Not all of them turn fight...but they fight. It is a minority that run to maintain score. There are more that run...but not just for scores sake. I think most that run now, would run with or without score. They run because that is all they know...run far enough away to turn back around without giving up a shot...they dont know how to force an overshoot. I say that, because a lot of them when they do get caught...or attempt an overshoot...they either fail miserably or it turns into some kind of stir looking thing.
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Originally posted by Stang
Who cares how many kills you have? I wouldn't mind if you didn't get any recognition of kills at the end of a run.
Now this I agree with 100%, I have seen some pilots pull out of a fight just to have their name up in lights...bad form :)
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Originally posted by cleve
Now this I agree with 100%, I have seen some pilots pull out of a fight just to have their name up in lights...bad form :)
Yep. It happened last night. This "chodes" buddies fell like flies he tried running, and never landed. Rank = Timidity.
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I think getting your name in lights is a big thing for the newbies. Its the second hurdle a pilot of cartoon planes hits..... first being getting your first kill. Being a "game" there will always be a way to keep score, other wise why play?
If there were no scores, those of us that like to fly and fight would stay, because its what we like. On the other hand those that play for the score that they get.....however they may earn it.... would leave. My thinking is that HTC is going to use everything they can to keep as large a player base as they can.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I think getting your name in lights is a big thing for the newbies. Its the second hurdle a pilot of cartoon planes hits..... first being getting your first kill. Being a "game" there will always be a way to keep score, other wise why play?
If there were no scores, those of us that like to fly and fight would stay, because its what we like. On the other hand those that play for the score that they get.....however they may earn it.... would leave. My thinking is that HTC is going to use everything they can to keep as large a player base as they can.
All very true.
We can still make fun of the pointmongers though, can't we?
- oldman
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Rank = Timidity.
thats BS
I've met high ranked pilots deliberatly taking on many enemies without regard to their own safety and I have seen a lot consistently low ranked players run for 4 sectors whenever a red icon came in range. Rank says nada.
Personally, I had always the same flying/combat style. I acted the same "timid" way when I didn't know about ranks at all, when I was ranked around #1500 as I do now when I'm ranked <10 most of my time. Take away the ranks and I will still fly that way.
I try to accomplish my mission and to stay alive & land as well. That's part of my silly pretending being a WW2 cartoon combat pilot ;)
Just diving into a sea of red and turnfighting until I go down is not enough for me. Sometimes I do it, but in the long run, I find that kind of airquake pretty boring
Sometimes I just consider a sortie succesfull if I managed to land my badly shot up plane at all, without getting any kills. I take some risks but usually I don't try and push my luck. Of course, with increasing skill over the time, the "risks" I am willing to take in my cartoon plane increase as well.
My currently high rank is a result of that playing style, not vice versa. I do all aspects of this game, from dogfighting to GV combat, because I enjoy them, not because getting a high rank requires it.
One tour I tried to fly for rank out of pure curiosity. I found it extremely boring and tiresome, greatly reducing my fun. And it wasn't even very succesfull at all...
(And while I'm at it: It's a pure myth that you have to milkrun EW & MW all day to get a high rank. It's only a requirement to get #1 in bombers ;) )
The funny thing is, the only people constantly talking about rank are the ones claiming not to care about it.
All those nice insulting PM I get just because of my rank, like "Now you think your 1337, but you suck" make me smile, because I never say nor think such things... but apparently those guys do
And if you belive I smash my keyboard or go into fits if I'm shot down. I have to disappoint you - After getting shot down approx. 4000 times in this game, I am pretty used to it :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
thats BS
I've met high ranked pilots deliberatly taking on many enemies without regard to their own safety and I have seen a lot consistently low ranked players run for 4 sectors whenever a red icon came in range. Rank says nada.
Personally, I had always the same flying/combat style. I acted the same "timid" way when I didn't know about ranks at all, when I was ranked around #1500 as I do now when I'm ranked <10 most of my time. Take away the ranks and I will still fly that way.
I try to accomplish my mission and to stay alive & land as well. That's part of my silly pretending being a WW2 cartoon combat pilot ;)
Just diving into a sea of red and turnfighting until I go down is not enough for me. Sometimes I do it, but in the long run, I find that kind of airquake pretty boring
Sometimes I just consider a sortie succesfull if I managed to land my badly shot up plane at all, without getting any kills. I take some risks but usually I don't try and push my luck. Of course, with increasing skill over the time, the "risks" I am willing to take in my cartoon plane increase as well.
My currently high rank is a result of that playing style, not vice versa. I do all aspects of this game, from dogfighting to GV combat, because I enjoy them, not because getting a high rank requires it.
One tour I tried to fly for rank out of pure curiosity. I found it extremely boring and tiresome, greatly reducing my fun. And it wasn't even very succesfull at all...
(And while I'm at it: It's a pure myth that you have to milkrun EW & MW all day to get a high rank. It's only a requirement to get #1 in bombers ;) )
The funny thing is, the only people constantly talking about rank are the ones claiming not to care about it.
All those nice insulting PM I get just because of my rank, like "Now you think your 1337, but you suck" make me smile, because I never say nor think such things... but apparently those guys do
And if you belive I smash my keyboard or go into fits if I'm shot down. I have to disappoint you - After getting shot down approx. 4000 times in this game, I am pretty used to it :D
Funny how opinions vary, eh?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Funny how opinions vary, eh?
Yes, funny.
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Maybe the ranking system is not perfect, what is? But what Lusche says is very true, for myself atleast. I never finish a tour with a score much better than top 50 and right now I'm outside that mark. You don't have to milkrun for a good score, just kill and destroy alot of bad guys, and bad guys stuff. I like to get home with my kills, not to "see my name in lights", but because I like immersion, and I like the feeling, the accomplishment. To say rank is no measure at all of ones ability is off the mark imo. Look at the top ranked 50 pilots:
Shawk is dangerous, Lusche is dangerous, Pacerr, ElevenK, and so on and so on. Not everyone with a good score games the game to get it. AKdogg is dangerous. Ever run into Rondar in a one on one tank brawl?, the man is dangerous. Are their players who speicialize in one thing and therfor their scores may not reflect thier skill level accuratly when compared to the entire population? Of course, always will be, but that doesn't nullify the accomplishments of those who prefer all aspects of the fight. That's just my thoughts and no need to beat me up, cuz it's my birthday today, and my wife brought home a new flat 19'' for me to enjoy getting my planes home even more with. :cool:
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Pacerr is dangerous? LMFAO. I'm done.
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Originally posted by Stampf
plishments of those who prefer all aspects of the fight. That's just my thoughts and no need to beat me up, cuz it's my birthday today, and my wife brought home a new flat 19'' for me to enjoy getting my planes home even more with. :cool:
Happy birthday!
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It's all relevent Karaya. Sure he flies La 7's more than anything else, and may be no threat at all to you in the sky, but his 706 kills so far this month probably frustrated at least a few enemy pilots. This topic will go on and on just like the other 'Hot buttons" in the community. Everyone is different (thank God), and that's the only thing that surely is not going to change.
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Thank you Lusche. :)
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Originally posted by Stampf
, Lusche is dangerous
I don't feel dangerous. Was just killed like a blindfolded noob by Teflon's Tiffie... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Stampf
It's all relevent Karaya. Sure he flies La 7's more than anything else, and may be no threat at all to you in the sky, but his 706 kills so far this month probably frustrated at least a few enemy pilots. This topic will go on and on just like the other 'Hot buttons" in the community. Everyone is different (thank God), and that's the only thing that surely is not going to change.
He is as timid as they come, I can careless about the number of kills. Landing 2 kills consistantly in an La7 is like taking sand to the beach. Then again, he runs from 1 vs 1's consistantly too.
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Any noob can get their rank down to below 50 without ANY trouble at all. They don't have to know how to "fly" they just have to know how to milk points out of the current system we have now. :aok
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Funny thing how the people who always want to get rid of rank are the ones who are ranked low.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Funny thing how the people who always want to get rid of rank are the ones who are ranked low.
maybe because they know how utterly meaningless it is
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Any noob can get their rank down to below 50 without ANY trouble at all. They don't have to know how to "fly" they just have to know how to milk points out of the current system we have now. :aok
Well, after all you have to kill a lot of other players to get overall rank <50 You can't do that without at least some flying skill
Mayn noobs are actually trying and fail :)
I don't know about today's noobs, but I would have certainly not been able to that in my first months...
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Originally posted by Nilsen
maybe because they know how utterly meaningless it is
Hush, you timid high ranked player. :D
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Karaya, you are probably right, as you clearly know him better than I do. He's not the point though. The point is everyone plays differently, he WAS dangerous to the two peeps he killed before running home (?).
Bucky, Half of Attack, Half of Vehicle, and ALL of Fighter have to do with killing the enemy, so I disagree with you as far as "honest game play" goes, but respect your view on the topic.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Hush, you timid high ranked player. :D
lol :D
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Originally posted by Stampf
Bucky, Half of Attack, Half of Vehicle, and ALL of Fighter have to do with killing the enemy, so I disagree with you as far as "honest game play" goes, but respect your view on the topic.
Does hit% in fighter scores only count if you hit a fighter and not some building at a factory? I'm asking because I'm not sure. :D
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Yes, yes it does.
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Does hit% in fighter scores only count if you hit a fighter and not some building at a factory? I'm asking because I'm not sure. :D
you need to hit another plane
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Some good comments. It seems to boil down to this.
Do we want Survivalists?
I would vote yes because it's more realistic and it's the kind of game I want.
Doesn't Fighter Town provide enough quick fights?
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I would think the survivalist faction would be wanting TOD.
A totally survivalist MA would be, to me, boring beyond belief.
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
Some good comments. It seems to boil down to this.
Do we want Survivalists?
Let me answer with the words of the late philosopher Robert Palmer:
It takes every kind of people...
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Originally posted by Stampf
Shawk is dangerous, Lusche is dangerous, Pacerr, ElevenK, . AKdogg is dangerous.
You're kidding right? As an example, look at Lusche's score. He's a scorepotato pure and simple. He's playing for rank. The proof is right in front of you. Look at the time he spends in fighter mode as compared to attack. He has merely a handful of hours in fighter mode, the rest in attack.
I'll bet if you check his stats you'll find that the ones that show the highest kill totals are perk rides. The only time he goes into fighter mode is when he can vulch and cherry pick(no doubt in a perk ride as well). It's the Shawk method of scorewhoring. It's effective, but it's a long way from being dangerous. There's such a difference.
You did name a couple of decent sticks though. Both elevenk and AKdogg are good stick, IMHO.
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Steve,
My time in a fighter dwarfs my time in attack mode, and I don't chase rank mostly due to the time and boredom involved, however; If Shawk shoots me down with his 190 in attack mode, vrs fighter mode, whats the dif?
Please put on grave marker "Died to a scorepotato in Attack mode". My family will not feel so bad.
Of course that's a silly example and no one dies in this game, but the whole point is alot of people play it like they do. Some guys just wanna dogfight, pure and simple and know another plane is just a re-up away. Maybe that also effects the way they play, fly, fight, in the exact opposite way that trying to make it home effects others.
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Originally posted by Stampf
Steve,
My time in a fighter dwarfs my time in attack mode, and I don't chase rank mostly due to the time and boredom involved, however; If Shawk shoots me down with his 190 in attack mode, vrs fighter mode, whats the dif?
I was explaining my position how they are scorepotatos and play for rank and are not among the "dangerous". That's it.
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Hey can't I be dangerous as well ?:(
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You're kidding right? As an example, look at Lusche's score. He's a scorepotato pure and simple. He's playing for rank. The proof is right in front of you. Look at the time he spends in fighter mode as compared to attack. He has merely a handful of hours in fighter mode, the rest in attack.
I'll bet if you check his stats you'll find that the ones that show the highest kill totals are perk rides. The only time he goes into fighter mode is when he can vulch and cherry pick(no doubt in a perk ride as well). It's the Shawk method of scorewhoring. It's effective, but it's a long way from being dangerous. There's such a difference.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I fly always in attack mode because I'm to lazy to switch modes in hangar. Only exceptions are of course planes which only score in fighter mode like 262, 163, C205 or similar rides, or when I KNOW im exclusively buff hunting. So naturally I have more time in
"attack" mode. My seemingly high K/D is just a result of that - buff hunting.
But I guess flying in attack mode at all is sufficient to make someone a " scorepotato"
EDIT: But I truly share your doubts on classifying me as dangerous. Only to total noobs & buffs perhaps...
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Originally posted by LYNX
Hey can't I be dangerous as well ?:(
I think you are.
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So do I. Many a times Lynx has sent me a floating down from 20K.
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I fly always in attack mode because I'm to lazy to switch modes in hangar. Only exceptions are of course planes which only score in fighter mode like 262, 163, C205 or similar rides, or when I KNOW im exclusively buff hunting. So naturally I have more time in
"attack" mode. My seemingly high K/D is just a result of that - buff hunting.
But I guess flying in attack mode at all is sufficient to make someone a " scorepotato"
The default mode for most planes is fighter mode, so you weren't too lazy to switch them to attack mode.
Some scorepotatos make excuses, like you.
I'll bet if you check his stats you'll find that the ones that show the highest kill totals are perk rides.
Hey, I was right. I could care less if you want to play for rank and scorepotato. It's your $15.00. To come here and make up lame excuses is how you aren't one is crass.
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Originally posted by Stampf
So do I. Many a times Lynx has sent me a floating down from 20K.
Yikes. no wonder I've never heard of you guys, you fly 10 to 15k over me.
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Lynx can be found everywhere. Most often he has killed me just at treetop level over tanktown.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The default mode for most planes is fighter mode, so you weren't too lazy to switch them to attack mode.
Some scorepotatos make excuses, like you.
Hey, I was right. I could care less if you want to play for rank and scorepotato. It's your $15.00. To come here and make up lame excuses is how you aren't one is crass.
You guy getting almost more funny every post. :aok
BTW, what's your handle, just in case we run into each other next time?
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yikes. no wonder I've never heard of you guys, you fly 10 to 15k over me.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Please.
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Originally posted by Stampf
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Please.
Well you just said you fly at 20k. I don't go past 8 or 9 k. 'shrug'
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Originally posted by Lusche
You guy getting almost more funny every post. :aok
BTW, what's your handle, just in case we run into each other next time?
Denial, one of the last bastions of the ashamed. I'm not sure why you fight the label of what you are. Shawk is unabashed in his scorewhoring. Don't waste my time any further with your excuses, just admit what you are... why is it such a big deal to you, socrepotato? We're done here.
Steve
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Well you just said you fly at 20k. I don't go past 8 or 9 k. 'shrug'
Soooo.... you have a fear of hights?
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
The default mode for most planes is fighter mode, so you weren't too lazy to switch them to attack mode.
Some scorepotatos make excuses, like you.
Hey, I was right. I could care less if you want to play for rank and scorepotato. It's your $15.00. To come here and make up lame excuses is how you aren't one is crass.
FYI, default mode may be "fighter" mode, but if you change it to "attack" mode it will stay there unless changed back..
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Yes Steve, when we (myself and squad) see a full sector of dar upping 50 miles behind the front, yes we scramble for altitude in order to intercept expected inbound bombers (oh the horror).
My statement was and remains, is that's where I have most often run into Lynx. Flying high in bombers. He is a dead eye shot in all gun positions and an excellant advisary.
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Stampf...ur a good man but to say Pacerr is dangerous is one of the funniest things I've read in awhile. He's only dangerous when you are on the runway.:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yikes. no wonder I've never heard of you guys, you fly 10 to 15k over me.
The real reason you ain't heard of me is because I'm in bed with 5 to 8 hrs ahead of you in GMT... a Brit. As far as fights go any alt is fine with me. I likes me fighting and I prefer T&B against greater odds. Having said that I ain't into suicide low an slow off an enemy base...bloody pointless.;)
Not to keen on GV'ing but I will strat a factory for the war effort and I will PT CV's and I most certainly will bomb the chitzoid outta a city. Never understood the point in hanger banging when it's the bleedin town that need bombed. Let the fighter cap and bombers bomb TOWNS.
I play the game for my fun and that ain't 24 / 7 furballing. I likes to have a hand in resets and I'll fight between captures.......Oh, nearly forgot ....only point to rank is CV command.....ask around about El Capitain lynx:rofl
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Originally posted by LYNX
The real reason you ain't heard of me is because I'm in bed with 5 to 8 hrs ahead of you in GMT... a Brit. :rofl
Lynx, I didn't mean my comment about alt to be any sort of insult or derogatory in any way. Just that if someone spends a lot of time up there, I won't run into them. I apologize to you if I was unclear and gave offense.
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Originally posted by Stampf
Yes Steve, when we (myself and squad) see a full sector of dar upping 50 miles behind the front, .
Stampf, as I said to Lynx, I didn't mean to imply an insult that you fly up there... simply that I don't and would therefore not run into someone that flew up there regularly. My apology to you as well if I was unclear.
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Bucky,
I already conceeded to Karaya that that particular player may have been a bad example. He flies for the same country as I do, so persepective of course plays into it. I just looked at the top scores to date this month and posted the names...(minus the ones that I myself knew were not dangerous).
The only thing I know about Him is that once I had a great fight going on with an exceptionally well flown Mossie, and without warning or notice, he swooped in with his LA and ruined our fun. I'm not pro rank or anti. I'm pro fun, I just think some of the blanket statements made here are open to alternative discussion.
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Originally posted by Scca
FYI, default mode may be "fighter" mode, but if you change it to "attack" mode it will stay there unless changed back..
Yes, but the point was that he claimed to be too lazy to switch to fighter mode, yet he wasn't too lazy to switch to attack. Obviously, he gives excuse.
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Absolutly none taken.....just like talking about meself:D
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yes, but the point was that he claimed to be too lazy to switch to fighter mode, yet he wasn't too lazy to switch to attack. Obviously, he gives excuse.
:rofl
I switched it ONE time to attack mode and never again, instead of changing each flight according to mission profile. So your argument is void.
And I am still waiting for your handle....
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No prob, none taken. It's a big sky.
And thanks Bucky...for the character statement. Integrity is everything, even more so on the intardnet. For some at least.
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Originally posted by Lusche
And I am still waiting for your handle....
You won't get it, don't hold your breath. Many adversarial people use anonymity to keep from being responsible for their actions.
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Originally posted by Stampf
Bucky,
I already conceeded to Karaya that that particular player may have been a bad example. He flies for the same country as I do, so persepective of course plays into it. I just looked at the top scores to date this month and posted the names...(minus the ones that I myself knew were not dangerous).
The only thing I know about Him is that once I had a great fight going on with an exceptionally well flown Mossie, and without warning or notice, he swooped in with his LA and ruined our fun. I'm not pro rank or anti. I'm pro fun, I just think some of the blanket statements made here are open to alternative discussion.
Top Score means NOTHING. This is my whole point, but other's (including yourself seem to think it) don't seem to grasp on to the concept.
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Originally posted by Lusche
You guy getting almost more funny every post. :aok
BTW, what's your handle, just in case we run into each other next time?
Originally posted by SteveBailey
Denial, one of the last bastions of the ashamed. I'm not sure why you fight the label of what you are. Shawk is unabashed in his scorewhoring. Don't waste my time any further with your excuses, just admit what you are... why is it such a big deal to you, socrepotato? We're done here.
Steve
You need a roadmap? Yes, this is "the Steve" that has just recently come back from a break of AH.
Steve, you couldn't be more correct in your posts. <>
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Originally posted by Scca
You won't get it, don't hold your breath. Many adversarial people use anonymity to keep from being responsible for their actions.
He gave it out in one of the posts, and his "handle" was already discussed when he came back. Wake up and use "Search" before you post stuff like this.
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Originally posted by Scca
You won't get it, don't hold your breath. Many adversarial people use anonymity to keep from being responsible for their actions.
I'm not absolutely certain but I'm pretty sure SteveBailey flys under a handle that is really deceptive.
He goes by Steve in the game and he's currently ranked 27 in fighters.
I think that's your guy.
He used to be a cherry picking weiner back in the old days but then he discovered the joys of close combat. ;)
How ya doin' Steve? You ought to visit the MW some and try the P-51B in there. Some great fights lately.
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<--- smooches Masherbrum
Thanks for clearing that up for all of us.. You are truly the jewel of the boards.
(Didn't even have to "Search" to know that)
Originally posted by Masherbrum
He gave it out in one of the posts, and his "handle" was already discussed when he came back. Wake up and use "Search" before you post stuff like this.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Top Score means NOTHING. This is my whole point, but other's (including yourself seem to think it) don't seem to grasp on to the concept.
yes Ranks means nada just as karaya has said.
Look at your top 10 pilots this tour and that says it all.
Shawk - Good stick if I had a choice I wouldnt want to fight him
Lusche - Fight him all day long
pacerr - If I could catch him I would fight him :) hehe jk Pacerr
Zip5389 - Would fight him all day long
AXER -Would fight him all day long
Dextur - Would fight him all day long
LYNX - Would fight him all day long
Wreaper - Would fight him all day long
Nilsen -Wouldnt want to fight him if possible but wouldnt run from him, so would fight him all day long
AKDogg - This is the only one I fear I would completely run the other way screaming on vox for help and begging on 200 for him to let me go :)
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Dunno what i should read into that Husky but
:)
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tell ya what, no matter how crappy my day has been i know i will feel better after going to AH BB you guys crack me up,:lol :rofl
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Originally posted by Husky01
Lusche - Fight him all day long
And I would ho you just for laughs & giggles :D
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Originally posted by Lusche
And I would ho you just for laughs & giggles :D
Na, you'd run ;)
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Originally posted by Scca
Na, you'd run ;)
Yes, but only after my failed Ho attempt...
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Pilot score is like any other statistic, put in a certain context, they can say anything you want them to. It depends on your ultimate purpose and use, and the criteria by which they are judged, that give them any value (accurate or not, good or bad).
As a pure marker of who's better than who, score is pretty lame because the conditions for accumulating the statistic is so varied. You have to know what a statistic can and cannot support based on what and how it is recorded.
Alot of what we are talking about here is pilot respect. Anyone who reaches <500 score in most any catagory IMO is probably pretty good in that skill. Under 200 they are always difficult and dangerous. But while I can respect that there is significant flying skill involved, it's respect for the player's gamestyle that is important to me. At the same time, always remembering that it's their $15 to spend any way they like. It's just, if you play lame, IMO you are lame. All of which is really only important to me. lol
Three pilots who all have excellent skills, but three different styles of play (in my experience) and three different levels of pilot respect.
SHawk, Lynx, Paccer
Lynx -
Had many dogfights, bomber intercepts, GV's fights, etc with him. Always one to watch out for, and very satisfying on the few times I win.
Have much respect as he does most everything at any time. BnZ, TnB, cherry pick, vulch, save a friendly, defend a base against odds, complete dangerous missions. He plays the whole game, the whole time.
SHawk -
Most of my fights, but not all, have been at extreme disadvantage for me. He's very opportunistic, a touch too much for my taste. However, I have had a few even dogfights and he mostly kicks my butt.
I respect him as he can and sometimes does play the whole game, but IMO plays it a little too safe sometimes, seemingly for score (could be wrong, but does appear that way).
Paccer -
I'm sure I must have had at least one dogfight with him, but I can't remember when. Don't remember ever seeing him in anything, but a Tempest or LA7. Totally opportunistic 'safety' player going simply for ego score. IMO will hang friendly out as bait, BnZ cherry picks other's kills, runs for cover when he sees 1.05 enemy planes in the neighborhood.
He's good at what he does, no doubt, but he does so little. He is otherwise a non-entity to me in the game. He does nothing and means nothing. My dog has fleas that are more annoying. No respect for him at all, and of course, he could care less, which in and of itself, makes my point about him.
All in all, it's very interesting how players have differing experiences and opinions of other players. A true consenus would be hard to reach. In the end, it all comes down to our own perception and values. No one is totally right, there are many 'truths' out there.
As for my gamestyle, I'm generally a team player, but I've finally learned not to get vulched 17 times defending a base. I'll still try to help break a CAP until I see it's pointless. I always look for advantage over an opponent, but don't climb to 18K over my base in a Tempest then go cruising for outnumbered loners. I'll take on 3 v. 1 if the mission is worth it, like saving a friend, but I do enjoy fighter sweeps and hunter tactics with 1,2 or 3 squaddies.
On a hotly contested base defense, I'll shoot at any plane that gets in front of me or dive in on a defensive bandit for a cherry pick (telling friendlies first). Otherwise, I'll ask a friendly engaged in a 1 v. 1 if he needs assistance, and wait out the result if he says no.
I will do anything to complete my mission, i.e. face certain ack-death to take out ord if needed, or run the other way to get to my target. Sometimes, just for the fun of it, I'll get in 'real WWII mode' meaning I'll work the tactical situation as if it were a real death scenario -- run, climb, dive, use any and all of my plane's advantages to turn a defensive posture into an offensive one, then make the kill.
As for my score, it gives me a rough indicator if I'm doing well or in a slump, tells me if I'm improving over last tour or not. Yes, I'm proud my score has improved and is in the upper percentiles more often than not (for fighters nowhere near the above mention pilots), but it doesn't rule my gameplay. I got my score while doing everything, all the time.
I don't want be #1 (though I wouldn't complain, of course, lol), I just want to be respected (if I ever am) as a worthy opponent.
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Originally posted by Stang
Who cares how many kills you have? I wouldn't mind if you didn't get any recognition of kills at the end of a run.
BRILLIANT!
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First Off, people need to stop confusing Total Rank with Fighter Rank. There's a sort function for Fighter rank on the score page...Everytime a discussion commences on Fighter Rank issues people start talking about total rank. Alot of the people in the top 50 in overall rank don't even make the top 200 in fighter rank, conversely alot of the top 50 in fighters don't do anything but fighter so their overall rank is in the 1000+s. So, it's like comparing apples to oranges..
Obtaining a top 50 fighter rank requires a balance of the 5 factors that go into it (Hit %, K/T, K/S, K/D and points). Some of those factors are almost mutually exclusive therefore tricky to keep balanced. Also the sub-stats that comprise fighter rank reach a point of diminishing returns once you get within the higher echelons of them to varying degrees, relatively speaking. By that I mean getting better and better in that sub-stat yields far less difference in terms of your sub-stat and overall fighter rank after a certain point.
As an example I will use a current snap shot and my squadmate Kappa's stats and my own because it is a perfect illustration of what I'm talking about. It is a fantastic example of why flying purely for K/D is not about rank, it's about role-playing, the personal satisfaction of being a survivalist and contempt for giving up your pelt, it has absolutely nothing to do with rank and even makes it worse to a degree as I will explain.
Zazen (Fighter Rank 3)
Kills per Death + 1 67.67 (1)
Kills per Sortie 5.34 (5)
Kills per Hr of Flight 10.22 (106)
Kills Hit Percentage 18.97 (17)
Kill Points 50418.95 (43)
Kappa (Fighter Rank 2)
Kills per Death + 1 9.95 (26)
Kills per Sortie 4.62 (11)
Kills per Hr of Flight 14.04 (36)
Kills Hit Percentage 14.63 (47)
Kill Points 58760.74 (26)
Notice Kappa outranks me with a K/D below 10 to 1 even though I out gun him significantly and kill more per sortie and have a whopping K/D of 67.67 to 1, a factor of 6+ times better than Kappa's. Notice how little difference that HUGE difference in K/D makes in terms of sub-stat and fighter rank. The price I pay, in terms of rank, for that pristine K/D and all those RTB flights is an inferior K/T. Notice the relatively large sub-stat and fighter rank difference garnered by the relatively small difference in the K/T sub-stat between us, he kills just 1 more plane every 15 minutes than I do. Now if I were playing for rank and not just the personal satisfaction of living it would behoove me, after solidifying a 10 to 1 k/d or so, to forego survivalism and solely concentrate on killing as quickly as possible even if it meant dieing in the process, actually, especially if it meant dieing in the process as dieing is actually a huge time saver...
I suggest anyone who thinks flying extremely timidly improves your fighter rank is completely delusional. Two things happen if you fly overly timid. 1) You get very few kills 2) The few kills you get, you may land, but it takes you a LONG time, screwing your K/T and totally destroying your fighter rank.
The only way to reconcile flying to live and maintaining a decent K/T is to fight aggressively enough to kill quickly while maintaining enough SA not to get ganged, HO'd, rammed or run down by the horde. The key is knowing when to press the attack and when to consolidate your position, regain your altitude and SA, in short, as close to perfect decision making ability as possible. Furthermore, while flying in a horde may be good for your K/D it is incredibly bad for your K/T. Having to compete with 50 friendlies for a kill is not conducive to good K/T at all I promise you...
I'm throwing down the gauntlet here, any of you who say a top 50 fighter rank is easy to attain with a great K/D by flying timidly ..show me, do it, get a 50 to 1 + K/D just one camp without vulching or flying 262's and still get a reasonable amount of kills per hour (8+). With Ho'ing, ramming and a LW MA filled to the brim with people more than happy to give their virtual cartoon plane life in a frenzied, suicidal attempt to end your hop, it isn't as easy as you may think, I promise you...Give it a try......I dare ya ;)
Zazen
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awwww you didnt use me in your comparison? Of course...I am pretty timid. I must be.
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The day I give a damn about my "Fighter Rank" is the day I hang it up. Again, I agree with Stang.
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Originally posted by killnu
awwww you didnt use me in your comparison? Of course...I am pretty timid. I must be.
Hehe, I used Kappa because there was a more stark comparison which made for better illustration of my point. You and I have roughly the same hit % and you have alot more points than either Kappa or I. Has nothing to do with timidity I assure ya, buddy :)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
The day I give a damn about my "Fighter Rank" is the day I hang it up.
Either do I , I just care about surviving and whipping arse in the process. The point of my little illustration was to refute the position that flying 35k and being incredibly timid equates to some kind of magically blessed K/D endowed path to Fighter-Rank-potato-Dom. In truth the exact opposite is true. The best possible way to get a top fighter rank is to get to the fight as fast as possible kill 5-10 and die while retaining good marksmanship during the process. That's part of the reason so many Lgay7 tards with no discernable fighter talents appear in the top 50 in Fighters. Their plane is suited to that mode of play. So, even an average stick in an Lgay7 can produce the right ratio of sub-stats to eek out a spot if they log enough hours.
Anyone sitting at 35k running from everything and not getting down and dirty on a regular basis where the food is will not appear in the top 10 on the Fighter chart in this life-time, I promise you...Unless of course they vulch their bellybutton off or farm buff kills with a 262 regularly...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Anyone sitting at 35k running from everything and not getting down and dirty on a regular basis where the food is will not appear in the top 10 on the Fighter chart in this life-time, I promise you...Unless of course they vulch their bellybutton off or farm buff kills with a 262 regularly...
And so describes my boy Pacerr.
;)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Either do I , I just care about surviving and whipping arse in the process. The point of my little illustration was to refute the position that flying 35k and being incredibly timid equates to some kind of magically blessed K/D endowed path to Fighter-Rank-potato-Dom. In truth the exact opposite is true. The best possible way to get a top fighter rank is to get to the fight as fast as possible kill 5-10 and die while retaining good marksmanship during the process. That's part of the reason so many Lgay7 tards with no discernable fighter talents appear in the top 50 in Fighters. Their plane is suited to that mode of play. So, even an average stick in an Lgay7 can produce the right ratio of sub-stats to eek out a spot if they log enough hours.
Anyone sitting at 35k running from everything and not getting down and dirty on a regular basis where the food is will not appear in the top 10 on the Fighter chart in this life-time, I promise you...Unless of course they vulch their bellybutton off or farm buff kills with a 262 regularly...
Zazen
Zazen, you've known me for 5 years as a Rook. What makes "karaya happy", is flying into a furball and getting as many pelts as I can. I don't even have to land, but I do WANT TO FIGHT. "Fighting" is the whole point of the game which has become forgotten to many.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Zazen, you've known me for 5 years as a Rook. What makes "karaya happy", is flying into a furball and getting as many pelts as I can. I don't even have to land, but I do WANT TO FIGHT. "Fighting" is the whole point of the game which has become forgotten to many.
Yea, I totally respect that and of course fighting is the point of "Fight"er Combat. What I am saying is, fighting and rank are really two sides of the same coin. Alot of people achieve a good rank consistantly without even thinking about it, merely by posessing skill and fighting for its own sake. You simply can't genuinely have a good fighter rank, vulching and 262 buff farming notwithstanding, without getting your hands dirty. It simply isn't possible to achieve a high enough K/T without getting deeply involved in a fight during at least some point in an average fighter hop...So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....
Zazen
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So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....
Not so sure I agree with that.
Looking at the top 50 this morning, I would say that the only ones that I consider to be "real" fighters are ...
kappa
Fester
Greebo
WingZeRo
Soulyss
aka
Steve
that is 7 out of 50 ... I see some names that are decent fighters, but I also see a lot of names in that list who couldn't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting, along with alot of names that I never even heard of.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, I totally respect that and of course fighting is the point of "Fight"er Combat. What I am saying is, fighting and rank are really two sides of the same coin. Alot of people achieve a good rank consistantly without even thinking about it, merely by posessing skill and fighting for its own sake. You simply can't genuinely have a good fighter rank, vulching and 262 buff farming notwithstanding, without getting your hands dirty. It simply isn't possible to achieve a high enough K/T without getting deeply involved in a fight during at least some point in an average fighter hop...So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....
Zazen
Agree to a point. There are a bunch that play this game that are "naturals". But most potato themselves for the sake of "name in lights". <> Zaz
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Originally posted by SlapShot
So, to say the prescence of good fighter rank is an indication of someone who doesn't really fight is ludicrous for the most part, with the notable exceptions mentioned above of course....
Not so sure I agree with that.
Looking at the top 50 this morning, I would say that the only ones that I consider to be "real" fighters are ...
kappa
Fester
Greebo
WingZeRo
Soulyss
aka
Steve
that is 7 out of 50 ... I see some names that are decent fighters, but I also see a lot of names in that list who couldn't find their arse with both hands when it comes to dogfighting, along with alot of names that I never even heard of.
There's some excellent pilots in the top 50, maybe a dozen. The rest are cannon fodder 1v1.
However, some of those dozen have been flying late-war fighters to a large extent (262, Tempest and so on).
I have never based my opinion of a pilot's ability upon scoring. I base my opinion of a pilot's ability on how they do 1v1 against me. That is a benchmark that means something to me.
Clobbering noobs while in a Tempest means nothing to me. Vulching in a Niki means nothing to me. The arenas are chock full of kids with no skills whatsoever. Most noobs spend less than an hour in the TA before they head off to the MAs. Stevie Wonder could run up an impressive score against these guys.
Win the KOTH, win the dueling ladder, that has some meaning. You had to fight and defeat some really capable pilots in these events.
Something else that cracks me up... Whining about having to take a ditch with several kills. "Dammit, I lost those kills 'cause I ran out of gas!"
They didn't lose the kills...They're just unhappy because their name isn't splashed across the text buffer and their egos were not assuaged.
This is why many don't like to duel in the Training Arena. No kills are recorded, no mention of their skill appears in text buffer (or anywhere else). I guess some people need that positive reinforcement... Some don't. I gravitate to those that don't, because they are more interested in having fun, rather than gnashing teeth over scores.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Looking at the top 50 this morning, I would say that the only ones that I consider to be "real" fighters are ...
kappa
Fester
Greebo
WingZeRo
Soulyss
aka
Steve
Not only is Soulyss a death-on-wings figure, he's also a true gentleman. Was fighting him a week ago when one of his countrymen decided to come pitch in. Every time the guy made a move on me, Soulyss went wings-level and departed the area until the situation was resolved, and only then returned to the fight. Memorable, it was, something that it would be nice to see more of.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Not only is Soulyss a death-on-wings figure, he's also a true gentleman. Was fighting him a week ago when one of his countrymen decided to come pitch in. Every time the guy made a move on me, Soulyss went wings-level and departed the area until the situation was resolved, and only then returned to the fight. Memorable, it was, something that it would be nice to see more of.
- oldman
I am not an uber stick, but I am getting better. What you said there is a rare occurance in the MA.
It happened to me the other night, and I was impressed.. I ended up towering out first, but it was quite a battle..
For some squads, you can count on them running unless they are at least 2v1 or better. Funny thing is, many of them won't DA me, and I stink...
I guess it's their $15... (chickens).
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I think you all are dangerous on any given day. A noob can get lucky but you guys who have been at this a while can school the average pretty easily. Do not sell yourselves short by any means. If you get the big head, the noob will get you. Enjoy your positions because with the rank structure as it stands now there will always be someone gunning for your spot. Whether you play for score or not. It takes all kinds to play this game (been said before). The environment we have now is a product of the group dynamic. If you remove part of the group the structure collapses and the game changes as we know it. I enjoy this game as it is, even with it's many faults. It's still the best sim I've found yet.
<>
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WW ... "that is 7 out of 50 ... I see some names that are decent fighters" ... could very easy equal a dozen ... ;)
The 7 that I did list, I know are very very dangerous, and I personally enjoy running into them any chance I get ... cause I know that I am in for a most excellent fight.
Like you, I have my own personal "top fighter" list and not many of them are ever ranked in the top 50.
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I suggest anyone who thinks flying extremely timidly improves your fighter rank is completely delusional.
You are a perfect example of this.
To compare you to kappa is the apples and oranges you mentioned. Sure kappa has a lot of kills in a 262 but he also mixes it up in 38 a ton, a plane that is very capable of course but one that is not so forgiving as far as egress goes should a fight turn sour. I fought kappa 1v1 the other day, he was in a jug, and I got a lucky snapshot on his oil. He could have tried to run for home for the land/ditch but he stayed in the fight and tried to take me with him. Your tempest wouldn't have even attempted this fight as I was nearly Co-E w/ kappa from the start. You would have moved on to more baby seals. You two may be in the same squad, but you are not in the same league. Survivalist.... timid.
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Karaya!
Toad, I'm comin to the MW-EW for a change of scenery... sounds like fun. :)
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gee thanks slapshot.:( but since I have fought and beat some of those on you list...I guess I feel ok about being omitted. hehe
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Karaya!
Toad, I'm comin to the MW-EW for a change of scenery... sounds like fun. :)
I may as well Steve. <> bro
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Originally posted by killnu
gee thanks slapshot.:( but since I have fought and beat some of those on you list...I guess I feel ok about being omitted. hehe
Ya BIG TOOL ... why the change in names ? ... I never knew you changed your CPID to Dolfo ... :rolleyes:
I have fought all those in that list and I have beaten them too ... but it doesn't put me in their league ... :cry
And yes ... you are a deadly adversary and always a good fight, along with be a great wingman ... ;)
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Come one ... Come all to the EW/MW. Toad and I flew against each other and then with each other last week ... I had a blast ... and I think Toad did too.
We were 2 fighting against 3/4/5/6 lifting from a CV until ...
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hehe never said I in their leauge...just happy that I have beat them on occasion.;)
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You are a perfect example of this.
To compare you to kappa is the apples and oranges you mentioned. Sure kappa has a lot of kills in a 262 but he also mixes it up in 38 a ton, a plane that is very capable of course but one that is not so forgiving as far as egress goes should a fight turn sour. I fought kappa 1v1 the other day, he was in a jug, and I got a lucky snapshot on his oil. He could have tried to run for home for the land/ditch but he stayed in the fight and tried to take me with him. Your tempest wouldn't have even attempted this fight as I was nearly Co-E w/ kappa from the start. You would have moved on to more baby seals. You two may be in the same squad, but you are not in the same league. Survivalist.... timid.
Yep, I totally agree, I am a completely skill-less and timid survivlist who absolutely never fights under any circumstances. That is exactly my point. Going back to the original poster who posted the notion of adding some kind of UI benefit for kill streaks at which point people came out of the woodwork saying K/D is for Rank potatos. The point of my illustrating a contrast between my score and Kappa's was not to in any way compare relative skill levels, obviously Kappa has more talent in his pinky toe than I could ever dream of having. I am fully aware any two week noob could whip my arse blind-folded, but that was not the point.
The point was to illustrate that K/D among the sub-stats that comprise fighter rank has a very short fuse when it comes to the point of diminishing returns when determining overall fighter rank. That means that very quickly a hardcore survivalist will reach a point where furthering his K/D will not help his fighter rank and can only hurt it. So, being a hardcore survivalist , especially a timid one, which you believe is always the case, can't be about fighter rank whoring, because it is entirely counter-productive to attaining the maximum fighter rank possible...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
a whole bunch of stuff that I actually read.
Zazen
Thanks for clearing that up for me, I misunderstood the point of your first post. I'm not sure about the two week noob or the pinky toe thing, though.
:D
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Originally posted by Scca
You won't get it, don't hold your breath. Many adversarial people use anonymity to keep from being responsible for their actions.
:lol
My CPID shouldn't have been hard to figure out with a little thought.
That's my real name there I post with and my home town is in my posted profile so I am about as far from being anonymous as anyone on this board.
You may need the "Jaws of life" to get your foot out of your mouth, I've rarely seen someone put one in so far.
:aok
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Three pilots who all have excellent skills, but three different styles of play (in my experience) and three different levels of pilot respect.
Paccer
Paccer -
I'm sure I must have had at least one dogfight with him, but I can't remember when. Don't remember ever seeing him in anything, but a Tempest or LA7. Totally opportunistic 'safety' player going simply for ego score. IMO will hang friendly out as bait, BnZ cherry picks other's kills, runs for cover when he sees 1.05 enemy planes in the neighborhood.
He's good at what he does, no doubt, but he does so little. He is otherwise a non-entity to me in the game. He does nothing and means nothing. My dog has fleas that are more annoying. No respect for him at all, and of course, he could care less, which in and of itself, makes my point about him.
i totaly disagree with you, i know Pacerr for 5-6 years in game, i know he sends anoying PMs and sometimes takes the game too serious
but...imop,talking from toolsheder point of view,Pacerr is the best, most eficient agressive base defender for knights,
This guy busted 1000s,of attacks and missions,killing the C47,M3 or the last floating trooper over town,in last moment, he knows the maps,and the tactic side of the game
i vulched him many many times, but he breaks through the CAP and defend the base,
You call him "safety,BZ,,runs,, score "?!
that's not true, if knights would have a SQD of cloned Pacerrs, they would never losse a base
Same Loony or HKBlue for rooks,
that guy HKBlue is a realy pain in the arse, 'last man standing ,busting bish attacks, you vulch him, is upping again and again, until breaks trough the vulchers nest, in his ninja huricaneC, makes it to town and kills the goon or last trooper,
i think you take this "enemy " in cyberspace cartoon game too serious , and forget to appreciate great adversaries that make the game more chalenging and fun
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nvm
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Originally posted by ghi
i totaly disagree with you, i know Pacerr for 5-6 years in game, i know he sends anoying PMs and sometimes takes the game too serious
but...imop,talking from toolsheder point of view,Pacerr is the best, most eficient agressive base defender for knights,
This guy busted 1000s,of attacks and missions,killing the C47,M3 or the last floating trooper over town,in last moment, he knows the maps,and the tactic side of the game
i think you take this "enemy " in cyberspace cartoon game too serious , and forget to appreciate great adversaries that make the game more chalenging and fun
Ghi -
I was only making an example of styles of gameplay that I've seen, and the most prominent players who seem to employ them. All in the spirit of the conversation of this thread.
Also, in spite of this being just a "game", which none of us should take too seriously, remember that there are real personalities, egos and people behind and animating those cartoon airplanes. And they socially interact just as effectively, impart their personality, and impact others experience just as significantly as in reality. The only important difference between the real world and this 'virtual' game is, we can't reach over and smack them if they disrespect, insult or annoy someone.
Finally, I think you missed one very important point I previously made which is, everyone's perception is different due to the personal experience with said individual, whomever that might be. I used Paccer only as a commonly accepted (based on consensus of opinions from the community I hear) practitioner of the negative gameplay I described. My purpose was not to trash him, per se.
You've been in the game longer than me and maybe have had more contact with Paccer than I have, and it seems, had better experiences. I state only what I've seen (as objectively as possible) in my 2 years and it is the result of "my" experience with him. This includes playing with him on his side from time to time, and purposely watching what he does and how he does it.
As an opponent, I have seen him give spirited base defence - twice that I can remember, so he is capable. But, it's more an extreme exception than a rule, IN MY EXPERIENCE. You have seen a totally different side, and I'm not going to say you're wrong, just that he has not show the same side to me, or others.
Also, while not conclusive of course (merely indicitive), I have never heard anyone else voice your perception of Paccer while in the game, but have heard dozens who believe to some degree in mine. This is purely anecdotal evidence, but for my money, where there is significant smoke, there is likely to be some fire, and from what I've heard (whether right or wrong)this seems to be the prevailing reputation of Paccer as far as his gameplay is concerned.
He's skilled and deadly in his uber rides, and is probably a wonderful guy. For my taste and in my experience, he more often goes to the other extreme in gameplay, which I don't respect much. He just has his priorities screwed up, based on MY value system, all of which is really only important to me.
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this would just send pacerr into the moon's orbit.
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2389 thats my rank, man do i suck, I should just quit, nah screw that, this is by far the greatist game ever made, and some day i might be able to break into the 100 ranks:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ink
2389 thats my rank, man do i suck, I should just quit, nah screw that, this is by far the greatist game ever made, and some day i might be able to break into the 100 ranks:rolleyes:
We're talking Fighter rank only..Not overall rank.. You have a 700 sumfin' fighter rank. ;)
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
We're talking Fighter rank only..Not overall rank.. You have a 700 sumfin' fighter rank. ;)
Zazen
cant you smell it:D
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I had a quest for this current tour, fly EWA & MWA rides in the LWA and avg. a 2 K/D. I've met it, and next Tour will try to challenge myself further. I haven't even looked at my rank. Only thing I glance at is my K/D.
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It would be kinda cool if they had thresholds so when you landed the color of the text would be different than the yellow standard. Maybe at 20 kills it was blue, at 30 red, etc.
Of course this would only be for fighters not GVs :P
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i totaly disagree with you, i know Pacerr for 5-6 years in game, i know he sends anoying PMs and sometimes takes the game too serious
but...imop,talking from toolsheder point of view,Pacerr is the best, most eficient agressive base defender for knights,
This guy busted 1000s,of attacks and missions,killing the C47,M3 or the last floating trooper over town,in last moment, he knows the maps,and the tactic side of the game
i vulched him many many times, but he breaks through the CAP and defend the base,
You call him "safety,BZ,,runs,, score "?!
that's not true, if knights would have a SQD of cloned Pacerrs, they would never losse a base
Same Loony or HKBlue for rooks,
that guy HKBlue is a realy pain in the arse, 'last man standing ,busting bish attacks, you vulch him, is upping again and again, until breaks trough the vulchers nest, in his ninja huricaneC, makes it to town and kills the goon or last trooper,
i think you take this "enemy " in cyberspace cartoon game too serious , and forget to appreciate great adversaries that make the game more chalenging and fun
Well, that was nice thing to say Ghi :salute
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Rank is meaningless but wouldn't it be nice if HT would post the number of kills since your last death when you land.
Would you try harder to defeat someone with a 25 kill streak? Would squads and attack teams organize to defend someone with a record? I think it would make the game more fun for me and be more of an encouragement to work with a squad.
This is as close to an AH hero as we get.
Enemy icons should change color in relation to how many scalps they have on board :aok
Essentialy it would be saying, "hey look at me I'm piktard needing love" :devil