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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SEraider on May 23, 2007, 04:46:49 PM
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For crying out loud!
Can we bring back the large maps again???!!!
Why can't HT just close the green and purple arenas for 1 week while Blue and Orange cycles the large maps?????
Small maps are getting old!
Trust me guys when I say a lot in my squad and others on country channel wish this.
SEraider
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While I basically support the cry for large maps, why in the world should HT close EW & MW arenas????
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I would love to see the large maps again. :aok
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Big Maps!, Big Maps!, Big Maps!
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Need new maps with more realism to reflect true war era..
What about the Pacific action.. I am personnally tired of the European campaign..
Time for a change... Lets gets some new maps in rotation...
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Originally posted by Lusche
While I basically support the cry for large maps, why in the world should HT close EW & MW arenas????
Because when there IS a fight only 2 countries can get to it. Many times I've gone in there and the front was on the far rook/bish border, nobody alive anywhere near knit land. Of the 5 folks online, only 2 were fighting in their private stats-recorded-dueling-arena, and the others were AFK or porking undefended bases or taking undefended bases.
I'm as much a fan of MWA as the next guy, but it's ridiculous what they've degenerated into. Back when there were 50+ folks in there at all times (when the arenas were first split) it was much better. Now it's worse than the AvA.
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...add drop tank, seek and destroy. :aok It's quite fun.
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...for the love of everything decent,...please....more maps!
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Im in favor for big maps as well. The same 6 or so small maps do get very boring after a while but there are some stuff you can do to liven things up a bit in the arena. Try flying a different plane, different style of flying, switch country's once and a while, check out the AvA, Participate in the snapshots Scenarios FSO the Racing league KOTH etc. If you cant fix the problem find other ways to deal with the problem. All in all though HTC has it set up so that if the Players want new maps then the players are to make and submit maps. Now obviously making maps is extremely hard and the program for non computer people extremely hard to use. But you can still come up with map ideas and post them in the Terrain Editor forum to help the people who do make maps get ideas. But this is just my view on things.
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Oh, wait, this is whine about maps. nm.
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bring back FT:(
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Lets bring back the big maps so there's plenty of places to milkrun and never have to worry about confronting a human opponet.
:noid
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I think the milkrunners have found a their "niche" with the EW and MW.
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Originally posted by SEraider
For crying out loud!
Can we bring back the large maps again???!!!
Why can't HT just close the green and purple arenas for 1 week while Blue and Orange cycles the large maps?????
Small maps are getting old!
Trust me guys when I say a lot in my squad and others on country channel wish this.
SEraider
Blah
Both late war arenas need cap reduced for at least half. That way small maps are OK and it would fill EWA and MWA. Like it has been at the first split.
But no, whaaaaaa I want my ride, I want my LWA, I want my map, I want ENY changed, I want my BIGHORDE squad.... WHAAAA
squeakers....
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Originally posted by Lusche
While I basically support the cry for large maps, why in the world should HT close EW & MW arenas????
EW and MW are just for the socre hores,thats all their good for,milk running and perk farming.
i agree with raider.
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Originally posted by Dace
I think the milkrunners have found a their "niche" with the EW and MW.
screw the mikl runners with theyr early and mid wars, 90% of the people in the game dont care about rank,why should the 10% of people that care about rank kill the fun of the game with the EW and MW's.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
EW and MW are just for the socre hores,thats all their good for,milk running and perk farming.
i agree with raider.
That coming from one totally freakin out when I bombed him milking a strat target in MW....:rofl
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
screw the mikl runners with theyr early and mid wars, 90% of the people in the game dont care about rank,why should the 10% of people that care about rank kill the fun of the game with the EW and MW's.
Pot Kettle black syndrome.....wasn't you one for frequenting these arena when you tried for rank.:rofl
I see no reason to close them but I would relish the opportunity to use one of our older larger maps. I suppose since the terrain update that's not possible.:(
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Some of you are questioning why I think we should close the EW and MW.
Really its a numbers game. Lets say that on a busy night there are a total of 100 players in EW and MW; those numbers are better served in the 2 LW arenas spread out.
The argument AGAINST large maps is there is not enough players to go around to make the large maps successful. I don't agree with that assessment anymore.
You used to be able to have a decent night with 350 members on a large map. With membership where it is at now, you can fit 2 LW arenas with 350 members each by closing EW and MW down.
This is why we should close down EW and MW and THEN, the large maps would work on a 1 week rotating cycle from small to large maps.
If some of you call in WHAAAAA---whining, so be it.
We need more variety.:aok
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Originally posted by SEraider
Some of you are questioning why I think we should close the EW and MW.
Really its a numbers game. Lets say that on a busy night there are a total of 100 players in EW and MW; those numbers are better served in the 2 LW arenas spread out.
You basically mean that 100 players should stop flying in an arena you don't like and forced into an arena you personally prefer? Some people enjoy fighting at a different pace there. Yes, fighting actually occurs there, albeit rare and under markedly different circumstances than in LW arenas...
Why not just leave EW & MW up and just get large maps? I see rarely more than 10% of LW population numbers in EW & MW, so their attendance or absence in LW shouldn't make much difference.
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Been silent about this, but I'd love to see trinity, ozkansas, or festerma up. What about at least trying a "big map weekend" to see how it goes. Load em up in orange and blue Friday, and switch back to small maps on Monday.
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QUOTE]You basically mean that 100 players should stop flying in an arena you don't like and forced into an arena you personally prefer? Some people enjoy fighting at a different pace there. Yes, fighting actually occurs there, albeit rare and under markedly different circumstances than in LW arenas...[/QUOTE]
I am not saying that I do not like the EW and MW. I happen to like it.
I am saying that it is not feasible to have say 13 people in a EW for a large map when those 13 could boost (slightly) the LW areas. It is lame for 13 guys in EW when a large map should have plenty of people on.[PHP]
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I vote that we revert to one map per arena. One can be European based and the other Pacific based. Let's keep only these maps for years and years so that the new guys can know what Air Warrior was like and so the old guys can remember how lucky they have it when #3 magically appears one Christmas :aok
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Originally posted by Murdr
Been silent about this, but I'd love to see trinity, ozkansas, or festerma up. What about at least trying a "big map weekend" to see how it goes. Load em up in orange and blue Friday, and switch back to small maps on Monday.
In the absence of a full on return of the big maps this idea is also a good one. Now you could have 3 days of fun per week instead of 7 days of "WTF, eh? This map again?"
Closing down EW and MW would really serve no purpose. Sure the numbers are small but so are the numbers in AvA. Let them have their fun.
:)
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Not trying to be rude but has HTC ever said why we cant have the Big Maps? With the numbers up and all around 400+ in one arena on the weekends thats no more then when we had 1 arena on say a weeknight Monday or Tuesday around 5PM eastern way back when :/
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Im all for new maps. I dont need big maps cause I hate milkrunners, but I would be very happy to see some maps with terrain where the fights are. Most maps that have mountains or hills in them seem to position the mountains so they are only an obstacle to/from the fight. Rarely does the fight actually happen in mountains. I would think bases in mountains would be a great way to accomplish this. Or perhaps some realistic pacific islands...
I like the canyons on SMPizza, but they lack variation.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Been silent about this, but I'd love to see trinity, ozkansas, or festerma up. What about at least trying a "big map weekend" to see how it goes. Load em up in orange and blue Friday, and switch back to small maps on Monday.
:aok
Even a compromise, LW orange running small map and LWblue running large map.
Newer subscribers would be amazed to see what they missed.
Would be a good survey to see where player preferences are.
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I think EW & MW should be combined, either limiting the MW plane set (Several of these are quite popular in the LW arenas anyway) or perking more of the MW planes. Then EW and MW should only have small maps.
As to the LWA's run one with big maps in rotation and one with small maps in rotation with a 2-3 to one arena cap on the big map arena vs the small map arena.
That said, while it seems like the small maps are overcrowded on the weekends, I was in SmPizza for quite a while tonight and most of that map was a ghost town. That being the case the land grabbers and milk-runners should have been going wild but they weren't. All the action was packed into a few small areas.
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doesn't have to be big maps, just something different. at this point i'd even take that POS map where the towns are half a sector away from the base and I absolutely hate that map. But because it is a change of the current maps that we have, it would be a sight for sore eyes.
I know there was talk about Fester making a new map, so at least someone is trying to do something about it. If I had the time to figure out how to make the maps, I'd do my best, but I don't.
I know HTC has a lot of crap going on right now, but how hard would it be to update some of the older maps just to give us that different look. Hell, even making a map reset maybe every 2 days would help as well. I know some of the maps are real bad, because its like they never go away and you are stuck with them for a week at a time.
But what is really bad is having the EXACT same map in both LW arenas. That doesn't even allow those who don't like the map in Blue to go to Orange. I've seen the same map in EW, and both LW arenas at the same time. (One of the arenas had just got reset)
Don't really have to be new, just something different. At least IMO.
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Originally posted by SEraider
I am saying that it is not feasible to have say 13 people in a EW for a large map when those 13 could boost (slightly) the LW areas. It is lame for 13 guys in EW when a large map should have plenty of people on.[PHP] [/B]
13 more people would be hardly a boost someone to notice, so IMHO no reson to force them into LW. ;)
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Big 3 day weekend coming up, I think putting the three big maps mentioned back in rotation for bothe LW arenas for the weekend would be a good test. Lots of people around to fill out the maps, go way to test milk running in a big map, check to see how a smaller player base per map would play out.
Come on HT give it a go !!!!
where that darn "bribe" link when ya need it !!!!:cry
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bring back large maps and wednesday resets pls....
Woot 100th post:D
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To all the people asking for big maps............
Have you been on during off-peak hours? I have, and theres not much to do on even a small map. IMO- HTC doesnt want big maps in rotation because off-peak hour attendance will not suport a big map with 4-5 other arenas open.
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ATOON
That is why I want the EW and MW arenas closed so this is more feasible.
So whats the difference if there is not much going on in a small map v large map on off peak hours??:O
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Originally posted by Atoon
To all the people asking for big maps............
Have you been on during off-peak hours? I have, and theres not much to do on even a small map. IMO- HTC doesnt want big maps in rotation because off-peak hour attendance will not suport a big map with 4-5 other arenas open.
I don't think closing the EW or the MW is going to do anything for off peak hours, heck not even much for ON peak at that. However, this weekend is a long one in the US, so a lot of people should be on and I think would be able to fill out a big map. Come Tuesday I think they would have to switch back to the small maps for the week.
Weekends are made for big maps !!! :D
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Atoons got a point it can get pretty slow late at night and earlier morning..
buttttt i still would like to see wednesday resets come back that way we dont have these stale maps that stay up for months
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From what I heard, the maps don't stay up forever, but rotate on a pretty regular schedual. I've heard they pretty much run through daily. I don't get to fly much during the week, but I've been on for a couple of reset this month, what are the odds?
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a majority of them do but IMO if they get stuck after a week or so they seem to stay around for along time
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Originally posted by JimBeam
Atoons got a point it can get pretty slow late at night and earlier morning..
buttttt i still would like to see wednesday resets come back that way we dont have these stale maps that stay up for months
There are 2 alternatives as pointed our by others on this board:
1) EW, MW, and Orange arena always carries small maps. Blue arena always carries the large maps. Downside is that most members will try to get into Blue arena how I see it.
2) Small maps during the week - - Large maps during Friday Saturday and Sunday. Instead of wenesday reset, do it Monday instead. I think this idea is doable.
What do you all think?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by LYNX
Pot Kettle black syndrome.....wasn't you one for frequenting these arena when you tried for rank.:rofl
I see no reason to close them but I would relish the opportunity to use one of our older larger maps. I suppose since the terrain update that's not possible.:(
yes i DID score hore,i dont anymore(im bish :D ),for 1month i mad #2 over all and #2 in GV's that month was the most borning one i have ever had.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
yes i DID score hore,i dont anymore(im bish :D ),for 1month i mad #2 over all and #2 in GV's that month was the most borning one i have ever had.
Cough Cough After Husky stopped and let you have number 2 Cough Cough
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Originally posted by Husky01
Cough Cough After Husky stopped and let you have number 2 Cough Cough
true i had you in gv's..BP was teaching me all the goodies that he and jmfj only know :)
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
true i had you in gv's..BP was teaching me all the goodies that he and jmfj only know :)
Nope I was ahead of you in GVs with out being BPs Biotch :)
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Skuzzy, Any chance we can get these large maps for this weekend?
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Originally posted by Husky01
Not trying to be rude but has HTC ever said why we cant have the Big Maps? With the numbers up and all around 400+ in one arena on the weekends thats no more then when we had 1 arena on say a weeknight Monday or Tuesday around 5PM eastern way back when :/
MA was split because of "overpopulation" and due to the effects overpopulaton had.
however 400 people on a small map is MORE per mile than what we had on large maps with 700 players....so it doesnt really make sense
while im all YAY for large maps, offpeak just cant support them.
Originally posted by BaldEagl
I think EW & MW should be combined, either limiting the MW plane set (Several of these are quite popular in the LW arenas anyway) or perking more of the MW planes. Then EW and MW should only have small maps.
As to the LWA's run one with big maps in rotation and one with small maps in rotation with a 2-3 to one arena cap on the big map arena vs the small map arena.
That said, while it seems like the small maps are overcrowded on the weekends, I was in SmPizza for quite a while tonight and most of that map was a ghost town. That being the case the land grabbers and milk-runners should have been going wild but they weren't. All the action was packed into a few small areas.
would make more sense, 1933-1942 arena, and 2x 1942-1945 arenas.
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Originally posted by Anyone
MA was split because of "overpopulation" and due to the effects overpopulaton had.
however 400 people on a small map is MORE per mile than what we had on large maps with 700 players....so it doesnt really make sense
while im all YAY for large maps, offpeak just cant support them.
would make more sense, 1933-1942 arena, and 2x 1942-1945 arenas.
Off peek on the weekeneds is like 300 people total thats plenty for larger maps why not try it this weekend its a long us weekend so numbers will be up.
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Originally posted by Husky01
Off peek on the weekeneds is like 300 people total thats plenty for larger maps why not try it this weekend its a long us weekend so numbers will be up.
"offpeak" generally 9-5 UK time has a max of 160ish players.
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Not on the weekends
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Originally posted by Husky01
Not on the weekends
the game is a 24/7 game, and HTC cant make a change that makes it better for 2 days but worse for 5 other days....it wouldnt make business sense.
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Once your done with the large maps on the weekends then make kinda of a weekly Monday reset like the old Wednesday reset on Saturaday morning US time this would also help with the boring stall maps that never get reset. There are ussually 150 in both LW arenas and another 50 in the EW MW TA and DA on the weekends off time thats right around a 350 total average thats plenty to populate a old MA map. Your forgetting during off peek hours with the 1 arena there where only like 200 players in the arena at the max during these hours.
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Originally posted by Anyone
MA was split because of "overpopulation" and due to the effects overpopulaton had.
however 400 people on a small map is MORE per mile than what we had on large maps with 700 players....so it doesnt really make sense
while im all YAY for large maps, offpeak just cant support them.
Look, if offpeak cannot support it like you are stating, then we could do what Skuzzy and HT did before the conversion of the 4 areas: For offpeak hours just close off bases to milk runners and just keep a handful of bases open for capture. When the arena gets to 200 or more players, then the map automatically opens up all bases for capture.
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1 more thing regarding offpeak, there were times where there were 125 players during offpeak and we ran the large maps just fine.
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it is geting to be a bit much same stuped maps,the same map is in 3 of the 4 rooms,it would be alteast nice to see 4 different maps in each room,that may be to much to ask for thow.
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I just got off the phone with skuzzy and basically he told me that the larger maps need to get some rework done but it is a matter of sitting down with the boss and getting it approved.
He also said there were problems with milkrunners and that it was a detriment to the whole AH community.
I'll call him again in a couple of weeks to see if there is progress made.
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Originally posted by SEraider
He also said there were problems with milkrunners and that it was a detriment to the whole AH community.
The arena split was the best whatever could have happened to the milkrunning community. Can't get worse.
If you just put together the 2 MA' and reintroduce the large maps, the milkrunners will stay in EW & MW. So I don't see the problem. But that's just me...
A milkrunner ;)
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Originally posted by Anyone
the game is a 24/7 game, and HTC cant make a change that makes it better for 2 days but worse for 5 other days....it wouldnt make business sense.
Have you not ever been to a restraunt that had dining areas that were closed off during off peak business times, but opened those area's up during their busiest hours? Same difference.
All my suggestion was is to "try" the weekend idea. Large maps full time won't work because they are too large for normal off peak hours. A large map in just one LW would be a problem because everyone would be lined up to get into that one arena. Still there are times that justify usage of large maps, and there are constant complaints about stale maps...so, it's just a thought.
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sadly it's a matter of kick and scream all we like, we're heard but not listened too.
i have made THREE threads on this matter which all clearly highlighted the communal desire for more maps.
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Originally posted by Laurie
sadly it's a matter of kick and scream all we like, we're heard but not listened too.
i have made THREE threads on this matter which all clearly highlighted the communal desire for more maps.
Funny you should say that. When I told skuzzy on the buzz on this thread, he told me that this is only 1/10th of 1% of members contribute to these threads. He even said non-paying members use a lot of these threads which leave me to wonder if they are even hearing the "communal desire."
I wonder:huh
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Originally posted by SEraider
I just got off the phone with skuzzy and basically he told me that the larger maps need to get some rework done but it is a matter of sitting down with the boss and getting it approved.
He also said there were problems with milkrunners and that it was a detriment to the whole AH community.
I'll call him again in a couple of weeks to see if there is progress made.
Like I said above there's proly no chance what with the terrain update. As for you phoning in a couple of weeks I'd wait three an half years mate :aok
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Originally posted by Husky01
Cough Cough After Husky stopped and let you have number 2 Cough Cough
is this something to be proud of goldelks?
i don't think so. but hey that's just me. i like the idea of being honorable.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Like I said above there's proly no chance what with the terrain update. As for you phoning in a couple of weeks I'd wait three an half years mate :aok
lol, then just give us some new small maps dammit!:noid
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Originally posted by SEraider
lol, then just give us some new small maps dammit!:noid
No way! Small maps are bad. They cause hordes. Those are bad too.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Pot Kettle black syndrome.....wasn't you one for frequenting these arena when you tried for rank.:rofl
I see no reason to close them but I would relish the opportunity to use one of our older larger maps. I suppose since the terrain update that's not possible.:(
I think they should combine them into one, with a map that has a large stage in the center, and LYNX could sing for us. ::rofl :aok
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BRING BK ANY OF THE LARGE MAPS BK PLZ
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All four arenas had the same map. geezzzzzz
Come on HTC, please give us a break here.
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Originally posted by yanksfan
I think they should combine them into one, with a map that has a large stage in the center, and LYNX could sing for us. ::rofl :aok
Is LYNX a good singer?
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Originally posted by SEraider
I just got off the phone with skuzzy and basically he told me that the larger maps need to get some rework done but it is a matter of sitting down with the boss and getting it approved.
He also said there were problems with milkrunners and that it was a detriment to the whole AH community.
I'll call him again in a couple of weeks to see if there is progress made.
lol not played in EW/MW and low number LW arena then... lol
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Originally posted by Anyone
lol not played in EW/MW and low number LW arena then... lol
Many of the recent changes are due to those 2 arenas.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Many of the recent changes are due to those 2 arenas.
the reply was aimed at skuzzy.... dont want maps to make it easy for milkrunners as its bad for game, yet we have 2 servers that are milkrunner arenas.
any "new" person coming into AH currently has 2 choices... get owned by vets, or capture bases/toolshed in other 2 arenas with no chance of dying.
when people learn to play the game this way its BAD, as skuzzy said, yet he is supplying 2 arenas just for that.
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You get out of this game what you put into this game.
the reply was aimed at skuzzy.... dont want maps to make it easy for milkrunners as its bad for game, yet we have 2 servers that are milkrunner arenas.
any "new" person coming into AH currently has 2 choices... get owned by vets, or capture bases/toolshed in other 2 arenas with no chance of dying.
when people learn to play the game this way its BAD, as skuzzy said, yet he is supplying 2 arenas just for that.
If this is what you believe, and are looking for then this is all your going to get.
When I started, I wanted to learn how to do a bit of everything. That is what I did. I'm not great at "any thing" by any means, but I think I'm pretty good at all of it. Sure, I've done milkrunning.... it gave me time to learn how to aim and hit what I wanted. Sure, I've been in the "deep end" with the sharks and have had my arse handed to me many a time....... it taught me SA, and how to handle a plane.
Don't assume that the game is building "milkrunners" and fodder for the "aces", we where all in that "training" setup ourselves, lets just hope that some of these new people learn to DO something, and take it to the next level. Don't blame the game, blame the "kids" that have this "I want it now" attitude.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Don't blame the game, blame the "kids" that have this "I want it now" attitude.
Amen.
- oldman
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Don't blame the game, blame the "kids" that have this "I want it now" attitude.
Amen as well. However, it's not just the kids...
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Originally posted by Stang
Amen as well. However, it's not just the kids...
This is what I don't get (besides playing the game, :)), if milkrunning is bad then why does 1/2 of the players have the itch to milkrun from time to time.
I have been in a furball mood for a while, but I also like to do a little milkrunning from time to time.
So if milkrunning is bad, then eliminate rank as Shawk said before. But then again we have the EW and MW?????
I don't get it.
I know this, there is a lot of dis-harmony from the multi-arena stuff. Put the large maps back in!
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All this noise yet no-one seems to hear us.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Don't blame the game, blame the "kids" that have this "I want it now" attitude.
Aren't your genration the one that has brought up and infulenced the development of these children via parenting,grandparenting, example setting and politically influencing them into what they are today?
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Originally posted by Laurie
Aren't your genration the one that has brought up and infulenced the development of these children via parenting,grandparenting, example setting and politically influencing them into what they are today?
I think we're using "kids" in a developmental, rather than age, sense. "Instant gratification types" would have worked, too.
- oldman
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hey sorry for the hijack but oldman tell oldboy i had a fun time dueling him in me jug :)
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Originally posted by Anyone
the reply was aimed at skuzzy.... dont want maps to make it easy for milkrunners as its bad for game, yet we have 2 servers that are milkrunner arenas.
any "new" person coming into AH currently has 2 choices... get owned by vets, or capture bases/toolshed in other 2 arenas with no chance of dying.
when people learn to play the game this way its BAD, as skuzzy said, yet he is supplying 2 arenas just for that.
Aiming at Skuzzy is futile. Skuzzy is not the decision maker at HTC. Besides...he has been supplied with Kevlar undies for occassions such as this.:)
As for new people getting owned by the "vets"....that is part of the game. You get better by competing against better opponents. I have to agree with the responses you got from others...it's all about the McDonald's Generation. They want everything NOW.
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The maps rarely get reset now days anyway. Just about every map is a stalemate between Bish and Rooks for days on end. The only ones that ever seem to get reset by winning are the small maps with lots of V bases.
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Originally posted by Anyone
any "new" person coming into AH currently has 2 choices... get owned by vets, or capture bases/toolshed in other 2 arenas with no chance of dying.
when people learn to play the game this way its BAD, as skuzzy said, yet he is supplying 2 arenas just for that.
Somehow you miss the point. If you are new you cannot come into this game, grab some plane, takeoff and expect not to die. It is not an arcade game. It is not Laura Croft Tomb Raider where if you just up X number of times you are gonna get to the next level. It doesn't work that way. You're not jumping into some race car where you turn the wheel left or right and stomp on gas and brakes and everything works.
Unfortunately, I've found alot of people actually think they can do it without help. When they finally figure out 'NOT!" they tend to gravitate toward easier game play in AH2. You might relate it to some noob usnig a mouse. Yes, you can take off and fly around using a mouse. But, be competitive in the air combat environment? NOT! But, you can get by in a bomber or a tank.
The real question you need to ask yourself is this...How many people do you see that have come into this game, watch all these aerial dogfights going on, and really say to themselves..."this is a pretty cool game! I can't wait to be a bomber pilot! Where do I begin?" or "Yep! The ole Top Gun movie sure is cool and all that fancy pilot stuff is great but I just wanna drive a tank"
Don't get me wrong there are actually a few people in this game that really do want to drive a tank over anything else. That's fine. But the majority of those who would be fighter pilots gave up because they were AFRAID TO ASK FOR HELP.
The learning curve is steep but there sure are alot of fairly good sticks up there shooting each other down. I guess that means they learned over the years. It also means you can to if you really want to.
Or, you can milkrun an unarmed field if that's what floats your boat. It doesn't bother me or 90% of the folks up flying in the least. I'll know I'll be up there...shooting at some dude in his spudfire.
Did you know that every AH2 fighter pilot can also bomb and drive a tank and just about do it all, including all that hot dogfighting in the air?
Ren
The Damned
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Originally posted by evenhaim
hey sorry for the hijack but oldman tell oldboy i had a fun time dueling him in me jug :)
Done. He concurs; I'm sure you two will be meeting again.
- oldman
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PLEASE CHANGE THE MAPS.
Thank You
:cry :cry :cry
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hmm there was a post a few weeks back about the kill stats per country, and zazen quoted the last few years of AH stats and showed the tends that stay the exact same since almost day 1 (knits last, bish 2nd, rooks 1st)... anyway in the quotes was the talk of the first year of AH1 beta test and going into final within that year.
and it said something along the lines of "After 1000s of resets on MAisles these are the results".
ie the island map was the only map back then, and seems to be the only map today too.... ah we've come full circle :(
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Skuzzy is not the decision maker at HTC.
i havent seen or heard much from anyone but pyro nd skuzzy, where is HT? trying to avoid the constant communal outcry for them to just realease some of the maps they already have sitting in a folder?
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Originally posted by Laurie
i havent seen or heard much from anyone but pyro nd skuzzy, where is HT? trying to avoid the constant communal outcry for them to just realease some of the maps they already have sitting in a folder?
Right, HT just sits around the office and says "What map can I rathole today just to annoy my customers?". Stop and think about it. If they had the maps ready, what logical reason would they have for sitting on them? If they had the resources, why wouldn't they be cranking out new maps? Do you seriously think they enjoy reading map whines?
Fortunately for HTC, the "constant communal outcry" you speak of is more like the same group of whiners constantly complaining.
If the people complaining about maps spent half that time learning to use the map editor, there might be more new maps.
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Originally posted by Laurie
i havent seen or heard much from anyone but pyro nd skuzzy, where is HT? trying to avoid the constant communal outcry for them to just realease some of the maps they already have sitting in a folder?
Yea, its not like he has a buisness to run, a whole new game system to code, and pleanty of decisions to make. Geez.
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I've noticed that the AvA arena has very large maps, yet very few players. Still, the fight really usually ends up between two bases in the vast AvA universe.
Any reason why we can't use some of those maps in the MA? You'd have to manipulate the countries a little bit, but that should be fairly easy I'd think.
Just an idea.
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Fortunately for HTC, the "constant communal outcry" you speak of is more like the same group of whiners constantly complaining.
Is there a way we can stage a sit-in at HT headquarters?????
Our chant "HELL NO WE WON'T GO, HELL NO WE WONT GO" :O
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Originally posted by SEraider
Fortunately for HTC, the "constant communal outcry" you speak of is more like the same group of whiners constantly complaining.
Is there a way we can stage a sit-in at HT headquarters?????
Our chant "HELL NO WE WON'T GO, HELL NO WE WONT GO" :O
Sorry, i meant to quote Nobaddy on the top phrase:furious
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Why would they pay anyone to make new maps, or revise old ones? When was the last staff map released? How many player maps have been released since then? Why buy the cow when the milk is free? If the milk stops flowing- letem drink water, when they get tired of water, someone will milk the cow again...........
Clearly we have been shown that new maps is not a priority HTC is currently considering for AH2. Personally I like to think they have abunch of new maps they have been working on for years, and they will be released with COD in........................... 2 weeks:furious
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These maps are played out, to some of us that have been here since the days of the Big maps. These maps need changed and i'm not saying reset for another played out map. Put new never seen maps in the rotation, for god's sake we all pay our money each month and some of us have paid up a year in advance, With hope that the development team can make many different maps for our enjoyment. God, players are building great MA maps, they are not on the payroll, this is what kills me they build em for free what more could you ask for??? Put some into the rotation. Give the maps a chance.
Seeing that after many months of these same boring maps, i'm not getting what I paid for. I have read alot of threads where guys have built operational maps that work fine for MA. I call HTC and I get told, well if these were put into rotation there would be alot of bugs to be worked out. Well what better way to find bugs in MA maps then to put them into the rotation and let the masses find and report them so they can be fixed.
I'm sure if AH would listen to the masses instead of reading and then walking away with the mind set of "Oh well they are going to pay no matter whats in the arenas" things would be on track, maps would be different and people like myself will stop complaining. Sometimes I get tired of being nice and asking politly, dang get some new maps already. It gets really old having to be another person bit*hing about how these maps suck and are played out. Time for someone to step up and get the ball rolling with new maps each month.:furious :furious :furious
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When I started flying on AH, we had big maps and we had small maps. Even back then the small maps sucked eggs. They should have been sent to File 13. It was a sad day when the only good maps we had were taken away.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
Somehow you miss the point. If you are new you cannot come into this game, grab some plane, takeoff and expect not to die. It is not an arcade game. It is not Laura Croft Tomb Raider where if you just up X number of times you are gonna get to the next level. It doesn't work that way. You're not jumping into some race car where you turn the wheel left or right and stomp on gas and brakes and everything works.
Not to rag on you or anything but you've obviously never played a real racing game, one where there's HP to spare and you can let the back wheels lose at almost any time. One where using brakes and throttle in harmony to maintain critical balance through a turn is paramount. One where patience and timing are required to work your way safely through traffic.
It's not as easy as turn left and right, hit the gas and brakes and everything's good. It takes a lot of practice to manage 350-850 HP and go fast without spinning or wrecking.
Granted the learning curve may not be as steep as AH, but it's still not easy mode, especially when it comes to car set-up (spring rates, shock rates, sway bar stiffnesses, tire pressures, caster, camber, tow, front and rear downforce, gear ratios, differential ratio, steering ratios, cross weights, etc, etc, etc.)
Racing is my second favorite thing behind AH (as far as games go) and, like I said, shaving 0.1 second off your lap time on an oval to run competatively isn't all that easy. Learning the braking points, passing points and remaining consistant lap after lap without mistakes on road courses, my ultimate favorites, is even harder.
BTW, You think this game is frustrating? I was running a shortend version of the 24 hours of LeMans one day. Usually 3 drivers share duties and I wanted to run 50% of race length so I was in for a four hour run. I started in ~25th position and after 3 hours I was running 10th when I went in to pit. I was almost out of fuel, missed my pit-stall and knowing I couldn't get around the track again I tried to back up to my pit and got disqualified!
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To make you map guys happy, HTC would literally have to churn out a new map every two weeks. After that a map would be "old," and since regurgitated real estate is unwanted, you'd cry foul again, no matter how many new ones were produced.
It's not about the real estate, it's about the fight.
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well when AH show's 17 MA maps on the download page and you come to find only 6 are in rotation thats a bit sad. put em all in rotation mix it up a bit. I mean isn't that what were looking for some new dirt to crash into?
LWMA, at any givin time the same maps are in both arenas. About the maps flipping almost everyday, no, it doesnt happen I know for a fact on this. After being disabled the only thing that cured my bordom was this game and I had spent alot of time playing, so i have seen when they flipped and how often.
It would just be nice to be able to know that something different to explore and kill capture and bomb is there. There is a cure for this and we all know what it is, Maps.
players already built them took the time to tweek and fix them with hopes that one day everyone could play on them. But I really don't think we'll see that day.:( :( :(
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I miss ozkansas and festerMA.
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The maps we have now are okay, I think much of the grumbling is due to the lack of variety and frequency in which the same maps are present. Adding more maps to the rotation would solve some of this. Also setting it up so the MA's dont have the same map at the same time would help.
Ive heard, but unsure if its true that HT expects us the paying customer to provide the new maps. If such is true, perhaps HT needs a refresher in business-customer relationships. Encouraging players to submit maps is a great avenue for new maps, but to expect it seems just plain lazy.
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I would be even happy to see Mindanao back in the rotation - which is after all a small map... :noid
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Here are my thoughts.
Why is Mindanao in the rotation? Its a small map correct? HTC said we can only have small maps.
HTC has said that bigger maps would bring to much base taking and tool shedding, but yet they gave us two arenas for milkers.
The 6 maps arnt just boring anymore its sad. Its sad to know that we have 17 great maps made by people that are collecting dust and yet we are stuck with the 6 same maps that never rotate, have all the same fights every time, have all the same terrain, have 1 base on each front where the fights at, and the same outcome on each map.
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Amazing timing :)
This thread gets resurrected when there are 3 different maps in the 4 arenas.
And there is one new small map on the download page from HTC Staff. I would think it will eventually go into the rotation.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Not to rag on you or anything but you've obviously never played a real racing game, one where there's HP to spare and you can let the back wheels lose at almost any time. One where using brakes and throttle in harmony to maintain critical balance through a turn is paramount. One where patience and timing are required to work your way safely through traffic.
It's not as easy as turn left and right, hit the gas and brakes and everything's good. It takes a lot of practice to manage 350-850 HP and go fast without spinning or wrecking.
Granted the learning curve may not be as steep as AH, but it's still not easy mode, especially when it comes to car set-up (spring rates, shock rates, sway bar stiffnesses, tire pressures, caster, camber, tow, front and rear downforce, gear ratios, differential ratio, steering ratios, cross weights, etc, etc, etc.)
Racing is my second favorite thing behind AH (as far as games go) and, like I said, shaving 0.1 second off your lap time on an oval to run competatively isn't all that easy. Learning the braking points, passing points and remaining consistant lap after lap without mistakes on road courses, my ultimate favorites, is even harder.
BTW, You think this game is frustrating? I was running a shortend version of the 24 hours of LeMans one day. Usually 3 drivers share duties and I wanted to run 50% of race length so I was in for a four hour run. I started in ~25th position and after 3 hours I was running 10th when I went in to pit. I was almost out of fuel, missed my pit-stall and knowing I couldn't get around the track again I tried to back up to my pit and got disqualified!
I beg to differ, a buddy brought over Nascar 2005. I had won the whole kit and kiboodle after never playing it beforehand. He loaned it to me, to show me "how tough of a game it was". I hardly hit the brakes, and got to the point whereabouts on the first lap I knew where to lift the accelerator. It was TOO easy. 99-01 F1 Challenge is different. That game still gives me fits because of the driving model. I also tear up Gran Turismo.
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i did my own survey, and my numbers are quite different. 85% of people who play this game would have a major outcry if large maps where brought back. 50% of these 85% thought that if bringing big maps back, with some restriction as to capturable bases, would persaude them to support the idea. The population of AH, in case anyone is curious, is 20% pure furballers, 20% pure strat, and the remaining 60% do both. Futher numbers determine that 80% of the population actually enjoy shootint at other vehicles, as dropping bombs is real easy. By looking at the numbers, we determine there is no outcry or crisis.
to the BBS numbers. Let's take that 1% number. Of that 1% number, 75% of the people seem to be realatively rational, considering we are posting on the BB at all.
of the remaining 25% of the 1%---5% trollers, 5% my way or highway, 5% seeking some kinda of wierd BB glorification (the see, i told you so) type, wether it be true of not. To continue... 5% spreading rumor as fact, 1% unable to forumulate a remark that makes any sense, 1% conspiracy freaks, 1% doomsday sayers.......0.5% claim they will quit if nothing done to make it their way (regardless of how it affects others), 0.5% wanting HT to do things to fix problem, that they could help fix themselves (making maps, not being dweebs, etc, and 0.5% here to tell us how great they are.
*These numbers were taken from the same place everyone else gets there numbers...... so you know it is valid.
:rolleyes:
new maps would be nice, not my focus, don't have time to make a map nor do i think i could make a map, so i'm not going to complain about maps. As for big maps, don't know why we need them. They last for ever, spread numbers waaaay out, so you can get a big mission somewhere and the other country, mostly the lower numbered one, can not put up any numbers for defense. Closing the other arenas will not help numbers, making 1 arena defeats the purpose of the change. Though fester's map seems to be an exception.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I beg to differ, a buddy brought over Nascar 2005. I had won the whole kit and kiboodle after never playing it beforehand. He loaned it to me, to show me "how tough of a game it was". I hardly hit the brakes, and got to the point whereabouts on the first lap I knew where to lift the accelerator. It was TOO easy. 99-01 F1 Challenge is different. That game still gives me fits because of the driving model. I also tear up Gran Turismo.
NASCAR 2005 is an EA product. To put it mildly hey s***. My brother has Gran Touismo and the AI can't beat him so that's not representative either.
Papyrus did the best job, the last iteration being NASCAR Racing 2003 Season before they were shut down by Vivendi Universal. I believe copies can still be found both new and used. The community continued development of this platform producing a wealth of mods for it (GT Prototypes, Touring cars, GT2/GTS physics, Late Models, Open Wheelers, etc., etc., etc.), some better than others. This is the sim that actual NASCAR drivers use to "practice" including notables like Dale Earnhardt Jr., Carls Edwards and others.
The Papyrus code was bought by John Henry of Fenway fame who quickly brought suit against members of the sim racing community who were continuing game development. This brought new physics modeling to an end, although car model and track development continues (I have over 200 actual tracks from around the world). While Mr. Henrey had visions of producing a "pay to play" business model, not unlike AH, the community backlash seems to have squelched that plan and the last I saw they had re-platformed that code and been selling it as a pro racer training simulator.
Mr. Henry has also recently bought a 50% stake in Roush Racing (now Roush-Fenway Racing) which may or may not influence further develpment or deployment of this platform.
Many of the Papyrus faithful have moved to rFactor who actually encourage community development although I haven't tried it so can't comment as to it's modeling.
At 100% opponent strength I guarantee you won't go out and trounce the field in NASCAR RAcing 2003 without a bunch of practice (opponent strength is variable from 40-110% in 1% increments with 100% duplicating real-life track times). After years of play I still average about 97% so that I can win once in a while.
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Papyrus was a great company for making racing games, my fav would have been Indy Car Racing 2 (1994?), which i played for HOURS on end, tuning down boost so i wouldn't have to pit often. Sure i could disappear into the distance on the AI cars, but my strategy would go out the window, not to mention the risk of taking a wheel off somewhere.
I remember one race at Milwaukee or how ever its spelt, after 190 laps of 200 i started to realise my fuel wasn't going to last, so i dropped to 2-3boost and started to loose my 1/4 lap lead, i managed to lean the fuel out so i could have finished, but had a dam drive shaft failure on lap 199 (probably due to touching wall earlier in race)... SO frustrating but its part of what makes these games realistic and "fun"... Kinda like dying in AH.
Nascar 2003 again is fantastic but i prefer open wheel racing, in fact i never got a full race out of Nascar as i got bored too fast. Prefer Street/track races then ovals. and Nascar was mainly Ovals.
Grand Prix Legends by Papyrus...... WOW, now THAT game is fantastic, trying to get all the BHP through tiny rear wheels with no down-force on the 14miles of Nurburgring was great, so many days wasted ditching cars in to the trees (no crash barriers in 1967....).
I have F1 2002 which was great too, at one point i was 7th around Spa on EA's website, when cheaters started going around 30seconds faster than everyone and the listings site got taken down soon after.
Ah i miss Racing games so much, but these days PCs don't have Racing Sim's, and PS2/Xbox is just rubbish arcade games... like F1 2005, GT4 etc... all rubbish really. Hence i only play AH2, Hearts of Iron and SimCity4 lol.
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BIG MAPS!
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BIG MAPS!
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big or different maps, something :cry
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or... make it easier to create maps..
its not our "job" to create maps, but it seems that way
HTC removed loads of maps, wont make new ones... maybe soon it will just be FT, TT etc.... sigh.
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Toca Race Driver 3- great game on and offline. Online connection thru gamespy is free, and has the quality you pay for-
On topic- For COD's Sake man- For the love of COD- THROW US A FREAKIN BONE HERE! (insert pic of Dr Doom here)
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I am in favor of closing down an arena in off peak times. Simply because it will discorage the milk-runners who gravitate tword the under-populated arenas. I log on, one night to see 22 people on in the EW. "WOW!" I think, "Going to be some good fights in here tonight." Alas, as I enter the arena and look at the roster, I get a sinking feeling; 15 Knights, 5 Bishops, 3 Rooks(including me). Ten Knights are in the same squad. I won't bore you with the details of what that "squad" was doing, but you kind of get the idea of what they were up to.
Yes by all means close one of the arenas, but instead of the EW or MW arenas closing it should be one of the LW arenas. My thought on this is, if one of the LW arenas goes below [insert arbitrary number here] population it gets shut down, say a 5-10 min. timer.
"This arena does not meet the minimum population limit."
"This arena will close in X min."
You still have the other LW arena open plus EW, and MW. Nobody is inconvienienced or have to play in arena they don't like, except the people in the shutdown arena, and all they have to do is go to another arena. If the open LW arena is within say 5% (thats 95% full)of max occupancy or greater for say 2 hours, then the other LW arena opens and everything gets checked in another 2 hours.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
I am in favor of closing down an arena in off peak times.
So that American players are allowed to play there but European / Australian are not?
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Originally posted by Lusche
So that American players are allowed to play there but European / Australian are not?
Tell me Lusche, where in my post did I said that? Or is this a case of reading the first sentence and getting all indignant. If you had read the entire post you would understand where I'm coming from, and what I'm trying to convey.
You will still have the three time periods; EW, MW, and LW arenas. You can go to any one you like. I could give an {avian rodents glutius maximus(flying rats prettythang)} where you go, but if the numbers are not there to support having 2 LW arenas, then ONE has to go. That is all I'm saying, no one will deprive you of flying in a LATE WAR arena. Some times yes, there will be two LW arenas in US prime time hours. Simply because that is when a lot of players are on.
The only inconvienience you might encounter is if your in the arena that has to close down, but that is like having the arena reset. You get booted and come right back and choose another arena.
Next time READ the entire post, and think about it, before you shoot it down.
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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Next time READ the entire post, and think about it, before you shoot it down.
I DID read the entire post. Actually i DID think about it.
And actually I failed... somehow my internal translator produced a lot ot of garbage.
I bow my head in shame :o
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It is a failing of intelect. Do not loose hope.
The priests of Pwnza have a cure. We can cure you of this affliction. After this easily self applied cure, all will be forgiven.
Tell me my son, do you have a power drill and a 13mm bit?
:lol
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Map Message in here too