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Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Seagoon on May 24, 2007, 11:28:52 AM
Hi Guys,

The following is not a complaint, but rather a humble request for an explanation.   I'll admit I really don't understand some of the ENY ranks in the late war arenas. For instance:

F4F-4 has an ENY of 20(!) which is the same, not only as the much better FM2 variant of the plane, but much better late war aircraft such as the BF-109K4 & P-38L. Additionally this is the same rank as the SPIT IX. How does an MG armed fighter from 1941, barely capable of speeds above 300MPH rank with cannon armed 400 MPH+ pocket-rockets from 1944?

Other questions like why the so-slow and burns like balsa wood and rice paper Zero is ranked the same as the speedy brick outhouse P-47 D-40, why the Seafire is ranked 15 and the Spit IX is ranked 20. Why so many better variants (109s and 38s for instance) are ranked the same as their preceding variants, and so on. Not to mention the Hurri 2Cs newly found status as the equivalent of the Spit 8 with a 10! I can still remember when that plane used to be a 40 - what caused such a Meteoric rise?

Any help you can give would be appreciated.
 
- SEAGOON
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Ghastly on May 24, 2007, 11:42:38 AM
Have you ever read up on cryptography?  

In the '40's, the most common way to ceate cryptographic keys was to generate them by having a middle-aged housewife pull bingo-balls out of a wire cage.

In honor of this reminder of a bygone era, I believe HTC has resurrected this lost art, and now uses it to apply the ENY numbers to various aircraft in the various arena's.

Any other explanation invites the contemplation of madness.

Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: The Fugitive on May 24, 2007, 11:44:05 AM
this has been asked only a couple hundred times.   :D

About the only answer you will get is "its the way it is because thats the way it is" Not a great answer, but nobodies ever explained it any better. I wish you luck in your quest for a better answer.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: AWwrgwy on May 24, 2007, 12:10:18 PM
Based purely on conjecture and speculation, I would guess you take a planes relative strengths and weaknesses and rank them based on various criteria such as speed, maneuverability, ammo loads, lethality, etc.
 Average them all out and compared to other plane's values you would calculate a rank, or ENY value.

A Hurri 2 turns good, has killer cannons, and is a dweeb ride ;) therefore it gets a low number.

Get creative and try and figure each plane's pluses and minuses compared to others and try ranking them yourself.

:)


wrngway
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Lusche on May 24, 2007, 12:14:11 PM
One problem is: You can't always objectively express a planes strength as a single stat like ENY. How to weight the individual factors. Is speed more important than turning abiltity? If yes, how much?


(On a side note: I think the low ENY of HurriIIC is reasonable. If there is any "easy mode" plane, the C Hurri is)
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Gianlupo on May 24, 2007, 12:16:29 PM
Don't forget that relative MAs usage and the level of rant and complaints by players in game and BBS have a huge weight in the final result... that's why the Hurri IIC went from 40 to 10! :D

Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: jhookt on May 24, 2007, 12:23:25 PM
i dont think they base ENY entirely on speed. for instace the F4F-1 has a 6 gun package and the FM2 only has 4. so while the FM2 is faster the F4F has a higher lethality. and in all other catagories the 2 are comparable according to DokGonzo's site, which i dont know if it is still relevant but its all the info i have to go by.

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php

i think Gianlupo is partly right also in that performance is not the only deciding factor of a planes ENY, and he brings up an excellent example with the hurri.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: DarkS1ar on May 24, 2007, 12:25:22 PM
I think the la7 sould be ENY 20 :furious all the Newbie are in them hence easy to kill.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Gianlupo on May 24, 2007, 12:25:23 PM
Yep, jokes aside, I think that performance is not the only parameter to calculate ENY rating. :)
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Blooz on May 24, 2007, 12:38:29 PM
My guesses are that either the ENY factors got accidently scrambled when the different arenas appeared and they're too busy to straighten it out yet or the ENY factors are skewed for a reason.

The purpose may be to force certain planes to become unavailable as the arenas ENY penalty thing kicks in.

Why that would be I'm not sure but allowing the F4U-1 (40) and excluding the F4F4 (25) would allow an obviously more powerful plane to be available if the ENY limiter kicked in.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Squire on May 24, 2007, 12:56:56 PM
"My guesses are that either the ENY factors got accidently scrambled when the different arenas appeared"

Didn't Einstein have a formula explaining such phenomena? it escapes me just at the moment.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Gianlupo on May 24, 2007, 01:02:15 PM
Eny=MC˛

Where M is the weighted value of the plane impact on the various MAs, C is the value of rant and whinings, that is squared in the equation, being more important in determining the final Eny value.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: 1K3 on May 24, 2007, 01:09:45 PM
If i remember...

The more people use the planes such as Hurri 2c, it gets lower ENY (10)

Unpopular german rides such as the 190A-8/F-8 and 109G-6 gets higher ENY
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Squire on May 24, 2007, 01:54:56 PM
So?

A1=Eny=MC2       Enym-Enym2
_________   x     __________  = MEWq

A2=Eny=MC2          H(E)


I think that works for multiple arenas.



;)
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: hubsonfire on May 24, 2007, 01:58:27 PM
Can't use ENY as a search criteria, but IIRC, planes that saw heavy usage despite high ENY numbers were adjusted. The most popular planes typically have lower ENY, regardless of some of the past factors in determining a plane's value.

So yeah, basically it's the way it is because HT made it that way. I think initially performance, payload, range, etc were factored in, and that only more recently has use become a primary factor in determining the values.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: zorstorer on May 24, 2007, 02:13:52 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 1K3
If i remember...

The more people use the planes such as Hurri 2c, it gets lower ENY (10)

Unpopular german rides such as the 190A-8/F-8 and 109G-6 gets higher ENY


Look at the ENY for the A8 vs the F8....that ratio makes no sense :rolleyes:
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Gianlupo on May 24, 2007, 02:26:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Squire
So?

A1=Eny=MC2       Enym-Enym2
_________   x     __________  = MEWq

A2=Eny=MC2          H(E)


I think that works for multiple arenas.



;)


Yeah, that is, Squire! I chose the easy formula because I didn't want to embarass the guys, here. :D
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Seagoon on May 24, 2007, 02:31:54 PM
Ok then, what aspects of the Wildcat make it worthy of ENY 20? Against turn radius we have low speed, No WEP, slow climb, no Cannons, and a relatively light Ammo load for the 6x.50 package. Having flown both it and its ENY 20 stablemate the LA5 I can tell you the LA5 is MUCH easier to fly and get kills with.  Also, popularity can't be the key as one sees the F4F in the late war MAs rarely if at all.

Also, why are later improved variants of the same plane grouped together?

Thanks for your patience.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Lusche on May 24, 2007, 02:33:59 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Seagoon
Ok then, what aspects of the Wildcat make it worthy of ENY 20? Against turn radius we have low speed, No WEP, slow climb, no Cannons, and a relatively light Ammo load for the 6x.50 package. Having flown both it and its ENY 20 stablemate the LA5 I can tell you the LA5 is MUCH easier to fly and get kills with.  Also, popularity can't be the key as one sees the F4F in the late war MAs rarely if at all.

Also, why are later improved variants of the same plane grouped together?

Thanks for your patience.


I think Squire's post explains it all... ;)
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Gianlupo on May 24, 2007, 02:37:02 PM
I knew it! I knew it! The formulae are too complicated! :eek: :D
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Krusty on May 24, 2007, 02:38:32 PM
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Originally posted by zorstorer
Look at the ENY for the A8 vs the F8....that ratio makes no sense :rolleyes:


A8 and A5 are currently swapped. I've been pointing that out for probably a year now.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Ghastly on May 24, 2007, 03:31:01 PM
All joking aside, I believe that ideally ENY should be set by some statistical process (My first "take" on it would be to standardize the fighter vs fighter K/D ratio over several TOD's around a mean of 20 with a spread of 20, and then round up to the nearest 5).

That way, it would be solely based upon a statistical calculation, and not subject to individual interpretation.

Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: morfiend on May 24, 2007, 03:54:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Squire
So?

A1=Eny=MC2       Enym-Enym2
_________   x     __________  = Newb

A2=Eny=MC2          H(E)


I think that works for multiple arenas.



;)



  err I thought a correction was required..:rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Nilsen on May 24, 2007, 05:54:55 PM
ENY shoulld be based on the pilot.

For every completed tour the eny should drop from 40 down to 10 in all rides. There should ofcourse not then be an ENY cap determening if you can up or not or all the vets would be grounded when numbers are odd.






Yes, this is a joke, ofcourse they should be grounded. ( iwant my life back gdmnit!!
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Ghastly on May 24, 2007, 07:42:40 PM
Well.... kiss my grits!  Normalizing the Kill/Death of each fighter vs all other vehicles (as close as I can easily get to each fighter vs every other fighter with the score data on the web site) nets some pretty surprising numbers if you simply normalize and range them to get an ENY value between 5 and 40.

 

Fighter            K/D Raw Score ENY
P-40B           0.2141 -2.69 5
Spitfire Mk I   0.2403 -2.03 5
Hurricane Mk I 0.4292 2.67 5
Bf 109E-4       0.4317 2.73 5
C.202           0.5228 5.00 5
Hurricane Mk II 0.5587 5.90 5
A6M2           0.5930 6.75 5
Bf 110C-4b     0.6791 8.90 10
Spitfire Mk V   0.6909 9.19 10
F4U-1D         0.7209 9.94 10
P-40E           0.7804 11.42 10
Fw 190F-8       0.7810 11.44 10
Bf 110G-2       0.7815 11.45 10
P-38L           0.8062 12.06 10
F6F-5           0.8077 12.10 10
SeaFire         0.8251 12.54 15
P-47N           0.8399 12.90 15
P-51B           0.8415 12.94 15
F4F-4           0.8514 13.19 15
P-47-D40       0.8915 14.19 15
Mosquito Mk VI 0.9286 15.11 15
Yak-9T         0.9306 15.16 15
Spitfire Mk VII 0.9414 15.43 15
Bf 109G-6       0.9490 15.62 15
A6M5b           0.9928 16.71 15
La-5FN         1.0325 17.70 20
C.205           1.0329 17.71 20
F4U-1           1.0514 18.17 20
P-51D           1.0696 18.63 20
Yak-9U         1.0776 18.83 20
FM2             1.1015 19.42 20
Bf 109G-2       1.1108 19.65 20
Spitfire Mk XVI 1.1221 19.94 20
Spitfire Mk IX 1.1353 20.26 20
Bf 109G-14     1.1551 20.76 20
P-38G           1.2036 21.97 20
N1K2           1.2151 22.25 20
Ta 152H         1.2346 22.74 25
La-7           1.2383 22.83 25
Ki-61           1.2413 22.90 25
P-38J           1.2650 23.50 25
Bf 109F-4       1.2963 24.28 25
Spitfire Mk XIV 1.3412 25.39 25
F4U-1A         1.3470 25.54 25
Fw 190A-8       1.3709 26.13 25
Bf 109K-4       1.3989 26.83 25
P-47-D25       1.4149 27.23 25
Ki-84-Ia       1.4321 27.66 30
Fw 190D-9       1.4494 28.09 30
P-47-D11       1.4777 28.79 30
Fw 190A-5       1.5367 30.26 30
Hurricane Mk II 1.5885 31.56 30
Typhoon IB     1.5909 31.61 30
F4U-4           2.4818 53.81 40
F4U-1C         2.6424 57.81 40
Me 163B         5.3633 125.60 40
Me 262         5.9691 140.69 40
Tempest         6.8557 162.78 40



The biggest surprise for me was where the F4U-1 would fall in a purely mathematical ranking based on K/D.  I can't do anything but die in her.

Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Anyone on May 25, 2007, 06:00:22 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Gianlupo
Don't forget that relative MAs usage and the level of rant and complaints by players in game and BBS have a huge weight in the final result... that's why the Hurri IIC went from 40 to 10! :D



problem is, the Hurri IIC was a great GV killer 2-3 years ago, i often remember landing 6-8 kill sorties in the Hurri..... 20mms kiled all tanks and the bombs did too.

with 6 kills in a Hurri IIc and a 40 ENY it earned ALOT OF PERKS, plus everyone else flew it.

so it got reduced to 20ENY i think, then down to 10 like now. due to trying to stop its overuseage in the arena.


however it isnt that deadly to GV's now so i dont know why its 10 anymore.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Ghastly on May 25, 2007, 06:15:29 AM
Whoops, here's the ENY Table with the ENY in the proper direction, and with the last few characters of the aircraft name intact so that you can tell which Hurri is which....


Fighters             K/D Raw Score ENY
Tempest             6.8557 162.78 5
Me 262               5.9691 140.69 5
Me 163B             5.3633 125.60 5
F4U-1C               2.6424 57.81 5
F4U-4               2.4818 53.81 5
Typhoon IB           1.5909 31.61 15
Hurricane Mk IIC     1.5885 31.56 15
Fw 190A-5           1.5367 30.26 15
P-47-D11             1.4777 28.79 15
Fw 190D-9           1.4494 28.09 15
Ki-84-Ia             1.4321 27.66 15
P-47-D25             1.4149 27.23 20
Bf 109K-4           1.3989 26.83 20
Fw 190A-8           1.3709 26.13 20
F4U-1A               1.3470 25.54 20
Spitfire Mk XIV     1.3412 25.39 20
Bf 109F-4           1.2963 24.28 20
P-38J               1.2650 23.50 20
Ki-61               1.2413 22.90 20
La-7                 1.2383 22.83 20
Ta 152H             1.2346 22.74 20
N1K2                 1.2151 22.25 25
P-38G               1.2036 21.97 25
Bf 109G-14           1.1551 20.76 25
Spitfire Mk IX       1.1353 20.26 25
Spitfire Mk XVI     1.1221 19.94 25
Bf 109G-2           1.1108 19.65 25
FM2                 1.1015 19.42 25
Yak-9U               1.0776 18.83 25
P-51D               1.0696 18.63 25
F4U-1               1.0514 18.17 25
C.205               1.0329 17.71 25
La-5FN               1.0325 17.70 25
A6M5b               0.9928 16.71 30
Bf 109G-6           0.9490 15.62 30
Spitfire Mk VIII     0.9414 15.43 30
Yak-9T               0.9306 15.16 30
Mosquito Mk VI       0.9286 15.11 30
P-47-D40             0.8915 14.19 30
F4F-4               0.8514 13.19 30
P-51B               0.8415 12.94 30
P-47N               0.8399 12.90 30
SeaFire             0.8251 12.54 30
F6F-5               0.8077 12.10 35
P-38L               0.8062 12.06 35
Bf 110G-2           0.7815 11.45 35
Fw 190F-8           0.7810 11.44 35
P-40E               0.7804 11.42 35
F4U-1D               0.7209 9.94 35
Spitfire Mk V       0.6909 9.19 35
Bf 110C-4b           0.6791 8.90 35
A6M2                 0.5930 6.75 40
Hurricane Mk IID     0.5587 5.90 40
C.202               0.5228 5.00 40
Bf 109E-4           0.4317 2.73 40
Hurricane Mk I       0.4292 2.67 40
Spitfire Mk I       0.2403 -2.03 40
P-40B               0.2141 -2.69 40

 


Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Lusche on May 25, 2007, 06:18:52 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Anyone

however it isnt that deadly to GV's now so i dont know why its 10 anymore.


Because it's dangerous to planes as well. Turns on a dime, but has 4 hispanos. A deadly combination for furballs and in base defense. HurriIIC has one of the best K/D ratios in game
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Lusche on May 25, 2007, 06:21:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Ghastly
Whoops, here's the ENY Table with the ENY in the proper direction, and with the last few characters of the aircraft name intact so that you can tell which Hurri is which....

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LA7 has ENY 20 in that list... I don't think that this is desireable, nor is it justified in regards to that plane performance.

You see even a list compiled on K/D has it's flaws.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Ghastly on May 25, 2007, 06:55:36 AM
Yes.

In part, it's because the capabilities of the aircraft tend to be distorted by the capabilities of the players who choose it.

The LA-7 and the KI-61 both have virtually identical K/D ratios.  

(IMO)
One is because it's a popular ride for average pilots.  The other is because the people who fly it tend to be either affecianados of the aircraft, or those looking for a challenge, and either way, are on average "a cut above".  

Or in other words, it's it's the pilot and not just the plane!
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: hubsonfire on May 25, 2007, 10:27:26 AM
The glaring flaw with K/D is it is assumed that it is an indicator of relative performance, and ignores augering, vulching, being vulched, suicide missions, and various other scenarios that can greatly skew numbers.

From Max's sig- pretty fitting, IMO.
Quote
Machines are tools and a lousy craftsman with the best tools still can't build anything worth a damn.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: EagleDNY on May 25, 2007, 11:33:48 AM
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
Based purely on conjecture and speculation, I would guess you take a planes relative strengths and weaknesses and rank them based on various criteria such as speed, maneuverability, ammo loads, lethality, etc.
 Average them all out and compared to other plane's values you would calculate a rank, or ENY value.

A Hurri 2 turns good, has killer cannons, and is a dweeb ride ;) therefore it gets a low number.

Get creative and try and figure each plane's pluses and minuses compared to others and try ranking them yourself.

:)


wrngway



Opinions are like anuses - everybody has one, but they sure aren't the same.  My reading of ENY is that I am trying to find the ride I will have the most success in at every ENY level.  I've got a favorite ENY 20 ride, ENY 15 ride, etc. so I can go perk farming on the ENY 5 guys and build up some points to burn on the 262s & Tempests.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Simaril on May 25, 2007, 12:31:06 PM
ENY should NOT be based on KPD, because more capable pilots tend to gravitate toward more challenging rides. And a capable pilot in a mid range ride is FAR more dangerous than a weak pilot in a great plane.

Our ENY system has been around a long, long time. I suspect that things started with a common sense listing, based on perceived capabilities, and that things were adjusted from there by experience. So, while the FM2 started as a worse-rated plane than the F4F and many others, when enough good dogfighters began using it as a primary ride there was a big "perk farming" effect. The usage climbed, the KPD climbed, and its overall lethality increased. In reaction to that, the ENY was adjusted....and that adjustment (being based on the FM2 more than the rest of the planeset) made other ratings look a little off.

I bet rather than do a wholesale tweaking every time, HT nudges the numbers around and sees what happens.





Ghastly--

Don't be dissing my lady! :lol  The corsair family is incredibly lethal when used right, even by an average fighter jock like me. If you're interested, look me up sometime and I'll take you for a ride -- just seeing one way to use the tool will make you much more successful. (Saxman, SirLoin and several AKs -- esp AKDOgg -- are very, very good in the bird. I am but a humble paduan, making myself available if I can be of some help.)
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Ghastly on May 25, 2007, 12:34:30 PM
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The glaring flaw with K/D is it is assumed that it is an indicator of relative performance, and ignores augering, vulching, being vulched, suicide missions, and various other scenarios that can greatly skew numbers.


True - but the good thing about statistical processing is that in some ways despite their significance for any individual flight, many of the extraneous factors would be more likely to end up as "a wash" and drop out overall because it's the pilot who's responsible for then - "augering, vulching, being vulched, suicide missions", etc.  And over the entire population of AH, I'd expect that it would affect most of the aircraft "more nearly equally than not".  (Although I could be wrong of course! :D)

However, I agree with you that there are certainly glaring factors not taken into account with just K/D.  

1) The big jump in K/d between the -4 (2.48) and the Typhoon (1.59) - a result of the fact that aircraft that cost perk points are flown more carefully, or just that only more experienced pilots have the perks to fly them? Regardless, something "skews" the data - just ranging them leaves us with no "10" aircraft and the upper end is already well into the tail.

2) F4U-1A (1.35) and F4U-1D (0.72) K/d.  I doubt you can find two planes that differ less from each other through the ENTIRE flight envelope in AH, and they are at the opposite end of the spectrum for K/d.   Maybe because the F4U-1D carries lots of ord, and is more often used for ground attack?  Or is it solely that the -1D is the later war variant, and only the F4U "experts" bother with the -1A?

3) Ki-61 (1.24) and La-7 (1.24).  You'd have to look pretty hard to find two different aircraft in the plane set in terms of performance, and yet they have virtually identical K/d.  Because everyone flies and dies in LA7's and only a few experten fly the KI61 regularly?  

Dunno, except that ... it might be harder to determine fighter effectiveness purely mathamatically than I'd first estimated.

Simaril - I fly the Corsair almost exclusively - she's my favorite plane.  (And I'm really jonesing for her!  I've been without my game system for the last 2 weeks while we move, and we were on vacation before that !)  I was simply remarking that I have a real hard time in the -1, much harder than seems reasonable - to me - given that I do quite well in the -1A.   But if I ever get back in the air, I'd love to wing with you all sometime.

Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Lusche on May 25, 2007, 12:56:44 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ghastly

2) F4U-1A (1.35) and F4U-1D (0.72) K/d.  I doubt you can find two planes that differ less from each other through the ENTIRE flight envelope in AH, and they are at the opposite end of the spectrum for K/d.   Maybe because the F4U-1D carries lots of ord, and is more often used for ground attack?  


Yep, I think thats absolutely the explanation in this case.

As the F4U-Ds are being used more for ground-pounding than the -1A, they are much more likely to die in field ack, auger in the hand of divebombing noobs or being shot down by an unseen con on their 6 while lining up on their attack run.

Also many of the true experts/vets of this game rarely interfere with that lil MA war, concentrating instead on pure dogfighting.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: hubsonfire on May 25, 2007, 01:39:06 PM
Additionally, said bombtruck hogs are often low on the water and easy prey for anything with guns, especially at bases being attacked with the CV only 10K off the field.
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Stang on May 25, 2007, 01:42:44 PM
5" guns are murderous to low 1D hogs.

:t
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Gianlupo on May 25, 2007, 02:47:03 PM
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Originally posted by Simaril
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Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Seagoon on May 25, 2007, 09:29:35 PM
Ok, it just doesn't make sense to me that a relatively poor performer like the F4F/FM2 would be moved up because veterans looking for a challenge choose them as a ride. Also, my experience is that the really uber-experten fighter jocks always tend to fly the late war planes while the more eccentric veterans fly the mid-range planes for a challenge.

Seems to me ENY should reflect only the objective performance factors of the plane itself. Most notably, speed, turn radius, and lethality. So the "F-16" of AH2, the LA7 should be way up there.

Incidentally, speaking of eccentric, I've been flying the KI-61 almost exclusively this tour. Nice enough plane, but nowhere near as easy to get kills in as my "top shelf" ride the LA5. The KI61 was properly ENY'd back when it was amongst the "magnificent 40s" back in the old days of one MA.

- SEAGOON
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: gpa3 on May 25, 2007, 11:42:22 PM
I know the exact equation used for eny.

Unfortunetly this thread is full. You will need to look for my answer in some other thread due to thread balancing which is in effect at this time.

Thread balancing was enabled because hordes were posting too many times on one thread. Something had to be done to stop the evil horde postings. I am sure you all agree.

:lol
Title: Can Someone Explain Current ENY Rankings?
Post by: Simaril on May 27, 2007, 07:34:12 AM
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Ok, it just doesn't make sense to me that a relatively poor performer like the F4F/FM2 would be moved up because veterans looking for a challenge choose them as a ride. Also, my experience is that the really uber-experten fighter jocks always tend to fly the late war planes while the more eccentric veterans fly the mid-range planes for a challenge.

Seems to me ENY should reflect only the objective performance factors of the plane itself. Most notably, speed, turn radius, and lethality. So the "F-16" of AH2, the LA7 should be way up there.

Incidentally, speaking of eccentric, I've been flying the KI-61 almost exclusively this tour. Nice enough plane, but nowhere near as easy to get kills in as my "top shelf" ride the LA5. The KI61 was properly ENY'd back when it was amongst the "magnificent 40s" back in the old days of one MA.

- SEAGOON




It makes a little sense if you look at it from HT's point of view, instead of the individual player's vantage. To us, what matters is the matchups we get into . To him, it's not the individual fight, it's the overall impact on the arenas.

The net effect of a plane includes the skill set of it's pilots. A weaker plane that starts racking up kills has an increased effect on the arena, regardless of its objective performance. From an arena standpoint, that might warrant an adjustment to return balance to the force or something. Maybe it's like applying supply and demand to perk point production, and if a plane's supplying disproportionately more perks the values go down.