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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mr No Name on May 24, 2007, 01:04:10 PM
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Folks let me preface this with these facts:
1. I voted for Bush - twice - both times with a clothespin on my nose... The choices in both elections just plain sucked.
2. I support the war that we are waging globally against Islamic Fascism wherever that war takes us.
3. I am a die-hard conservative on 99% of all issues.
But this power grab is way wayyy wayyyy outside the scope of the US Constitution... THIS is why we told King George III to get bent:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825)
The directive establishes under the office of the president a new national continuity coordinator whose job is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
"Catastrophic emergency" is loosely defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
This is broad enough to mean anything and is as damaging to the Constitution as Lincolns suspension of Habeas Corpus and his other anti-Constitutional activities during the civil war. This is the same thing Hitler did right after his election.
Write your Congressmen and Senators folks... This is truly dangerous. GWB is ramming the illegal aliens down our throats along with the SPP... Time to clip the boys wings and we have Congressmen who have the power to do so.
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http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206236
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dude, go grab a bible then walk up and down the street saying the end is near, cause all your going to get out of me is "its about damned time".
Now bugger off M8 :D
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I didn't see the other thread... But i usually don't read threads that start with poor spelling. You know as well as I do that we were never supposed to have an all-powerful central government, much less one that has one branch - at any time.
I am not a Bush Basher but this... well, this does alarm me as it should alarm others.
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FWIW, its just another version of COOP, been around since Eisenhauer, updated by Clinton in 1998, no mention of congress in it either.
The only difference now is that Homeland Security is in the loop.
Read the directives (old and new) do your homework, and quit panicking.
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The Bushi have been down with the Nazis before:
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush-Hitler.html
" a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:
* 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
* 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
* 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
* 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
* 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
* 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
In 1939, Hitler invaded Poland, where a subsidiary of United Steelworks was operating. This company, known as the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, was to be solely operated by Auschwitz slave labor. ... Thyssen decided to sell CSSC after chaos across Europe worried him about losing his subsidiary. He sold CSSC to Union Banking and Harriman Investment. Now under American control, Prescott Bush was put in charge of managing the company and even managed a portion of the slave labor.
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These bush people and the moronic party clones that back his antics are still pure evil, greed and corruption... GW at least has an excuse, it runs in the family.
Edit: wanted to add my favorite:
"The U.S. government found that huge sections of Prescott Bush's empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort." (1)"
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He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.
He sat back and watched as New Orleans self imploded. He did this because he had no legal right to do anything until Louisiana asked for help.
The punchline is that he was immediately blamed for doing nothing.
You guys forced him to do this.
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Hey guys, remember when then governor bubba Clinton was in cahoots with a south american drug cartel and had dozens of people killed to protect his drug ASSets. Remember also that Bubba Clinton was a serial rapist responsible for the rapes of at least half a dozen women.... remember when he bit that skanks lower lip nearly clean off just as a warning not to tattle, remember that? Remember Vince Foster, and how he was murdered by Billary to cover up an affair?
There were masses of people that were actually tooled by all that garbage :rolleyes:
Get real, eh.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.
He sat back and watched as New Orleans self imploded. He did this because he had no legal right to do anything until Louisiana asked for help.
The punchline is that he was immediately blamed for doing nothing.
You guys forced him to do this.
Read the directives. Nothing different from the old COOP directive really...other than HLS is in the loop.
Man, its amazing how much people swallow stuff hook, line and sinker without doing some checking of facts. :huh
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Folks let me preface this with these facts:
1. I voted for Bush - twice - both times with a clothespin on my nose... The choices in both elections just plain sucked.
2. I support the war that we are waging globally against Islamic Fascism wherever that war takes us.
3. I am a die-hard conservative on 99% of all issues.
But this power grab is way wayyy wayyyy outside the scope of the US Constitution... THIS is why we told King George III to get bent:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825)
The directive establishes under the office of the president a new national continuity coordinator whose job is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.
"Catastrophic emergency" is loosely defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."
This is broad enough to mean anything and is as damaging to the Constitution as Lincolns suspension of Habeas Corpus and his other anti-Constitutional activities during the civil war. This is the same thing Hitler did right after his election.
Write your Congressmen and Senators folks... This is truly dangerous. GWB is ramming the illegal aliens down our throats along with the SPP... Time to clip the boys wings and we have Congressmen who have the power to do so.
So then, you think this expires when GWB is out in 18 months? OR, will it continue on afterwards? Do you think the next pres. will change it? Most importantly, do you think Congress gives a rats a** what "the American People" think (see the new amnesty bill for that answer)? I love when guys grab onto the "Hitler" comparison. And by the way, what are you doing to protect the 2nd amendment, which protects the rest of the Constitution? Are you ready to use it when the time comes, or does a trip to Canada sound more restful?
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WWCND?
What Would Chuck Norris Do?
He'd feed you a bar of soap so when he round kicked you, you'd foam up well to take those hateful words outta yer Mouth!!!
Because any good American is a Hard Right Reagan Republican!!!
GOD Bless Ronald Reagan and John Wayne!!!
And of course Chuck Norris!
:aok
Mac
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Here's another interesting story from worldnetdaily.com.
"Soy is making kids 'gay'" :noid
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
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Dr. Guillotin invented a very good solution to this exact problem.
Anyone thinking one party as a whole is better for the people then the other is nuts.
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Originally posted by FLS
Here's another interesting story from worldnetdaily.com.
"Soy is making kids ghey"
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Originally posted by AWMac
WWCND?
What Would Chuck Norris Do?
He'd feed you a bar of soap so when he round kicked you, you'd foam up well to take those hateful words outta yer Mouth!!!
Because any good American is a Hard Right Reagan Republican!!!
GOD Bless Ronald Reagan and John Wayne!!!
And of course Chuck Norris!
:aok
Mac
:rofl :rofl :rofl :lol when did john wayne come into play?:rofl :aok
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Originally posted by FBBone
So then, you think this expires when GWB is out in 18 months? OR, will it continue on afterwards? Do you think the next pres. will change it? Most importantly, do you think Congress gives a rats a** what "the American People" think (see the new amnesty bill for that answer)? I love when guys grab onto the "Hitler" comparison. And by the way, what are you doing to protect the 2nd amendment, which protects the rest of the Constitution? Are you ready to use it when the time comes, or does a trip to Canada sound more restful?
You got me all wrong... I am a 2nd amendment guy... I am especially a 1st through 10th amendment guy! I am angry to see any erosion of any of those rights that we were all endowed with at birth that the framers of the Constitution were wise enough to acknowlege.
I used the Hitler analogy because he proclaimed a state of emergency and suspended constitutional civil rights and enabled Hitler to dictate further legislation without parliamentary confirmation.
Before Hitler there was a Parliamentary form of government in Germany. He issued a similar directive to this one in 1933 and later that year there was a mysterious fire in the Reichstag - Hitler claimed it was a signal to ignite a Communist uprising so he evoked his "Emergency Powers"
I am not saying Bush is Hitler, I voted for the man TWICE. I am saying the erosion in Constitutional rights and separation of powers, particularly between the Federal Government and the states needs to be watched. I do not care that we started down this slippery slope during the civil war, I do care that this sort of directive (NOT even voted upon in Congress like regular legislation) will come back to bite us all in the butt one day - or some future generation.
For those who think I am running around saying the sky is falling... you just don't know me that well. I believe that we must always be vigilant in order to prevent our rights as citizens from being eroded. I believe that if we do not kick and scream everytime the government takes something away from us that we have had, we will find ourselves able to do less and less freely in this country. Remember our income taxes were supposed to be TEMPORARY to pay off WWI debts. People went along easily and we are saddled with a huge bill to pay each and every single payday.
It doesn't have to be Bush to suspend rights and seize power. Will Hillary or Obama do it? Who will be elected in 2012? 2020? I am just saying that more control needs to be passed BACK to the states and allow them to run their own affairs just as they were designed, NOT the other way around.
I hope that clarifies my stand a bit.
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Mr No Name = :noid
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Originally posted by AWMac
What Would Chuck Norris Do
Probably go pick out a new pink tank top. :rofl
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Agreed...
Bush is a Mexican Puppet ! Along with McCain, Kennedy, Fiendstine and the rest of the Fools in the Senate .....Supporting Amnesty Bill....
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The socialism that the democrats want is even worse.
The real problem is that no matter what party is in power... the government has too much power.
When will you guys learn that any power you give one party is simply more power you are giving both parties.
If such a law passed do you not think a democrat would use it?
lazs
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Thanks Lazs... You get the point. I don't see the little black helicopters! LOL It's hard for people to see a problem with minor erosions here and there because the effect is, on the surface minuscule... However, over time erosion creates canyons.
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While I'm very worried about the erosion of our civil liberties and the consolidation of power by some specific people, I don't see anything in this new EO that does anything but provide for continuity of government. I may have missed something, and if I did please quote it. I really think that article about it is bad analysis (and its basically a rehash of the linked article by Corsi which is also bad).
Rash, you're right about blind faith in parties, but you know that attitude about the Guillotine let the French Revolution into a blood bath. They just started using it on any 'enemies of the revolution'. A perfect example that no one side can be trusted.