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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on May 27, 2007, 10:24:56 AM
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Three blatant kill-steals in 3 hours of play last night.
At least one of them appologized immediately.
Really, I could care less about HO's, vulching, cherry-pickers, etc. but kill stealing really gets under my skin.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Three blatant kill-steals in 3 hours of play last night.
At least one of them appologized immediately.
Really, I could care less about HO's, vulching, cherry-pickers, etc. but kill stealing really gets under my skin.
Not as long as their is breath in my body.
They will have to pry the stolen kills from my cold, dead fingers. Muaahahhaaaaa!
:)
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As long As there is Score and "names Under the lights" for getting kills there will always be kill stealing...
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Don't play with your food.
Kill them quick or get out of the way!
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:D
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Originally posted by Blooz
Don't play with your food.
Kill them quick or get out of the way!
Thats how I look at it. Its more my fault if I don't get the kill. If I didn't hit them hard enough when I had my chance, then I really don't deserve the kill.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Three blatant kill-steals in 3 hours of play last night.
At least one of them appologized immediately.
Really, I could care less about HO's, vulching, cherry-pickers, etc. but kill stealing really gets under my skin.
This game is well populated with pilots who could not hit their own backside with a chair. Their chances of shooting down something completely on their own is remote. So, you can expect that they will all strive to shoot anything already disabled.
I fly the TBM and Boston III as a fighters from time to time. I'll land 1 or 2 kills, along with 5 or 6 assists. The assists result from unwanted interlopers zooming in and cherry picking a fighter I have saddled up on. It's a low-class thing to do, it shows disrespect and a general lack of consideration. It's also standard procedure for many players. That's how it is in Aces High... It no longer bothers me. However, if I see a former kill stealer in trouble and needing help... He's on his own. After he's dead, then I'll kill his attacker(s).
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
This game is well populated with pilots who could not hit their own backside with a chair. Their chances of shooting down something completely on their own is remote. So, you can expect that they will all strive to shoot anything already disabled.
I fly the TBM and Boston III as a fighters from time to time. I'll land 1 or 2 kills, along with 5 or 6 assists. The assists result from unwanted interlopers zooming in and cherry picking a fighter I have saddled up on. It's a low-class thing to do, it shows disrespect and a general lack of consideration. It's also standard procedure for many players. That's how it is in Aces High... It no longer bothers me. However, if I see a former kill stealer in trouble and needing help... He's on his own. After he's dead, then I'll kill his attacker(s).
My regards,
Widewing
Widewing since you like the Boston so much......we are looking for Bostons pilots for the Allies in Operation Husky :) just saying..
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Originally posted by Widewing
This game is well populated with pilots who could not hit their own backside with a chair. Their chances of shooting down something completely on their own is remote. So, you can expect that they will all strive to shoot anything already disabled.
Except for the word "pilot" you nailed it:aok
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Three blatant kill-steals in 3 hours of play last night.
At least one of them appologized immediately.
Really, I could care less about HO's, vulching, cherry-pickers, etc. but kill stealing really gets under my skin.
A question comes to mind sir. Were the steals done while you were attacking or after you thought the damage was enough that the kill was in the bag cuz the guy would crash?
If it was the first, then I can agree with you.
If it was the second, many a time have I seen veteran pilots break off my six when flying a lone B-26 streaming smoke and/or fuel. I can only assume they thought they had the kill in the bag.....but I end up making it back and landing safely. If this was the case, all I can say is make sure it's dead.
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I hate it when someone "clears" my 12:(
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
Thats how I look at it. Its more my fault if I don't get the kill. If I didn't hit them hard enough when I had my chance, then I really don't deserve the kill.
If the plane is wreckage falling to the ground then peeps should avoid shooting at it, although I did steal this guy's kill a few days ago for him HO'ing the fella I was 200 off of! I only kill steal(intentionally) when I think the guy is trying to steal it from me or shooting over my shoulder! :aok
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i think most of the kill stealers are newbies ignorant of the culture. and then there is the occasional score monkeys.
it really irks me when i am flying a lesser aircraft for the challenge and somebody comes along and takes my hard earned kill - an aircraft on fire or one floundering with tail feathers shot off - etc - and takes it.
i'm not that good, so when i do a good job out thinking and out manuvering a superior aircraft, i really want that kill. i will leave an aircraft on fire to limp away if he can't land ( unless it is still a threat) to save ammo. it just absolutely ruins my immersion to have to worry about the lame wimps stealing the kill out from under me, forcing me to expend needless ammo because of them.
guilty parties may not care what i think, but i forever brand a kill stealer as an prettythanghole, and i will never speak to them or respond to them in any way again, unless i see mitigating circumstances.
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LOL. Reminds me of the other day. I caught a KS stealing another guys kill. I did not say anything the first two times it happend, on the third I told him "Way to go you weenie, go steal some more kills." His partner in crime chimed in with "Watch your mouth, I have kids in the room, you cussed and I am going to report you.." When did weenie become a bad word? I missed that memo.
-Sp0t
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I stole a kill from furball once, he liked it and thanked me for it.
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I hardly ever see anyone fire on a plane that is obviously completely disabled and going down. So I guess you guys are complaining about someone stealing the kill on the plane that you plan to kill sometime in the future... if things go well. In other words, you expect everyone else to know which plane you've picked out for destruction and to stay away until you finish your task.
OK. Maybe that would be obvious if you were hard on its tail. But, if you are not closing on the target, and the undamaged target is running, and I can catch the target, then I'm going to steal "your" kill.
Or, if "your" target appears to be on your six and you haven't waved off help via range vox, then I'm going to engage to try to help you.
Or if your target is smoking but he's still going to make it to take out some strat target, I'm going to try to stop him.
Or, if you are flying an A20 or TBM, then people might often steal "your" kill because they think you are in trouble and are trying to help you. How are they to know you are not a bomber in trouble, but are some silly person who likes to show off by getting kills in low performance planes?
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asks BaldEagl
No.
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When pipz was a squadie I used to steal his kills every chance I got, it was great sport...then he started to sing show tunes over vox to get back at me:(....I learned my lesson and stopped.
shamus
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Pipz and singing, I remember those days. It was like wiping with 35 grit sandpaper.
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Originally posted by 715
some silly person who likes to show off by getting kills in low performance planes
Oh, someone's envious.
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i will steal anyone's kill who shoots "over my shoulder", if not i kill shoot them. i think thats more annoying than anything else.
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Originally posted by 715
I hardly ever see anyone fire on a plane that is obviously completely disabled and going down. So I guess you guys are complaining about someone stealing the kill on the plane that you plan to kill sometime in the future... if things go well. In other words, you expect everyone else to know which plane you've picked out for destruction and to stay away until you finish your task.
Wrong. I don't consider that kill-stealing. I'm talking about a plane in flames that is no threat to anyone or anything or one missing entire wings and/or tail sections and fluttering to the ground.
People who swoop in to pump rounds into those planes to get the kill are the lamest of dweebs IMHO and I see at least 2 per week and three in three hours just last night.
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I will steal your kills because I can. Finish them off next time.
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Originally posted by BBBB
LOL. Reminds me of the other day. I caught a KS stealing another guys kill. I did not say anything the first two times it happend, on the third I told him "Way to go you weenie, go steal some more kills." His partner in crime chimed in with "Watch your mouth, I have kids in the room, you cussed and I am going to report you.." When did weenie become a bad word? I missed that memo.
-Sp0t
This is why any time I see a pissin' contest about to develop with some cranky or self-righteous player, I run film. False vox/text reports will get you bounced, and film is adequate evidence.
The best way to deal with any trouble is to run film. Let them condemn themselves.
My regards,
Widewing
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If you fly around in a pack of 30 hungry sharks and a flailing, burning, twirling piece of one winged meat falls through the crowd, then all I have to say is "EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!!!!."
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Originally posted by Husky01
Widewing since you like the Boston so much......we are looking for Bostons pilots for the Allies in Operation Husky :) just saying..
I might if: when I see an enemy fighter, I can pitch the bombs and go after it.
Also, weekend afternoons are not conducive to my schedule. But, I appreciate the offer. :aok
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I'm talking about a plane in flames that is no threat to anyone or anything or one missing entire wings and/or tail sections and fluttering to the ground.
Bald... I will say that a plane that is a torch but is still flying is a threat... Zero's burn forever.. These types of planes I will shoot but I do try and put as few rounds into them as possible to get them down... They are flying they can fight and are not KILLED... Yet..
Planes that are fluttering down I will not shoot...
Yes its frustrating when youve done the guy in (with my skills thats a feat in itself) and someone pumps a few thousand rounds into him for their enjoyment but what can you do...
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SHawk made the remark one night that I sure made sure that the guy I shot was dead.I kept hammering the plane until it blew up.
The reason:I didn't want the five other guys nearby chasing the carcass down and getting the kill on someone I shot the tail off of.
The one thing I've started to do,and will continue to do is if you're behind me and shooting over my shoulder,I WILL break into your tracers.
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Originally posted by Sox62
The one thing I've started to do,and will continue to do is if you're behind me and shooting over my shoulder,I WILL break into your tracers.
I enjoy doing this.
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i love steal killing. it is a game amongst us BKs. I try every chance i get. i have had many taken from me. kill quick or lose it. :aok
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Karaya your dam avatar is making me dizzy.
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shooting a falling or burning plane shows no class but what really burns my 6 is finding a plane no smoke flying nicely, all parts are visable...you blow off his wing and get an assist. why? i'm the one who took him out of the sky. i dont wanna hear about pilot wounds. the guy is still flying and capable of killing so obviously the PW is not the superior shot..the wing being blown off is the kill shot. i want my well deserved kill.
and again...you see a 1v1, u ask if they need help.dont just jump in...little rude isnt it. and i dont wanna hear about "its your $15". every game has ettiquette..learn it.
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I must be weird.....Shamus hold thy toung......I never in my history of flight sims except in AW one month cared WHO got the kill as long as the guy died.Ive never had a kill stolen from me.The ones I could kill I did kill.The ones I couldnt....Some OTHER slob killed.No one ever stole anything from me.
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Originally posted by DrDea
I must be weird.....
Truer words never spoken doc :lol
shamus
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
but kill stealing really gets under my skin.
Ingame ID same as BBS ID?
Oh, and what time you usually on?
:t
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Originally posted by Widewing
I see a former kill stealer in trouble and needing help... He's on his own. After he's dead, then I'll kill his attacker(s).
My regards,
Widewing
I do the same.
A couple of days back a countryman (chesspiece) stole my kill and he got jumped by a con. I got on the cons six and didnt fire a shot or check his 6 until he had killed the killstealer. I shot the enemy down while the killstealer was in his chute watching. He gave me hell on txt and i calmly told him that i didnt save his arse because he had blatantly stole my kill. Didint hear from him for 10 mins. He then squeaked abit more but obviously he got muted again. :)
I wont say his name but he squeaks alot on this BBS too so he will prolly be here soon.
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Use Hispanos and there'll be nothing to steal:aok
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Kill stealing a burning or obviously tumbleing dead plane is crap. I have had it done to me, so I make great efforts not to do it to anyone else. I know that we should not play with our food (though I am guilty of that at times too, it is sooo fun to chip away with twin 7.9mms) and kill quickly but there are times where one beats the crap out of an enemy and then some Jonny Q. Newblet swoops in and clears one's 12 or waits till one takes the guys wing off and as he is falling fill the carcass with lead. Then instead of that gratafying kill message one gets an assist. Though it really does not bother me as this game is still fun most of the time, and at the end of the day I and my squadees know whoom actually killed what. :furious
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Three blatant kill-steals in 3 hours of play last night.
At least one of them appologized immediately.
Really, I could care less about HO's, vulching, cherry-pickers, etc. but kill stealing really gets under my skin.
What gets under my skin, is greedy score/killz colectors vets, whinning and screaming at poor nobs for strafing a wounded plane , let the squekers land 2 killz, makes them happy,
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i saw some really phatetic ones last night, actaully pretty funny cause it was a guy stealing kills from his own squadmates. i guess TBM's and SBD's with no wings might look like their in a bomb run 3k short of the field.
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Heres my rules:
1) If someone steals my kill, but its not totally dead, ill steal it back.
2) If the enemy is near me, shooting near me, or goes into my crosshair, i fire
3) If the dweeb does take the kill, no apology, nothing, i will steal from him, per plane stolen from me.
4) If the dweeb is in trouble, i will not help, and kill the enemies killing him only once he is dead
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Why are AH'ers so unrelentingly unpleasant to newcomers?
Can't you remember when you were a newcomer? Don't you remember your heart racing? When I first played Air Warrior, 20 years ago, I thought I was going to have a heart attack when entering a fight. Under those kind of conditions a newcomer is likely to do something stupid in the heat of battle, like try to kill an easy target.
Can't you cut them just a little bit of slack? Do you really want to annoy them and drive them away from AH? Do you really want HTC to make less money?
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Originally posted by 715
Why are AH'ers so unrelentingly unpleasant to newcomers?
Not all are, and I will admit I was for a short time. I learned the ropes on my own, reading the documentation and practicing offline for several weeks. It didn't help my success, but at least I knew how to open the bomb bay doors, and what happens when I Alt-F4 long before I logged on to the MA. I will admit I answered a few stupid questions with "RTFM" since this is the way I learned.
After I was asked to join a squad, I realized they were taking time with me, so I should do what I could to pass the help on.
Many of the Alt-F4 repeat offenders are loney people that most likely would get their arse beat if they were as rude in RL as they are in the game. Since they have the internet to protect them, they can get away with it.
Squelch the jerks, and do what you can to help. I have been thinking of going to the TA for an hour a week and offering to help someone get the basics down. If everyone would do that, I would guess things would get better in the MA.
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I hardly ever see anyone fire on a plane that is obviously completely disabled and going down.
I agree - I see it once in awhile but not all that often. And I almost never see a name I recognize doing so.
I do think however there are 2 distinct classes of this, and some confusion over which is which: When the bandit is OBVIOUSLY dead versus when you THINK he's obviously dead because you're sure you've killed him.
Too many times I've watched what looked like the entire tail section fall off a bandit only to be surprised when the bandit maneuvers hard again. And on top of that, it's way too easy to miss seeing a plane lose parts to someone else's guns while maneuvering to begin with.
So I personally tend to give the benefit of the doubt most of the time, unless it's truly blatant (like someone following a tumbling, one-winged aircraft down 2 -3 Km in order to shoot it.)
What I've been doing is if I've just blown away a vital part - wing or tail - and the plane is still in the air in an area where there are multiple friendlies, I'll announce that he's without wing/tail/whatever on range radio. Mostly just to inform folks still engaged that he's not a threat any more, but I suspect it might minimize any contemplated foolishness, as well.
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I was in B24's the other night getting chased down by a rather upset Corsair (well I had just sunk his carrier).
I wasn't overly concerned because he was showing all the classic signs of just crusing nice and slowly into my laser tail gun death-zone, but even so, I was pleased to spot a friendly 190 sneak up behind him. With the F4U about 800 out, the 190 gave him a burst and set him on fire, then pulled away.
Unfortunately, at this point the F4U, although burning, is still resolutely cruising up behind me. At D600 he opens up on me and I do likewise killing him almost instantly. I got the kill.
The 'friendly' 190 pilot went ape, telling me what bad form it was to fire on a burning plane and that was the last time he'd ever help me out.
Well cheers 190 dude :aok
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No....it won't.
I get plenty of kills. I get some stolen. I have a good memory.