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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rollins on May 29, 2007, 05:46:11 AM
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Tried to up a P51B, ENY says no---cool. Tried to up a Spit VIII ENY says no---cool. Tried to up a Mossie- ENY said no. All in that rapid sequence, like ENY followed me. Can I get a total crock of sh**--- ENY--yes and you will like it (pay no attention to the man behind the green curtain!) The price is right Bob!
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ENY has never bothered me. I'll continue to roll Spit 1's, Ki-61's and other "POS planes" in the LWA's.
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Mash-this is the first time I've ever disagreed with you on the boards-aside from small stuff. Normally I have no prob with it, and I will fly a disadvantaged plane no prob. I don't want to get into numbers, but it was within 10 of each other and just kept rolling up-literally by the second. Appreciate the early rides, but essentially perking a Mossie, c'mon!
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Just an option but if you had changed sides to the lower populated country you could have upped anything you wanted. There must have been a rather large disparity in numbers to reach that level eny.
Just noticed you say the numbers were within 10 of each other, was it in MW?
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DaPup to answer your question- I meant that the ENY jumped by 10 every time I tried it. Literally 1 plane to the next. I went p51B, Spit8 then Mossie-the ENY jumped with it in the course of 2 minutes. Hence my frustration. As to your suggestion about countries, I understand and appreciate the suggestion, but I fly Rooks and am a member of the 4th Fighter Group, Eagles-4th but 1st. That won't change.
Thanks and see you up!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
ENY has never bothered me. I'll continue to roll Spit 1's, Ki-61's and other "POS planes" in the LWA's.
Amen. 109F or E
Even the 109A8..... ****ing monster of plane....31 ENY... no worries.
ENY is good, it forces you fly something more challenging or switch sides.
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ENY limitaition is good.
The few times i cant up my ENY 20 rides i just select another. Many good options out there to choose from.
The dumbest thing i ever hear is when people whine that they cant up "competitive planes".... (psst guys.. its not the plane that has to be "competitive" ;))
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ENY can be a pian in the crotch but i find it makes me fly spit 1's e.t.c and it's a bloody good laugh.
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Since flying on the knight side, I dont mind ENY so much since I rarely have to tolerate it. Once it creeps up, I'll go to my trusty 190a8 and go bomber hunting, up a GV or ride some ack guns and blast those high ENY planes that I'm being denied. I still think ENY is BS.
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Obviously there are numerous sub-par ways to deal with ENY.
But there is only one real reason not to do anything about it.
Dorks.
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
... but I fly Rooks and am a member of the 4th Fighter Group, Eagles-4th but 1st. That won't change.
Not trying to start a fight but why get all worked up over a country? I can understand the squad, wanting to fly with friends. I just never understood the country thing. It's a game. If ENY is causing you to not have fun, then just switch. Every "country" is the same, I've flown for them all. 1/2 the time I don't know what country I'm on, just that the bad guys are red and the good, green. If your squad(friends) can't understand that you want to have some fun and fly your favorite bird, then maybe they aren't such good squadies.
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It was just a post about the ridiculous acceleration of ENY I experienced tonight. As to the country loyalty, it's no knock to any other side- I happen to enjoy the people I've met Rooks-wise. And as it happens, my squad is Rooks, but as I've gotten to know them, I've found a group of gentlemen that I am thoroughly impressed with on both an AH and personal level.
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
It was just a post about the ridiculous acceleration of ENY I experienced tonight. As to the country loyalty, it's no knock to any other side- I happen to enjoy the people I've met Rooks-wise. And as it happens, my squad is Rooks, but as I've gotten to know them, I've found a group of gentlemen that I am thoroughly impressed with on both an AH and personal level.
Well ... it was in lock-step with the ridiculous acceleration of a population advantage that your country had.
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Understood. Reference my above post as an observation and not an all out criticism. Just an interesting part of AH that I noted because it was new to me in this form and speed.
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I find ENY restrictions annoying, at best. That said, it has forced me to find other planes to fly that I've ended up enjoying- the LA5 being my latest toy that usually gets me through most ENY restrictions.
The rapid escalation of ENY values when you're trying to up is something I commented on here before. I find that EXTREMELY annoying, having to spend a few minutes finding a plane you can fly, being denied one, choosing another and being denied that one and on and on.
My suggestion, which few seemed to think was a good idea, was to have the current ENY restriction posted somewhere in the hangar so you'd know right off the bat where you stood as far as plane restrictions.
Either that, or have ENY useable planes listed in standard gray text and other planes that are ENY restricted in some other color. Save the red text for planes that aren't allowed due to fiter hangars being down or such.
I thought that might make choosing a plane a bit easier and quicker during ever changing plane restrictions.
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did you know that when you click on a plane and get a "you can't fly that due to ENY error" that if you click on the ENY header it will sort the planes by ENY value? Makes it easier to just run down from the ENY number to see what ya can/want to fly.
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
It was just a post about the ridiculous acceleration of ENY I experienced tonight. As to the country loyalty, it's no knock to any other side- I happen to enjoy the people I've met Rooks-wise. And as it happens, my squad is Rooks, but as I've gotten to know them, I've found a group of gentlemen that I am thoroughly impressed with on both an AH and personal level.
There are the same kind of people on the nits and bish. It's difficult for some to leave the safety of the horde.
Try it and you will find a utopia where ENY does not exist and you never run out of targets. Any excuse not to is merely lackahordeaphobia. You can get over it though, just take the first tentative step and you are on your way.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
did you know that when you click on a plane and get a "you can't fly that due to ENY error" that if you click on the ENY header it will sort the planes by ENY value? Makes it easier to just run down from the ENY number to see what ya can/want to fly.
Heavens To Murgatroid ... that would take a few precious seconds to do ... :rolleyes:
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Want to stay loyal to your chess piece and stay with the horde? Have to deal with ENY. Lowest ENY plane I regularly fly is the Ki-84. C.205, Yak, and A-20 were planes of choice last night for me. I like taking a low numbers country and flying against the horde, because I generally DO find myself flying against planes other than the splixteen, lagay-7, runstang, and niki.
So, yes, at times ENY does make a difference.
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What areana was this in? If it's in late war and the mosquito was loacked, it means that numbers were WAY out of ballance. You'd better switch countries in such an extreme case.
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You don't want to fly the C205... Total piece of trash... :noid
Stick with the C202, or the P40B, or the F4F4. All way better than the 205.
:noid
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
ENY has never bothered me. I'll continue to roll Spit 1's, Ki-61's and other "POS planes" in the LWA's.
Well I haven't spent my time in Spit 1's to be effective in it, however I wouldn't call a Ki-61 a POS. I've been flying it some in this tour and I find it to be a highly effective fighter.
I'm as ki-84 fan, but the guns tend to be a bit weak IMO for furballs, base attacks or defensive. Not meaning I can't kill with it, but typically it's hard to get a plane set up quick enough for a certain kill.
So I started playing with the Ki-61 on some occasions and the gun packages is far superior to the ki-84. The only issues I find with the plane is lack of climb. If the ki-61 climbed just a bit better IMO it would be one of the most lethal planes in the game.
Only time ENY really ticks me off is when I'm in base capture mode and can't fly the 110 with my heavy guns. Or if it gets so bad you can't even up a panzer at those points I typically just log off.
As a side note last night I took up my old trainer bird the Spit 9 because I wanted something different from the KI 's and A6m that I normally fly. lol well all I can say is I think the Spit 9 should be at least 15 eny because 20 is much too high for it. I had forgotten how easy that plane was.
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I fly rooks too, and usually fly something with a high enough eny that it doesnt bother me. But on squad nights when we want to use a certain ride, we will side switch if the eny is out of control. Do it as a squad. Its the same blue/green map no matter what side you are on, and as long as your buds are there with ya, its all good.
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Originally posted by crockett
Well I haven't spent my time in Spit 1's to be effective in it, however I wouldn't call a Ki-61 a POS. I've been flying it some in this tour and I find it to be a highly effective fighter.
I'm as ki-84 fan, but the guns tend to be a bit weak IMO for furballs, base attacks or defensive. Not meaning I can't kill with it, but typically it's hard to get a plane set up quick enough for a certain kill.
So I started playing with the Ki-61 on some occasions and the gun packages is far superior to the ki-84. The only issues I find with the plane is lack of climb. If the ki-61 climbed just a bit better IMO it would be one of the most lethal planes in the game.
Only time ENY really ticks me off is when I'm in base capture mode and can't fly the 110 with my heavy guns. Or if it gets so bad you can't even up a panzer at those points I typically just log off.
As a side note last night I took up my old trainer bird the Spit 9 because I wanted something different from the KI 's and A6m that I normally fly. lol well all I can say is I think the Spit 9 should be at least 15 eny because 20 is much too high for it. I had forgotten how easy that plane was.
You'd be surprised at what the community "thinks of the Ki-61". Burn the wing tanks first and it becomes a whole new plane.
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
Mash-this is the first time I've ever disagreed with you on the boards-aside from small stuff. Normally I have no prob with it, and I will fly a disadvantaged plane no prob. I don't want to get into numbers, but it was within 10 of each other and just kept rolling up-literally by the second. Appreciate the early rides, but essentially perking a Mossie, c'mon!
Welcome to the joys of flying late nights. Rooks deal with this every night it seems in LW's.
For what ever reason it seems quite a few Rooks like to sit in the tower AFK or for what ever reason all night long. So when the numbers dwindle down so each team has 30 -50 "in flight" players the rook will have 60-80 "in tower" killing our ENY.
Meanwhile the actual number of guys fighting are typically pretty close to the other teams, yet we get hit with 10 -15 eny all the time. It doesn't bug me too much when I'm flying fighters, however as I said before it sucks big time trying to capture bases or defend aginst GV attacvks when the ENY starts kicking in.
I still say ENY should be done on adverages "in flight" updated every 5 to 10 mins.
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ENY is fine but it doesn't work as intended when 2 sides are ganging 1.
The situation:
Rooks 150 players
Bish 100 players
KNights 100 PLayers
Bish and Knights (insert countries of choice) aren't fighting each other so it's actually 200 vs 150 but the country with 150 gets ENY limited. In this scenario, ENY is actually making the situation it's supposed to fix even worse.
I fly high ENY planes most of the time so it's no biggie to me, but it seems like a crucial flaw in a feature that obviously took some time to design and implement.
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evil horde, evil horde, evil horde, evil horde, evil horde, blah blah blah
anyone who doesn't change country is an idiot, blah blah blah
Don't you love reading the simplistic repetitive daily insults from the 'senior members'.
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Originally posted by Gulp
ENY is fine but it doesn't work as intended when 2 sides are ganging 1.
The situation:
Rooks 150 players
Bish 100 players
KNights 100 PLayers
Bish and Knights (insert countries of choice) aren't fighting each other so it's actually 200 vs 150 but the country with 150 gets ENY limited. In this scenario, ENY is actually making the situation it's supposed to fix even worse.
I fly high ENY planes most of the time so it's no biggie to me, but it seems like a crucial flaw in a feature that obviously took some time to design and implement.
It's amazing that 200 people manage to coordinate in the MA and gang one side. I've never seen this happen in my decade of flight simming. I've seen it whined about many times but when said map is scrutinized it turns out to be just a bogus whine of a guy who is losing cartoon planes at a rate faster than he finds acceptable. I'd sure like to be around when some uber person gets all 200 or so working together in the MA.
:noid
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Originally posted by gpa3
Don't you love reading the simplistic repetitive daily insults from the 'senior members'.
Careful who you p*ss on.
Just 51 more posts, and you too will be a "senior member". :noid
Stunning, I know, but true!
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Originally posted by crockett
Or if it gets so bad you can't even up a panzer at those points I typically just log off.
So, ENY is working as intended . . .
Perrrrrrrrfect!
:aok
Actually, with three other arenas (plus the occasionally occupied AvA), you shouldn't have to "log off" at all, even if side swapping is not your cup of tea. If your side has massive numbers in one arena, chances are they are outnumbered in another and could use your help.
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Originally posted by Gulp
ENY is fine but it doesn't work as intended when 2 sides are ganging 1.
The situation:
Rooks 150 players
Bish 100 players
KNights 100 PLayers
Bish and Knights (insert countries of choice) aren't fighting each other so it's actually 200 vs 150 but the country with 150 gets ENY limited. In this scenario, ENY is actually making the situation it's supposed to fix even worse.
I fly high ENY planes most of the time so it's no biggie to me, but it seems like a crucial flaw in a feature that obviously took some time to design and implement.
It's near impossible to coad for "intent".
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
It's amazing that 200 people manage to coordinate in the MA and gang one side. I've never seen this happen in my decade of flight simming.
Hmm.. you've never seen one country being ganged by the two others? I've seen it a lot. Sure, there are 5-10 guys left on the third front but not like the hoards on the two ganged fronts.
I don't think it's a matter of coordination as much as opportunism (is that a word?). Thought proccess probably goes like this: "Hey, there's a big fight going on between Rooks and Bish and neither one's attacking us right now. Bish are smaller so I'm going to attack them while they're distracted". And the hoard follows.
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What's way more common is to see 2 high sides both attack the weaker cousin -- you know, path of least resistance!
But there has not ever been cross country coordinated attacks, where entire teams agree to truces. (THe only exception was when joint operations retook fighter town on the donut map.)
AHers are harder to herd than cats with ADD. Those generals who try are derided and ignored.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Hmm.. you've never seen one country being ganged by the two others? I've seen it a lot. Sure, there are 5-10 guys left on the third front but not like the hoards on the two ganged fronts.
I don't think it's a matter of coordination as much as opportunism (is that a word?). Thought proccess probably goes like this: "Hey, there's a big fight going on between Rooks and Bish and neither one's attacking us right now. Bish are smaller so I'm going to attack them while they're distracted". And the hoard follows.
Sorry.. don't believe it. I hear the whines.. just last night actually. As a knight some guy name AAolds "Bish and rooks have been ganging us all night" I had just switched over from Bish because they weren't doing much on either front and were defensive and there was a great little fight between nits and rooks. The moment the Ltar's put a mission together to take P55 the above whine was heard. Was funny because the nitsa had been rolling the bish up prior to that hehehe.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Sorry.. don't believe it. I hear the whines.. just last night actually.
It happens quite a lot. But unlike the whiners may believe, it's not "always hitting us". People just tend to note it only when being at the reciving end of such a temporary constellation (not unlike ENY ;) ). Every country finds itself in a similar position now and then, depending on both coincidence and field distributions / map layouts.
But sure there is no "organisation" behind it.
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Yes, I'm more referring to those crybabies who infer, or blatantly snivel, that there is some sort of deliberation to a temporary lull in the fighting between the two "other" countries. Certainly this debacle doesn't last "all day" or "all night" like I so often hear from the babies.
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What i do not like, is the fact ENY counts not only for planes,but gv's gunners ship gun operators .ect
so if a side has 15 more people "all of whom are in gv's or some sort of ack" the other team has to take one on the chin.
Thats not right, then they take those 15 gv's and rush a field for a milk run,the people who DO up to defend it have to fly sub par fighter bombers.
HAVE YOU EVER TRYED TO DEFEND a BASE BEING REAMED BY 5+ LTARS in a p40E with ONE 500pound bomb!?
Horse crap i say.
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I have seen 2 teams beat up on the weaker team trying to race to the reset ... but as an "organized unit" ... NEVER.
The "race to the reset" has been nullfied by the new capture rules anyways ... it's just that some dolts don't realize/understand it yet.
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<<<< never has problems with ENY :D
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Originally posted by Simaril
AHers are harder to herd than cats with ADD. Those generals who try are derided and ignored.
As well they should be :aok
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
What i do not like, is the fact ENY counts not only for planes,but gv's gunners ship gun operators .ect
so if a side has 15 more people "all of whom are in gv's or some sort of ack" the other team has to take one on the chin.
Thats not right, then they take those 15 gv's and rush a field for a milk run,the people who DO up to defend it have to fly sub par fighter bombers.
HAVE YOU EVER TRYED TO DEFEND a BASE BEING REAMED BY 5+ LTARS in a p40E with ONE 500pound bomb!?
Horse crap i say.
Well ... if you are down to only being able to use P-40Es then you really have quite a few more guys.
I would think that 15+ guys in P-40Es with 500lb bombs could easily handle 5+ LTARS.
Can't get that many guys together ? ... oh well ... can't blame ENY ... just poor organization.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Yes, I'm more referring to those crybabies who infer, or blatantly snivel, that there is some sort of deliberation to a temporary lull in the fighting between the two "other" countries. Certainly this debacle doesn't last "all day" or "all night" like I so often hear from the babies.
Agree, the ONLY "Truce" I know of was when I started the Knight/Rook truce with Lute & RacrX to get FT back on the Donut map.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Sorry.. don't believe it. I hear the whines.. just last night actually. As a knight some guy name AAolds "Bish and rooks have been ganging us all night" I had just switched over from Bish because they weren't doing much on either front and were defensive and there was a great little fight between nits and rooks. The moment the Ltar's put a mission together to take P55 the above whine was heard. Was funny because the nitsa had been rolling the bish up prior to that hehehe.
How long were you afk or sitting in the tower pickin your ***? I ask because you obviously missed about 2-3 hours of the knights being beaten into a corner by both sides and the map showed little to no activity between Bish and Rooks--some of us can actually read the map and see where the action is at or not at.
Im not claiming it was coordinated, I never have, my comment was an observation, not an accusation. I've read other posts from you and I know you dont like me. Got a problem with me, take it up with me directly instead of being a wuss and draggin it into here.
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Of course its not all 200 in my example, but it's very common to be outnumbered in every sector that has action eventhough you have more players than either other country.
2 countries ganging one (no not organized, just happens that way) happens all the time. In fact, I think I see it almost every night for a little while at least. Then some days it's a marathon 2 vs 1. Sure, even when its obviously 2 vs 1 theres always a handful of guys fighting other countries.
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Originally posted by Gulp
Of course its not all 200 in my example, but it's very common to be outnumbered in every sector that has action eventhough you have more players than either other country.
2 countries ganging one (no not organized, just happens that way) happens all the time. In fact, I think I see it almost every night for a little while at least. Then some days it's a marathon 2 vs 1. Sure, even when its obviously 2 vs 1 theres always a handful of guys fighting other countries.
That is the way of Aces High ... take the path of least resistance ... forego that challenge ... smash the weak ... get your name in lights ... yeeeehaaa !!!
Oh ... and don't forget the "Win the war perks" !!! ... dang, what we would do without those perkies ... :O
It has always been this way, but it is much more prevalent now than what AH was in the past. There use to be squads that would hunt and battle each other ... now ... they race to opposite ends of the map and see who can collect as many defensless bases the quickest.
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Originally posted by AAolds
How long were you afk or sitting in the tower pickin your ***? I ask because you obviously missed about 2-3 hours of the knights being beaten into a corner by both sides and the map showed little to no activity between Bish and Rooks--some of us can actually read the map and see where the action is at or not at.
I've read other posts from you and I know you dont like me. Got a problem with me, take it up with me directly instead of being a wuss and draggin it into here.
You obviously cannot read a map and do not know what was happening. I knew what was happening because I had just spent a couple of hours flying for the bish. You spent no time flying for the bish.
As far as not liking you: You're a whiner, and a malcontent. I am not going to expend the energy to "not like you", nor am I going to waste my time taking anything up with you directly beyond this post. You are dismissed.
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Originally posted by Gulp
Of course its not all 200 in my example, but it's very common to be outnumbered in every sector that has action eventhough you have more players than either other country.
Hmm, let's agree to disagree then. I see the very phenomenon you mention occur now and then but it has been, every single time, a matter of low numbers on a particular team.
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Amen. 109F or E
Even the 109A8..... ****ing monster of plane....31 ENY... no worries.
this i dont understand you are right it is a crazy plane why is its eny value so high?
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Swap sides or fly an FM2 or P40. Either way, you might actually have some fun and learn something new...
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I've been flying 190A5 lately, ENY has not bothered me too much.
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I only fly 1 plane, and it has an eny of 5--if eny is 5.5, i'll try the other arena--failing that, I'll occasionally switch sides and fight the 3rd country
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Flying the 109s I do not usually have to deal with ENY but when I do I switch to my other favorites teh 190s and F4F. As far as country switching, I am a knight and will always remain such. Not to say that the other countries are not good, but I like what I like.
:D
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Well ... if you are down to only being able to use P-40Es then you really have quite a few more guys.
I would think that 15+ guys in P-40Es with 500lb bombs could easily handle 5+ LTARS.
Can't get that many guys together ? ... oh well ... can't blame ENY ... just poor organization.
Pfft . . . two four year olds armed with slingshots could hold off 5 LTARs . . . Everyone knows they suck. :noid
All seriousness aside, the rest of the above post is valid.
Originally posted by SlapShot
It has always been this way, but it is much more prevalent now than what AH was in the past. There use to be squads that would hunt and battle each other ... now ... they race to opposite ends of the map and see who can collect as many defensless bases the quickest.
This I am not so sure about. I have no doubt it still happens at off-peak times, but the smaller maps with larger numbers pretty much ensures more fights than before. During peak times (Fridays and Saturdays) when I am able to play, there is rarely an opportunity for any kind of "sneaky raid" just due to the sheer volume of players.
Not to mention that every base actually captured is usually followed by a 45 minute to an hour counter-attack.
No, I would say the fights are larger and better than before -- at least in LW arenas.
As for the squads hunting other squads, please ask the AKs and HAs to cease and desist . . . we are becoming quite annoyed. ;)
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i find ENY and 120 caps= :mad: :mad: :mad:
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SteveBailey, you remind me of gutless man who goes and paints insults about someone on an overpass or a watertower and then hides in their trailer. As for my so-called whining, I can point out problems and voice discontect about things if I so choose and you dont have to like it or agree with it. Good riddance unto you.