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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Guppy35 on May 30, 2007, 12:52:22 AM
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Or Corky's lesson number 156 on losing parts without really trying.
It starts with Corky in his old and slow, battered 38G out and about looking for targets. And of course when a Headhunter spots a Japanese bird, he kinda locks on to it. This time in was a N1K.
Thankfully the N1K thinks he can out turn the old and slow 38G and Corky starts getting the flaps down to get inside the turn.
But wait! Help is on the way in the form of a Tempest.
Note that Corky is below Zazen's nose so Zazen can't see the 38.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap12.jpg)
Zaz, being in the far faster bird continues to close, at which point Corky notices another airplane coming through his cockpit, just as he fires again
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap14.jpg)
Again, no fault of Zazen as he never saw my 38 and I wasn't watching for him as I was locked in on the N1K. The gun button is down and the damage is done
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap8.jpg)
Who needs flaps :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap16.jpg)
As Zazen shoots through, I still managed to get hits on the N1K and he went down. I rtb'd with half my flaps missing from trying to shoot down Zazen's Tempest :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Snap10.jpg)
Any questions?
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Perfect example of when killshooter goes wrong. No fault, but penalty remains the same. Still, imagine what it would be like without it.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Perfect example of when killshooter goes wrong. No fault, but penalty remains the same. Still, imagine what it would be like without it.
the noobs and the jealous ones would be shooting at your 262 as your landing.
Thats the reason for ks in the MA's.
BTW thats Zazens MO .. he's ussually cherry picking . :noid
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there is always fault on the part of someone for failing to maintain their SA. in this case, it just happens to be a B38 dork. ;)
and yes, i shot a friendly today as well. :furious
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hubs, I love your squeak avatar, LOL it is rater funny :p
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:rofl :aok
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Zazen picking in a tempest.. hehehe status quo. For the record, I doubt zazen was unaware of your 38, he probably wanted the kill and didn't give a rat that you were saddled.
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Its what Tempests do. Plus Zazen has God like SA, he's said so many times ;)
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I have had people swoop in and cross my guns to kill that which I am saddled on. It is really frustrating to hit my own oil or fuel, then I have to limp away without my kill. It ok though, this game is still great and its people are great.
:aok
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Ive killed and been killed many times in this situation. Most times if I see tracers low spraying out in front of me I will break off. Sometimes I was fighting the guy for awhile and see the tracers, I say to the other guy(in my mind) good luck buddy, hope you dont hit me.
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i want friendly collisions on and killshooter off.
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Originally posted by john9001
i want friendly collisions on and killshooter off.
You want an unplayable game?
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Have you ever spawned on a runway?
Well, you wouldn't anymore, with collisions on.
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how did you find time to take screen shots durng that?
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No text buffer, it's from the film viewer after-the-fact.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Zazen picking in a tempest.. hehehe status quo. For the record, I doubt zazen was unaware of your 38, he probably wanted the kill and didn't give a rat that you were saddled.
Ummm not true at all. I tracked that Niki for awhile fast otd in lag pursuit. When he began turning I went lead pusuit so was nose high as Corky's first pic indicates. At that point Corky was below my nose. I had no clue he was there until I heard him firing.We were more or less stacked vertically in the exact same trailing position. I am sure Corky has reviewed the film and from my perspective and confirmed I could not see him...
By the way it was no cherry pick, that Niki had a ton of smash and was trying to run. It was a pure run down situation, I found him while I was RTB'ing and my goal was to get him turning or kill him...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Trikky
Its what Tempests do. Plus Zazen has God like SA, he's said so many times ;)
Normally I do, but it was like 1 am and I was not running at full power...It could have just as easily been Corky out front when we were overlapped and I would have KS myself...Definately never a situation I want to put myself in on purpose on either side of the coin.
Zazen
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A question. Did both of you get the hit/collide message?
Falcon
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At that range, I'm impressed that you just lost a flap. :)
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I'd flipped on the film viewer because it was a N1K and screenshots of a Pacific marked 38, shooting down a Japanese bird look good.
It was no one's fault as there were a lot of planes in that mess. I just thought it a a nice chance to show how it can happen in the middle of a fight when no one is doing anything wrong.
It was actually quite funny to hit the gun button, wonder what the heck was wrong with my screen, figure out it was a plane going through my cockpit and have my flaps fall off :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I'd flipped on the film viewer because it was a N1K and screenshots of a Pacific marked 38, shooting down a Japanese bird look good.
It was no one's fault as there were a lot of planes in that mess. I just thought it a a nice chance to show how it can happen in the middle of a fight when no one is doing anything wrong.
It was actually quite funny to hit the gun button, wonder what the heck was wrong with my screen, figure out it was a plane going through my cockpit and have my flaps fall off :)
This actually happened to me before with Wetrat a few years back, I posted it on the BBS. We were actually both in the exact same spot, completely overlapped. From no view could you see the other plane. As soon as I pulled the trigger I was dead.
Zazen
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Killshot myself the other day as I was saddled up on a guy by myself, it was a first. Usually I'm hording when I killshoot myself.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Perfect example of when killshooter goes wrong. No fault, but penalty remains the same. Still, imagine what it would be like without it.
<---lost 14 kills in a chog today due to a n00b playing funny and coming through my plane...
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the kill shooter thing actually save my butt today...i was outnumbered in my 190, and got a yak and an la7 on my six. i dove and flatlined wide open across the water...the yak and la were 800 out blazing away (not very good shots though) when i suddenly see the tail of the la fly off and watch it spin up into the air. i was able to hold off the yak till help arrived though lol:D
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I had no clue he was there until I heard him firing.
By the way it was no cherry pick, that Niki had a ton of smash and was trying to run.
Zazen
1 Well then your SA sux, you should have heard known he was there at the ver least heard his engines.
2 ya right.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Zazen picking in a tempest.. hehehe status quo. For the record, I doubt zazen was unaware of your 38, he probably wanted the kill and didn't give a rat that you were saddled.
Yup, he nabbed 3 from me in one flight the other night. He was in a Tempest then too.
Watch from up high and swoop down guns blazing just as you finally saddle up from a hard-fought knife fight, then act totally clueless as everyone in the area is screaming at you to stop stealing their kills. Thats Zazen to a "T".
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Originally posted by john9001
i want friendly collisions on and killshooter off.
actually if friendly collides were on, he wouldn't have to worry about killshooter being off - the collide would have killed one of them 1st :)
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Originally posted by Treize69
Yup, he nabbed 3 from me in one flight the other night. He was in a Tempest then too.
Watch from up high and swoop down guns blazing just as you finally saddle up from a hard-fought knife fight, then act totally clueless as everyone in the area is screaming at you to stop stealing their kills. Thats Zazen to a "T".
Ya, as if anyone believes he didn't know what was going on.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Yup, he nabbed 3 from me in one flight the other night. He was in a Tempest then too.
Watch from up high and swoop down guns blazing just as you finally saddle up from a hard-fought knife fight, then act totally clueless as everyone in the area is screaming at you to stop stealing their kills. Thats Zazen to a "T".
Wow, sucks to be you I guess...I have no clue who you are, but if a skill-less, talent-less, picker, like myself can fleece 3 kills you've claimed as your own in one hop perhaps you have some greater issues. In today's AH of horde wars and survival of the many, killing quickly is paramount. Obviously, if you and some dude are isolated on the deck in a tight fisted circle jerk that's one thing and perhaps somewhat sacred from intervention. But, if you've selected one con out of several/many in a horde vs. horde area you had better kick his bellybutton right quick, or someone faster at killing, in a good position, with good timing is going to do it for ya.
I personally don't like any con's behind me, above me, or in my path of egress, so if someone is obviously not taking care of business in a timely fashion, holding up my progress, I will "help" him move on . ;) I've had way too many experiences in my many years of this of leaving a friendly with his chewtoy in a furball, only to have his toy kill him and end up on my 6 after I have engaged someone up the line. I didn't get to be the lame, skill-less, tard, dweeb I am by leaving much to chance or by being overly trusting of another's ability to finish the job...Especially in complex engagements where time is of the essence..
I have never, once, ever in my 17 years of this complained at someone killing a plane I was on. If someone can kill him faster, mores the better, there's plenty more where he came from, I'll just save my ammo and E for the next poor bastard. That next poor bastard may even be the same poor bastard as he'll be up in a few seconds looking for some payback...This really just trains people to not play with their food, in effect becoming finely tuned and efficient killing machines, which is what being a truly good furballer requires. If you want an environment where you can twist and turn and play with your food all day, a fast paced LW MA horde bang fest with 400+ people is probably not the right place for you...Just some friendly advice ;)
Have A Nice Day!
Zazen
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
1 Well then your SA sux, you should have heard known he was there at the ver least heard his engines.
2 ya right.
I don't recall hearing his engines specifically as there were lots of cons in the area, but I don't pull off a con I have a dead bead on just because I hear a motor nearby. If I think/know I'm in front I'm going to press the attack. There is hardly an Lgay7 driver out there that won't line up behind ya for an over-the-shoulder spray job on a con you're on.
Zazen
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Just to clarify, what I thought was clear in the initial post.
I didn't have any problem with what happened. I just thought it interesting that I happened to be filming it as it happened. No beef with Zazen or anyone else for that matter :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Just to clarify, what I thought was clear in the initial post.
I didn't have any problem with what happened. I just thought it interesting that I happened to be filming it as it happened. No beef with Zazen or anyone else for that matter :)
Yea, likewise Guppy. We talked about it after it happened on vox. It was just one of those things, the Niki was loose on his own, we just both went after him at the exact same time in the exact same position.
Zazen
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I understand the reason for killshooter, but there are other ways it could be handled. Instead of applying the damage to just your plane, you could apply it to both (which might actually discourage someone from cutting in front of your guns).
Alternatively, if you are worried about dweebs / spies shooting down friendlies, you could set a flag (warning - killed a friendly) the first time someone does it (in case it is an accident), and then if it happens again (dweeb/spy = yes), you boot them from the country.
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if somebody kills the bird im chasing.....it just means i didnt kill them quick enough.
examples:
1)I'm saddled up on a con shooting away in vain and Zazen swoops in and pops the guy just before i get another shot.
evaluation: NOT a kill-steal, i was too slow, swear at myself.
2)I'm saddled on a con and manage to blow his tail feathers off, and let the remaining parts fall to earth. Zazen swoops down and blasts the defeated con with his 4xhizookas, caliming credit for the kill.
evaluation: kill-steal, swear at Zazen.
any questions?
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Yeah, what ever happened to the piss up in London?
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Originally posted by Trikky
Yeah, what ever happened to the piss up in London?
lol, good question trikky!
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Whats not in the screenshots? The congo train horde behind the tempest and p38g.
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Originally posted by Fulmar
Whats not in the screenshots? The congo train horde behind the tempest and p38g.
Actually there wasn't. The N1K was off from the pack which made him a more favorable target for a slow 38G driver like me :)
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slow 38g? that one is a beast! I love to fly it and have others under estimate me in it. :D then the kill is more satisfying :aok
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
slow 38g? that one is a beast! I love to fly it and have others under estimate me in it. :D then the kill is more satisfying :aok
Shhhhh!!!!:D
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Originally posted by Soulyss
At that range, I'm impressed that you just lost a flap. :)
Yea i thought Corky's wing would've been gone. Corky how does this stuff always happen to you? You need to sprinkle salt on yourself and have a priest do an exorcism on you to remove bad luck. :lol
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hmm just part of a flap lost????... He landed a plane with more parts than usual then :aok
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Please no more laughs, the doctor says i'll die if a have any more, at which point my lawyer will serve you all with wrongful death subpeona's
P.S. When i was a kid i used to think subpoena was a dirty word, and found out it is. :rolleyes: :lol
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I found the link to where almost the exact same thing happened to me four years ago. Very relevant to this day on the flaws of the current "frag rules". If you look at Corky's picks our planes are actually overlapped, just like what happened to me back then. My propsal was a minimum threshold where the self-hit fragging occurs, like 100 yards
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75077
Zazen
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Originally posted by Trikky
Yeah, what ever happened to the piss up in London?
was it my idea?
im about as organised as a hibernating goldfish.
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The only people who practiced the true art of killshooting were the FDBs.
Screaming across the sky, every FDB busy blowing himself up by shooting at a squad plane... ah, the days of legend.
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Was there any radio communication at all?? I mean whenever I come up behind someone like that is to wing up on them and I will tell them that...communication is the key!