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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Yeager on May 31, 2007, 01:18:11 PM
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http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BF-1
Sounds like a great sci-fi read: Seven nuclear weapons detonating in seven American cities, hastening the end of western civilization.....
No talk about retaliation, who/what would you retaliate against?
Blatent fear mongering, maybe.
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"Williams reveals the alarming potential for nuclear terrorism on U.S. soil and the sinister connections among organized crime, illegal immigrants, and al-Qaida."
So, the author reveals potential and connections.
Probably will make big bucks for the publisher author and others.
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Would it be possible to aquire seven nuclear weapons, smuggle them into the US and detonate them?
What would be the result? Could the total destruction of seven cities and 10 million Americans in a single moment bring down the federal government? If so, what would the global impact be?
What should be the response to such an attack?
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Originally posted by Yeager
What should be the response to such an attack?
Well, you'd definitely want politicians crying real tears on TV and swearing that we'll hunt down the perps to the ends of the earth.
Then we'd need tighter gun controls on law-abiding US citizens, an increase in income tax rates for everyone making over $30K a year, mandatory 1 year in prison for failing to wear your seat belt and a $250 fine for your 5th DUI offense.
And last but not least, a public apology and huge reparations to any foreigner that claims the US has offened him in any way.
That ought to do it.
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Pffft...
6 Nukes during Ramaddam...
Mecca
Medina
Kabul
Bahgdad
Tehran
Damascus
Hell 75% of the problem is then solved...
Strike up a deal with Riyadh and Cairo and have Moscow and Beijing back off.
Include Kenya, Screw Norway...
:aok
Mac
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Originally posted by Yeager
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BF-1
Sounds like a great sci-fi read: Seven nuclear weapons detonating in seven American cities, hastening the end of western civilization.....
No talk about retaliation, who/what would you retaliate against?
Blatent fear mongering, maybe.
Maybe. I remember reading Clanceys Debt of Honor, the kamikaze 747 sounded like scifi until 9-11.:)
AWMAC:aok
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Originally posted by AWMac
Pffft...
6 Nukes during Ramaddam...
Mecca
Medina
Kabul
Bahgdad
Tehran
Damascus
Hell 75% of the problem is then solved...
Strike up a deal with Riyadh and Cairo and have Moscow and Beijing back off.
Include Kenya, Screw Norway...
:aok
Mac
Sort of like the WW2 conferences betwixt the big 3 but just cut to the chase?
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The Chase will last Hundreds of Years and many lives. We can shorten the time now but not limit the lives. In the long run there will just as many lives lost.
What do we do to end 635 AD to the Present confrontations between Islamic Extremist and Christians? Convert? My Arse...!!!
We are playing this War "Soft and Kind" and they are playing it "Hard and Brutal".
War is War...
Good start is asking anyone that calls on a Suicide Hotline if they can drive a stickshift and are willing to travel.
Our Prison System sux... send the CONs to Baghdad and Kabul pull some of the troops back a bit... Let the Cons go in.. WTF they got to lose? Give them a chance... 2 Years service per 5 Years in Prison... 10 Years per 20....Bargains...We're offering frikken Illeagals Amnesty... Why not Americans?
Get rid of the UN.. it's corrupt as Hell! Send them to France after they pay all the frikken parking tickets.
Rush the Mexico/USA Border with all the Tanks/Infantry....Protect our Border.. That'll open eyes. Guard our Borders.
If yer Illeagal, That's just that. Your pick on how you want to go back over the border. You swam here, yer swiming back. You crawled the fence we're tossin you back over.
Canada take a look... you're next.
I'm tired of the whining and nothing getting done.
If it comes to the hard watermelon then let's pull all Americans out from all the foriegn lands and let frikken France or Germany police the World.
Americans have been pisssed on, watermelon at, spit at and belittled, yet some catrastphe happens in the World we are there helping more than anyone else.
No MORE!!!
FUG U
Live in yer own filth, It's time we help JUST Americans!
Mac
Free America!!!
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Thanks Mac. Clear as a bell!
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<<<<~~~~ Throwing my hat in...
Vote Mac!!! Free America.
Here's my proposal:
I'm a write in Candidate on a third Party ticket... called: American.
1. We safeguard our borders, North and South, East and West.
2. Total elimination of corporate outsourcing. If you depend upon 3rd World Countries to do American work then you move to that dam Country...yer not American.
3. The UN is outta the USA... send these corrupt bassturds to France or where ever...just get them out, after they pay all their parking tickets.
4. American Education. College is open to all. No tuitions. If you make the grade you made it!
5. We are no longer the Worlds police force. Collect the funds due to the USA from Germany, France and everyone else and pay back to China. There is no longer a Favorite trade Nation. You want to trade with us it's straight across the board!
6. NAFTA is out.
7. All Ex Presidents are just that... Ex Presidents. So STFU.
8. We rebuild America. Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police deserve much more pay.
9. If you can walk, talk, spell there is a job out there for you. Revamp of the Welfare System.
10. In GOD We Trust is just that! It's Christmas... NOT Xmas, NOT Seasons Greetings.... There is no Separation from Church and State. You don't like it? Leave.
11. All Medical and Dental are paid from the Government. Got to look good and feel good. This is America.
12. Freedom.
This is my plan, my Ticket. I don't see either party with one yet.
I'm not rich, if anything I went from poor to maybe middle class.
I say raise your Country as you would raise your child. Hug it and Love it and never let go.
Vote for a Free America,
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
The Chase will last Hundreds of Years and many lives. We can shorten the time now but not limit the lives. In the long run there will just as many lives lost.
What do we do to end 635 AD to the Present confrontations between Islamic Extremist and Christians? Convert? My Arse...!!!
We are playing this War "Soft and Kind" and they are playing it "Hard and Brutal".
War is War...
Good start is asking anyone that calls on a Suicide Hotline if they can drive a stickshift and are willing to travel.
Our Prison System sux... send the CONs to Baghdad and Kabul pull some of the troops back a bit... Let the Cons go in.. WTF they got to lose? Give them a chance... 2 Years service per 5 Years in Prison... 10 Years per 20....Bargains...We're offering frikken Illeagals Amnesty... Why not Americans?
Get rid of the UN.. it's corrupt as Hell! Send them to France after they pay all the frikken parking tickets.
Rush the Mexico/USA Border with all the Tanks/Infantry....Protect our Border.. That'll open eyes. Guard our Borders.
If yer Illeagal, That's just that. Your pick on how you want to go back over the border. You swam here, yer swiming back. You crawled the fence we're tossin you back over.
Canada take a look... you're next.
I'm tired of the whining and nothing getting done.
If it comes to the hard watermelon then let's pull all Americans out from all the foriegn lands and let frikken France or Germany police the World.
Americans have been pisssed on, watermelon at, spit at and belittled, yet some catrastphe happens in the World we are there helping more than anyone else.
No MORE!!!
FUG U
Live in yer own filth, It's time we help JUST Americans!
Mac
Free America!!!
Before anybody calls you crazy, extreme, or insults you in any way....
Great Idea! Too bad we don't have the stones to do it. Americans need to quit fighting Americans. We need to pull together across this nation, face our threats and dangers together. Quit blaming, and fighting each other. Defeat our foes, help our friends and piss on the people who spit on us.
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Sick 'em Mac.
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Originally posted by Yeager
What would be the result? Could the total destruction of seven cities and 10 million Americans in a single moment bring down the federal government? If so, what would the global impact be?
if New York, Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Miami, Boston, Houston, and Los Angeles were to experience nukes at the same time or say within a week of one another, I do not think the US could survive. With the US falling into chaos as we imploded against ourselves, western civilization as we know it would quickly follow as the cheekboness would not stop with America - our allies would be targeted next. Radical Islam would win.
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Originally posted by AWMac
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8. We rebuild America. Farmers, Teachers, Firemen and the Police deserve much more pay.
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auto/truck mechanics deserve much more pay, we keep the wheels rolling.
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With Riyadh and Cairo behind us..
First of all Russia is NOT the Russia as before, They are in total decline as have been for several Years and Putin knows it. He talks the talk yet has the backing... make him play a card.
China is still strong yet there's a strong sense of Democracy amongst the younger generation. Offered Taiwon and China would back down. We can only defend Taiwon for so long. Small victory for China, a later large victory for America.
Israel takes a small back step, just keeping watch over Palistine...
We still have the Oil and the Suez Canal.
Venezuela is imploding as we speak. Castro almost dead.
All's down before 2012.
and fuel is down to $0.50 a gallon...
:O
Mac
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Originally posted by john9001
auto/truck mechanics deserve much more pay, we keep the wheels rolling.
I agree...and Cross Country drivers... whatever it takes to keep America Strong!!!
We NOW help each other!
:aok
Mac
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Originally posted by Eagler
if New York, Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Miami, Boston, Houston, and Los Angeles were to experience nukes at the same time or say within a week of one another, I do not think the US could survive. With the US falling into chaos as we imploded against ourselves, western civilization as we know it would quickly follow as the cheekboness would not stop with America - our allies would be targeted next. Radical Islam would win.
IF
If George Washington didn't cross the Delaware...
If Paul Revere didn't make that midnight ride...
If Francis Scott Key wasn't looking out as a Prisioner at Ft Sumner...
If Eiesenhower thought the weather was too bad for Normany...
If MacArthur never returned to Manilla...
If Kennedy thought we'd never make it to the Moon...
If Reagan thought the Wall would never come down....
Then where would America be right now?
Mac
Shall we lie down now and become submissive?
I am one American that will never submit to oppression and forefit my freedom. To do so admits LOSS of PRIDE!
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It is far beyond our time that America pulls itself up by the seat of the pants and says NO MORE!!!
We have our OWN sick and elderly...
We need to PROVIDE our own with health care...
We need to feed our OWN hungered masses...
We need to provide the EDUCATION to our own children...
We need to PROTECT our own Liberties and Freedoms.
Without this we will surely perish.
Mac
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Originally posted by Yeager
Would it be possible to aquire seven nuclear weapons, smuggle them into the US and detonate them?
What would be the result? Could the total destruction of seven cities and 10 million Americans in a single moment bring down the federal government? If so, what would the global impact be?
What should be the response to such an attack?
Answer to the first question IMHO is Yes. I can see them smuggleing in that many nuke devices.
Answer to the 2nd question is Yes as well...and we wouldn't retaliate in kind. You'd get that surge of patriotism and all for about a year...then as has been the case in that last few decades , the americans would lose thier will and start just like now to give up.
And finally...Yes to the goverment being smashed.
Global impact? We'd be no better off than some 3rd world start up democracy. China , and Europe would be the powers.
And finally.....I think this very scenario could play out in the next few years. Maybe not 7 nukes , but I can see 3 - 4. I think the terrorists have been and are continuing to make plans and if they haven't already to get nukes. I'll go so far as to say they prolly already have 1 or 2. No info to back up that claim...just a feeling.
It's not if.....only when.
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BE AFRAID!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzEtDJybpm8
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Originally posted by Yeager
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BF-1
Sounds like a great sci-fi read: Seven nuclear weapons detonating in seven American cities, hastening the end of western civilization.....
No talk about retaliation, who/what would you retaliate against?
Blatant fear mongering, maybe.
End of western civilization as we know it? Probably.
Look at all the fears and knee-jerk reactions following 9/11. The Patriot Act. The public support to invade Iraq (which people seem to forget they supported, or blame on being "lied" to... another subject...). The new procedures and practices put in place in the airline industry.... where babies and the elderly in walkers were serious threats to security.
Multiply that by 7 nuclear attacks in major cities. Not to mention the radioactive fallout and EMP blast effects on modern technology. The loss of most major media, entertainment, news,... server farms and nodal areas of the internet taken out... food sources contaminated. Water sources contaminated. Livestock dying. Crops dying.
....or even just 2 high altitude blasts above the east and west coasts for the EMP effect. Several hundred airliners crashing to the Earth all across the nation like random bombs. The national power grid overloading and shutting down. The loss of electronic information and many modern electronic enabled devices for over half the nation.
Add to that the resulting economic panic. World wide depression. Loss of political and economic leaders. A huge power vacuum would result, with many tin-god despots ready to fill the void for their own gain. Looting. Price gouging. Hording. The survivors and dying would overwhelm any hope of providing medical care. Long term health effects. Large portions of the population experiencing "shell shock" and thus rendered non-productive.
To try and regain control, you'd be looking at draconian measures on the part of surviving military and civilian government. FEMA and National Guard efforts hampered due to equipment shortages and the loss of many of their members in the initial blasts. A reluctance for people to work anywhere near the blast sites as part of the rescue effort. Forced labor being a possible result, as well as conscription.
Several of those cities mentioned are major ports, so international trade would be disrupted. That means disruptions in food and energy supplies, and that is if a probably falling dollar against world currency could afford to buy anything.
I'm also betting such a ground strike would take out the national power grid altogether. The grid is too fragile.... a house of cards in many respects... that much EMP at major sites would have a cascade effect from coast to coast.
If such an event happened during the winter, you'd have to add mass numbers of dead due to the cold.... lacking oil, gas, or electricity for heat.
Retaliation? I think the need for proof under such a scenario goes out the window. The need for vengeance would probably see judicious use of the nuclear stockpile against All the Usual Suspects.
The United States military could keep it a world power under such a future, but I doubt the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and many of our freedoms would survive other than as part of official propaganda. There would be just too many people calling to be protected at all costs, and accept what would come in the short term.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Answer to the first question IMHO is Yes. I can see them smuggleing in that many nuke devices.
Answer to the 2nd question is Yes as well...and we wouldn't retaliate in kind. You'd get that surge of patriotism and all for about a year...then as has been the case in that last few decades , the americans would lose thier will and start just like now to give up.
And finally...Yes to the goverment being smashed.
Global impact? We'd be no better off than some 3rd world start up democracy. China , and Europe would be the powers.
And finally.....I think this very scenario could play out in the next few years. Maybe not 7 nukes , but I can see 3 - 4. I think the terrorists have been and are continuing to make plans and if they haven't already to get nukes. I'll go so far as to say they prolly already have 1 or 2. No info to back up that claim...just a feeling.
It's not if.....only when.
Europe will never be a 1st World Power... Hell they can't decide on the Euro yet... Who will be a majority power in a combined Europe Nation?
France? LOL
Germany? LMAO
As if they trust each other.
Mac
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i don't think the Chinese would like 50% of their export market destroyed ( the USA), the Chinese are not "sensitive" like the Americans, to the Chinese, Mecca is not a holy site, it is a target.
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China will side up with the USA... Watch.
Mac
"Keep your friends close, Keep your enemys friends closer..."
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I wonder what the war planners in the Pentagon have drawn up? Surely they have created a detailed military response to a non-state religion-based nuclear terror attack against the US?
I say destroy the religion, all its holy sites and all states that are founded on Islam and based in Sharia law. Destroy that religion yes, but what about the after effects of the radiation? Would probably require 35-50 nuclear detonations and kill 350-500 million humans in addition to the 15-20 million dead Americans.
Would this scenario be the apocalypse?
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AWMAC you have alot of good points, but we live in a land of sheeple,dumb downed americans who just follow the masses. Look at the Quality programming we now have on TV, all reality shows no wonder America is where it is
Our boarders are wide open letting in all the trash that crawls in, All our ecomonic systems are over burdened, we the Americans are over taxed and have to work 60 hour work weeks just to live semi-comfortable then the blood sucking taxmen takes 38% of that.
I live in Oregon where i get Wallet raped twice thru state and fed taxes every pay check, meanwhile i watch illegals protesting for Equal rights under our Constitution, The Feds had the perfect chance to round them all up and deport them, but guess what they didnt. Illegals have no rights in this country, ya need to be an American to have those (what little rights that we have left)
Ugh i need a Drink this gets me so riled up when i think of all the People who have fought for our country and died I'm glad there not here to see what has become, :furious
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Originally posted by AWMac
China will side up with the USA... Watch.
Of course they will. By some accounts, the Chinese own more of this country than Americans do. China is a big time holder of our national debt, and has a sizable percentage of the banking and mortgages in America.
I don't think Ali Babba realizes that.
Originally posted by Yeager
Would this scenario be the apocalypse?
Cool! I'll get my football gear and feathers out of storage! Pound a few spikes through the end of my baseball bat, and I'm ready to roll!
Bring it!
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Russia is so afraid of the US siding with China. Putin is trying to raise Euro support to uphold his dieing Nation...
Who killed Russia?
Not Brez..
Not Andropov...
Not Gorby...
Putin did.
And Russia knows he did... He lost control of his Country.
Mac
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Don't take this wrong..
But it scares me to think you put these two ideas in the same statement, and don't realize that freedom contradicts your idiocy of no separation of church and state.
Freedom is american.
Religious freedom is american.
No separation from church and state is as un-american as burning the flag.
You need to figure this one out.
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Seven nuclear bombs I highly doubt it. I would have to say getting their hands on a old school Soviet Nuke is probably possible but I'd have a hard time beliving they could get seven.
Even if they did happen to get one would it still work? The Soviet Union broke up in 1991 that's 16 years ago. It's very unlikely that they made any new suitcase bombs after that. In fact any that are still around are probably 20 + years old.
So IMO probably the biggest reason they likely haven't gotten a hold of any nukes is simple because of their age. Even in the US the newest Nuclear weapons are 10 years old with a average age of 20 years.
Most of the terrorist nuclear threat is nothing more than fear mongering so our military contractors can make a bunch of money. I'd say at best they could build dirty bombs and launch a successful attack.
In the future with North Korea claiming to have nuclear weapons and Iran claiming to be close to getting them. Well then it might be a different story. However it will still take them both time to make small nukes.
For the US we built the Davey Crockett (http://www.brook.edu/FP/PROJECTS/NUCWCOST/DAVYC.HTM) in the 60's my Dad worked on them while in the military during Vietnam war era. (my name is no relation to the bomb or so I'm told :lol ). So anyway that's roughly 16 years before we made them small enough to be easily transported.
So any attack like that in the very near future is probably highly unlikely unless they used dirty bombs. In 10 years who knows.
Too bad Bush used up our army in Iraq so now we can't do anything about the real threats North Korea and Iran.
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*Sigh*
Youth is wasted on the Young...
Moot point Hero, NK has been shipping missles to Iran since 1990. US knows.
Have you ever spent time in Korea? Studied the culture or learned the language?
Are you old enough to hold this conversation without cutting and pasting?
Mac
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Are you old enough not to degrade the person you are having a conversation with?>
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Originally posted by MORAY37
Are you old enough not to degrade the person you are having a conversation with?>
Are you old enough to hold a intellectual conversation without spinning?
Prove me wrong.
Mac
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Yeager, NewsMax is part of the RNC. Anything you see there is propaganda. It's the mirror image of MoveOn.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Are you old enough to hold a intellectual conversation without spinning?
Prove me wrong.
Mac
First off, where's the spin?
Second, yes, but the other side kinda has to be intellectual for it to count
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CPID JB69 in Air Warrior...
WTF is that?
:rofl
Mac
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you guys crack me up....
"think of all the disruption anna nicoles death caused and then multiply that by millions!!!!! we would all go into a fetal position and drool out the rest of our lives!!!!"
noo... all that would happen would be we would lose a crapload of blue voters due to death and disgust.....
The people of the US would suck it up.. with a real disaster of this magnitude.. the things that make America great would come to the front. The people would get angry and... get to work.
awmac... so your solution involves a much bigger islolationist government with no cheap goods and higher taxes and no school or medical choice for Americans..
no thanks. You can dump the UN tho.. that is fine with me.
lazs
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Isolationism, while seeming to be rather nice is not workable in an industrialized society. In a purely agrarian 1800's style economy it is as long as you are willing to forgo all that is not indigenous to your own borders. That goes all the way down to food. Like coffee? it will be gone as will other foods you don't have grown here.
We cannot as a society survive in an isolationist environment. Too much of our lifestyle is based on a global economy with trade. Until you are ready to go back to the 1800's system and live on your own plot of ground, assuming there was enough arable land to allow the current population to farm that inefficiently and there isn't, you are just making noise.
The real trick is to figure out how to make everyone, including ourselves, realize that this is our only home for now and we all have to get along in order to make it comfortable and prosperous for the human race. Once we expand outwards, splintering into factions is doable, again with autonomous self supporting societies in their new location. That won't happen for quite some time.
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lazs
you do not think the country would quickly plummet into a depression it would not be able to pull out of?
I do. Once that happens with massive layoffs, unemployment, bread lines, riots .. we will implode.
You gun nuts would become very popular though with all your unarmed neighbors asking you for protection once the local police/national guard are overwhelmed...
I think it would put us in a depression that would make the 30's look like a pot hole .. with the difference being we are not the country of our grandfathers who were able to pull themselves up and out of it.
That is why imo we need to do whatever to make sure the scenerio could never play out.
1st step is to spank Iran - now & hard.
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Most of the terrorist nuclear threat is nothing more than fear mongering so our military contractors can make a bunch of money. I'd say at best they could build dirty bombs and launch a successful attack.
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This is probably the truth, but you NEED to make sure that you do not base your defensive posture on any particular scenario simply because it is highly unlikely. Never underestimate the abilities of those that threaten you, its a good way to end up dead.
Yeager, NewsMax is part of the RNC.
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I know, but I try to take in as much information as is available from as many different sources as possible. Even the bad rotten propoganda can serve a useful purpose when intelligently fused with all the other relevant data. The full spectrum if you may.
This book is obviously cooked, but it is based on a remotely possible scenario. It is a good thing to imagine all the different possibilities of a non-state nuclear attack on our country, however unlikely, and to develope a retaliatory response.
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United we stand ...divided we fall!!......people that migrate here don't give a Damn about the American way...they are here to make money and send it back to their countrys...then they leave.....they care about their own countrys not ours......thats why we are divided...Muslums,Mexicans,Latinos.......they could give a sheet about our culture...they care about their culture and how to implement it to our country. United we stand Divided we fall...our country is Dividing ...Fast
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Originally posted by Kaw1000
United we stand ...divided we fall!!......people that migrate here don't give a Damn about the American way...they are here to make money and send it back to their countrys...then they leave.....they care about their own countrys not ours......thats why we are divided...Muslums,Mexicans,Latinos.......they could give a sheet about our culture...they care about their culture and how to implement it to our country. United we stand Divided we fall...our country is Dividing ...Fast
My Mom's an immigrant. Granted, she married a serviceman to get here, but she's still an immigrant. Two of my Grandparents immigrated here from Ireland, and if you go back far enough, we're ALL the progeny of immigrants. Of course, they were all LEGAL immigrants and had a desire to naturalize themselves, I just want to make the distinction that immigrants aren't a problem per say, it's the illegal part that's the problem.
Assumig they're here legally, who cares what they do with the money they earn? As long as they come here legally and pay taxes like the rest of us, who the hell cares what they do with their money? It's their money.
Don't get me started on the issue of them hurting the economy by sucking up free services. I'm against those free services and see removing that as the way to fix that problem...
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Originally posted by AWMac
*Sigh*
Youth is wasted on the Young...
Moot point Hero, NK has been shipping missles to Iran since 1990. US knows.
Have you ever spent time in Korea? Studied the culture or learned the language?
Are you old enough to hold this conversation without cutting and pasting?
Mac
Judging from your lack of ability to actually debate a topic, with out trying to insult the person, I'm just going to have to take a wild guess and assume you are 15. That or you have the mentality of a 15 year old.
If you can find anything in my post that was cut and pasted beside the URL for the Davey Crockett (which I will assume you've probally never even heard of). Well, I'll give you two dollars so you can buy lunch at school on Monday.
Oh and I did a little "research" on the age of nuclear weapons we have here in the US. Sorry I didn't want to just pull a number out of my aruse, I figured it would be best to look that up being I knew they were pretty old but not exactly how old. Sorry I can't claim to know everything like yourself.
The number 10 came from a report. Now due to the fact that I managed to graduate high school and still remember something, I went ahead and rounded the number 19 up to 20 all by my self. Simply because I thought it looked a little better and I like even more than odd.
One thing I can ensure you, is that I managed to fully type out the four digits all by myself no cut and paste needed.
Now if you had a clue as to what this topic was about, you would know that anything North Korea has shipped in 1990 has pretty much no relevance on Nuclear Weapons. Simply because they didn't have nuclear capacity in 1990.
Your quote is like saying the US supplied Saddam with Nuclear weapons in the 1980's simply because we happened to start supplying Iraq with arms in the 80's.
The United States, France, China and the Soviet Union are the biggest arms dealers in the world. We make billions every year doing it, so I guess yea just can't blame North Korea for wanting to get in on the action.
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LOL, it is amazing how ignorant some people can be. Nothing like pulling out a soap box, and screaming a rant for other wackjobs to rally too...
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Yeager
This is probably the truth, but you NEED to make sure that you do not base your defensive posture on any particular scenario simply because it is highly unlikely. Never underestimate the abilities of those that threaten you, its a good way to end up dead.
Yes I understand that. There is no absolute way of saying they don't have seven nuclear bombs, I just find it highly doubtful. Simply because of the the reasoning that I posted about the age of the current nuclear stock pile that's left over from the cold war.
The US has to spend a hell of a lot of money every year just to make sure our weapons will still work. In reality being there is a ban on nuclear testing we can't even be 100% for sure that they will still work.
So when you look at the status of the Russian economy over the last 15 years. Well one could take a pretty good guess that their nuclear stockpiles aren't on the up and up.
I do believe they could have possibly gotten their hands on a nuke or two. After all the movie "Lord of War" was biased on a arms dealers whom was busted trying to sell a cold war era Russian submarine including the crew, to a drug dealer.
I mean hell if the guy came close to doing something like that, who could say they didn't sneak out any old warheads.
My argument is, mainly on the fact of the age and that the warheads that might not have been accounted for likely have not been kept in good shape. I'd guess at best they could be used for a dirty bomb.
Now of course if North Korea and Iran are able to continue down their paths, who knows what the tango's will be able to get their hands on in the future. Not to mention Pakistan whom is already a nuclear nation.
While Pakistan may not be a rogue nation it is in threat of turning into a more Radical Islamic state. Even that is years away for the point that the govt would erode enough that it might pose a nuclear danger to the US.
It's the entire reason I think Bush and co. were fools for pulling troops out of Afghanstan to go start some BS war in Iraq.
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It's the entire reason I think Bush and co. were fools for pulling troops out of Afghanstan to go start some BS war in Iraq.
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I would not have agreed with you on this point two years ago, but I am much closer to being in agreement with your opinion today. My whole vision of the United States has changed over the past few years, I still love my country as if it were my own blood, but I am seriously worried about this nation and the harm we are doing to ourselves.
Also, would it serve Putins Russia to let a few tactical nuclear warheads slip into the hands of a group intent on using them against the United States?
If yes, and say it actually ocurred, that millions of Americans died as a result of an intentional passover of nuclear weaponry from Russia to a terror organization, what should Americas response be, if any?
What if the passing of nuclear weapons was not sanctioned by the soviet government, yet still ocurred as a result of some lower level government official going rogue?
What would Clancy do?
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If a nuclear weapon were to be detonated in seven cities simultaneously, the backlash of American response worldwide would be horrific. I sincerely doubt the country would fall into irrecovcerable chaos. Instead, the mass confusion and other problems would be fixed. the entire US would for the first time believe we are in a war for survival. Kid gloves would come off, and you would see massive military response against the radical Muslim world.
Imagine. An American Military without kid glove restraint. A US that would come together like World War II.
In reality, I think the Radical Muslims would be foolish to attack us like that. If anything would force solidarity in this country, an attack of that magnitude would.
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Originally posted by Yeager
It's the entire reason I think Bush and co. were fools for pulling troops out of Afghanstan to go start some BS war in Iraq.
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I would not have agreed with you on this point two years ago, but I am much closer to being in agreement with your opinion today. My whole vision of the United States has changed over the past few years, I still love my country as if it were my own blood, but I am seriously worried about this nation and the harm we are doing to ourselves.
Also, would it serve Putins Russia to let a few tactical nuclear warheads slip into the hands of a group intent on using them against the United States?
If yes, and say it actually ocurred, that millions of Americans died as a result of an intentional passover of nuclear weaponry from Russia to a terror organization, what should Americas response be, if any?
What if the passing of nuclear weapons was not sanctioned by the soviet government, yet still ocurred as a result of some lower level government official going rogue?
What would Clancy do?
I don't think it would be in Putin's best interest nor do I think he would actually want it to happen. If for no other reason than it could be tracked back to them.
Which would bring down a harsh world backlash.
As far as Bush goes, I didn't like him from the start because as Gov he was responsible for the most death sentences in the history of Texas and on the same note he claimed to be heavily religious.
Regardless of that I gave him my support after 9/11 and up until he started making the case for war in Iraq.Once that happened, there was nothing left to support in regards to Bush.
Our country had world support after 9/11 even our enemies were behind us. We could have had a chance in that time frame to have so drastic positive changes world wide to stop terrorism and work with other countries, had Bush been a true leader.
Instead of leading he divided our nation and alienated our country from the rest of the world. When I look at Bush I see nothing more that a enemy of my country and what it stands for.
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eagler... bodhi has it pretty much correct.. the kid gloves would be off.. in WWII American journalists witnessed some pretty brutal stuff by Americas army.. they didn't report it and... when they did... the people said "great.. they deserve it."
7 blue cities with massive casualties? it would cause some economic problems but.... when have we ever had a depression we couldn't pull out of? if we have one so does the world.. No big deal.
as for the cities... maybe it needs to happen. maybe it will happen anyway.. many here see a rift that only armed insurection can cure in the U.S. between the blue and the red... a bunch of vaporized blue cities would give em something to worry about other than nannying the rest of us.
It could work out ok.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
eagler... bodhi has it pretty much correct.. the kid gloves would be off.. in WWII American journalists witnessed some pretty brutal stuff by Americas army.. they didn't report it and... when they did... the people said "great.. they deserve it."
7 blue cities with massive casualties? it would cause some economic problems but.... when have we ever had a depression we couldn't pull out of? if we have one so does the world.. No big deal.
as for the cities... maybe it needs to happen. maybe it will happen anyway.. many here see a rift that only armed insurection can cure in the U.S. between the blue and the red... a bunch of vaporized blue cities would give em something to worry about other than nannying the rest of us.
It could work out ok.
lazs
The only time I've heard anyone talk about a civil war between the blue and the red in regards to the US it was from a foreigner. So I dunno where the "many" people comes from.
In fact in regards to normal people, I never heard anyone talk about a sate much less a city as "red" or "blue" other than in reguards to the media during election time.
You should walk outside and step away from the internet every once and a while, reality is a whole lot diffrent out there.
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Crocket,
Can you elaborate why Bush is responsible for death sentences in Texas without having held a position on the bench or as a prosecutor.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Crocket,
Can you elaborate why Bush is responsible for death sentences in Texas without having held a position on the bench or as a prosecutor.
Because he was the one man whom could stop it or approve it. The acting Governor is the man whom signs off on the death sentence.
I read up on him quite a bit before the elections and while of course many of the people condemned to death deserved it. Many had mistakes in the trials and several had new evidence that had been found that should have granted them new trials or stays of execution.
Keep in mind I do not appose the death penalty, it is a needed asset in the tool chest. However I do appose the death penalty in any case where there is a shred of doubt.
Many of the cases that came across Bush's desk had more than reasonable doubt. I used to have a webpage bookmarked that reviewed all of the death sentences he signed off on. Many were reasonable and many were not.
Best I could find "with only little looking" was this article which reviews several of the questionable cases Bush signed off on.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17670
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In fact in regards to normal people, I never heard anyone talk about a sTate much less a city as "red" or "blue" other than in reguards to the media during election time.
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Theres plenty of red and blue in my neck of the woods. We even have militias out here ;)
You should walk outside and step away from the internet every once and a while, reality is a whole lot diffrent out there.
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You might want to try a dose of your own medicine. There are many millions of proud Americans who are armed to the teeth and yearning to feel important in history. All they need is a damned good excuse and the safety goes to off.
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Originally posted by Yeager
In fact in regards to normal people, I never heard anyone talk about a sTate much less a city as "red" or "blue" other than in reguards to the media during election time.
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Theres plenty of red and blue in my neck of the woods. We even have militias out here ;)
You should walk outside and step away from the internet every once and a while, reality is a whole lot diffrent out there.
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You might want to try a dose of your own medicine. There are many millions of proud Americans who are armed to the teeth and yearning to feel important in history. All they need is a damned good excuse and the safety goes to off.
Sounds like there are a lot of real bored people out there in your neck of the woods if that's the case.
Maybe they should take up paint balling or something. :lol
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Originally posted by crockett
The only time I've heard anyone talk about a civil war between the blue and the red in regards to the US it was from a foreigner. So I dunno where the "many" people comes from.
In fact in regards to normal people, I never heard anyone talk about a sate much less a city as "red" or "blue" other than in reguards to the media during election time.
You should walk outside and step away from the internet every once and a while, reality is a whole lot diffrent out there.
Crockett, as Yeager said, there is a considerably large group of people who are very feverent about their beliefs as it regards to our Constitution and the Ammendments. Frankly, I agree with Lazs, in that their are two sides that are on a collision path to open and armed conflict with regards to the way our rights are interpreted.
I will also go as far to say that the day anyone succeeds in passing a law that intends on doing away with private gun ownership in the US will be the day I will defend to the death against those that try to take my firearms.
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Crocket,
The governor of a state is not going to open a new trial for a convict. All they can do is to trust in the professionalism of the numerous judges and appeals the convict had with all of the trials. Deciding justice isn't really their job.
While it's not unusual to be upset with bush you ought to at least just hold him responsible for his own acts and things he is directly responsible for.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Crockett, as Yeager said, there is a considerably large group of people who are very feverent about their beliefs as it regards to our Constitution and the Ammendments. Frankly, I agree with Lazs, in that their are two sides that are on a collision path to open and armed conflict with regards to the way our rights are interpreted.
I agree, and that's a big part of why I'm desparate to see RP in the White House. He might be our last chance at peacefully restoring the Constitution.
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Originally posted by Yeager
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BF-1
Sounds like a great sci-fi read: Seven nuclear weapons detonating in seven American cities, hastening the end of western civilization.....
No talk about retaliation, who/what would you retaliate against?
Blatent fear mongering, maybe.
Mecca. Mecca would be gone before the last bomb had fully burnt out. No *****footing around.