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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Panzzer on June 02, 2007, 08:15:23 PM
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AvA rules of conduct..
Civil behavior is valued, and required, in this arena. Any violation of these rules can lead to muting or ejection. No warning of a violation is required before muting or ejection.
#1 Players should communicate in a way that is respectful of other players and HTC. Those who repeatedly taunt, flame, or abuse other players is not tolerated.
#2. Players are asked not to act as a back seat Moderator, Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to a CM's and or HTC's attention via email if one is not currently online.
#3 Cheating allegations or descriptions are not allowed.
Work in progress, we will be adding things as we see fit. The above ones have not met the HTC sign of approval yet. But I don't think those should be too hard to follow.
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If I may make a suggestion?
I was going to start a thread on this, but I'll put it here instead.
I noticed that when you log onto the AvA, a flyout screen describes the current layout of planes, countries, etc.
While I'm quite new to the AvA, it seems like most of the players there are trying to fly to a more sporting level. In fact, I saw Shifty and Oaktree let a fellow go after a fight last night, with one wing, because he fought a 2 v 1 so well. After mortally wounding the plane, but still not being able to close the deal, they let him rtb. That was pretty cool I thought.
So, I was thinking that it might be nice to put some sort of 'suggested' code of conduct in that flyout when logging on to educate new players logging onto the AvA for the first time.
What I suggest is something like:
1. While front quarter shots are perfectly valid, it is inappropriate to shoot an opponent in a head on or "HO" position at the merge.
2. Attacking enemy aircraft while on the their runway, or "vulching", is discouraged. Players are encouraged to allow opponents to reach 1000' prior to engaging.
3. Players should not shoot enemy chutes after an opponent has bailed from his aircraft.
I'm sure there are others, but these are some simple rules that are typically abused in the MA. These are things that are repeatedly complained about on the forums. Suggesting to folks to avoid these behaviors would really raise the level of play in the arena and make for a more enjoyable time for all imo.
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Originally posted by toonces3
What I suggest is something like:
1. While front quarter shots are perfectly valid, it is inappropriate to shoot an opponent in a head on or "HO" position at the merge.
What was posted is the black and white on conduct. We are still working on the "suggested" part of it. We cant take action on people for taking a HO shot. It was a valid tactic even though its not needed at times in the arena. Its all subject to someones opinion and a can of worms we will likely avoid.
2. Attacking enemy aircraft while on the their runway, or "vulching", is discouraged. Players are encouraged to allow opponents to reach 1000' prior to engaging.
Thats spot on.:aok
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Roger all.
What I'm suggesting is a 'suggested code of conduct' for the arena. Of course, one can HO to one's content in there with no official reaction. As a community, it might be worthwhile to put it out there and let the players decide whether or not to abide by those suggestions.
I bring this up only because the HO is so widely griped about. There are active posts within a few posts of this one, like the one about 1Duke1 muting someone who was griping about getting HO'd on 200, that perfectly exemplify what I'm talking about.
If you put it out there, and then the senior members of the community who are in AvA gently encourage folks to abide by this code, I think everyone would benefit.
To reiterate, though, I'm not suggesting there be any official, formal consequences for Ho'ing, vulching, or other bad form ways of play.
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I would like some more input from some more of the regulars before we post it. I agree with where you are coming from. I would rather fight it out then have a joustfest. But I have reservations about putting it out there as as something that can be interpreted as a rule by those looking for a reason to grief.
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Looks spot on to me.
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More "rules" to make "if you dont fly or act like we want your outa here" kinda place.
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i going to have to agree with the AvA staff here larry. they are not asking you to fly a certain way. they are trying to end all the whining going on in the AvA. just as slash has said there is no way they can make it a rule that ho shots are against the rules. so no i dont think they are making it a fly my way or the high way thing. just some rules to follow just as the MAs have.
P.S. still going to be there tuesday to fly with yas :D
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
i going to have to agree with the AvA staff here larry. they are not asking you to fly a certain way. they are trying to end all the whining going on in the AvA. just as slash has said there is no way they can make it a rule that ho shots are against the rules. so no i dont think they are making it a fly my way or the high way thing. just some rules to follow just as the MAs have.
Telling people how to fly will be next kils. As I said before in other treads ch.200 is a tuneable channel and if you dont like what your seeing get off of it. These "rules" are just trying to control how people act in the AvA. Seems to me like some of the CMs are on an ego rush. Looks to me like they are trying to run certain people out, but thats ok I cant wait to see the AvA I ghost town again. You guys have fun fighting your own squad members.
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Check out every Arena we have. what channel do you see everyone using as the community or public channel? 200.....every once and again you will find channel 1 enabled, but most times it is Channel 200.
So with that being the case, it is not possible for any Staff member, CM, or AvsA Staff to just "DETUNE" if they don't like what they see, or do not agree with it.......so TrueKill, my friend. If you are unhappy with what you see, then why can you not just "DETUNE", or even .squelch? you have told others this is what they should do, but you do not heed your own advice......
as for have a great squad and members in it, you JG54 guys , have wonderful squad cohesion and stand by your members, really got to admire that, simply outstanding. But look at it from an outsiders view who has been there. When you create a stink, or have a complaint, then say 2,3,4 or more squaddies jump in to back you regardless of what the original point may have been, people will jump on the band wagon, it becomes a squad verses the world, and no side wants to back down come hell or high water.
A certian staff member muted one of my squad members a long time ago, My squad member mocked some AvsA fliers who was whining because my Damned squaddie alone by himself was cleaning their clocks, as they whined, he returned it to them as a mocking of them, suddenly he was squelched and it was for 60 minutes, he never even got a warning no less......he never got an apology and he no longer plays this game......
so to tell you the damned truth, it pisses me off to see you sit on here and whine about getting muted, when it was your same squad that caused the episode to happen to my squad mate........
let the damned thing go, nothing good is coming from it, except making people who wonder on to these boards see what kind of tulips we all are in the AvsA and we all always have to complain about something just like every other freaking arena......
can we drop it now?
Good Day All!!
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with the above being said, I do not have any issues with the JG54, I enjoy flying against them and even with them when we are evening the sides.
I was just trying to make a point, wether I did or not well who knows. I do not and I am not trying to rile up an old fued or make anyone mad........
~SALUTE~ TK & JG54.....
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I like it. Just like the rules for the BBS conduct.
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Panzzer.
While I think your heart is in the right place, and I admire what you're trying to do. I think behavior standards should be more of a suggestion than a rule.
Putting suggestions down as rules will just lead to more tempers flaring. When folks new to the AVA drop in they're are liable to fly the way they see it done everywhere else they've flown. That could lead to accusations, complaints, and a flamefest against the new guy that unwitingly breaks the rules. Things like high angle attacks are always going to be refered to as HO's from the guy on the recieving end. I havent had a pure HO pulled on me in quite a while in the AVA.
I think everybody gets the idea that the regulars try and make the AVA a different enviroment from the MA's. We have our problems, and we have our differences, but I can't think of an AVA regular who has to resort to HO's or Vultching for a kill. When things like this happen it's usually a new guy who is unaware. Those guys just need to be told politely that we are trying to fly without those types of tactics. When regulars do it, it's usually in the form of revenge or a display of anger. That kind of behavior is up to the person himself. We all lose our temper, and none of us like to lose.
Our own personal behavior is really the only thing each of us need to be overly concerned with. If each of us would take care of that little item, a lot of this other stuff would be un-needed.
I'm afraid a set of rules would just lead to more and more complaints and accusations, and more work for you AVA staffers.
I'm for each and everyone of us doing our best personally to make this a better flying enviroment, and lighting up just a bit. We're here to have fun after all. You can only control yourself, and that in it'self will lead to improvement.
Just my two cents. :aok
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Originally posted by Grits
I like it. Just like the rules for the BBS conduct.
Yeah, we see how well THAT works. ;)
Seriously it would be nice to have a place where the atmosphere is a little more civil than the MA's. For the most part AvA is.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Seriously it would be nice to have a place where the atmosphere is a little more civil than the MA's. For the most part AvA is.
It is. There are fights and watermelon talkers on MA 200 all the time. ALOT more then in the AvA. Thats why I call BS on when new guy says they wont play there because of it. Every time someone says that they are pretty much saying they got thier arses handed to them and dont wanna play it again. Im thinking about giving Bug his wish and do what storch is doing (giving the AvA a break). Since Iv been back Iv been getting better fights in the MAs, 95% of the fights in the AVA these days are full of gangs and picks. So if I do stop flying the AvA you guys should be getting all the numbers back because the two biggest watermelon talkers are out.
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Originally posted by Shifty
I'm afraid a set of rules would just lead to more and more complaints and accusations, and more work for you AVA staffers.
Give that man a cigar.
Solid lines painted on playing fields cause plenty of bickering, you certainly don't want to paint blurry ones.
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I dont know why there is all the talk about rules for how you fly, the only thing in those rules is how you should treat your fellow AvA fliers. There is absolutely nothing in those rules about "do not HO or gang". Very simply, they say "do not disrespect others and there will be no problem".
If you cant abide by those first two simple rules (I wouldnt bother with #3) then maybe you dont need to participate in the AvA.
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Grits all theyre doing is trying to make it easier to mute certain people that they dont like. Simple as that. If those people say something that the CMs dont like then they mute them. Just trying to bully the sandbox and only letting thier friends in to play.
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Please TK, stop the poor innocent victim BS, you are neither innocent nor a victim. Why is it so hard for you to not disrespect people? Is it REALLY[/b] going to be that hard for you not to **** on people? I mean really, how hard is that going to be?
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Disrespect people? You mean like I was "disrespecting" bug last time I got muted?
Victim? You wouldnt know anything about that, your a CM buddie so you dont have to worry about it.
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Grits all theyre doing is trying to make it easier to mute certain people that they dont like.
I don't know much about your history with the AVA staff, but you and I don't have any. I don't need any rules to mute you or anyone else that is being a jerk. Judging by what is said in the AVA staff forum they are simply looking for a way to make public what they expect from players concerning behavior. In fact just the opposite is true Larry. They want some guidelines so they don't over step their powers.
I don't care if you believe me or not, but I would mute you just as fast as I would oldman, or even a squadie if you guys were being rude to other players and ignored my warning. Not everyone has it out for you or JG54.
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I've only been muted once in 4 years and that was in the MA and I deserved it. In the past though, I admit I have acted in ways that were not acceptable and did not get muted for whatever reason.
So, you're telling me you can stop disrespecting people?
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Originally posted by daddog
I don't know much about your history with the AVA staff, but you and I don't have any. I don't need any rules to mute you or anyone else that is being a jerk. Judging by what is said in the AVA staff forum they are simply looking for a way to make public what they expect from players concerning behavior. In fact just the opposite is true Larry. They want some guidelines so they don't over step their powers.
I don't care if you believe me or not, but I would mute you just as fast as I would oldman, or even a squadie if you guys were being rude to other players and ignored my warning. Not everyone has it out for you or JG54.
DD its a bad one. I even quit being a CM because I didnt like how some of them were treating others, and when I was one I was told to only mute someone if they were way out of control. I was told to warn them and if they didnt listen to mute them for 10mins. If they did anything else I was told to then do it for an hour. In my month or so of being one I only muted one person, who was talking about VWEs mother. After about 10misn of him trashing everyone in there I told him to please stop on ch1 then on CM ch. then I muted him. Those are the only times a CM should mute them, only if thay are way out of line.
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I had a couple long-winded replies to this thread but decided to keep it simple. I just can't believe that there are adults that have to have these kinds of discussions reguarding behaviour in a video game.
Any faith I had in the world, nay, humanity as vanished as quickly as the Internet manifested. Makes me feel absolutely filthy for working in the industry and keeping the packets flowing for a bunch of man-children.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some goat-on-goat porn to download. Jesus, I hate the Internet.
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Originally posted by Grits
I've only been muted once in 4 years and that was in the MA and I deserved it. In the past though, I admit I have acted in ways that were not acceptable and did not get muted for whatever reason.
So, you're telling me you can stop disrespecting people?
Iv only been muted twice in the 6 years Iv been playing. And yes I can be the nicest person in the game, but if someone else starts the trash talking Im not ganna sit back and let them. Ill say something back, that how I am if you think thats wrong then its to damn bad. I was always told to stand up for myself not sit back and do nothing.
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Originally posted by plank
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some goat-on-goat porn to download. Jesus, I hate the Internet.
What your sick!! Dog on cat is WAYYY better.:rofl
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Originally posted by plank
I had a couple long-winded replies to this thread but decided to keep it simple. I just can't believe that there are adults that have to have these kinds of discussions reguarding behaviour in a video game.
Any faith I had in the world, nay, humanity as vanished as quickly as the Internet manifested. Makes me feel absolutely filthy for working in the industry and keeping the packets flowing for a bunch of man-children.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some goat-on-goat porn to download. Jesus, I hate the Internet.
Aw come on, you know you can't wait until the next salvo is fired. Who you trying to kid with this goat on goat stuff? We all know you're a poultry man.
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Originally posted by plank
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some goat-on-goat porn to download.
You may have discovered a way to bring new folks to the AvA!
- oldman
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TK, it isn't about making it easier for us staff members to start muting people, it's about not having to do so. Well, actually I've never had to mute anyone, and as you should know I have had no problems with you or any of your squad. IMO most of the times a warning should be enough and I don't think anyone has been ever ejected from the arena.
Those points were meant to be a reminder (to us all) about civil behaviour. Sorry if you took those personally, weren't meant that way.
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I would not put any rules. Every one knows what the rules are for fights. Up to the to follow them. Making recomendations would just increase the whines.
Same goes for rules of conduct. Once you post them you will have to deal with people dicecting every word trying to justify why they should have not be muted or ejected. I say don't post them. leave it up to the staff members to decide.
Now, I seem to notice that no one ever things that they got muted for a good reason. I'd say that I have never been muted (warned a few times) in 5 years and I know I croos the line often. What I am saing is that if you got muted, you probably deserved it. Even if it means it was your previus history that caused it.
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Originally posted by Larry
And yes I can be the nicest person in the game, but if someone else starts the trash talking Im not ganna sit back and let them. Ill say something back, that how I am if you think thats wrong then its to damn bad. I was always told to stand up for myself not sit back and do nothing.
I used to have that outlook, but I have decided its not good for me or the community. It takes a bigger man to ignore childish behavior (which is what it is) than it does to "stand up" too it. Start being a man TK and ignore it.
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(Drum roll please)
The Great Glorious Gregarious Grits, having used the term in 3 posts, shall now, without benefit of net nor tether, and in no uncertain terms, clearly define the term - disrespect.
/ .unsquelch Grits
(Drum roll softens. The audience waits in uneasy silence, not wanting to watch but unable to turn away.)
(Cut to commercial)
Don't change that channel folks. There's more to come. Our next act will be the Precocious Panzzer nailing down the term "civil behavior" with one arm tied behind his back while blindfolded and hung upside down over a pit of ferocious griefers and fierce flamers.
(Geiko Cavemen get their cheek hairs in a twist)
And now back to the show.
(A spot light blazes to life illuminating Grits in all his Great Gregarious Glory, the drum swells briefly, the anticipation unbearable....)
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Don't change a thing. I don't see anything wrong with the AvA. I don't really understand the reason this is such an issue. I think some of us should thicken our skin. That'll be two cents please. :D
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Originally posted by KONG1
(Drum roll please)
The Great Glorious Gregarious Grits, having used the term in 3 posts, shall now, without benefit of net nor tether, and in no uncertain terms, clearly define the term - disrespect.
/ .unsquelch Grits
(Drum roll softens. The audience waits in uneasy silence, not wanting to watch but unable to turn away.)
(Cut to commercial)
Don't change that channel folks. There's more to come. Our next act will be the Precocious Panzzer nailing down the term "civil behavior" with one arm tied behind his back while blindfolded and hung upside down over a pit of ferocious griefers and fierce flamers.
(Geiko Cavemen get their cheek hairs in a twist)
And now back to the show.
(A spot light blazes to life illuminating Grits in all his Great Gregarious Glory, the drum swells briefly, the anticipation unbearable....)
Define "disrespect"
See above quote.
Thank you, and your welcome.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Give that man a cigar.
Solid lines painted on playing fields cause plenty of bickering, you certainly don't want to paint blurry ones.
very good point. Hadn't looked at it that way.
I guess I withdraw my support for my suggestion. It's just a game after all.
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Originally posted by toonces3
very good point. Hadn't looked at it that way.
I guess I withdraw my support for my suggestion. It's just a game after all.
Kong does have a good point Toonces3.
Better things stay as they are, than give us more things to argue about, or point fingers at each other.
The Staff does a good job IMO, no need to put more on their plate.
We all just need to be responsible for our own behavior. Both sides of the arguement have good points.
It's true some of us need to cool our jets on text buffers.
It's also true some of us need to quit being so hypersensitive about what's said.
Shadup and fly seems to be the best option for both sides. ;)
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Originally posted by plank
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some goat-on-goat porn to download. Jesus, I hate the Internet.
You from Florida sicko?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaYiCE6zaUc
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Originally posted by Slash27
You from Florida sicko?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaYiCE6zaUc
Goat-on-goat, GOAT-ON-GOAT, get your head out of the gutter!
Screw you Internet, screw you hard!
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LMAO! Mossy Head is less than an hour from me, its right by a track I ride motocross on. Drexel Gilbert is the local TV anchorhottie in Mobile which two of my three local stations comes from.
And no, I dont like goats.:noid
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This advice is not directed at any one person in particular..........
But this is how my mommy helped my TheBug bites feel aww better. :)
(http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/83000/200.jpg)
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She Devil just brings me a beer :)
I'm going to get you one of these days bug :D
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Originally posted by TheBug
This advice is not directed at any one person in particular..........
But this is how my mommy helped my TheBug bites feel aww better. :)
(http://pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/83000/200.jpg)
So you put that on your privates huh?
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Those crabs are a ***** huh?
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Hi all,
Panzzer, understand your point, respect it but I disagree.
I suggest you turn off 200 for one TOD. Turn off Dot Dar too. That would solve two issues in one strike.
Things will calm down. BB will return to be a place where you discuss new ideas, advertise plans, that sort of thing.
People will fly more, write less, discuss less.
More rules only leads to more arguments. For and against.
Set no rules. Let everything stay on each one's behaviour. Groups tend to reject who doesn't fit in. Just a matter of time.
Just my opinion.
Thank you
Sparow
249 Sqn RAF "Gold Coast"
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Flew in the AVA for the first time in a long time. Found 20 guys were on and got real excited. Have been growing weary of the MA antics for a while now.
In general found the guys there polite and courteous. Most wanted a good 1 on 1 with no HO. Had a couple real good rounds with MVJester, enjoyed flying with and against TCKflas.
I found it to be a great pleasure and real nice change from the MA's. I really home we can have 1 arena where sportsmanship and gentlemen like behavior sets the "rules". Tues night was like that, and it was great.
Tried again wed and found a different set of folks there. On wed the "rules were a lot looser, and a few guys announced their frustration re. HO's and gangbangs and left.
I really hope tues was the norm and wed the exception, will try again tonite and see.
I also must admit it took me a few minutes to "learn" the "rules", and recieved a scolding at one point. But I believe in the notion that when in Rome do as the Romans. Once I altered my mindset to the different "rules" offered in the AVA I was richly rewarded with some of the best 1on 1s ive ever had.
Looking forward to many more.
Also, to some of you more rigid types, what would it hurt to play alittle different in the AVA. If you dont want to fly the way the "Rules" state, there are the EW,MW, 2 LW's to fly by other "rules".
Lets all enjoy a refreshing change. An arena where sportsmanship and respect "rule".
Leave your ego in the other areans and come have fun for the sake of it.
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No written rules are going to change it.
In the end, it's the behavior of the people in the arena that set the tone. I've been in a few times lately and it's been good fun, with good fights and folks being respectful about it.
As long as the regulars don't get into "MA flyer bashing" or using the excuse that the "MA Tard HO'd me so I'm gonna do it back" excuse, the new folks will get the idea.
Play it the way you want other folks to see you play it. No one else can make you HO, gang or ack run. It's in your hands how you handle it.
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Originally posted by VERTEX
Flew in the AVA for the first time in a long time. Found 20 guys were on and got real excited. Have been growing weary of the MA antics for a while now.
In general found the guys there polite and courteous. Most wanted a good 1 on 1 with no HO. Had a couple real good rounds with MVJester, enjoyed flying with and against TCKflas.
I found it to be a great pleasure and real nice change from the MA's. I really home we can have 1 arena where sportsmanship and gentlemen like behavior sets the "rules". Tues night was like that, and it was great.
Tried again wed and found a different set of folks there. On wed the "rules were a lot looser, and a few guys announced their frustration re. HO's and gangbangs and left.
I really hope tues was the norm and wed the exception, will try again tonite and see.
I also must admit it took me a few minutes to "learn" the "rules", and recieved a scolding at one point. But I believe in the notion that when in Rome do as the Romans. Once I altered my mindset to the different "rules" offered in the AVA I was richly rewarded with some of the best 1on 1s ive ever had.
Looking forward to many more.
Also, to some of you more rigid types, what would it hurt to play alittle different in the AVA. If you dont want to fly the way the "Rules" state, there are the EW,MW, 2 LW's to fly by other "rules".
Lets all enjoy a refreshing change. An arena where sportsmanship and respect "rule".
Leave your ego in the other areans and come have fun for the sake of it.
Always glad to see happy responses.A large group of us use Vox channel 231(it's fun talking to the guy your shooting at) and we generally have a really good time.Hope to see you in there again.
:aok
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Originally posted by VERTEX
Flew in the AVA for the first time in a long time. Found 20 guys were on and got real excited. Have been growing weary of the MA antics for a while now.
In general found the guys there polite and courteous. Most wanted a good 1 on 1 with no HO. Had a couple real good rounds with MVJester, enjoyed flying with and against TCKflas.
I found it to be a great pleasure and real nice change from the MA's. I really home we can have 1 arena where sportsmanship and gentlemen like behavior sets the "rules". Tues night was like that, and it was great.
Tried again wed and found a different set of folks there. On wed the "rules were a lot looser, and a few guys announced their frustration re. HO's and gangbangs and left.
I really hope tues was the norm and wed the exception, will try again tonite and see.
I also must admit it took me a few minutes to "learn" the "rules", and recieved a scolding at one point. But I believe in the notion that when in Rome do as the Romans. Once I altered my mindset to the different "rules" offered in the AVA I was richly rewarded with some of the best 1on 1s ive ever had.
Looking forward to many more.
Also, to some of you more rigid types, what would it hurt to play alittle different in the AVA. If you dont want to fly the way the "Rules" state, there are the EW,MW, 2 LW's to fly by other "rules".
Lets all enjoy a refreshing change. An arena where sportsmanship and respect "rule".
Leave your ego in the other areans and come have fun for the sake of it.
The 'unwritten' rules of AvA have caused more whines, arguments, and chaos in the arena, more so then MA even though we have smaller numbers. Depending on who's in arena for that day, these rules are interpreted differently among those in the community. A 'new comer' to the arena finds one day it's ok the next day it's not and of course if player has the misfortune of meeting a regular or worse a 'new comer' who is vocal that thinks they know what the unwritten rules are we end up with a unpleasant situation in the arena which eventually spills out on the BBS. This chaos has given the AvA a bad reputation. All we ask for those participating in the AvA is to be respectful to other players in the arena, especially if you think someone has broken the 'unwritten' rules.
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My personal rules
#1 it's not about the land grab it's about air to air combat
#2 no vulching
#3 no HO'ing
#4 no gangbanging... if it's 2 V 1 they've got it handled
#5 unless a friendly is in trouble stay out of the fight if it's a 1 v 1
#6 the guy who killed you unless it's in direct violation of the previously stated
#7 laugh at yourself when you die.. encourage others to laugh with, and this is important, WITH you not AT you.
#8 be respectful of everyone in the arena even if they are a HO'ing, gangbanging, vulchtard.
#9 take trash talking to pm's unless you're trying to be funny and it's obvious
But those are my rules for me. I wouldn't dream of attempting to force my thought of right and wrong on someone else other than using a healthy stream of bullets into their cartoon airplane :D
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the whining in AvA on Wed night was unbearable. Tonight (Fri) was pretty bad too.
I'm gonna just de-tune 200 from now on an use PM to salute folks after a good fight.
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Originally posted by toonces3
the whining in AvA on Wed night was unbearable. Tonight (Fri) was pretty bad too.
I'm gonna just de-tune 200 from now on an use PM to salute folks after a good fight.
Toonces3, if you can, try and get out on Tuesday or Thursday night usually a pretty decent crowd on those nights.
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what? and It wasn't storches fault? say it ain't so!!!! when ever you get competetive people in a competition elbows will fly, hits will be exchange and taunts will be traded. the skirt wearing ava staff is simply a collection of hens busily clucking away at the typical outcome of a cockfight. go and click the link on the Redd thread in the O' club, you may find some useful information there.
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Storch said:
the skirt wearing ava staff is simply a collection of hens busily clucking away at the typical outcome of a cockfight
Actually, it's Soda who wears pumps and a mini, but on Thursday nights he puts on his 4" 'ho' heels. But it's rumoured that some staffers wears a thong for the AvA Tuesday night fights.
I only wear black knee-high skirts with flats, but after a few beers, I'd doubt you'd know the difference. :D
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So, gave up the school girl outfit fork?
Crying shame ;)
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More like Crying Game .:D