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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Bodhi on June 04, 2007, 01:06:03 AM
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I am not sure any of you have had the displeasure of dueling with Skyrock or not, I did tonight.
He was running at the lip as usual in the MA, and I listened pretty much afar until I had made a comment over 200 to someone else. Anyways the usual Skyrock taunts started and I finally agreed to duel.
He finally showed up to the DA, and first aircraft choice was mine and I chose the Spit I. We chose a cold "no climb" merge with 25% at 15K. First thing I did not pick up on was that he dove under the merge, anyways, we twisted and turned till I finally inverted and flat spinned into the ground,
Skyrock 1 Bodhi 0
Next Aircraft was to be a Spit 9 as chose by Skyrock. We again chose the same settings, and again he dove under the merge, not by much this time, but again, by enough to be noticed when you have your autopilot set at 15 k. Well, we twisted and turend, and in the end I gained the advatage and he spun into the ground...
Skyrock 1 Bodhi 1
Now, I again tell him we merge cold at 15 K not above, not under, and I choose the F4U-1D. This is also again explained that the aircraft pass before climbing or diving. We again merge, and yet AGAIN, he tries to dive under.... I am sick of this so as he passes under, I give him a good squirt. He gets peeved and basically calls me all sorts of insults and the hoopla.... Meanwhile he is gliding to earth with a dead engine and lotsa parts missing courtesy his redundant cheating.....
Skyrock 1 Bodhi 2
Frankly I am tired of listening to this individuals constant taunts to others, constant berating of others, and constant acting like a 12 yr old. Anyways, if I was computer savy enough, I could probably figure out how to save films and post screen shots. I am sadly so computer unsavy that I can not, but I am sure most here get the point regarding this individual.....
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Interesting. I have always been under the impression that you are free to dive into merge once icon range is established. I apologize if I have been misinformed all this time. Congrats on your kills.
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HO twit weakly complaining that I dove which is a lie, I was 100-200 feet under him but flying level which meant he had the advantage, still he shoots on cold merge. Here's the film read the text as well.http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180937603_film768.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180937603_film768.ahf)
Check out his speed at 383 and Im at like 320 what a whining puss this loser is! :rofl
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Apparently you were over 300 - 400 below our agreed on alt... plus you came in low!
You are a liar based on what we agreed on Skyrock, plain and simple. Remember, 15k, cold merge, not above, not below. You agreed to it in all three fights. Yet you chose to never follow it. You're style is to cheat, berate, and genrally be abusive, both in the MA and in the DA. You are a sad specimen of the human being.
As for the collision, it is basically simple... PICK a side and go for it. I have dueled plently and these rules aren't too hard too follow. Obviously it is for a cheating liar like yourself.
Enjoy it... Bodhi 2... Skyrock 1 ( and you cheated all three times ) :lol
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THis is the spit one where he "won" LMAO! again check the speed and see who was having the great "cheating advantage! lolhttp://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180938807_film767.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180938807_film767.ahf)
Lucky I avoided shoot his ownt arse and in process snap rolled into ground.......he wins!!!!! LMAO at weak punk!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
THis is the spit one where he "won" LMAO! again check the speed and see who was having the great "cheating advantage! lolhttp://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180938807_film767.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180938807_film767.ahf)
Lucky I avoided shoot his ownt arse and in process snap rolled into ground.......he wins!!!!! LMAO at weak punk!
Wow, you were again below the prescribed alt... apparently cheating is a way of life for you.... you're pathetic :lol
Night loser
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Bodhi owns Skyrock?
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Most of the people in Aces High Agree with ya Bodhi.
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Originally posted by Furball
Bodhi owns Skyrock?
Furball, Ur an idiot for backing this obvious loser punk. YOu know the rules in the DA, I tried to accomadate his weird merge request as best I could, If I was below 15 k by 100 feet then it wasnt intentional and there was absolutely no advantage gained by it as I had roughly a stable speed and on the hog merge and he was 200 feet above me and 60 mph more, to me that would give him the advantage. He got ownt in the flying department and is a puss weak punk for whining in here on the boards about 100 feet either way! Just as his callous disrespect about my deceased mother on 200, he is scum whiney punk in my book and a feminine fighter at best! You know good and gawdrn well after vis, diving or climbing is completely acceptable to everyone except this weak bait who is a skilless HO twit at best! Now, if your just baiting a hook to get rise out of me, tehn go bark up a tree. I have never cheated in this game and find it very insulting that a Piece of garbage like this weenie would come on here and accuse me of cheating when film shows I had absolutely no advantage on him in any merge! If I wanted teh advantage I would have come in above 15 instead of under it, as I was flying completely level. Also, you noticed he never offered to let me pick merge and alt because obviously he cn't handle a fair fight, especially when he is getting completely ownt every duel! He is now in category of Storchita the whiney coward of AH! :aok
Mark
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I have yet to duel a experienced stick who does not fight for the bottom when merging. It was the first rule of thumb when I learned. The fight starts @ vis. As far as I could see nobody won or lost, someone just doesn't know how to merge correctly. Skyrock wasn't the one being retarded.
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Fight Fight Fight Fight.........:p
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Originally posted by Dadano
I have yet to duel a experienced stick who does not fight for the bottom when merging. It was the first rule of thumb when I learned. The fight starts @ vis.
Bhodi is a scared lil punk worried about 200 feet even when he has alt and speed! He is the epitamy of a whiney scared lil punk!
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Originally posted by Bodhi
and in the end I gained the advatage and he spun into the ground...
Skyrock 1 Bodhi 1.
what a fat Lie! LMAO I owned your 6 so bad I nearly rammed you and snaprolled into ground avoidramming you! Again your moronic falsehoods about what happened are evident in the video. YOu never had an advantage on me! What a weak liar you are! and your weak merge at exactly 15k is the most weeniefied duel rule I have ever been apart of. It is common knowlege that after vis, in, you can attack at any angle you want to. This is the biggest Lie/Whine thread I have ever read! :rofl :lol :rofl
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Bohdi arent you supposed to dive for an angle on the merge?
I mean thats how I was taught...
Doesnt the FIght start at icon range?
Just curious..
and BTW bodhi by Trying to publicly humiliate someone does not make you better than that person...Just makes you look as foolish....
If trying to Show up skyrock is the purpose of this thread, I see no reasoning behind it...it is also not somthing I would expect from you nor any of the other BK's...
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Never heard of anyone merging with those 'rules'... seems very strange. 1 or 200 feet either way isn't going to give anyone an insurmountable advantage.
That said, I agree that skyrock's tirades are a bit much, and he more often than not makes himself look like an idiot. In fact, the way he's addressing this thread is doing just that (though this thread is retarded in general). Regardless, I don't really care; you all ought to take most things said over the internet in jest. You don't know if people are saying things with a chit-eating grin on their face, or are completely red and have veins popping out of their forehead -- just let it slide. If you can't do that, or just aren't in the mood for it, .squelch works wonders. I've squelched skyrock (and other muppets) when I'm in a pissy mood and just don't want to hear it, or the GF is in the room (muppet vox gets... colourful, at times). That's what the .squelch command is there for.
Lighten up, gents. We're all here to play cartoon airplanes. I'm sure (well, I hope) you all have more important things to stress about.
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wetrat speaks truth.
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The next time you duel him SkyRock, which probably won't happen, let him have the controls to your plane so your plane will do exactly what he wants. I dueled him once with the same outcome. By not letting him control my plane and not merging within +/- 15,000.0005 feet. I am a cheater :cry I myself have dueled plenty of others and have never had this complaint. It was always my understanding that as long as you didn't go over the agreed alt. before the merge. All is good. Being that alt. is E, he's giving you the advantage. But wtf do I know.
Good Day :aok
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That's why I like to duel at ground level. I thought we all agreed that a 3k merge was almost standard.
I have dueled skyrock many times and never had a problem with his bs. Always had a good time even when he had a shade account and called me out on 200. We got to the da and tuned into vox channel and recognized his voice.
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I have one thing for the those that do not agree with the duel rules. If you do not agree with them, don't agree with them.
Skyrock, you agreed to the rules. You broke them. Simple enough. The only reason I asked for those rules is that I have heard from numerous people that you climb way above the prescribed alt only to dive in for the fight. Simple enough, I ask for a 15 k cold merge, not above, not below to prevent this... you obviously could not follow a simple rule.
Where I grew up, your word was everything, and if you did not have that, you were a cheat or a liar. I wonder if it would be the same if we had shook hands, would you be crossing your fingers behind your back? :rolleyes:
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Looks like a couple of SQUEAKERS minus the SQUEAK.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
HO twit weakly complaining that I dove which is a lie, I was 100-200 feet under him but flying level which meant he had the advantage, still he shoots on cold merge. Here's the film read the text as well.http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180937603_film768.ahf (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180937603_film768.ahf)
Check out his speed at 383 and Im at like 320 what a whining puss this loser is! :rofl
The link is borked....
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IN before it's closed!
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So, is this another version of the "my internet noodle is bigger than yours" type of thread?
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Come on guys does it really matter which one of you pwns in a internet cartoon airplane game? You're both good sticks no one will denie that. But come on this thread has run its course....
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its a game good lord, who cares? its true he agreed to the rules, but if they are so retarded he cant follow them its not his fault then lmao, thats like trying to repaint the mono lisa with a moneky vs davinci it just wont happen, 100/200 feet is normal error room anyways aint it? it is rather difficult to keep two planes at the EXACT same alt for a long time, 100 200 ft isnt that big of a gap in the avaition world at all
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I have to agree with Skyrock. Not only does 100 feet not make a noticeable difference, but it's so small that it's almost certainly unintentional. And you did appear to have a significant energy advantage over him. My advice for you is, next time, try to set up a better merge, with both of you having equal energy , and then approaching the merge however you each see fit.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Looks like a couple of SQUEAKERS minus the SQUEAK.
is it a flok of 'Ers?!:huh :confused: :O :D
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These are reasons I don't go to the DA....
But he was 700 feet below him.... :D
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DA.. this part of the internets version of armwrestlig.
This thread explains why i havent bothered with the DA for years.
"My d*** is bigger than yours..."
"no you cheated you haxxor wuss...."
"no i didnt.."
"yes you did..waaaaaa" :D
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Are you really that concerned over a 200 ft difference in alt?
Besides, trying to be underneath your opponent at merge is what you should be doing.
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I posted these posts right after this happened. I admit I was ticked off by the complete stupidity of the reason I was being called a cheater. I mean the guy said 15k, so I level at 15k and when he said vis, and I said vis, I dove towards him on the merge which is the way every person I have ever met in game does it. SO he shoots me in the face and says, "You dove and your cheating" I was baffled and said do you mean stay at exactly 15 k as we pass? He said yes. So the next one I try to stay at exactly 15 k as we pass and I ate his lunch so bad he augered into the ground. Np problem I said good fight. We go again in spit 9's and again I eat his lunch so bad that I get anxious trying to kill him from 100 out his six and snaproll into the ground. gf the third time we meet in hogs and and again he shoots me in the face and says I dove, which is a lie, I was flying level on autopilot(although from my mistake it was at 14,800 instead of 15,000 which I didnt think mattered as he would have the adv there anyway). He then says that he is disappointed in that I was a loudmouth on 200 but a cheater in the DA. I think bodhi has some sort of an issue about dueling and doesn't really understand that just because someone can't exactly be at 15k when they meet it doesnt mean they are trying to get an advantage. I have never had a problem with anyone in the DA and have dueled the very best sticks in this game. I would never need anyadvantage to totally slaughter him in any plane. Like it really matters anyway. I usually have a great time in the DA but to get called a cheater because I was flying at 14,900 level and not 15,000 is just whiney and cheap! I guess after he got completely owned the first two, he needed an excuse. Just the fact that he set up those ridiclous rules about staying level at 15k til we passed should have been a warnign sign that I was trying to be a gentleman with an excused filled whiner boy. I have the film and if anyone wants to see(how bad I was cheating...LMAO) just PM me!
Peeps I have dueled and never been called a cheater:
Leviathn
Stang
NathBDP
WildThng
Furball
WetRat
FX1
SHawk
Dedalos
TW9
Fester
Kappa
Platano
KillnU
WideWing
Sniper
Bovidae/Phish/airvent
ManeTMP
Estes
Creton
Wadke
YUCCA
Mudr
Pellik
Biggles
Sonic23
HuskyElks
Souless
Danodano
ElevenK
Steve
Mars01
Goosech
WarKat
Madniki
Mustaine
Dextur
WarlockL
Numb
Hemp
and way too many others to list.
I do not cheat to gain advantage in the DA, I honor the DA and try to set up equal fights as I do not want an advantage when I am dueling!
Mark
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Originally posted by Nilsen
DA.. this part of the internets version of armwrestlig.
This thread explains why i havent bothered with the DA for years.
"My d*** is bigger than yours..."
"no you cheated you haxxor wuss...."
"no i didnt.."
"yes you did..waaaaaa" :D
Nilen, You guys that bring up the Phallic test quotes are soo off base with how 99% of the DA fights go. I do not DA to say, "I told you I could beat you!" after a duel, it usually ends with a "gf". I fight in the DA because I love dogfighting and that is a place where one on ones can be set up with gentlemens rules with no interference! Even when I go in there after a 200 purse fight to duel someone, it usually ends up in me acquiring a new friend! The DA is a fun happy place to most of us!
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Im on the list!:D
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Again here is the one in F4u's, notice how I am 200 below him and level but 50 mph slower. Now how in the F is that trying to get an advantage? :rolleyes:
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/...603_film768.ahf
I will however let this go and I do appreciate the fact that he went to the DA in the first place. for that
Now if some of you BK's could fill Bodhi in on how duels are fought in the DA it might help the next person he goes in there with and save them the time and humiliation of being called a cheater on the BBS!
Thank you!
Mark
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Hey Skyrock, get your lazy tail in Blue Sky sometime. I generally host every other day for about six hours, starting at about 2:00 p.m. E.S.T. Actually, since you seem to be on the board now, I'm throwing the server up now. Come on in!
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Hey Skyrock, get your lazy tail in Blue Sky sometime. I generally host every other day for about six hours, starting at about 2:00 p.m. E.S.T. Actually, since you seem to be on the board now, I'm throwing the server up now. Come on in!
OK I got a few I could duel some! :aok
Mark
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Hmm, if you can't get in, just holler. I just made some changes to my router settings yesterday and I've yet to test them.
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I assume you can't get in. I'll do some more fiddling and get back to you.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I assume you can't get in. I'll do some more fiddling and get back to you.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Hmm, if you can't get in, just holler. I just made some changes to my router settings yesterday and I've yet to test them.
Its in 8 player right? and what name is it?
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Originally posted by Husky01
Im on the list!:D
:noid
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Its in 8 player right? and what name is it?
Yes, it's eight player. It's called Blue Sky: Maximum Realism. I'll throw it back up right after I finish this post.
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wouldnt let me in!
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Bummer! All right, we'll have to try again later. I'd tried reducing the number of ports to two, as recommended in a thread in Free Multiplayer. I guess it doesn't work on all routers.
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Dont do it skyrock its a trick (: Benny will vulch you and pwnd you in the ground.....
Benny room is about as close as you can get to the old none kill shooter DA.
I think its time to open up the full plane set benny if you can get a couple good sticks in the room.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I have to agree with Skyrock. Not only does 100 feet not make a noticeable difference, but it's so small that it's almost certainly unintentional. And you did appear to have a significant energy advantage over him. My advice for you is, next time, try to set up a better merge, with both of you having equal energy , and then approaching the merge however you each see fit.
if bodhi had a significant e adv it means one of two tings, possibly both...
1. he climbed above teh alt out of icon range and dove down to merge alt with that hidden speed.
and/or
2. skyrock is a throttle-chopping merge weenie.
not that it matters, but the usual RoE for DA fights are:
1. determined alt cap, not to be exceeded until icon is acquired.
this means is say, 6k agl is agreed upon, one shouldn't go above that alt until icon is acquired. this prevents #1 from the above duel possibilities from happening, and it ensures that until icon is acquired, both have comparable e-states.
2. after icon is acquired, anything goes except... firing before the actual merge (planes pass).
now #2 means that when icon is acquired, you can climb, dive, turn, do whatever... most better pilot will try and get under the opponent for 2 reasons, first being that you'll generally have more speed, hence, e to do whatveer comes next, and secondly, going under allows you to more quickly reacquire the target in your rear up view and react accordingly.
now, bodhi has been around almost forever, i find this whole thread thoroughly amusing.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Now if some of you BK's could fill Bodhi in on how duels are fought in the DA it might help the next person he goes in there with and save them the time and humiliation of being called a cheater on the BBS!
Thank you!
Mark
Duels are fought according to agreed upon rules. You agreed a cold merge at 15k, not above, or below. Those were the rules, and you broke them... make your own conclusions from there.
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Originally posted by FX1
I think its time to open up the full plane set benny if you can get a couple good sticks in the room.
Yes, I will do that, but only for duels.
Originally posted by Shane
if bodhi had a significant e adv it means one of two tings, possibly both...
1. he climbed above teh alt out of icon range and dove down to merge alt with that hidden speed.
and/or
2. skyrock is a throttle-chopping merge weenie.
Or Skyrock didn't have enough time to get all of his speed after the climb. Or Skyrock had to turn fairly hard in order to be facing Bohdi in time for the merge.
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Not on the list:(
Fine:furious
cheater:D
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when you merge you should be at equal altitude, not plus or minus 200 feet guys. Being at no advantage prior to merge is part of the challenge. Get with the program.
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Originally posted by Shane
if bodhi had a significant e adv it means one of two tings, possibly both...
1. he climbed above teh alt out of icon range and dove down to merge alt with that hidden speed.
and/or
2. skyrock is a throttle-chopping merge weenie.
not that it matters, but the usual RoE for DA fights are:
1. determined alt cap, not to be exceeded until icon is acquired.
this means is say, 6k agl is agreed upon, one shouldn't go above that alt until icon is acquired. this prevents #1 from the above duel possibilities from happening, and it ensures that until icon is acquired, both have comparable e-states.
2. after icon is acquired, anything goes except... firing before the actual merge (planes pass).
now #2 means that when icon is acquired, you can climb, dive, turn, do whatever... most better pilot will try and get under the opponent for 2 reasons, first being that you'll generally have more speed, hence, e to do whatveer comes next, and secondly, going under allows you to more quickly reacquire the target in your rear up view and react accordingly.
now, bodhi has been around almost forever, i find this whole thread thoroughly amusing.
LMAO! Shane hit this one on the head! Of course I'm only a throttle chopping merge weenie when I know I'm fighting another throttle chopping merge weenie! hee hee by the way, I didnt chop throttle as I was flying level at what I though was 15k but apparently it was 14,800! lol
But the 2 statements he made about dueling are the only acceptable and fair way that duels are fought in hte DA. All the vets know this and I have never had a complaint about it by anyone! Oh and I left SHane off the list, and he is an excellent dueling competitor and very respectable about helping if he can. I consider him one of my mentors!
Mark
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Originally posted by Shane
now, bodhi has been around almost forever, i find this whole thread thoroughly amusing.
If it's been that long, he would know by now. Sounds like back to the Training Arena. :aok
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Yes, I will do that, but only for duels.
Or Skyrock didn't have enough time to get all of his speed after the climb. Or Skyrock had to turn fairly hard in order to be facing Bohdi in time for the merge.
Actually, that is exactly why I wasn't at exactly 15k when we met, I had to turn slightlyto meet him and I guess I dropped 200 feet in the process.
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Originally posted by Bucky73
Not on the list:(
Fine:furious
cheater:D
oh, forgot:o bucky73
and Slash27
and NKL5
and Parin
and MtnMan
and Gooss
and vanscrew
and Betty
and Schatzi
and Ka1e
and aka
and GRIM
and geesh! WHo in the hell haven't I dueled, the list would be easier to make of those I haven't dueled!
:aok
Mark
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Originally posted by JB11
If it's been that long, he would know by now. Sounds like back to the Training Arena. :aok
all those years of cumulative oxygen deprivation from crusing in his suborbital runstang....
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Originally posted by Yeager
when you merge you should be at equal altitude, not plus or minus 200 feet guys. Being at no advantage prior to merge is part of the challenge. Get with the program.
Yeager, if you fly 1/2 sector in same plane and same altitude, generally you are at equal E states. It is when Icon range is acquired that the fight begins. At that time, you take your Equal E states and use them to gain angles and gun solution on your opponent. This is/has always been the acceptable dueling format used by AH players!
THink about it.....if you are flying right at the guy at lets say 6k, then you'd run right into the guy before you passed him. It makes it where one guy would have to turn a bit/loose E just to not collide. That is why the fight starts when players say, "vis, I'm in"! After that, you can do what you want to except fire on the merge!:aok
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ATTENTION!!!!
My noodle Is biGGer than Both of Ya'll....
I win! :D
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nvm deleted
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Oh and I left SHane off the list, and he is an excellent dueling competitor and very respectable about helping if he can. I consider him one of my mentors!
pffft ... he is the SUXXOR !!!
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Skyrock,
How is it, I managed to take off from the same alt 15k. Turn, and head towards you all right at the same altitude. These are the problems I have with this issue:
1. You agreed to rules. They were in place, and you violated them. Knowing you were wrong, you still try to spin the whole point of you being wrong into "standard dueling rules" and BS like that. The point here is that you agreed upon set rules, and now you say they are different... that's a lie.
2. Anytime you feel slighted you berate anyone and everyone with juvenile name calling and that crap. That is rediculous, and in my opinion just another way for you to spin away your defects.
As for this being a contest over ego or genital size, it is none of that for me. It is like the thread title states. Displeasure after dealing with someone who can not stick to an agreement. That is worse than anything else. I went in looking for a fun fight, and instead witnessed someone break their word, and honor.
To me, thats the biggest issue at stake.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I am not sure any of you have had the displeasure of dueling with Skyrock or not, I did tonight.
He was running at the lip as usual in the MA, and I listened pretty much afar until I had made a comment over 200 to someone else. Anyways the usual Skyrock taunts started and I finally agreed
Frankly I am tired of listening to this individuals constant taunts to others, constant berating of others, and constant acting like a 12 yr old.
ohh, yes been there done that, he handed my a**s in DA, but this game is played in MA, where he is an eassy pick with very poor situation awarneses,and loud dirty mouth
must be lot of kids under 12 years old in MA, acting more mature
Sky Rock spent more time than any other AH players ,isolating himself from others in the tranquil privacy of DA just because, as you see in his replay at this thread ,he has no interpersonal communication skills,hysterical personality disordered reactions and unacceptable social behavior ,
Not many games would tolerate his kind of insults and personal attacks vs players and SQDs ,every evening in MA and on this bord,
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Skyrock a cheater hmm probaly a rule bender maybe
when he was a zipecode guy (8512something)he wasnt that bad now he has a real name and owns us all!!!
i thought dlamb was bad but this makes me think otherwise
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Originally posted by Shane
not that it matters, but the usual RoE for DA fights are:
1. determined alt cap, not to be exceeded until icon is acquired.
this means is say, 6k agl is agreed upon, one shouldn't go above that alt until icon is acquired. this prevents #1 from the above duel possibilities from happening, and it ensures that until icon is acquired, both have comparable e-states.
2. after icon is acquired, anything goes except... firing before the actual merge (planes pass).
now #2 means that when icon is acquired, you can climb, dive, turn, do whatever... most better pilot will try and get under the opponent for 2 reasons, first being that you'll generally have more speed, hence, e to do whatveer comes next, and secondly, going under allows you to more quickly reacquire the target in your rear up view and react accordingly.
Although it's been years since I have dueled. The rules at that time insured that neither plane had a significant advantage. That is why an alt cap before the merge is usually in place. In addition no aggressive moves can take place that deviates from the merge level until both aircraft passes their respective 3-9 lines. That meant no diving or climbing or early turns, you both stayed at excatly the same alt until you passed each other.
But then again I'm an old fossil.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Skyrock,
How is it, I managed to take off from the same alt 15k. Turn, and head towards you all right at the same altitude. These are the problems I have with this issue:
1. You agreed to rules. They were in place, and you violated them. Knowing you were wrong, you still try to spin the whole point of you being wrong into "standard dueling rules" and BS like that. The point here is that you agreed upon set rules, and now you say they are different... that's a lie.
2. Anytime you feel slighted you berate anyone and everyone with juvenile name calling and that crap. That is rediculous, and in my opinion just another way for you to spin away your defects.
As for this being a contest over ego or genital size, it is none of that for me. It is like the thread title states. Displeasure after dealing with someone who can not stick to an agreement. That is worse than anything else. I went in looking for a fun fight, and instead witnessed someone break their word, and honor.
To me, thats the biggest issue at stake.
Bodhi, I have two films that show you wer at 15k+ when we met, would you like me to post them?? albeit it was just 100 feet above 15k, by your standards that would make you a cheater.
Besides, I think your a wahbaby for even bringing this kinda crap up on the boards. Sounds like your trying to rally the anti-SkyRock crowd up to make yourself look like you were in the right, when really you dueled and complained like a whinning newb! Not to mention you got completely manslapped no matter what alt and speed you were at! the only "win" you got is when I got so close on your 6 that I snapstalled trying not to ram you! I could care less about whether I own you or not, it is just a character I play when I'm imagining I'm a fighter ace in this world of AH. But to call me a cheater is something that I do not appreciate. If you want to have fun fights with me, it is not hard to do as I am a fun fight in the DA, but if you're going to whine about 100 feet then go fight someone who is anal retentive! I am not the fight you want!:aok
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Originally posted by WxMan
Although it's been years since I have dueled. The rules at that time insured that neither plane had a significant advantage. That is why an alt cap before the merge is usually in place. In addition no aggressive moves can take place that deviates from the merge level until both aircraft passes their respective 3-9 lines. That meant no diving or climbing or early turns, you both stayed at excatly the same alt until you passed each other.
But then again I'm an old fossil.
That's how I've always understood it too although I've only been to the DA a couple of times in AH. Even at that 1-200 feet isn't enough to worry about (think about how close to the deck you have to be to stay under dar).
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Doesnt a cold merge mean no hoin:aok
bohdi ya hoed old skyrock on several occasions:confused:
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Originally posted by Souless
Doesnt a cold merge mean no hoin:aok
bohdi ya hoed old skyrock on several occasions:confused:
I hoed him only on one merge, the last, and in reality I hit the top of his aircraft as he violated the agreement and tried to dive under.
Care to stir some more?
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Originally posted by ghi
ohh, yes been there done that, he handed my a**s in DA, but this game is played in MA, where he is an eassy pick with very poor situation awarneses,and loud dirty mouth
must be lot of kids under 12 years old in MA, acting more mature
Sky Rock spent more time than any other AH players ,isolating himself from others in the tranquil privacy of DA just because, as you see in his replay at this thread ,he has no interpersonal communication skills,hysterical personality disordered reactions and unacceptable social behavior ,
Not many games would tolerate his kind of insults and personal attacks vs players and SQDs ,every evening in MA and on this bord,
Ghi, I have one question to ask you! Did I talk crap or humiliate you or call you names when we dueled? Did I treat you respectfully and honorably when we fought? Don't bring your disdain of my 200 character into this topic as it has nothing to do with how I am in the DA! I honor all DA rules and never bend nor break them in any way. I never HO on anymerges in the DA when HO after the first merge is generally acceptable. I DO NOT NEED ANY advantage when dueling!!!!!!!
Ghi, I might need to tell you this just so you don't get my 200 personna mixed up with who I am.........I RESPECT THE WAY YOU PLAY AH2!:aok
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Originally posted by Bodhi
I hoed him only on one merge, the last, and in reality I hit the top of his aircraft as he violated the agreement and tried to dive under.
Care to stir some more?
Bodhi, You HOed me on the first merge we had in spit mk1's! Looks I' going to have to post them even though I don't care enough to go through the trouble!
I might add, our agreement was 15k cap, at no time before we started the duel did you say that diving after we say "in" was against the rules. I have never ever heard of this so I had no idea it was what you meant!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Bodhi, I have two films that show you wer at 15k+ when we met, would you like me to post them?? albeit it was just 100 feet above 15k, by your standards that would make you a cheater.
Besides, I think your a wahbaby for even bringing this kinda crap up on the boards. Sounds like your trying to rally the anti-SkyRock crowd up to make yourself look like you were in the right, when really you dueled and complained like a whinning newb! Not to mention you got completely manslapped no matter what alt and speed you were at! the only "win" you got is when I got so close on your 6 that I snapstalled trying not to ram you! I could care less about whether I own you or not, it is just a character I play when I'm imagining I'm a fighter ace in this world of AH. But to call me a cheater is something that I do not appreciate. If you want to have fun fights with me, it is not hard to do as I am a fun fight in the DA, but if you're going to whine about 100 feet then go fight someone who is anal retentive! I am not the fight you want!:aok
Skyrock,
I will look at my film tonight and if I can figure out how to post it, I will show you that I was right at prescribed alt. Spin all you like you still dove 400 feet below on merge, and that was a significant deviation from what we agreed on.
Oh, and I rally no one. I really care only how one person thinks about this whole thing, and that is me. As for you, I feel you are a dishonest person with a trash mouth and no honor.
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Originally posted by tatertot
Skyrock a cheater hmm probaly a rule bender maybe
when he was a zipecode guy (8512something)he wasnt that bad now he has a real name and owns us all!!!
i thought dlamb was bad but this makes me think otherwise
LMAO, U bastige! U know I was Aught3!!!!!!! :p
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Peeps I have dueled and never been called a cheater:
Leviathn
Stang
NathBDP
WildThng
Furball
WetRat
FX1
SHawk
Dedalos
TW9
Fester
Kappa
Platano
KillnU
WideWing
Sniper
Bovidae/Phish/airvent
ManeTMP
Estes
Creton
Wadke
YUCCA
Mudr
Pellik
Biggles
Sonic23
HuskyElks
Souless
Danodano
ElevenK
Steve
Mars01
Goosech
WarKat
Madniki
Mustaine
Dextur
WarlockL
Numb
Hemp
and way too many others to list.
I do not cheat to gain advantage in the DA, I honor the DA and try to set up equal fights as I do not want an advantage when I am dueling!
Mark
There's a couple great names I haven't seen for awhile, or at least not regularly, pretty much since the DA game was neutered.
Hemp, Bovidae/Phish, Sniper, YUCCA. These guys and a few others are the ones who taught me how to fly, in the DA.
Ahhh, the good they die young!
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Bodhi, here are two HO's on first merge. the first u get outflown right into the ground! The second I was at 14,900 and u had 50 mph adv......hmmm must have dove into 15k...huh?? U still HO'd! LMAO!
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180985895_film765.ahf
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1129_1180937603_film768.ahf
enjoy!
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ive dueled skyrock{even though im not on list:cry }
he was awesome and nothing like his MA persona, i have also dueled others and it seems like everyone has there own rules,
because of this thread i now understand the rules a little better,
equal alt until vis...
i was DAing not understanding that aspect of the merge... wondering why the stick i was dueling was trying to get under me on merge...
now i understand
skyrock your prettythang is in trouble
:D
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(Troll)
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i will say real quick though in a duel is a faster speed realy advantage?
the slower plane will always out turn the faster one
no matter what type of plane
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Originally posted by ink
ive dueled skyrock{even though im not on list:cry }
he was awesome and nothing like his MA persona, i have also dueled others and it seems like everyone has there own rules,
because of this thread i now understand the rules a little better,
equal alt until vis...
i was DAing not understanding that aspect of the merge... wondering why the stick i was dueling was trying to get under me on merge...
now i understand
skyrock your prettythang is in trouble
:D
Ink, you the hurri guy? I was actually tryiing to remember your name but couldnt! Very good fights !
If you want to know what the general rules of engagements are in the DA, then read Shane's post!
Mark
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< pwned SkyRock in DA:rofl
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OK, as much as it pains me, and without viewing any film as to what EXACT and EXPLICITLY was understood and agreed upon, but based simply on standard and established practise in the DA, I think Bodhi's expectations may have been a little unreasonable, though he may not have realized it at the time.
All pilots who regularly duel know to try for vertical separation once close visual contact is made. This has always been allowed and has never been an issue that I can remember. Pilots separate, then call out "turning in" at roughly 4-5K range separation and head back towards each other Co-Alt. Somewhere at 2K or less (because most pilots don't want to give away their moves too soon) it is standard practise to attempt to gain some vertical separation with a shallow dive, at which point the opponent usually knows to counter with a dive of his own, thus ending up at nearly the same alt at the time of passing.
This is because the ACM rule is - on a Co-Alt merge never let your opponent get below you. For anyone who has been dueling in the DA extensively this is almost instinctual and unavoidable, not a concerted attempt to cheat.
However, Skyrock is wrong in his posted comment that by being 100 or 200 ft. higher, Bodhi actually had the advantage. In such a dueling merge, the small advantage is to the LOWER pilot, who can now turn inside his opponent as they execute their Lead Turns.
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Cheater
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Originally posted by Shane
now #2 means that when icon is acquired, you can climb, dive, turn, do whatever... most better pilot will try and get under the opponent for 2 reasons, first being that you'll generally have more speed, hence, e to do whatveer comes next, and secondly, going under allows you to more quickly reacquire the target in your rear up view and react accordingly.
Just a little clarity needed here.
While both these reasons may be valid, and contribute to why a pilot might want to go low under his opponent, they are separately or together, NOT the reason a pilot should go low in the merge.
The significantly more important reason is to gain vertical separation prior to the moment of the merge, SO AS to acquire the necessary turning room for a Lead Turn after the pass, which will be inside of the opponent's Lead Turn.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
OK, as much as it pains me, and without viewing any film as to what EXACT and EXPLICITLY was understood and agreed upon, but based simply on standard and established practise in the DA, I think Bodhi's expectations may have been a little unreasonable, though he may not have realized it at the time.
All pilots who regularly duel know to try for vertical separation once close visual contact is made. This has always been allowed and has never been an issue that I can remember. Pilots separate, then call out "turning in" at roughly 4-5K range separation and head back towards each other Co-Alt. Somewhere at 2K or less (because most pilots don't want to give away their moves too soon) it is standard practise to attempt to gain some vertical separation with a shallow dive, at which point the opponent usually knows to counter with a dive of his own, thus ending up at nearly the same alt at the time of passing.
This is because the ACM rule is - on a Co-Alt merge never let your opponent get below you. For anyone who has been dueling in the DA extensively this is almost instinctual and unavoidable, not a concerted attempt to cheat.
However, Skyrock is wrong in his posted comment that by being 100 or 200 ft. higher, Bodhi actually had the advantage. In such a dueling merge, the small advantage is to the LOWER pilot, who can now turn inside his opponent as they execute their Lead Turns.
Slap, being 100 feet above your opponent and 50mph faster is definitely and advantage. It's not what I would want but it is considered an "E" advantage! If I am below a guy on merge I feel comfortable! It is how I was taught in dueling! :D
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Just a little clarity needed here.
While both these reasons may be valid, and contribute to why a pilot might want to go low under his opponent, they are separately or together, NOT the reason a pilot should go low in the merge.
The significantly more important reason is to gain vertical separation prior to the moment of the merge, SO AS to acquire the necessary turning room for a Lead Turn after the pass, which will be inside of the opponent's Lead Turn.
The reason why you want to be below the guy on merge is very simple. Lets say P1 is below P2 when they pass, then both go vert. Who will be behind who??? P1 will be behind/lower than P2! It is much easier to follow the guys angles and predict what he is going to do If you don't have to look out your 6 constantly! Not to mention if you get around quick, you will have guns on the guy! It's that simple! I know there is more to it as far as ACM and tactics are concerned, but just in laymen's concepts, the lower guy gets the 6 position if both go up after pass!
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I don't think anyone can find a set of hard and fast rules for dueling.
The rules are whatever you agreed to when you set the match with the other guy.
That said, I usually request/agree to what WxMan posted. After all, the idea is to see who is best when all things are equal, or as close to equal, as possible.
Dive on merge is a distinct advantage if your opponent doesn't match the effort.
WxMan laid out about the best system for starting the duel as close to equal as possible.
But... the rules are whatever you agree to do, even if that's no rules at all.
:)
Originally posted by WxMan
Although it's been years since I have dueled. The rules at that time insured that neither plane had a significant advantage. That is why an alt cap before the merge is usually in place. In addition no aggressive moves can take place that deviates from the merge level until both aircraft passes their respective 3-9 lines. That meant no diving or climbing or early turns, you both stayed at excatly the same alt until you passed each other.
But then again I'm an old fossil.
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Originally posted by WxMan
Although it's been years since I have dueled. The rules at that time insured that neither plane had a significant advantage. That is why an alt cap before the merge is usually in place. In addition no aggressive moves can take place that deviates from the merge level until both aircraft passes their respective 3-9 lines. That meant no diving or climbing or early turns, you both stayed at excatly the same alt until you passed each other.
But then again I'm an old fossil.
I remember those were the rules in the very first AH ladder.
The last few years the dive at icon range seems to be the norm.
As others have stated, it boils down to the agreement of the two participants.
shamus
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Wow nice films....I've NEVER DA'd anyone that said you HAVE to meet at X-alt. We always agree on a ceiling (as shane said).
That HO film was lame as hell and from what I could tell with the spit v spit film-it was all over but the cryin' for bodhi.
I'm no expert bodhi was at no time in an offensive role in that fight.
(don't give me that not merging at x-alt crap either)
:aok
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Originally posted by Toad
I don't think anyone can find a set of hard and fast rules for dueling.
That's not quite correct. For all practical purposes, if no other agreements are made before fight, guys fly by dueling ladder rules. Pretty much every stick not new to dueling knows them.
It's pretty simple:
You agree to the plane, ord, fuel loads and altitude.
Exceeding chosen altitude is not allowed before merge.
Diving to merge is OK once in icon range.
Merge is "cold"; no shooting before planes pass each other's 3-9 line
After merge anything goes.
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While actively working on the prospect of a formal CM Supported Ladder, I am tempted to reconsider after reading this thread lol
The main thrust of my concern is the Rules Beforehand. Regardless of what usually happens, should have happened, wished had happened and wanted to happen, there was an established setting that seems to have been set.
If those rules weren't supported, it shouldn't have been agreed to, and the duel should not have progressed. If rules are laid out, in specific language, then it needs to be just that way. No assumptions, no debate after the fact.
If the CM Team does, in fact, establish a ladder, I can assure you that "If" the Rules stated 15K level Merge and you were Over or Under 15k at the time of the merge, you'd be disqualified, plain and simple. If the language is Expanded to include stuff like "15K Merge, with the freedom to move horizontally or vertically upon icon range" then you have an agreed upon modification to the original rule.
The bottom line is, no matter what anyone says or thinks happened, clearly assumptions were made and most of the arguments against Bodhi are subjectively based on what "usually" occurs in a Duel.
The rules of a dual are so lose and informal that you guys can argue for the next 2 weeks and your never going to prove a thing while speculating. Agree and stick to the rules that are presented, simple. Accept a duel with loose ends and assumptions and you are just begging for distractions like this.
Reading thoughts and assumptions by some good sticks that would probably be likely candidates to enter a ladder, I can only guess at the 47 pages of legally drafted rules that are going to have to be triple signed and notarized before spawning to the runway. Proof, right here, that any win or loss will be challenged and reduced to a text brawl makes considering a new event rather insane.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
oh, forgot:o bucky73
and Slash27
and NKL5
and Parin
and MtnMan
and Gooss
and vanscrew
and Betty
and Schatzi
and Ka1e
and aka
and GRIM
and geesh! WHo in the hell haven't I dueled, the list would be easier to make of those I haven't dueled!
:aok
Mark
<-- never have gone to the DA with ya....
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ya skyrock im the hurri guy lol
although i have tried to expand my fighter range
i have been flying the
190 a8
190 d
109 g14
109 g6?
109 k
p38
p40
temp {dont like}
typh {dont like}
ki61
i dont generally fly{but have} the
spits
n1k
la's
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Originally posted by ROC
The rules of a dual are so lose and informal that you guys can argue for the next 2 weeks and your never going to prove a thing while speculating. Agree and stick to the rules that are presented, simple. Accept a duel with loose ends and assumptions and you are just begging for distractions like this.
Most of the duels are the ones with "lose ends" in wording of what supposed to be "gentlemen" agreement.
Few "DOs" and few "DON'Ts" are generally accepted by all who have at least a little bit of mutual respect and want fair fights.
It works fine most of the time.
Then, there always be a minority who will come out fighting unfair, taking cheap shots and after the fight pointing rules and what not.
As for the formal and semi-formal dueling ladders, they all failed. Just too much of a red tape and they have the tendency to attract too many overgrown egos and duels turn into pissing matches about who can interpret rules better, who can game the rules, how to play dirty and still not violate rules, etc...
There are guys worth fighting, and there are ones not worth fighting. No amount of rules will change that.
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Originally posted by ROC
While actively working on the prospect of a formal CM Supported Ladder, I am tempted to reconsider after reading this thread lol
The main thrust of my concern is the Rules Beforehand. Regardless of what usually happens, should have happened, wished had happened and wanted to happen, there was an established setting that seems to have been set.
If those rules weren't supported, it shouldn't have been agreed to, and the duel should not have progressed. If rules are laid out, in specific language, then it needs to be just that way. No assumptions, no debate after the fact.
If the CM Team does, in fact, establish a ladder, I can assure you that "If" the Rules stated 15K level Merge and you were Over or Under 15k at the time of the merge, you'd be disqualified, plain and simple. If the language is Expanded to include stuff like "15K Merge, with the freedom to move horizontally or vertically upon icon range" then you have an agreed upon modification to the original rule.
The bottom line is, no matter what anyone says or thinks happened, clearly assumptions were made and most of the arguments against Bodhi are subjectively based on what "usually" occurs in a Duel.
The rules of a dual are so lose and informal that you guys can argue for the next 2 weeks and your never going to prove a thing while speculating. Agree and stick to the rules that are presented, simple. Accept a duel with loose ends and assumptions and you are just begging for distractions like this.
Reading thoughts and assumptions by some good sticks that would probably be likely candidates to enter a ladder, I can only guess at the 47 pages of legally drafted rules that are going to have to be triple signed and notarized before spawning to the runway. Proof, right here, that any win or loss will be challenged and reduced to a text brawl makes considering a new event rather insane.
After he HO'd me in the first duel and said no diving on the merge, not one more time did I dive. But as you can see in the hog film, he shot me because I was at 14,800 and he was at 15,100. So in a sense, he broke his own rule. The deal is, when we agreed to rules it was to meet at 15k and nothing was said about the merge. After he said no diving, I was flying at what I thought was his standards. If I dropped 200 feet before we actually passed, I can assure you it was completely unintentional!:aok
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Originally posted by Sketch
<-- never have gone to the DA with ya....
I went there with Skyrock.....
He got bored killin me so many times. :lol
He never did the so called "C" word when I went.....HE just whipped my butt...ALOT..Quickly....and repeatedly.:lol
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Actually after thinking about how this type of duel goes, I think I might try it with some folks. Where you're exactly same alt same speed but pass by wingtip to wingtip and then the fight is on! I have to take into consideration that Bodhi might have only known this way to duel and I was completely foriegn to it. It might be fun! I just didn't understand what the hell he was getting tiffed about!
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CAUSE HE LIKES U ;)
like kids in the 1st grade
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
That's not quite correct. For all practical purposes, if no other agreements are made before fight, guys fly by dueling ladder rules.
Just where on the DA MOTD is that posted? Or is it in the dueling "help" file?
:)
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Originally posted by ROC
I can only guess at the 47 pages of legally drafted rules that are going to have to be triple signed and notarized before spawning to the runway. Proof, right here, that any win or loss will be challenged and reduced to a text brawl makes considering a new event rather insane.
Word.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
oh, forgot:o bucky73
and Slash27
and NKL5
and Parin
and MtnMan
and Gooss
and vanscrew
and Betty
and Schatzi
and Ka1e
and aka
and GRIM
and geesh! WHo in the hell haven't I dueled, the list would be easier to make of those I haven't dueled!
:aok
Mark
wondered where my name was....hehe
btw...i was taught that on the merge the one that is lowest has the advantage...that is how it has always went everytime i DA someone that knows what they r doing...on the other hand...i stomped bigbob the other night and he cried sayin i was a cheater too...so mark..dont sweat it..u know your better than that :)
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You ALWAYS dive and try and get under the other guy during the merge. I have never dueled any stick where that didnt take place. That is the standard way of dueling.
As far as altitude goes, yes it should be even prior to dueling. But flying straight for the merge? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
FX1 is correct. Start the duel close to the deck (again co-alt prior to duel). If you are there to duel that shouldn't be a problem. That way when the merge takes place you are both at tree top level. There, all problems solved.
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Originally posted by Domin
FX1 is correct. Start the duel close to the deck (again co-alt prior to duel). If you are there to duel that shouldn't be a problem. That way when the merge takes place you are both at tree top level. There, all problems solved.
well the plm with this is that it benefits the throttle chopping weenie more often than not, and takes away potential for other strategies.
i've been on all sides of this fence, i've let someone dive down to the deck, and kept alt... whine? sometimes, but hey, they chose to go down, i went up. i've also dove down anywhere from 2k all the way to the deck, depending on variables.
see.. potential, variables, knowns.. that's a duel...
just as often, i've let people have an alt/speed advantage on me in the DA, showing them that alt/speed (potential E) is merely one tool to be used or used against.
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Originally posted by WxMan
Although it's been years since I have dueled. The rules at that time insured that neither plane had a significant advantage. That is why an alt cap before the merge is usually in place. In addition no aggressive moves can take place that deviates from the merge level until both aircraft passes their respective 3-9 lines. That meant no diving or climbing or early turns, you both stayed at excatly the same alt until you passed each other.
But then again I'm an old fossil.
Can't remember the last duel I was in, definitely more than a few years, lol. This was the standard duel rule I ever knew about.
And yes, I confirm, Wxman is an old fossil.;)
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Originally posted by SkyRock
After he HO'd me in the first duel and said no diving on the merge, not one more time did I dive. But as you can see in the hog film, he shot me because I was at 14,800 and he was at 15,100. So in a sense, he broke his own rule. The deal is, when we agreed to rules it was to meet at 15k and nothing was said about the merge. After he said no diving, I was flying at what I thought was his standards. If I dropped 200 feet before we actually passed, I can assure you it was completely unintentional!:aok
How bout some facts.
#1. I did not HO you on the 1st merge. I took a quartering shot after our initial pass that you turned in to. Call that a HO all you like.
#2. I merged at same alt as you, about +50. I never went above 15k, except for takeoff where I never exceeded 250 feet above.
#3. On second merge, you were 200 feet below again. I called you on that again.
#4. Again, before 3rd flight I confirmed cold pass at 15K. You agreed.
#5. I never went 75 feet +/- of 15k on our next duel, until after you tried diving under.
#6. You were 400+ feet below me on initial merge 1.4k out.
#7. I got peeved and shot you in the top of your aircraft.
#8. It degenerated into you name calling and me leaving.
If someone tells me how to post a film, I will put the whole thing up as I have it. Otherwise I am done with this.
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INterested IN seeing where this thread goes, but I thought it was verboten to bring up cheatINg
:lol
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Furball, Ur an idiot for backing this obvious loser punk. YOu know the rules in the DA, I tried to accomadate his weird merge request as best I could, If I was below 15 k by 100 feet then it wasnt intentional and there was absolutely no advantage gained by it as I had roughly a stable speed and on the hog merge and he was 200 feet above me and 60 mph more, to me that would give him the advantage. He got ownt in the flying department and is a puss weak punk for whining in here on the boards about 100 feet either way! Just as his callous disrespect about my deceased mother on 200, he is scum whiney punk in my book and a feminine fighter at best! You know good and gawdrn well after vis, diving or climbing is completely acceptable to everyone except this weak bait who is a skilless HO twit at best! Now, if your just baiting a hook to get rise out of me, tehn go bark up a tree. I have never cheated in this game and find it very insulting that a Piece of garbage like this weenie would come on here and accuse me of cheating when film shows I had absolutely no advantage on him in any merge! If I wanted teh advantage I would have come in above 15 instead of under it, as I was flying completely level. Also, you noticed he never offered to let me pick merge and alt because obviously he cn't handle a fair fight, especially when he is getting
completely ownt every duel! He is now in category of Storchita the whiney coward of AH! :aok
Mark
some how i thinnk i'm gonna regret this.......but here goes anyway....and remember....i haven't flown in the DA.....often........
anyway......you agreed to 15k alt, cold...to me that means 15k, flat and level. i understand you(skyrock)were only 300 ft below him(bodhi). but 300 ft is 300 ft..........its not hard at all to be at the desired alt exactly. 300 ft would from what i've seen, give you a BIG advantage. bodhi had more speed than you did.....he probably climbed to alt quicker, and got level sooner to build speed. seriously.......why WERE you 300 ft low? it sounds like your more than experienced enough to be able to put ur plane exactly where ya want it. bodhi...i think you said in an earlier thread you have film too? skyrock....your spitfilm wouldn't download? did you take it off of here?
and i'm not taking bodhi's side or yours.......but bodhi WAS at alt, and level. i am surprised to see this thread in here though.
last thing......i don't really know if you're right or if bodhi's right.......so far though bodhi is being much more calm about this, yet you compare him to a favorite in the arenas(storch). you in your rants sound more like storch than anyone i've heard so far(you're not storch under a different account, are ya?):noid seriously........calm down, and go back to DA.....have fun......thats what we're all here for, isn't it? if bodhi cheats, then work around it. if you cheat, then its obvious bodhi's gonna work around it too.
one last thing.......you(skyrock) are a good example of why i don't do DA....besides the fact that i suck.........as soon as you beat me, you'd be back in MA tellin of how ya "ownt" me. thats not fun. flyin and fightin is.
have a good night storch
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Nilen, You guys that bring up the Phallic test quotes are soo off base with how 99% of the DA fights go. I do not DA to say, "I told you I could beat you!" after a duel, it usually ends with a "gf". I fight in the DA because I love dogfighting and that is a place where one on ones can be set up with gentlemens rules with no interference! Even when I go in there after a 200 purse fight to duel someone, it usually ends up in me acquiring a new friend! The DA is a fun happy place to most of us!
now this sounds better.........someone me, and i'm sure many others would really like to fight against........don't take offense to my previous post^^^^^^^^^^^^
i was simply stating an opinion.....
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Again here is the one in F4u's, notice how I am 200 below him and level but 50 mph slower. Now how in the F is that trying to get an advantage? :rolleyes:
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/...603_film768.ahf
I will however let this go and I do appreciate the fact that he went to the DA in the first place. for that
Now if some of you BK's could fill Bodhi in on how duels are fought in the DA it might help the next person he goes in there with and save them the time and humiliation of being called a cheater on the BBS!
Thank you!
Mark
50mph slower= quicker tighter turn?
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Originally posted by Shane
well the plm with this is that it benefits the throttle chopping weenie more often than not, and takes away potential for other strategies.
i've been on all sides of this fence, i've let someone dive down to the deck, and kept alt... whine? sometimes, but hey, they chose to go down, i went up. i've also dove down anywhere from 2k all the way to the deck, depending on variables.
see.. potential, variables, knowns.. that's a duel...
just as often, i've let people have an alt/speed advantage on me in the DA, showing them that alt/speed (potential E) is merely one tool to be used or used against.
This is why I much preferred the old DA format (killed off by the squeaker vulch tards). You get airborne from the same field in opposite directions and reverse back (calling "in") upon leaving icon range.
You don't have to worry if you're both at the same height or whether or not you have the same speed. It's basically whatever advantage you can manage (if any) within those simple constraints. Want to dive to build E to gain the initial angles edge? Go for it. You have about 15 seconds to decide on your tactics. You can maneuver anyway you desire once within icon range prior to the merge, as long as you have reversed to meet your opponent. Guns cold on the merge, guns hot when you pass behind each other's 3-9 line. It doesn't get any less complicated than this.
My regards,
Widewing
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bodhi why didnt you keep dueling more than what you did if the rules were not resolved.
sounds like you bailed out as soon as you could to the bbs to continue the duel here instead of fighting it out in the game.
and let me know anytime you want to duel I would like to try the even merge till after flyby rules because every duel I have ever fought has been do not exceed a certain alt and never had any problems with merge divers because it is easy to counter them. but whatever you shot headon on the merge and that pretty much qualifies you as the loser of the last round by any standards.
so you lost the duel 2 vs 1 at the worst or are tied at 1v1 since the last fight is a disqualification
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Originally posted by Widewing
This is why I much preferred the old DA format (killed off by the squeaker vulch tards). You get airborne from the same field in opposite directions and reverse back (calling "in") upon leaving icon range.
You don't have to worry if you're both at the same height or whether or not you have the same speed. It's basically whatever advantage you can manage (if any) within those simple constraints. Want to dive to build E to gain the initial angles edge? Go for it. You have about 15 seconds to decide on your tactics. You can maneuver anyway you desire once within icon range prior to the merge, as long as you have reversed to meet your opponent. Guns cold on the merge, guns hot when you pass behind each other's 3-9 line. It doesn't get any less complicated than this.
My regards,
Widewing
Ahh, now THOSE are the rules I remember. Those were the old AW rules too. I had forgotten all about that until you posted.
The most recent rules I remember are co-alt cold until after the 3/9 pass. The only real problem with that rule is it potentially sets up a series of HO's.
It sounds like full manouvering within icon range is a reasonable alternative.
You can probably tell I never go to the DA huh?
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Originally posted by CAP1
some how i thinnk i'm gonna regret this.......but here goes anyway....and remember....i haven't flown in the DA.....often........
anyway......you agreed to 15k alt, cold...to me that means 15k, flat and level. i understand you(skyrock)were only 300 ft below him(bodhi). but 300 ft is 300 ft..........its not hard at all to be at the desired alt exactly. 300 ft would from what i've seen, give you a BIG advantage. bodhi had more speed than you did.....he probably climbed to alt quicker, and got level sooner to build speed. seriously.......why WERE you 300 ft low? it sounds like your more than experienced enough to be able to put ur plane exactly where ya want it. bodhi...i think you said in an earlier thread you have film too? skyrock....your spitfilm wouldn't download? did you take it off of here?
and i'm not taking bodhi's side or yours.......but bodhi WAS at alt, and level. i am surprised to see this thread in here though.
last thing......i don't really know if you're right or if bodhi's right.......so far though bodhi is being much more calm about this, yet you compare him to a favorite in the arenas(storch). you in your rants sound more like storch than anyone i've heard so far(you're not storch under a different account, are ya?):noid seriously........calm down, and go back to DA.....have fun......thats what we're all here for, isn't it? if bodhi cheats, then work around it. if you cheat, then its obvious bodhi's gonna work around it too.
one last thing.......you(skyrock) are a good example of why i don't do DA....besides the fact that i suck.........as soon as you beat me, you'd be back in MA tellin of how ya "ownt" me. thats not fun. flyin and fightin is.
have a good night storch
Ask anyone I have ever dueled, that I came back and said 'I ownt you" I am not that way, I say I own you before I go in the DA with you...it's called "gametalk" and some I beat in the DA just because they actually believe that "spew" on 200 about me being the "Supa Bad Owning Mo Fo!", but never do I humilate peeps I have gone to the DA with or during the DA. Unless they are folks Like FTDEEP! I humbly ask you to the DA for a laid back "telling" of old AH stories and friendly happy fights! <>
Mark
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Originally posted by Toad
Just where on the DA MOTD is that posted? Or is it in the dueling "help" file?
:)
Heh, don't shoot the messenger. I'm tellin you how it is, not how it used to be...
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Originally posted by Bodhi
How bout some facts.
#1. I did not HO you on the 1st merge. I took a quartering shot after our initial pass that you turned in to. Call that a HO all you like.
#2. I merged at same alt as you, about +50. I never went above 15k, except for takeoff where I never exceeded 250 feet above.
#3. On second merge, you were 200 feet below again. I called you on that again.
#4. Again, before 3rd flight I confirmed cold pass at 15K. You agreed.
#5. I never went 75 feet +/- of 15k on our next duel, until after you tried diving under.
#6. You were 400+ feet below me on initial merge 1.4k out.
#7. I got peeved and shot you in the top of your aircraft.
#8. It degenerated into you name calling and me leaving.
If someone tells me how to post a film, I will put the whole thing up as I have it. Otherwise I am done with this.
Bodhi, I am not trying to beat this to death, as a matter of fact, had you not posted this I wouldn't even be thinking about it. I admit that I did not understand your rules before we dueled. I saw you face shoot me on the first merge of first duel and thought what a dweeb, yet I continued with the duel and saddled you. I think you sould read the post I made about not understanding and trying to meet your requirements, yet you took my lack of caring about 100 feet this and 300 feet here, that you came on the boards and tried to drag me through the mud. I reacted in an angry and not well thought out manner, but I generally feel I was trying to be fair. Now the cocky side of me tells me that any F'en rule you want to go by, I would still manslap then own you!!!!! So let it go or stop getting anal about how the Gotdm merge is supposed to be. Hell, I'll give you my 6 from 1.5 and kik ur arse!
But the nice guy of me is saying I will play exactly by your merge rules and still politely dispose of your planes ability to hold lift!
<> Mark
:aok
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what a gay thread. where is that richard simmons pic when you need it.:rolleyes:
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SkyRock owns Bodhi
end of discussion
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Slap, being 100 feet above your opponent and 50mph faster is definitely and advantage. It's not what I would want but it is considered an "E" advantage! If I am below a guy on merge I feel comfortable! It is how I was taught in dueling! :D
Sorry, Skyrock, but I cannot agree with you. In the Head-On merge you described -- and assuming same aircraft -- the one who is only 100ft. higher and 50mph faster (as you state) does have a small E advantage, less from the altitude as Potential Energy and more from the established Kinetic Energy of speed.
HOWEVER, this is not a pure energy fight, this is a close-on angles/turn fight which means having the proper amount of E to turn at or close to Corner Velocity for the aircraft, which results in the tighest, quickest turn, is primary, not gobs of extra smash. (This includes considering Radial G effect in the vertical.)
Too much speed forces a wider Turn Radius (describing a larger Turn Circle) than necessary, taking longer to complete. Being both 100 ft. higher and 50mph faster, means if both pilots have the necessary speed to complete the manuever, and both execute a vertical Lead Turn at the pass, the lower/slower aircraft will have a smaller Turn Circle due to less speed going in, and the vertical separation due to his lower altitude, and thereby be able to turn into the other's greater Turn Circle. Therefore, the potential turning advantage is to the lower/slower aircraft, which is what this engagement is all about, at that moment.
I did not make this up, nor am I the absolute expert on all ACM. This is a resulting consensus that comes from extensive reading and study of several expert sources on ACM. Particularly on how speed and Radial G effects all types of turns.
Whether this is the reason you personally go low or not, this is the reason why in the standard dueling merge most should go pilots go low, and don't generally worry about the opponent having significantly higher speed at the merge. It can actually be a detriment. A pilot need only concern himself with beginning and maintaining sufficient speed throughout the merge and Lead Turn manuever.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
The reason why you want to be below the guy on merge is very simple. Lets say P1 is below P2 when they pass, then both go vert. Who will be behind who??? P1 will be behind/lower than P2! It is much easier to follow the guys angles and predict what he is going to do If you don't have to look out your 6 constantly!
This is nice and useful, but is NOT the primary reason.
Not to mention if you get around quick, you will have guns on the guy! It's that simple! I know there is more to it as far as ACM and tactics are concerned, but just in laymen's concepts, the lower guy gets the 6 position if both go up after pass!
This correct, and was what I essentially was saying, using the proper ACM concepts to do so! Yes, this is the primary reason the lower/slower aircraft actually has the 'important' engagement advantage (turning potential) in this tactical situation. It's about turning first and better, not holding or unleashing tremendous E.
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Originally posted by Widewing
This is why I much preferred the old DA format (killed off by the squeaker vulch tards). You get airborne from the same field in opposite directions and reverse back (calling "in") upon leaving icon range.
You don't have to worry if you're both at the same height or whether or not you have the same speed. It's basically whatever advantage you can manage (if any) within those simple constraints. Want to dive to build E to gain the initial angles edge? Go for it. You have about 15 seconds to decide on your tactics. You can maneuver anyway you desire once within icon range prior to the merge, as long as you have reversed to meet your opponent. Guns cold on the merge, guns hot when you pass behind each other's 3-9 line. It doesn't get any less complicated than this.
My regards,
Widewing
I agree wholeheartedly. The old DA was more of an asset to the whole community AND HiTech than I think they will ever understand. It was such a good place to play that many spent 30-50% of their flying time there. If burned out in the MA, or needed some different kind of action, one could go there and find many friendly engagements just waiting to happen.
Learning abounded, and friendships were often made. It was a great salve and place to fly, away from any aggrevations of the regualr arena. Now, when the infernal ENY, Arena Cap or mind-numbing redundance of maps drives me batty, I more often logout and go read a book.
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Originally posted by Widewing
This is why I much preferred the old DA format (killed off by the squeaker vulch tards).
Give credit where it belongs WW.
The DA was put back to its intended format by HT in an effort to assist the people complaining about the vulchers and remove the problems like me, 2bighorn, and a few others.
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Originally posted by WMLute
(Troll)
(http://www.susandunn.cc/trolling.jpg)
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i must say this
i'm upset skyrock didnt put me in the list
you guys flew sissy planes should have dueled lalas and spixteens.
i will pwn killnu skyrock and fester and dano and dedalot and furball and everyone else i feel like. that is all, thank you.
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I didn't count our duels Megadud, because you tried to dive under me on the merge!! :cry :cry
:D
:noid
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I need some more ACM, and if someone has the time, Id like to go at it.
Look me up in the MA
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Originally posted by 4deck
I need some more ACM, and if someone has the time, Id like to go at it.
Look me up in the MA
Start with megadud. That way you can practice shooting planes from their six first. He a good big slow target :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
Start with megadud. That way you can practice shooting planes from their six first. He a good big slow target :D
Actually Im shooting at 1k out now on merge. this way there is no hiding the fact that I am really going to shoot. Ive been rammed to many times.:p
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Originally posted by CAP1
50mph slower= quicker tighter turn?
yes , but it has a disavantage too ... if you miss the shot ,,the other plane with more vertical Energy will continue to climb up and when you stall they have you "Roped" .
Now to dueling ,, as far as I know the rules have always been . come in at agreed co-alt ... at icon range you can dive til you merge with the oponent (1000 feet or less normal distance at merge). guns cold at merge ... after this its free to do what ever you can think of ..
HO shots are ussually frowned upon, the duel is better if you saddle up.
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No Im not talking DA, when I said Im shooting at 1k out, I mean the LA's. Just cant stand the HO. So now I shoot a little far out, and its usually enough to have em back away a little, or they die. Ireally dont give a crap anymore. trying to get into a good fight is tough.
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Originally posted by 4deck
Actually Im shooting at 1k out now on merge. this way there is no hiding the fact that I am really going to shoot. Ive been rammed to many times.:p
No no no, I mean he sucks so bad that you can practice your gunnery on him first. Unlike most people were you have to get on their 6, he gets on your 12 :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
No no no, I mean he sucks so bad that you can practice your gunnery on him first. Unlike most people were you have to get on their 6, he gets on your 12 :D
:lol i'll pwn u easy deadalot!
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Originally posted by 4deck
I need some more ACM, and if someone has the time, Id like to go at it.
Look me up in the MA
PICK ME!! PICK ME!!!
seriously...i do make a good target.....and if i get really lucky, i might even get a round or 2 off at ya.........:rofl
i'd be glad to take ya up on that.......just no trash talk, ok?:aok
john
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Cap1<----------------------covered in empty tuna cans and moldy chinese take out boxes and 14 empty natural light cans! I have now trash typed you! :aok
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
This thread has the BK Seal of Approval!
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-- Todd/Leviathn
Todd, where the heck have you been hiding out? I know, career, family and the like. Still, I miss the old days and the old guard...
Take care of yourself.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by dedalos
Give credit where it belongs WW.
The DA was put back to its intended format by HT in an effort to assist the people complaining about the vulchers and remove the problems like me, 2bighorn, and a few others.
I don't think we ever had the chance to duel, but I enjoy many fights with 2bighorn (or whatever user name he goes by at the time). If you guys were the problem, you're also the solution. A fair and fun fight with no egos involved. The outcome is never as important as the camaraderie. That is always the best part IMHO. 2bighorn duels with relative noobs and compliments them on their effort, while offering advice. He builds pilots and the community.
He has long since proved that you don't need to be a Trainer or a CM to be a leader in the AH2 community.
As to the central debate of this thread, I happen to consider both Bodhi and Skyrock friends, which puts me in the position of hoping they iron out their issue and realize that they are both good folks who just happen to disagree.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
2bighorn duels with relative noobs and compliments them on their effort, while offering advice. He builds pilots and the community.
He has long since proved that you don't need to be a Trainer or a CM to be a leader in the AH2 community.
Very true Widewing, as one of the relative noobs I have to second that - when 2bighorn says "nice flying there", you know you have performed mediocre... when he says "excellent" you know you are on the right track :)
I wish more vets with this kind of attitude would enter Training arena some more.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Cap1<----------------------covered in empty tuna cans and moldy chinese take out boxes and 14 empty natural light cans! I have now trash typed you! :aok
:furious :furious
:cry :cry :cry
MMOOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
HE'S TRASH TYPIN AT MEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
MAKE THE MEENIE STOOOPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
:D :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Widewing
I don't think we ever had the chance to duel, but I enjoy many fights with 2bighorn (or whatever user name he goes by at the time). If you guys were the problem, you're also the solution. A fair and fun fight with no egos involved. The outcome is never as important as the camaraderie. That is always the best part IMHO. 2bighorn duels with relative noobs and compliments them on their effort, while offering advice. He builds pilots and the community.
He has long since proved that you don't need to be a Trainer or a CM to be a leader in the AH2 community.
My regards,
Widewing
Agreed! Bighorn is a great teacher and the community would benefit from having more like him.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
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VOSS seal of approval too
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In reflection, I am sorry I brought this up. My bad and an apology to all involved who feel slighted.
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WOW! just WOW!!!
I couldnt be bothered with reading all.....6 pages so just page 1 and 6.
I will say this (because i can ha ha)
It "used" to be that fight was "on" after the merge IE. ya passed each other and got down to it.
100-200 ft + or - aint gonna give anybody but levi a advantage.
as for the diving under at the merge well.....that could be open for interpetation. if it was agreed on not to do that then those were the proverbial rules.
I wouldnt considerate cheating but rather pilots perogative and interpetation of the ROE.
Its a fighter pilots nature ( even a toon one) to try to get ANY advantage to win.
If ya saw him diving especially on the THIRD go around You should have been prepared and counter maneuvering expecting him to do it.
no offense bodhi but you have been douing this long enough and are skilled enough to know you NEVER EVER fight your oponents fight, you make him fight yours.
If im wrong then please correct me but, to me overall you both lost. The GAME is about having fun and to many people of late have really forgotten that.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
In reflection, I am sorry I brought this up. My bad and an apology to all involved who feel slighted.
Bodhi, I don't know if you read my last two posts on this matter, but I too will apologize for over-reacting out here in public. I really had no idea of the "old" way duels were fought and therefore took you calling me a cheater to heart. I do not cheat in any way in this game or in any other game I've ver played involving battleing other humans. I am an ex-athlete and a coach and teach my players to play by the rules. In this matter, I really didn't understand how precise the merge needed to be and surely didn't understand the co-alt, pass by wingtip to wingtip thingy as I have never been introduced to that way of dueling. After you said no diving, I truly was trying not to dive or gain any other advantage before we merged. I, being a hothead at times, came on here at first with a lot of piss and vinegar about the whole situation, but after hearing some other old vets describe what you were saying, I realised that this must have been some formal set-up for duels before I even knew online flight sims existed. No hard feelings and I really would like to try those rules in a duel sometime, if not with you then with someone else who duels that way, it sounds interesting and fun!
Mark
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Golly-gee, why am I always the last person to post on these topics. :furious
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We again merge, and yet AGAIN, he tries to dive under.... I am sick of this so as he passes under, I give him a good squirt. He gets peeved and basically calls me all sorts of insults and the hoopla.... Meanwhile he is gliding to earth with a dead engine and lotsa parts missing courtesy his redundant cheating[/B]
:lol
I did. I laughed out loud!
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Originally posted by Hap
:lol
I did. I laughed out loud!
Hap, I hope you read the whole thread, I only dove under the first time, anything said other than that, is a lie! I have all 6 or so films and have and will post them. I would rather let this one die though as I am giving Bodhi the benefit of the doubt. I have been playing AH for over 5 years and had literally thousands of duels and not once did anyone ever even mention that you had to fly straight at the guy until u passed wingtip to wingtip at exactly the same altitude. Out of probably 5000 duels, always the fight started at Icon range and prefered a cold headon pass. When he said meet at 15k I took as every other 5000 or so duels I had, don't go above 15k and try and be level at 15k until u say in or Icon range. I had never heard of this type of duel until that night! I DO NOT HAVE TO CHEAT AT DUELING!!!!
Mark
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Hey, I'm throwing up Blue Sky again. It's working now. Duel me!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
[B No hard feelings and I really would like to try those rules in a duel sometime, if not with you then with someone else who duels that way, it sounds interesting and fun!
Mark [/B]
skyrock its been awhile since we dueled,
it was YOU that made me a better stick, with your advice and all...
i really want to go back to DA with you... to test my theory, that since ive dueled you, ive improved 100%
allthough i dueled this guy i cant remember his name but he was awesome and schooled me good.
i wish i could remember his name to give him the kudos he deserves
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I won't call you a cheater, honest! And I don't care how you merge. You can even try to H.O. me for all I care.