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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cav58d on June 04, 2007, 05:44:42 PM
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I have made the decision that it is the right time for me to exercise me second amendment right, and become a gun owner. I have no intention of ever hunting. I am simply looking to become licensed, purchase a hand gun for home protection, and hopefully never have to take it out of its lock box aside from cleaning or the shooting range.
I am looking for a weapon that would be easy to maintain for someone with minimal gun experience, as well as enough hitting power if I ever was put in the situation where I had to use it to defend my family and my home.
I'm looking for recommendations on both the weapon, and a weapons safe to house the gun.
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By the way. I don't want to spend more than 1k.
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If Money wasn't an issue, I'd recommend this little baby.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/917_1168984081_ge_xm214_minigun-2.jpg)
You can't possibly miss!:D
(This was out of pure humor)
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A .357 magnum revolver is just the ticket for you. Within your budget, you can have just about any example you'd like. That would be my recommendation.
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What are the major advantages and disadvantages to a revolver opposed to a "clip" gun?
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That;s a question that will take forever to answer, so I'll throw in some major ones and let the other members chime in with the rest.
For starters, simplicity of operation. Inherently reliable and easy to use.
Second, no worries about the readiness condition you keep it in. Load the wheel and store it. Pull the trigger and it goes bang. There's no need to concern yourself with any other step to ensure it's prepared for use, unlike a semi-auto.
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I'll add this: since it's your first one, whatever you decide to buy take a safety class and learn to handle it properly. This is more important than what you choose in the long run.
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Agree; plus it will shoot relatively inexpensive .38 Spl ammo at the range and you can load significantly hotter .357 magnum ammo for home defense if you so choose.
Prices won't break the bank, either.
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.357 is a fine choice, if there is a woman in your house I might also suggest a .32 magnum. The .32MAG is very controllable, concealable and has ample stopping power.
Revolvers are safer by nature than semi-autos. That is not to say that semi-autos are unsafe. They require more practice and instruction to operate safely.
Take a gun safety course, it will cost you about $60 for an 8 hour class.
I have seen good, new .32MAGs in stainless for @$300
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If this is for you (not the wifey/kids) I would highly suggest a 1911 style 45. You can have a good shooter for 300-400 used and 400-700 new.
Also a Glock in 40 S/W is a sweet shooter. No safety and will go bang when you pull the trigger. These can be had for 300 or less.
I would not suggest anything palm sized for home defense. You want something you can grip with a good sight radius that has some weight to help with recoil.
If you carry then above statement is slightly voided. I personally would have a carry gun and a home gun stashed.
If your really gun safety minded I highly reccomend the H&K P7 for concealed carry. (its 9mm but extremly compact for a "full" size gun with a grip safety that will fool anyone not familar with the gun.)
Tritium sights are a must for any gun designated for home defense.
Keep a small high powered flashlight near it as well.
Know your states GUN LAWS!!!!
All states are different in one way or another.
DO NOT GO 9MM FOR HOME DEFENSE!!!!! In my opinion a even 357 is a tad weak for home defense for an able bodied shooter. You want 40 S/W, 10MM (not common), 45 cal, and up
No matter what ammo make sure its +P and a low flash powder. You do not want night blindness in this situation. With soft walls the use of Glaser safety slugs or similar is reccomended.
Any other questions let me know......finally a subject I can add to!
CFYA
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I don't have the energy to dissect that one, but someone else will have some fun with it I'm sure.
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Don't even get me and Lazs started! :D
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lolz.
I still really dig my first, and so far only, gun. A Henry .22 LR lever-action rifle. Ammo's cheap and it's a nice plinker.
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I have fallen in love with the little Taurus 445 44 Special snub nose revolver I bought my wife. MUCH nicer than a 357 Magnum, less muzzle blast, slower, smoother, softer recoil, and the ballistic equivalent, or pretty close to it, of a hot 45ACP. They are VERY hard to find, being out of production for 2-3 years or so. The blued steel brings around $300, the stainless a little more, and the titanium just over $400. You DO NOT want the titanium, even for carry. And you DO NOT want a ported version either. But a better personal defense gun is hard to find for the new shooter. The next purchase for it will be two 5 shot speed loaders, and a holster.
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Couple of things here.
1. Is this the first gun you have ever owned?
2. Do you have ANY experiance with firing a gun?
3. How many people are living in your home with you and what type of home do you live in? Apartment, house, condo?
I ask all this because for a new gun owner it's important that you make the right choice when purchasing a firearm for a specific purpose.
Personaly I would NEVER recomend a handgun for HOME defense. Couple of reasons for this. Handguns take more training to become proficient with. In the event you might actually need it, if you are not 100% sure of your own ablities to handle the weapon and hit your target the very first time, you have problems. A handgun fires a round that can and WILL penetrate the walls in most homes, and will still be deadly to anyone on the other side of the wall. If you miss, you can put everyone else in your home in danger.
I've owned all sorts of guns since I was 14 years old. My personal choice for home defense is a 12 gage pump action shotgun loaded with #4 game loads. The reason I recomend a shotgun is you don't have to be 100% accurate in the heat of the moment. Close is often good enough. Light game loads do NOT carry enough energy through a wall to seriously hurt someone on the other side if it does penetrate, but they will put someone down with a direct hit. Last but not least, a criminal even hears the sound of a pump gun being racked, he knows he's on the receiving end of some very bad news.
A decent shotgun such as a Remington 870 is going to be several hundred dollars cheaper to buy than a good reliable handgun, as well as the ammo being cheaper and more easy to come by. Check around your local area for Trap and Skeet ranges. Learning to shoot a shotgun at small moving targets is the BEST way to learn proper lead, plus it's fun as hell.
Don't limit yourself to a gun your only going to keep locked up in a safe. Get something that you can take out and shoot on a regular basis and have fun with. I've yet to go to a Trap range and not have a great time and meet nice people.
Hanguns are nice but they have their limitations. For a first gun I think a good shotgun will serve you better. They're just easier to use and to get comfortable with. If it's something your wife or girlfriend might have to use, maybe a 20 gage. Something with a little less recoil, but still has plenty of knock down power.
Remington, Wichester, Mossberg, and Bareta all make pump action shotguns in what they call a "Home Defender" model. Short barrel, and a shortened stock. Most are priced anywhere from $300-600 on average. Ammo will run about $4-6 for a box of 25 shells.
Good luck and welcome to the club. :aok
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Originally posted by VOR
A .357 magnum revolver is just the ticket for you. Within your budget, you can have just about any example you'd like. That would be my recommendation.
I'll add this: since it's your first one, whatever you decide to buy take a safety class and learn to handle it properly. This is more important than what you choose in the long run.
Both of these are really good advice.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Couple of things here.
1. Is this the first gun you have ever owned?
2. Do you have ANY experiance with firing a gun?
3. How many people are living in your home with you and what type of home do you live in? Apartment, house, condo?
1 - First firearm I have ever owned
2 - Did a decent amount of shooting as a kid, however, that was over a decade ago and any experience I had is long gone.
3 - solo / condo.
I don't plan on having any type of girlfriend moving in, and I sure as hell dont plan on getting married any time in the next decade, so this weapon will be geared for myself.
I appreciate all the advice guys. Tomorrow i'm going to my local range and I will inquire about training courses and future certification. It sounds like the .357 is pretty popular among the community. I'll definately put some research into that type of weapon.
Cav
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.357 is a good round, just remember though, living in a condo you have people on both sides of you. Penetration IS an issue you need to consider. A standard .357 round can go right through someone and still have enough energy to go through a wall and cause injury, let alone all the folks who will tell you a magnum round or a +P is needed. Those are over powered rounds for what your looking for.
Remember that once you pull the trigger YOU are responsible for EVERYONE in the immediate area. Pop a round through a wall and hurt a neighbor, it's your ass.
I live in an apartment with thick walls and my shotgun is the ONLY gun I keep loaded at home for that very reason. Just something to keep in mind.
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I would say a shotgun like hornet said, when its dark its very tough to aim a Pistol properly, 12 or 20 Gauge would work great.
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BFR .45 Long Colt/.410 Revolver
Doesn't jam, Ball rounds will stop a car, shot rounds will hit "everything" across the average room or down the normal hall with little danger to those on the other side of the wall. Not a hideout or concealed carry gun but even if you miss someone will likely wet their pants.
Easily handled by both my wife and daughter.
A lot depends on whether you want it to look cool, or be deadly effective.
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First Gun??? Only Gun??? Lives in an Apartment??? Need for home Def???
Answer; 12ga 8shot, shooting #4 buckshot....Makes a great club too...
OG
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My first instinct is to agree with Vor, .357 revolver would be a good first gun. Hornet is also right, .357 will pentrate a wall. a bunch of us were out at the "pits" one afternoon and one of our group had made a simple frame from 2x4s. Inside that frame were 2x4s spaced about 4 inches apart. We took turns standing about 20 feet from those 2x4s and firing at it to see who could hit the most 2x4s. one guy had a .22, my .357, another guy his .44 and one of the docs his 1911 .45
We each fired two rounds each, my .357 (138grn hollowpoint and 180gr FMJ) 138grn pentrated 1 2x4s and almost went through the 2nd one,
The 180 busted through 2 and stuck in a 3rd.
The.44 (220gr and a 240? poor memory but close) did three 2x4s but really tore them up. I think the .45 took out only 2 2x4s but pretty much ruined them. That was 85 or 86 so the memory is pretty fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure that my 357 took out at least 2 2x4s from 20 feet.
If your looking for your first handgun, I would pick a .357 revolver.
ON the other hand I have personally seen a shotgun blast through about 3 inches of wall space between two apartment style houses on base. The guy was about 25 feet from his wall and fired. Shot passed through his wall, through his neighbor's wall and hit another wall 25 feet past that. it was atleast #4 but I dont know what choke was being used on the shotgun either.
Shotgun or .357 I think you're going to be dealing with some unwanted pentration. I guessing that in a confrontation in an apartment the maximum distance between you and an unwanted guest would be somewhere between 15 and 20 feet, maybe even closer.
If you want to keep from hitting your neighbors then practice a lot and hit hit the bad guy...
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Originally posted by cav58d
I have made the decision that it is the right time for me to exercise me second amendment right, and become a gun owner. I have no intention of ever hunting. I am simply looking to become licensed, purchase a hand gun for home protection, and hopefully never have to take it out of its lock box aside from cleaning or the shooting range.
I am looking for a weapon that would be easy to maintain for someone with minimal gun experience, as well as enough hitting power if I ever was put in the situation where I had to use it to defend my family and my home.
I'm looking for recommendations on both the weapon, and a weapons safe to house the gun.
cav-
By the way. I don't want to spend more than 1k.
Try this.........
(http://www.crickett.com/CrickettRifle/m221/pink2201a.jpg)
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A few points:
1) .357MAG is statistically rated #1 amongst pistol cartridges for "one shot stops", based on actual shootings. .45ACP is a close second.
2) In many home defense situations, you may be asleep with no warning when the need to defend arises. Depending on where the threat is, accessing a long gun (like a 12 guage pump) may be more difficult - you can't keep it in as many convenient places as you can a pistol.
3) If you are confronted suddenly at extremely close quarters in a tight space, a long gun may be more difficult to manuever for a solution than a pistol. The long gun may also be easier for the intruder to grasp and manuever away from a solution.
4) While its true .357MAG can be a very aggressive penetrator, that's all about what bullet you shoot. You can choose frangible rounds that will reliably expend all their energy in the target and offer little danger of penetrating walls with lethal effect to bystanders.
5) As has already been pointed out, you may fire .38 Special ammo through a .357MAG revolver. This means you can practice shooting with a low power low recoil round, thus be much less likely to be intimidated by the weapon's recoil. Do NOT fall prey to manliness here - recoil and excess muzzle blast from magnum loads can instill flinch in an inexperienced shooter no matter how much testosterone flows through his veins. You'll learn familiarity with your weapon much easier with the lower power loads, and then in a stressed defense situation adrenaline will make sure you never notice the larger blast as you shoot.
Qualifiers:
1) I do personally prefer the sawed-off 12 guage pump as my weapon of choice where appropriate. If I am awakened and alerted, but have time to arm and orient myself to the threat, that's what I am most likely to grab from amongst my many many choices. But, that's partly due to the fact I have spent many an hour practicing CQB drills with most of my appropriate inventory. If I have any doubt that manueverability in tight spaces will be an issue, I'll settle for the pistol as preferable.
2) I do personally prefer the 1911 .45ACP as my defense pistol of choice. I do so even though I also own several .357MAG and .44MAG weapons, whose stopping power I regard highly and which I am very proficient with. I choose the 1911 because of I am just a tad faster getting it out of carry and delivering multiple rounds on target than with the revolvers. Not much faster, mind you (I have on one occasion taken the money pot from a bunch of cops who were shooting bowling pins with their auto pistols while I shot my single-action Super Blackhawk .44MAG) but every hundredth of a second counts here.
Summary:
You give lack of current ownership as a factor, as well as limited experience. The revolver is the simplest repeating weapon to load and shoot. It is compact, stores and manuevers easily. The .357MAG is arguably the most reliably "man-stopper", borne out by real-world statictics. It is also easy to learn, and you can do so with low-power inexpensive ammo.
Its the best place to start your collection.
Be sure to schedule and attend a safety course, and take your family as well.
~S~ and enjoy :)
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ok... I am a fan of revolvers. Modern semi autos are worlds ahead of what they had even a few decades ago tho... the ammo is better and the guns are better. I never even liked 1911's a few decades ago.. they jammed and were inaccurate except in the custom guns costing thousands and with ball ammo.
Whoever said that he felt the .357 was weak could not be more wrong... it is consistently rated the number one stopper of men. with 125 grain hollow points it will stop a man in his tracks about 90% of the time with one shot to the torso.
some good advice here but..
if it is your first gun and you have not shot much... go to a range that rents guns. You may find that a revolver just doesn't feel right to you. They are normally much more accurate than most semi autos but.. that may not be the case for you. no matter what.. if you don't like the gun it won't be the best choice.
handguns are harder to learn to shoot well. Still.. truth is you hopefully won't be shooting anyone anyway.. you may end up pointing it at someone to get them to stop doing whatever they were doing.. if you have to shoot it will most likely be at close range. If you miss.. he will run. That is the reality. But.. little old grannies hit bad guys in the house.. it is not as hard as people make it sound.
Semi autos are much more reliable and accurate than in the past but they still do have their limitations.. the best of the breeds have eliminated most of the limitations but they still exist.
A gun that is locked up or unloaded is pretty much worthless... I have a gun safe.. My Kimber 45 and 44 mag are both in the room with me and loaded.. when I go to work they will go into the safe. If I need a gun to go to the range I open the safe.. if I need a gun to defend myself I grab the one next to me.
Any gun will work better than no gun and a 32 in your hand is fine whereas a 45 in the safe is worthless. I would not feel unarmed with a 22 single action revolver or black powder cap and ball. The secret is in knowing how to use the gun you have on you and the willingness to do it.
lazs
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Ruger 10-22.
They're cheap, accurate, and you can shoot all day at the range for $10 in ammo. All of the other suggestions here have been good guns, but how useful can you be with 'em if you can't afford to put a few hundred or thousand rounds through targets in practice?
Sure, it's a rifle, but it'll protect your family (assuming you're not being taken down by huge insectoids from Starship Troopers or something), it's cheap to buy, cheap to operate, and you can spend some time developing the basics.
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ferndale has a point... how many of you frieghtened little boys have ever needed a seatbelt?
Fire insurance? Accident insurance? why are you wasting your time and money?
If you have never needed a gun then how would it be possible that you would ever need one?
In the old days... when kids were allowed to bring guns to school for NRA sponsored gun safety classes and way back when in the days when there were evil people in the world... you might have needed one but now... with the "gun free zones" and welfare and such there simply are no people out there who would wish you harm... and even if there were... there are laws against hurting you... and... policemen to protect you.
lazs
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I concur with the revolver situation. If you plan to do minimal shooting with it other than initial shooting while new or occasional plinking the revolver requires less training or practice to be good in the role you have outlined.
I also agree with the .357 and like Toad said the ammo is cheap and readily available.
I would recommend a stainless revolver, either a model 66 S&W or a Ruger security six. Taurus also makes some nice revolvers for the budget minded and they do OK for occasional or hobby use.
I recommended stainless simply because they require less maintenance, especially in a high humidity environment. That does NOT mean you can clean it in the dishwasher however.
I'd also suggest you get the adjustable sights just to make it more adaptable to different kinds of ammo.
I do not advise a long gun for any home defense use. It's too clumsy in a confined space. Don't buy into the myth that you don't need to aim a shotgun to get a hit on the desired target.
I strongly suggest you get the CCW class if it is offered in your area even if you never intend to apply for the permit. Not only is it good practice but they will likely give you good info about when to shoot and more importantly when NOT to shoot.
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Before you buy anything, Google info about the Springfield XD .45 ACP, especially with 4-inch barrel and the Glock TL22 Tactical Light/Laser.
Best combo I've ever found for fun plinking, target shooting, and home defense.
Look at one at a gun store and rent one at a firing range. Guns are very subjective -- one person's treasure is another's reject.
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this is what you need
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/874_1181061237_guns_girl.jpg)
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I shoot more than the average police officer and have shot just about everything in the book. .357 is a great gun and one of the best rounds on the market for the past 40 years.
I would say if you need something that you can pack in your bags our car a clock 19 is a fine choice. Small, light no maintain required point and shoot. At a retail price of $500 and boxs of ammo for $9 shoot the piss out of it and keep it as a paper weight on your desk at night. I am willing to bet it doesn't matter if you get shot by a 9mm our a .357 that person is going to be in a world of hurt and looking for the fastest way out.
Our a Remington 870 with a 18inch barrel at walmart would be a better idea. That's going to cost you $250 out the door and $5 for a box of 00 buck. You can kill rabbits up grizzly bears with a 12ga..
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all good suggestions. A handgun and a long gun are two different animals.
You can do things with a handgun that you can't do with the long gun... like have it on or near you when you need it. A revolver can be a nightstand paperweight till ya need it.
I like em all and fortunately we don't have to own just one. I would probly go with my 44 mag and 4" barrel if that were the case... Long gun? would be a tough choice between my garand and shotgun.
The most important thing tho is to not vote for democrats... every single gun suggested here save a single or double barrel shotgun... is on their "to be banned" list.
lazs
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My first gun back in when i was 14 that i bought was a Benelli super 90 HK.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=73083130
It is my best friend and never lets me down.
Versatile make this gun so special.
For Mexico dove hunting i purchased a extension for 8 rounds.
For quail i purchased a 24 inch barrel.
For pigs i purchased a pistol grip stock and tapped and drilled for a red dot. This configuration is also deadly for spring turkey.
Thousands and thousands of shell have been shot from this gun and i would trust it with my life. I will never part with this gun and it will always be in my family has long as i am around.
Its not the prettiest gun in the safe.
Man it can rock and role down in Mexico to Llano..
Everyone needs a 12ga in the house
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I am a LE Sergeant, am retired US Army, have been a competitive shooter for 35 years, have been a firearms instructor 30 years, and was the plant manager for Kimber of America (firearms manufacturer).
First, get training. Not just basic firearms training, but use of force training also. I’m positive you can find a trainer/school in your area that provides both.
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I usually recommend a .357 Magnum revolver as a personal defense firearm for new shooters.
1. Allows you to use relatively inexpensive low-recoil .38 Specials for training, plus you can use .38 Special +P loads for self defense until you develop the ability to comfortably use the 125 grain jacketed hollow-point .357 Magnums (which is still one of the best, if not the best, defensive loads available).
2. Revolvers have an “ease of use” factor plus are extremely reliable and are easier to maintain when compared to auto-loaders.
Using factory center fire ammunition I have never had a “failure to fire” using a quality revolver out of the tens of thousands of rounds I’ve fired in revolvers; I can’t say the same with my auto-loader handguns (I like and own several auto-loaders as well as several revolvers, and I have a high degree of trust in my auto-loaders – but I also spend a lot more time shooting and testing my guns with various rounds than most folks)
As an alternative, a shotgun is also a decent choice, but I take exception to a couple things posted so far.
At less than thirty feet (10 yards) a shotgun still needs to be aimed. My LE Remington 870 (18” barrel) produces about a nice five inch pattern. At fifteen feet (a more realistic home defense range) the nine pellets of 00 Buck cluster at about two inches. Yes, a handgun can group tighter, but both will require aiming at this range to insure a well placed hit. At forty to fifty feet, the shotgun spread gets to such that “pointing” (instead of “aiming”) the shotgun starts to become viable.
Any twelve gauge load (even a twenty gauge) can over penetrate standard double dry wall construction at close range, just as single projectile ammunition. The problem is with “shot pattern density” or “concentration of the shot”. We took a LE twelve-gauge loaded with #6 bird shot and shot clear through a section of double dry wall construction at ten feet. The shot pattern density at this range was dense enough to act as a solid projectile. Heavier shot will act like multiple single heavy projectiles – 00 Buck pellets are .33 caliber each and will act like multiple .32 Magnums fired from a handgun in penetration.
Hope this is informative,
(http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/2122/joeterrysmallerhz1.th.jpg) (http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joeterrysmallerhz1.jpg)
This is me at a recent shotgun training. I'm the handsome one on the right. Note the ten yard pattern.
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That looks like a good 10 yrd pattern. I like a my shot gun to pattern about the size of a basket ball at 25-30 yrds for hunting. Also i feel that the 2 3/4 00 buck pattern better than the 3 inch. Have you ever tested the 2 3/4 over the 3 inch before.
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No side-by-side comparison. That one in the picture is with a 2 3/4 inch shell.
Peace,
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Next time i am out at the ranch i will test 2 3/4 VS 3 inch. I dont have any paper targets only steel set up. Most of the time i pattern on a salamanderly pear. If i get three holes in the patty, that's good for me at 30 yrds.
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I've yet to fire a 3-inch shell in my 12-gauge Stoeger coach shotgun. 2 3/4, especially magnum, has been plenty enough thrill so far.
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Ruger 10-22.
They're cheap, accurate, and you can shoot all day at the range for $10 in ammo. All of the other suggestions here have been good guns, but how useful can you be with 'em if you can't afford to put a few hundred or thousand rounds through targets in practice?
Sure, it's a rifle, but it'll protect your family (assuming you're not being taken down by huge insectoids from Starship Troopers or something), it's cheap to buy, cheap to operate, and you can spend some time developing the basics.
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I liked my old model Ruger 10-22, and thought I would like the new sleeker 10-22 even better. Wrong. The mag release and bolt locks were pains, and two extra Ruger mags I bought didn't feed right.
Messed around with modifications, still couldn't develop confidence in the new 10-22, and finally was happy to trade it in. After researching more, now have a simpler more reliable Marlin Model 60 14-shot tubular and much prefer it over the 10-22.
I'm still a Ruger fan, but not of the new 10-22.
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Originally posted by cav58d
What are the major advantages and disadvantages to a revolver opposed to a "clip" gun?
It's a "magazine". Come on man, you say "clip" in the military, well good luck.
Get either a .357 or a .45 Auto. I have HK USP 45 and love it. I want to get a 1911 now.
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Originally posted by Halo
I've yet to fire a 3-inch shell in my 12-gauge Stoeger coach shotgun. 2 3/4, especially magnum, has been plenty enough thrill so far.
Funny story about that coach gun. We purchased the same gun for one of my friends b-days. In Cotulla we dared him to pull both trigger's with 00 buck. He did and the gun split his lip (: Whats great is that its all on video. That person holds a elective postion with the Texas goverment. To this day he has confirmed that he has a copy but will burn it before we get our hands on it.
I think he is worried that we would put it up on your tube (:
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asa335... you are going to make dago mad. There is a loaded Kimber eclipse 45 sitting near me as I type.. first semi auto pistol I truly trusted. Still.. I like my 44 mag revolvers and my 360 smith pd in .357 for a pocket gun.
I would recommend people try a 44 mag in say a redhawk or new smith.... these are manageable sized... If the recoil does not bother you or you like it... they are very accurate.. if you reload you can load down for the house and up for long range.. I believe the 44 mag in the right hand and.... for a reloader... is the most versitile handgun going.
Shotguns? I am not very good with one... I have two model 97 winchesters tho... They are reliable in the extreme.
The garand is a rock... it is powerful and accurate and reliable.
for 22's.. I have a 1952 K22 masterpiece revolver that is just sweet... I also have a conversion to 22 for my Cz75 clone that shoots well.
lazs
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Halo,
I have an old Marlin, the one with the stock cut to look a little like an M1 carbine and a Ruger 10/22. The Marlin is at least 30 years old and is the gun I take with me the most for .22 plinking or hunting. The Ruger is nice, but heavy, the sights are too close to the comb of the stock and pretty coarse and the magazines are too expensive and a PITA to deal with. That old Marlin tube feed just keeps on working and the accuracy is just fine for hunting.
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Originally posted by lazs2
for 22's.. I have a 1952 K22 masterpiece revolver that is just sweet...
I've been trying to find one at one of those prices that makes everyone else jealous for a while now. No luck yet.
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I'm looking for a .22 conversion kit for my Desert Eagle .50, any ideas?
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I'm not aware of such a conversion kit for that model, Chairboy. I gotta ask, tho...aww, nevermind. :D
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Originally posted by VOR
I'm not aware of such a conversion kit for that model, Chairboy. I gotta ask, tho...aww, nevermind. :D
maybe he just needs a wrist brace :D :cool:
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It's to save money on ammo, obviously!
I should have asked for a .22 conversion kit for a Barret .50, that would have been better bait.
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The CZ conversion is sweet.. the reason is that it consists of a barrel, slide (with adjustable sights) recoil spring (captured) and of course... a mag.
The way a CZ 75 or clone takes down is a 10 second operation. I can go from 45 auto to 22 in maybe 15 seconds. Both slides use their own sights so it is a seamless operation.
lazs
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You about to go to University or something?
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Absolutely, Bluto. Universities aren't safe anymore. Somebody posted a "no guns allowed" sign. It didn't seem to work.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
It's to save money on ammo, obviously!
I should have asked for a .22 conversion kit for a Barret .50, that would have been better bait.
I was onto you. You almost had me though.