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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on June 05, 2007, 06:36:39 AM
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I have been on AH for around 6 months now and have always been a Knight. I dont know why bit it seems disloyal to consider being anything else despite the fact that from the inside the knights seem least co ordinated and most inept of the three.
Can anyone explain why they are a Knight rook or bish and what characterises each of the three?
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Knights are the noble warriors of AH2, playing always well organised & fair.
Bishops are the Defenders of the Faith of Pure Aerial Combat.
Rooks are the solid foundation of this game, the honorable helping hand when you need one.
;)
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First months in AH1 i was a rook but then went knit to join a squad and been there ever since. Now im in another knit squad but if i wasnt i could just as well be a rook. Bish is out of the question tho.... too many oWHINERSo :)
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Bish = HOers
Nits = Gangers
Rooks= Alt monkeys
I have been all three and nits and rooks are about a tie, bish have alot of noob squeakers.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Knights are the noble warriors of AH2, playing always well organised & fair.
Bishops are the Defenders of the Faith of Pure Aerial Combat.
Rooks are the solid foundation of this game, the honorable helping hand when you need one.
;)
......and Lusche is a big fat liarer! :D
Some people say there a differances between the differant side, but I've been all 3 and it just isn't so. All sides have there ups and downs. One day there are all organized and are just marching across the map, other days they seem to be in "furball" mode and do nothing but up fighter after fighter to die a heathly death :) Other times there in Gvs.
Each side is what YOU make of it. There are good people on every team, just have fun!
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Originally posted by Larry
I have been all three and nits and rooks are about a tie, bish have alot of noob squeakers. [/B]
maybe this why i don't have the PM problem, i squelch half the people in my own country.
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I've playd on all sides, I started bish and was there for bout 2 months, then joined the AA's who were rook and stayed there for about 7-8months. Have just done a little over a month with the knits.
Bish have most of the newbs but also some great teamwork/horde flying as well as some very successful squads i.e. LTARs.
Knights have the most individualistic players (despite having some very successful squads) which leads to the knits almost never really working together and almost never winning a reset--glimmers of hope are seen, but quickly get dashed much of the time.
Rooks seem to have the most veteran players, some very successful squads and more players who fly together though teamwork on the rooks is iffy at best. Generally I've noticed the Rooks fly in hordes, when they want a base, which overwhelms many of their targets.
These are just general observations from my point of view, other's will surey disagree, but to each their own.
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It's all the same.
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Originally posted by AAolds
I've playd on all sides, I started bish and was there for bout 2 months, then joined the AA's who were rook and stayed there for about 7-8months. Have just done a little over a month with the knits.
Knights have the most individualistic players (despite having some very successful squads) which leads to the knits almost never really working together and almost never winning a reset--glimmers of hope are seen, but quickly get dashed much of the time.
Certainly this corresponds to my experience as a Knight
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Of course all sides have their good days but to answer the original post.
Heres my take on it.
Bish = Horde, ganging, mishun, uber plane HO's.
Knights = Prepared to scrap it out fight fair. Organised land grabbing a rarity. Most of the time have least amount of players. Grillman's "parties" lower their tone to bish status.
Rooks = on average better fighter pilots. can do some successful missions but lack strategy.
I've developed a hatred of the Bish because of their overall dweebery. It must be said that all teams however have their excellent sticks and good fights can be found whatever team your on.
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Knights seem to have allot of skillfull players but seem unable to concentrate on any target if it is not emmediately achived and quickly wander off in disperate directions pusueing I dont know what.
I realise there are a certain number of players who only want to furball and dog fight but I think if you asked most knights what they were doing at any time they would have some explanation in terms of a bigger picture but it would mostly be uncoordinated and therefore diminished in effect.
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I switched from Rooks to Bish because when i was playing the rooks dident work together at all.
ME: Guys Base A23 is under attack.
OTHER ROOK PLAYERS: so who cares.
ME:what, y. Its a large base next to HQ and 3 VH's.
OTHER ROOK PLAYERS: o well. We dont need it anyways.
ME::mad:
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Knights seem to have allot of skillfull players but seem unable to concentrate on any target if it is not emmediately achived and quickly wander off in disperate directions pusueing I dont know what.
I would use the word unwilling rather than unable, but most knits seem to have the ADHD syndrome... myself included :D
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Originally posted by ForrestS
I switched from Rooks to Bish because when i was playing the rooks dident work together at all.
ME: Guys Base A23 is under attack.
OTHER ROOK PLAYERS: so who cares.
ME:what, y. Its a large base next to HQ and 3 VH's.
OTHER ROOK PLAYERS: o well. We dont need it anyways.
ME::mad:
YOU= n00b squeaker
thats why
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Knights = Az (so, they suck)
Bish = Bz (so, they suck and swallow)
Rooks = Cz (they rool your sheep!)
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I've been a knight since I joined the 332nd, except in the EW and MW arenas, where I'll go whatever side is lowest.
I've found that the rooks as a group are more skilled pile-its than the bish, but the bish are much more likely to horde/mob.
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Originally posted by yayyyy
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I'm excluding yayyyy from my analysis.
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KNIGHT
The unsung heroes of AH. Always out numbered but put up a good fight. Which they spend most of their time doing. There seems little to none for daily co-ordination but can get it together from time to time.
BISH
Co-ordinated mission users. Resemble the USSR tactics at times. All and everything thrown in to the capture. Have the most suiciders and err gamey so an so's. I liken the bish to snowmen. When it gets HOT they melt away.
ROOKS
Can be co-ordinated but won't miss out on a furball. Strategy is lacking but captures are not. Many good sticks and the best admiral in the game :D
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Most of the Time I dont know what country Im on...Green is good Red is bad...
I find Nits and Rooks to be the same....
I know when im bish because I see people shooting the remains of the plane I just shot down.
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So who wins the war most often?
I dont want to state the farkin obvious (actually I obviously do) but does this have any bearing on the issue?
Obviously we all despise nOObs and Squeakers with a vengence and the side that tolerates this sort of thing along with Dweebyness has clear inferior tendancies, while I am sure we are all in favour of mobbing and slaughtering the enemy does actually winning add to the experience eh? :t
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Originally posted by Platano
I know when im bish because I see people shooting the remains of the plane I just shot down.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Been on for one reset.
Meh. BFD.
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the other day i was defending a CV alone in my Chog.
after about 15 mins of mindlessly slaughtering the ju88s, dive bomers and low skilled fighters they sunk the CV.
someone sent me a PM saying "AHAHA! you lost, your CV is dead , we won"
i chuckled at that prospect as i lazily rtb'ed with 17 kills.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
the other day i was defending a CV alone in my Chog.
after about 15 mins of mindlessly slaughtering the ju88s, dive bomers and low skilled fighters they sunk the CV.
someone sent me a PM saying "AHAHA! you lost, your CV is dead , we won"
i chuckled at that prospect as i lazily rtb'ed with 17 kills.
That's funny. Watch the latest Red vs. Blue for the mindset that makes the dweebs do this.
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The grass is always greener...
We are all the same as teams. We all have our generals, we have our aces who care little for gameplay, we have our squeakers, and buttholes, and we have buds who if they were your neighbor, you'd be best of friends.
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I'm a knight, so yeah, we're outnumbered in LW most of the time, and we're used to it.
Bish at least get my salute for putting together some decent offensives at altitudes lower than outer space.
Rook? Jeesh guys....can you fly at LESS THAN 35K for a fight? Ask HTC if they will put a 20mm on a Space Shuttle for ya.
68ROX
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Originally posted by Platano
I know when im bish because I see people shooting the remains of the plane I just shot down.
I must be a Nit then cause I stayed off your target while covering your 6 last night and broke off after you killed him. Maybe even 2x? What no one seems to realize is there really ARE enough targets to go around around for everyone.
Speak for experience...lessee....
I was a Nit for 8 years, a Rook for 7 years and a Bish for 12 years. I couldn't tell much difference other than the call signs changed....can you? :D
Ren
Arizona Beach Front Property Sales Manager
Opps wait a minute I'm only 31! Yeah, thats right...I began when I was 5. :lol
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8+7 = 15
15+12 = 27
31 - 27 = 4
;)
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well us knights dont really work well together... some ppl dont want to admit it but, atleast bish and rooks can put a mission together with more than 5 ppl, i rarely see a big goob knight mission
O and 68ROX lol rofl
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Knights have the most individualistic players (despite having some very successful squads) which leads to the knits almost never really working together and almost never winning a reset--glimmers of hope are seen, but quickly get dashed much of the time.
OMG! I have never seen it put so well! I've said the same thing for a long time (being a Knit for a while I can say it with some authority), but have never yet found such perfect prose to state it!
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Originally posted by redman555
well us knights dont really work well together... some ppl dont want to admit it but, atleast bish and rooks can put a mission together with more than 5 ppl, i rarely see a big goob knight mission
I'd be interested to see the squad dispersion between countries, that might indicate why knights are less able to work as a group.
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I have long studied the "birds of a feather flock together" phenomena in AH. Rather than write a lengthy essay on it, I will sum it up for you...
Bish Mentality: One toolshed is worth 1,000 deaths. Bish will suicide themselves in a frenzy of mindless HO'ing or pork n 'augering if it means even the tiniest hope of taking a field. There is nothing sacred to a Bish when it comes to landgrabbing, the ends justify the means. From a fighter pilot's perspective I find Bish have a much lower skill quotient in general than the other two countries.There are exceptions but if I see a swarm of HO'ing Lgay7's and Spit16s spiral diving after a wingless fuselage, I don't have to look at their icon to know they're Bish..
Knight Mentality: Knights really like to establish CAP and farm kills, not necessarily by design. A distinct lack of bomber pilots and people who generally fly heavy means long periods of vulching. Knights will tend to establish CAP over a field and vulch patiently for hours while their lone buff dude flies back and forth taking town down and fetching troops. From a fighter pilot's perspective Knights have a broad spectrum of skill levels of relatively equal proportion, from the guy who can only get kills vulching to the steeley eyed predators.
Rook Mentality: Rooks tend to be all about the furball. Base taking is completely secondary to the furball. Generally, Rooks will dogpile a good furball until the point their numbers create a situation where taking the enemy's base at the other side is the only thing left to do, so they do it. Rooks therefore tend to end up gang-banging alot, because they are individually drawn compulsively to the largest concentration of aircraft on the map. From a fighter pilot's perspective Rooks have a much higher proportion of the category I refer to as the predator, usually experienced fighter pilots who do alot of killing and relatively little dying, so tend to fly higher than average.
Zazen
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Here comes some hard data:
Tour 88 (the last month):
All models have 245047 Kills of Knights.
All models have 227246 Deaths by Knights
Knight K/D 0.93
All models have 259590 Kills of Bishops
All models have 229410 Deaths by Bishops
Bishop K/D 0.88
All models have 224253 Kills of Rooks
All models have 272234 Deaths by Rooks
Rook K/D 1.21
The interpretation is up to you ;)
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Knits:
Fight the fight. Look for a good fight. Doesn't matter if it's over a field or not. Can't take a field 19 times out of 20. Probably the best cross-section of pilots.
Bish:
Usually competent. Often more willing to fight (more aggressive) than rook. Will fight even at disadvantage, but usually steamrolls with hordes across multiple bases.
Rook:
Mindless newbies will endlessly approach at 25k to an airfield, drop bombs on it then die instantly (purposefully or not) or run like a scalded cat for 10 sectors rather than fight. Often fighters will come in with 10-15k alt advantage, make 1 pass then hit the deck (see scalded cat comment). There ARE some good pilots, but the vast majority don't want to fight. "Clog the gun barrels with corpses" is their best strategy.
P.S. As a knit, given the choice I'd rather fight a bish pilot. They actually want a fight, and will give me one. They might actually shoot me down too. If I fight rooks it's usually Marianas Turkey shoot vs a giant sea of red dots (and hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut, so they could shoot me down, but not with the level of skill a bish shows). Mind you that's all in a very general way, not specific to individual pilots.
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I think all are about the same. I just like killing BoPs
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Originally posted by culero
Knights = Az (so, they suck)
Bish = Bz (so, they suck and swallow)
Rooks = Cz (they rool your sheep!)
Knits Bz
Bish Az
Rooks Cz
Most sides are roughly the same. The BIG diff. you will find is time of day. Big diff. from U.S. moring and U.S. prime time.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
8+7 = 15
15+12 = 27
31 - 27 = 4
;)
MUAHAHAHAHA! Good one!!!
Seeing as how the flt sims haven't been on for 27 years and I'm not 31 it has as much value as trying to choose a side. IMHO, choose a side, fly with those folks, make friends and enjoy the experience, if you get the trots try another country,...lessee, fly with those folks, make friends, etc. Before you know it you'll have a lot of friends just about everywhere you look in the arenas.
It's amazing to see how some squads are so narrow minded that if one of their own flies in another country for training or to wing with a friend that it's considered the worst blasphemy, worthy of ex-communication from the squad. I hate to say it but this is supposed to be fun not your lifes endeavor.
Ren
The Thinking Out Loud Group for the Lazy
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Originally posted by Lusche
Here comes some hard data:
Tour 88 (the last month):
All models have 245047 Kills of Knights.
All models have 227246 Deaths by Knights
Knight K/D 0.93
All models have 259590 Kills of Bishops
All models have 229410 Deaths by Bishops
Bishop K/D 0.88
All models have 224253 Kills of Rooks
All models have 272234 Deaths by Rooks
Rook K/D 1.21
The interpretation is up to you ;)
Great stuff, take a look at similiar stat driven analysis I did several years ago, notice how the data is almost identical...
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107685
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=125694
The data is almost a mirror image, past and present. To have such unique data be so consistant over the years is proof that "Birds of a feather flock together". All countries are not the same, they conduct themselves differently, from the individual level to the group level.
Zazen
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As a Bish here's my perspective:
Knights: More noobs than the other 2 countries, thus kills come easier against the Knights. Knights also have a few veteran milk-runners who, when cornered, don't live up to their standings (rank). Knights have a decided propensity to fight Bish, probably because Bish fight Knights because they are easier to kill than Rooks. Knights rarely capture bases and when they do they lose them back quickly.
Rooks: Grab the O2 mask to fight these guys. Just when you thought 20K was safe you'll meet them at 22-23K. If their not in the stratosphere they are mired in the muck furballing mindlessly away. Rooks have more skilled pilots than Knights or Bish and are occasionally able to organize and steamroll fields as Bish and Knights pound away on each other, oblivious to the Rooks.
Bish: Bish have the fewest skilled pilots but compensate with communication and numbers. Bish communicate/coordinate well in both base capture mode and in a furball. A few leadership types plan mass strikes on enemy targets and comfort is often found among the many. To their detriment, their primary agenda of base captures/re-sets is often stalled as inexperienced players seeking safety rely on defensive tactics.
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
MUAHAHAHAHA! Good one!!!
I hate to say it but this is supposed to be fun not your lifes endeavor.
Excuse me but who are you to say what it is "supposed to be" you are allowed to say what it is for you and no more. If people want to play to win who are you to say thats not what its about.
:mad: :furious :p :cool: ;) :) :t
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Well, I would love to belong to one country and serve it loyaly. However, the BK high command does not allow me to be a loyal citizen to any country. So, I guess, I am just another trator but it is not my fault.
I am just following orders :confused:
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The grass is always greener...
We are all the same as teams. We all have our generals, we have our aces who care little for gameplay, we have our squeakers, and buttholes, and we have buds who if they were your neighbor, you'd be best of friends.
Well said Filth! And you can bring the pizza!
I don't care for any one specific country and it helps to rotate to get a handle on everything going on...
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, I would love to belong to one country and serve it loyaly. However, the BK high command does not allow me to be a loyal citizen to any country. So, I guess, I am just another trator but it is not my fault.
I am just following orders :confused:
:rofl
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i am not loyal to any particular chess piece. but the same can be said about all three. a bunch of players who aren't better then me. Basically i pwn in all shades of chess piece. That mostly has to do with me being awsome. Since there are only 2 BKs on at a time i try to fly with those BKs. that is all thanks for your time, it was your pleasure. dud out :aok
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Originally posted by LYNX
ROOKS
Can be co-ordinated but won't miss out on a furball. Strategy is lacking but captures are not. Many good sticks and the best admiral in the game :D
I've found a strategy which seems to work well. Just tell them on channel that the field you are attacking is capped and the vulch is on.
:lol
Still haven't figured out a way to get them to come for base defense other than telling them there is a furball at that base.
BTW I dunno why everyone always says Rooks are alt moneys.. I've always thought the Knights were the monkeys up high.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Here comes some hard data:
Tour 88 (the last month):
All models have 245047 Kills of Knights.
All models have 227246 Deaths by Knights
Knight K/D 0.93
All models have 259590 Kills of Bishops
All models have 229410 Deaths by Bishops
Bishop K/D 0.88
All models have 224253 Kills of Rooks
All models have 272234 Deaths by Rooks
Rook K/D 1.21
The interpretation is up to you ;)
Rooks would probably have 1.5 kill/death ratio if it wasn't for me.. :D
I always get ticked off of that 50 other Rooks jump in on the kill I was after. So to solve that problem, I always go look for the biggest glob of red I can find and dive in. Hence I normally never land with my wings attached.
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Well Here Comes The Bashing.
Im a knight, as a matter of fact yarbles your in my squad. I wish you would bring this up in our forums, but hey.
Well for starters just plain suck at team work. I think everyone on the knights, are out for fun. Theres some serious squad action when it can be had, but for the most part were just all doing our thing, and screw our fellow country man.
People pizz and moan how this base gets captured, and theres no defense, and this that and the other. Frankly Ive stopped caring. For now. i have too much going on in my personal life.
Heres what needs to happen. Troops need to be destroyed at surrounding bases. Hasnt happened. Probable with the advent of the new ack, people just dont go and pork troops or ords, I refuse to order any of my squaddies to do this, even though I know it must be done. Why, because it sucks, and its thankless.
Base taking, havent seen too many good ones, unless were coordinating it.
Period.
Then its really if we have the pilots to fit the billot. WHich is why I posted in our forums, on how we should approach this. Because getting outside help as of late just, well sucks. Support for Missions has dwindled. Sorry folks, but unless I have 12 squaddies on, Im not posting public missions. Mostly from the standpoint, I get alot of newbs, who I dont mind helping, but its tiresome. I dont have the patience anymore to explain how to bomb, especially when Im counting on you to hit your target. The sand box is over there. If it seems I take this game seriously, I do. Very much so, I hate losing. I also wouldnt have started a sqaud with the name Precision if I wasnt a perfectionist. :p
So for the most part, when people are furballing the bases away. I will be right there with you. My ACM is getting better as a result.
Cheers
FLOATSUP
ps, I havent seen the other side, took one tour, for a month long ago, so havent a clue as to how the other sides are. Other then crunchy when heated.
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Originally posted by 4deck
Well for starters just plain suck at team work. I think everyone on the knights, are out for fun.
You sir have figured out what the problem is with this game and the comunity in general. Unfortunatly, there is no solution to our problem. People will keep trying to have fun and not do what we tell them to. They refuse to drop what they are doing and follow our orders or play our way. Thats just sick and I think it shows the state of our county or even the world.
This behavior is redicilus. Unfortunatly, the only solution to our problem can only come from the game creators themselfs. Therefore, I propose that the following functionality be added to the system:
.Report Fun . If a player is reported of having fun, he should get a writen warning. Ofcorse, consistent abouse of the game in the name of fun should result in the player being baned.
Sir
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Now thats some funny ch!t Dedalos:aok
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Originally posted by 4deck
Now thats some funny ch!t Dedalos:aok
Comon now. The proper reaction would be to get all pissedoff and tell me to get some manners lol. :lol
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I have to say I have only been a knight and only been in one squadron (precision) but within Knights precision and 68 seem to be the only squadrons who actually fight as a squadron and when they do I think it is great fun to act as part of a team and work together. An endless round of duels and free for alls to me is diverting but a bit limited in the brain depertment. There doesnt seem to be allot of strategic or analytic thought involved in furballing and there is no satisfaction for me in going it alone in a bomber or GV with no greater purpose.
I understand for some that the bases and the war etc are irrelevant in there minds but I think without them the game would dissapear in a very short time.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I would use the word unwilling rather than unable, but most knits seem to have the ADHD syndrome... myself included :D
more like the K/D syndrome :)
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I have flown bish the most. Istarted off as a rook but found they were a bit... dull. I then went to bish for a week, made some good aquantinces and i then went nit for three days; they caused me to sortern my proposed week there as i was leaving out of despair.
So here's my take
Rooks; Some very 'cunning' players and a some of the very best sticks. But i find rooks tend to have had in the past the most devious ;) players. i have to give a BIG 11/10 for their porking, even if it is very annoying.
Bishops; Bish have a huge range of skill and charecters. I have found they have the most fun and laughs too. We have some of the very best squads and some of the squeakiest noobs. Bish mix strategy and pi$$ing about.
Knights; the nits tend to be fair game. They're very average in many aspects. They have not too many bad players, but not too many great ones. They lack strategy but will always put up a fair fight.
:noid
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Originally posted by Yarbles
I have been on AH for around 6 months now and have always been a Knight. I dont know why bit it seems disloyal to consider being anything else despite the fact that from the inside the knights seem least co ordinated and most inept of the three.
Can anyone explain why they are a Knight rook or bish and what characterises each of the three?
Actually, you seem to be getting some good opinions to this thread.
Since the MA broke into the EW, MW, and two LW arenas; the earlier differences I noticed between the Chess piece countries has sort of merged. You find good, bad, ugly, and hordes among all three at times, among the two LW arenas, and a bit of milkrunning in EW and MW.
I flew Rooks and LCA for my first year (almost 1-1/2 years) in the game. Since the MA break up, and my taking a few breaks from the game, I've pretty much gone into a mode where I choose the least populated country to fly in in one of the LW's. I will try to fight against the "horde". If ENY really kicks in for the horde, it means I get to fly my higher ENY planes against rides other than the ever-present Pony-D's, La-7's, Splixteens, Nikis, and C-hogs. If on low pop country and ENY kicks in, it means very cheap Me262's, if I feel like a jet.
If there is a very high amount of squeakers on the low pop chess piece country, and I don't feel like pushing the limits of squelch, I will move to second most populated country.
If I see an interesting, or well created mission, I'll jump in. I find myself flying fighters in field defense a lot, or attack planes against GV's. (I used to fly heavy bombers a lot, but not much since MA break up and smaller maps became the norm). If a squad is putting together a series of missions, and they are proving to be a good and friendly time, I'll fly along for a night.
I fly RONIN. No loyalty to cartoon chess pieces.
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Seem to be grains of truth throughout this thread. All sides have more in common than not, but as Zazen points out, "birds of a feather" will tend to one country or another, and thus you can say each has a personality.
The "Rookunaut" tends to be a theme, so you can say generally a higher proportion of alt-monkeys play rook. All countries have them, but proportionally more are in Rookland. One could also argue this is flying "smart", or at the very least trying to gain advantage, which probably helps explain their better K/D ratio. It also seems most (although certainly not all) of the players who are known rank-chasers are on Rook, so again, flying at an advantage/smart/timid/whatever term people want to use is more common there.
The Nit "Furballer," unconcerned about the land game, but only about the fight and occasional vulch-fest also rings true. They tend to fight when it is relatively even or when they are at an advantage, but get bored and move on if they find themselves at a heavy disadvantage. Any type of coordinated assault they actually begin will melt away if seriously opposed.
The Bish "Landgrabber" also seems true. Zazan's amusing (if somewhat insulting) way of expressing it aside, what he says is largely true. Proportionally more Bish are willing to do what it takes to either move the front forward, or prevent the opposition from advancing (i.e. porking runs even post uber-ack are still common). This helps explain their poor K/D ratio as often attacks will continue well beyond the point of prudence, defenses continue even after the field is under vulch, and deaths to unmanned field ack are likely much more common than in the other countries.
I think these differences are quite wonderful. It helps show the great variety of ways there are to "have fun" depending on what you are looking for, and once you decide what you want, there is a "home" for you.
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I generally have to check which country I'm flying for when I log in as the standard practice of my 80th Headhunters is to go to the low numbers side.
This is our way of helping provide more targets for the horde :)
As near as i can tell, folks are the same in all countries and consist of the following:
GeNerALz-these are the folks who are determined to "win the war" even though we really don't win anything other then a do over. That's all good though as that's why they play. Their favorite sentence on country channel is "I killed the fighter hangers!"
Furballers-These are the guys looking to brawl with other planes. They don't tend to fly very high because they figure they'll be turning and burning on the deck soon anyway. They could care less about winning the war, but will be found around big fights at different bases which indirectly can help the GeNerALz by keeping the air cover busy at a base they are trying to take. The most hated sentence on country channel for them is "I killed the fighter hangers!"
Pickers. These guys generally hide in, around and above furballers. These are the guys who hang up high and wait til someone else is engaged. They tend to come screaming in from on high and nail bad guys who aren't fighting them. I generally see these guys landing the biggest kill runs.
The Horde-This is a mix and match of player types who haven't found the confidence to go into a fight without a crowd around them and use the mob to increase their odds of not getting shot at. They still see dying as real and are in the process of figuring out which of the other types of players they want to be like. The GeNerALz can count on this bunch to react to their orders the quickest. Suicide buff pilots, LA7 and Spit 16 drivers etc can be found in this crowd for the most part.
Vulchers-This is a subgroup of the horde. These guys are desperate to get their name in lights with 25 kills next to their name when they land. The quickest and least dangerous way to do this is to shoot planes that haven't taken off yet. The quest for the "attaboy" is their greatest goal, although they'll try and cover this by saying they are just capping the base.
Spawn-campers-This is the ground vehicle version of the vulcher. Again the goal is to get 140 kills in their Tiger by shooting vehicles that just upped. No risk to em but that 'attaboy' sure feels good to them.
Milk runners-This bunch avoids the fight at all costs and can be found in buffs racking up the points by hitting undefended targets.
GV'ers-These guys are of the belief that if man was meant to fly he'd have wings. They prefer to blast away at each other in tanks. The more dedicated GV guys will drive for hours to help take a base. Again, to each his own. If that's whats fun for them, so be it.
I'm sure I've missed some, but every country has em. And to clarify this isn't a condemnation of any player type. You'll see folks slide from one group to another at times depending on the mood they're in.
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Good thread... I havn't been to any other country than Bish. But in the SEA i get to meet all walks of Rook and Knit life. They're all pretty much cool people, just like the one's in your home country.
However it seems to me that there is always an influx of Bish Newbies after the Military Channel plays that AH Commercial..."Heed your call to glory"
Do you rooks and knits just tell the newbs to get out and stay out??? :rofl
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Originally posted by bnasty
However it seems to me that there is always an influx of Bish Newbies after the Military Channel plays that AH Commercial..."Heed your call to glory"
Do you rooks and knits just tell the newbs to get out and stay out??? :rofl
That XXX XXX Military Channel comercial! :mad:
I can assure you, every country gets it's share...
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Milk runners-This bunch avoids the fight at all costs and can be found in buffs racking up the points by hitting undefended targets.
While this is the traditional and accepted definition of milk-runner I've found other examples recently;
Players milking EW and MW for field captures.
Players in attack planes milking strat targets for damage points.
Players in attack planes milking VB's for vehicle kills.
None of these additional forms of milking pose any significant threat to the milker, and therefore must be added to the traditional definition.
There may be others.
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Yarbles, i disagree with what squads work together ( (+) and 68th do have big #'s, but thats not it, you know). C-Hawks can have up to almost 25 people sometimes on squad nights. Also, AArch Angelz work together in mass #'s. And the only time (1pm-6pm) during the day that we catch bases is on a big (+) mission (sometimes i'll put a pretty big mission and get 10 people), but (+) is big mission maker on knights. 68th Lighting Lancers also a squad with large #'s that will put up a good fight. Also, 71st RAF will put big #'s together on some nights and do things. Dragons Of Steel is also large knight squad w/ the youngest player in top 10 that i know of:"Dextur".VMF-441 Blackjacks also has some very experinced pilots. All of these squads work together usualy AT NIGHT. All around, we are a very varied group. I agree that knights never work together during the day, but they put up a fight at night. That is all i have to say about knights.
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Thats when I love some big missions. The biggest thing I see as a deterance/deteriorating factor, is a mission that really goes over the initial base capture time. I say 15 mins. Mostly from the standpoint of the knights getting hammered from the other side. There is one day that comes to mind though. About 2 months ago
I have to bring it up, so I will. It was the round pizza map, with the vehicle spawn into an airfield on the CEnter/North East side. We had the VH. I asked on squad channel who was up for a mission.
9 Hours later we finally took the damn place. It was a SAT and the battle went from like 1 EST to 9 EST. The longest drawn out, bloody scrap Ive ever done.
Logged off about 9:30 to go out for a few, came back at 11, and seen we lost the base and the VBase beside it. Flew over to a field that had a CV off the coast. There were like 30 knights vulching, flew over the town, which was untouched, so I just had to ask on "Range" Are we even trying to take this base? There was a chuckle or two, but mostly just score padders.
I do must say that the squads on the Knights tend to work together, this does happen, but you also must remeber time of year. Its summer time baby. So Im not putting alot of emphasis on right now. Hell I put enough pressure on my own folks, They think im nutz anyway. WHich is true, But the bottom line is, I love misisons, and relaly dig em when they work, it just pains me on the follow through, which maybe in time well be there. Right now, is not the time.
Weekends though I must say are a blast and a half.
And Salute all Countries, and Squads. We all know what we need to do, its just whos going to do it is the question.:aok
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Dragons Of Steel is also large knight squad w/ the youngest player in top 10 that i know of:"Dextur".
That and a nickle won't get you a cup of coffee ... at a very young age, he has learned to game the game with the best of them. His rank does not reflect his skills.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Dragons Of Steel is also large knight squad w/ the youngest player in top 10 that i know of:"Dextur".
That and a nickle won't get you a cup of coffee ... at a very young age, he has learned to game the game with the best of them. His rank does not reflect his skills.
Blah blah blah blah, I'd say the same if my score was in the 400s. Unlike you sir, I dont put down score HOs errrr pilots. Instead, i try to better my self and hopefuly some day my score will be in the 100s. Who knows, maybe top 10? But it is not going to happen with an attitude like yours
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Dragons Of Steel is also large knight squad w/ the youngest player in top 10 that i know of:"Dextur".
also the youngest kid to kill his own brother:confused: .........
in AH
:noid
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Originally posted by dedalos
Blah blah blah blah, I'd say the same if my score was in the 400s. Unlike you sir, I dont put down score HOs errrr pilots. Instead, i try to better my self and hopefuly some day my score will be in the 100s.
Seriously? Do you think rank is a good indicator of skills?
I play for whatever country has the fewest numbers... nits a lot lately.
I frequently find myself battling the rook horde the last couple of weeks. It's a tough fight because on top having to fight a swarm of bad guys, there's always at least a handful of them in orbit. Since I'm too lazy to go above 8k or so I find myself defensive most often but it's still fun and that's why I play.
Months from now it will probably be another team loaded with hordelings but for now it's da Rooks.
I must admit that killing hordelings is quite fun. When I'm in an osti, with the horde circling overhead waiting to vulch the next noob that ups, I joyously macro "Die hordeling!" with each kill I get. It may be juvenile, but then so am I.
Steve
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Seriously? Do you think rank is a good indicator of skills?
LOL ... no Steve ... he is just bustin' my chops ... and trolling ... wiggle hard and you'll fall off that hook.
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Originally posted by Laurie
also the youngest kid to kill his own brother:confused: .........
in AH
:noid
Yup ... the 2 of them are a piece of work ... young impressionable minds led astray.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Seriously? Do you think rank is a good indicator of skills?
Steve spit out that hook.
:D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
First months in AH1 i was a rook but then went knit to join a squad and been there ever since. Now im in another knit squad but if i wasnt i could just as well be a rook. Bish is out of the question tho.... too many oWHINERSo :)
oLMAOo :rofl
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Originally posted by SlapShot
LOL ... no Steve ... he is just bustin' my chops ... and trolling ... wiggle hard and you'll fall off that hook.
Nah, sorry... looks like I swallowed it. Someone cut me loose please.
Edit: I thought there was a noob Ded around.... ahhh the barbs... ahhh gut hooked!
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every chess player nows that rooks obviously are better than knights or bishops.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Seriously? Do you think rank is a good indicator of skills?
I frequently find myself battling the rook horde the last couple of weeks.
Months from now it will probably be another team loaded with hordelings but for now it's da Rooks.
Steve
Unforunatly the small maps increase the frequency of hoards. Whether in large furballs or trying to run bases... 'hoarding' seems to be predominant in the late war arenas (from all 3 sides). Unfortunatly on many of the maps with lots of islands this leads to a stalemate as each 'hoard' moves quickly to furball against the other hoard and most targets (bases) are then safely out of reach.
Sure would be nice to bring back some of the large maps so that we could spread it out a little...leading to smaller engagements where u could fight for a while without geting jumped by 20 other hoardlings...lol
In the meantime a well co-ordinated attack can still capture a base in short order if the timing is right. (it is kind of nice being called a hoard when capturing bases with 5-10 guys lol )
course gotta do it quickly before the 'LTAR' alert goes out...lol (nits and rooks seem to have this reasonably well coordinated...if LTAR attacking: up a hoard lickity split lol)
LTARcnuk
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Originally posted by Yarbles
snips....I have to say I have only been a knight and only been in one squadron (precision) but within Knights precision and 68 seem to be the only squadrons who actually fight as a squadron and when they do I think it is great fun to act as part of a team and work together. An endless round of duels and free for alls to me is diverting but a bit limited in the brain depertment.
I understand for some that the bases and the war etc are irrelevant in there minds but I think without them the game would dissapear in a very short time.
You sir...with all due respect....haven't a clue.
There are SEVERAL squads on the Knights that do very good work. As was listed above.
I been flying Knights for almost my entire time in AH. I flew Rooks about 6 months off and on but in the 5 years I been in AH Knights have been just about it. I have never flown Bish.
The Knights have some very well put together land grabbin squads. SO does the other 2 countries.
The Knights have some pure fighter squads. (Like the one I'm in) who could care less about grabbin land and getting perks for thier efforts at reset time. (Me for one). I make more perks flying a few sorties than I make in a reset. And , I personally enjoy a fight WAY more than Deacking...porking troops...porking ords....killing innocent buildings...and all that stuff. BUT....The squad I am in when we decide we want to capture a base WILL get it done with no help from any other squads.
Rooks have the best pure fighter jocks of the countries. Loose squads that just fight for the fight as well. THey work well, together and I die to them OFTEN. They also can steam rool a country in short oreder when they put thier minds to it and the right bunch gets hooked up and rollin.
Bish.....I have no clue what to say about the Bish other that oWHINERo and company are there and I like tickin em off.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Excuse me but who are you to say what it is "supposed to be" you are allowed to say what it is for you and no more. If people want to play to win who are you to say thats not what its about.
:mad: :furious :p :cool: ;) :) :t
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!:lol :rofl
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all the teams are basicly the same, there too varied to say that one is this and one is that,
they all have great "sticks",
and they all have "whinners"
they all have "horders"
"furballers" {this is where i fit in}
"milk runners"
"noobs"
"squeakers"
"HOers"
"alt monkeys"
"vulchers"
"pickers"
"GVers"
and some people, you just want to knock the ***** out of :
cough cough cough storch cough cough cough
:D
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Originally posted by RedTop
You sir...with all due respect....haven't a clue.
There are SEVERAL squads on the Knights that do very good work. As was listed above.
(Me for one). I make more perks flying a few sorties than I make in a reset. And , I personally enjoy a fight WAY more than Deacking...porking troops...porking ords....killing innocent buildings...and all that stuff. BUT....The squad I am in when we decide we want to capture a base WILL get it done with no help from any other squads.
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And you sir, No disrespect, Is Exactly Why Were In This Discussion;
When The Knights Fight As A Team: WE WIN.
Its the minor Incoviences, like teamwork, hence why I started a squad. I play with fellow members who prefer the base/win aspect. What I would like to do is bring the specialization of other squads to our need. Ofcourse FSO/Close Escorts is a great mission Orientated thing too.
The Bottom Line again is YOU, pay/play how you would like or feel at the moment, and its summer. So realistically. If you see a mission orientated squad post a mission you may not like the plane set, the base is alwas posted in the mission rooster.
For the most part, Precision will alwas run missions. We enjoy em. We would like to see more co-operation, and there has been, but the bottom line is, THIS IS A GAME, THAT YOU PAY FOR. Get your money's worth.
Floats out
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I believe we are witnessing the general consensus of the AH community that the knights suffer from a lack of co-ordination / co-operation^^^^
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Originally posted by LYNX
I believe we are witnessing the general consensus of the AH community that the knights suffer from a lack of co-ordination / co-operation^^^^
That very well could be. My post was simply to point out that there ARE squads on Knights that can do things.
I may have stpped on some toes , but , to state that because others may just like the yank and bank...the fights...the squad sorties in fighters to establish a cap per se' being lackig in the Brain Department is a bit misguided.
It's quite possible that the guys that enjoy fighting for the fights and ACM have been there and done that in the land grabbing department. I've done my share of it I know.
Every country has its lil differances , but generally they are all pretty close to being the same.
Blanket statements and pretty much not giving credit to SEVERAL squads on the Knight Land Grabbing Company is what I was basically calling out.
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Originally posted by RedTop
You sir...with all due respect....haven't a clue.
There are SEVERAL squads on the Knights that do very good work. As was listed above.
I been flying Knights for almost my entire time in AH. I flew Rooks about 6 months off and on but in the 5 years I been in AH Knights have been just about it. I have never flown Bish.
The Knights have some very well put together land grabbin squads. SO does the other 2 countries.
The Knights have some pure fighter squads. (Like the one I'm in) who could care less about grabbin land and getting perks for thier efforts at reset time. (Me for one). I make more perks flying a few sorties than I make in a reset. And , I personally enjoy a fight WAY more than Deacking...porking troops...porking ords....killing innocent buildings...and all that stuff. BUT....The squad I am in when we decide we want to capture a base WILL get it done with no help from any other squads.
Rooks have the best pure fighter jocks of the countries. Loose squads that just fight for the fight as well. THey work well, together and I die to them OFTEN. They also can steam rool a country in short oreder when they put thier minds to it and the right bunch gets hooked up and rollin.
Bish.....I have no clue what to say about the Bish other that oWHINERo and company are there and I like tickin em off.
Why do you guys always assume, land grabbing is about perks? Just like it might be fun to shoot down fighters in a furball, it can also be fun to defend a base, or capture a base.
I had over 20 base captures myself last tour, every single one of them was in the LW arenas. I could care less about perks for the most part. When I'm flying a fighter it's normally a A6m,a ki84 or a ki61.. I can typically get 5 to 10 perks pretty easy in a single sortie.
Honestly I get a hell of a lot "less" perks doing base captures and my score goes to hell as well from base captures. However I like running missions and joining other good missions to capture bases. I think it can be fun to try to do a suprise attack or over-power the other team by suprise.
If I wanted perks I would just go furball all the time. Instead I have fun playing lots of aspects of the game. No matter it be GV'ing.. Furballing , Land grabbing or the occasional bomber runs.
I just don't see why you guys always think resets are about perks. A reset to me is normally about winning (yea I like to win.. sorry) or just what it's called "resetting" a map I'm tired of playing (in hopes to get a new one).
Personally about the only aspect of the game I don't do very often is all out furballing. Simple reason is because I don't enjoy having to fight 20 other guys for a few kills and end up with 5 assists for my effort.. I'd rather fight against 4 or 5 enemy fighters than be one of 5 fighters chasing the same con hoping to be the lucky one to score the kill..
If I'm in the mood to do a little AC I typically look for the other team's horde and fly the out skirts of it looking for a little one on one action. Honestly if it wasn't for the hoards this game would be a hell of a lot more fun in regards to actually doing aerial combat. (I don't really think of furballs as real AC)
Sorry for the rant.. but I get irritated when people just assume that people like me whom like to win a war, capture a base or defend one just do it to get a crappy 25 perks. It would be like me saying furballers only furball because they want people to give them hi fives for landing 10 kills.
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Lately I have been taking bombers up to 20,000 to 30,000 feet (I am a Rook) and for me it's about bombing (I liked the old style calibration- versus what we have now) and if I do encounter a fighter up that high, it tends to be a good one and then things get interesting and because "I" am having fun up there, I will be doing it more often. (Radars and Troops beware)
I am using high altitude against those who spend most of their time at low altitude, if you don't spend alot of time up there you don't realise how much difference there is in the flight envelope of the planes. They are also sitting ducks if the climb directly on my six :)
So, if you can utilize an advantage available to everyone, but others choose not to use it, then why is it wrong?
Rooks are looking for air to air for the most part, but will get together in a loose gaggle for a base capture and I like working with the skilled GV units when I am in a ground attack mode.
Bishops seem to level everything as far back as they can reach and capture using overwhelming numbers and there seem's to be a fair number of HO mongers amongst them.
Knights haven't really been doing much against them, so don't have an informed opinion.
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Yarbles I started out flying for the Bish, switched to Rooks, and have been here ever since. There are a lot of folks that have been around the game longer than me, are more experienced than me, better pilots than I and some (if not all of them here) have given some very insightful thoughts into what it means to be a Bishop, Rook or Knight. I
them!
This being said, and absolutely no disrespect meant to any of my esteemed colleagues, I think they may have missed the most important answer to your question. It's not country, it's the SQUAD! My squad flies for the Rooks right now, and we tend to stay put. We have not, as a squad, started "country switching", but that wouldn't bother me near as much as not flying with the guys.
Now I know you have to be in a country before being accepted into a squad, but I would advise anyone that once they were in a squad, show your loyalty to THEM first, and the "chess piece" second. If that means staying with the squad while it "switches" to another country, then so be it. As long as your happy where your at, that's what counts!
:aok
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Sticks head inside door
Looks around....................... ....................
What'd I miss ??
:p
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Yarbles,
Flying with people you like and who like you is a must.
Meet the pilots from all countries.
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Been here 3 months.
Started out Knights in EW. Switched to Bishops to see the difference mostly in Orange and Purple MA. The other day, switched to Rooks.
I joined a Bishop squad that no matter where I went, their squad name ID went with me. (Nice squad decal on the cowl!) I read the boards a lot, some Knight group offered advice to a noobie for training and foolishly dropped their vox channel publically. I was currently Bishop in a tank area and switched to their channel for intel. 2 hours later they noticed me and my squad affiliation and went to their secondary com channel.
I like to be independent. Like has been stated, I tend to like the underdog, but I also like activity. So if one side is dead, I go to another side. It does seem to me the Rooks are much better organized, though, as team spirit.
I'm a loner by nature. I'm not much fond of the social groupy thing. I find no matter what country I'm fighting for, the other guys bond together as a team to help each other out.
No disrespect by me about stuff I've learned here from other guys, any country. The highest respect a guy could give me is a good run for anything I may show somebody in a combat sortie. I really get super PO'd sometimes getting bettered by a good player, but it is just a !@#$%^&* game. And score doesn't matter or so they say---is BS!
If it's red, shoot it. Whether he used to be a buddy doesn't matter to me and no hard feelings if you shoot me down, either.
I want to get good and have fun and NOT stagnate!
Each arena should have separate squad affiliation availability so a person can have variety. Otherwise, I'll be a free agent to the highest bidder...
This tour I started out serious to get a good looking score. But like tanking spawn vultures, I get so PO'd at guys I keep coming back to get immediately killed again just maybe I can get a round off and kill him, so I keep trying; really screws up my score!! Score matters. Heck, baseball batting averages are less specific as here how HTC rates the score stats.
And maybe HTC thinks it is all about aerial combat; but the guys say it is all about taking bases.
As to furballs, my side drops the fighters' hangers to the opposing force I take as my sole mission to find the guy on my side and shoot him down; if it is all about aerial combat. Fighter hangers are life blood to a furball.
All I want is to get to be very good and find just one buddy that can back me up and me back him up! Country doesn't matter via AH. Country loyalty matters where you live. Country loyalty matters if you took the oath.
If people like to dogfight and it is about aerial combat, why the MA. Some pretty good stuff goes on in TA. Is it you can't see the bad guy go poof or catch fire why MA is better? Or is it about score?
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I think each one of them has their own good, bad & ugly (mostly good though).
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Some pretty good reads:
The squad im in ( VF-31) did country tour a while back spending a month as Knights and a month as Rooks.
Each country has their differences in style of play, skills of players and overall coordination.
But all in all it really doesnt matter for what side you fly, its how you want to fly that important.
However if your into base taking you have more opportunity do do this flying as Bish or Rook.
All sides will furball :aok
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i believe that we who injoy this game, no matter what we do in it, are part of a family, sect, i dont know: call it what you want
but if you fly old prop planes planes, your okay by me.
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Originally posted by Leayme
Lately I have been taking bombers up to [...] 30,000 feet (I am a Rook)
Now THERE'S a shocker!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
As a Bish here's my perspective:
Rooks: Grab the O2 mask to fight these guys. Just when you thought 20K was safe you'll meet them at 22-23K. If their not in the stratosphere they are mired in the muck furballing mindlessly away. Rooks have more skilled pilots than Knights or Bish and are occasionally able to organize and steamroll fields as Bish and Knights pound away on each other, oblivious to the Rooks.
Which is why you pick and vultch in a Tempest? Get off of your Shetland Pony.
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Originally posted by Larry
Rooks= Alt monkeys
(http://th78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/flygirl_1313/th_188.jpg)
yup, saw one just the other day:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Jappa52
(http://th78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/flygirl_1313/th_188.jpg)
yup, saw one just the other day:rofl :rofl :rofl
LMFAO:rofl :cry :rofl :cry :rofl
Whats wrong with Alt though does it just make the game too boring
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Nothing wrong with ALT, some people just not patient enough to climb up there.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Can anyone explain why they are a Knight rook or bish and what characterises each of the three?
i don't know how knits and rooks are, but bish are a genetic material cocktail of spartan warriors and black caribbean XXXL dildo model
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Originally posted by ghi
i don't know how knits and rooks are, but bish are a genetic material cocktail of spartan warriors and black caribbean XXXL dildo model
Well, that explains the bow-legged sheep we found at A29 last night...:lol
Zazen
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Ghi that is the funniest post i've read in awhile...
~S~
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Ghi is teh funny!
:rofl
hey Bruv, wheres Kazaa these days, been too long since he shot me down.
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kazaa has been busy but he posted in our squad forum today saying he is going to knock some rust off and go killing this month.
I'm sure you 2 will run into each other at some point ;)
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
As a Bish here's my perspective:
Bish: Bish have the fewest skilled pilots but compensate with communication and numbers. Bish communicate/coordinate well in both base capture mode and in a furball.
As far as communication; I think not. Unless it's me or a squaddie saying "Shop or whom ever, watch Pony diving in" I usually hear nobody say a thing in furballs. I know it's tough to look out the window when trying to steal a kill. :mad: I think this needs to be worked on in Bishland more than anything. And maybe our K/D as a team :)
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Originally posted by AAolds
Nothing wrong with ALT, some people just not patient enough to climb up there.
I think the only time there is anything wrong with alt, is when the other guy is higher.
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There definately are too many people on each country to put it down to one 'stereotype' but from what I've noticed:
Bishops: Are generally far more 'friendly' guys in that there is a lot more range banter (sometimes very frustrating, but usually a good thing) and far more Country channel nonsense (in a good way).
Bish seem to be great a packing together and organising big hits on bases and also seem to be willing to up and up and up and up again to kill troops or whatever.
I definately agree with the generally lower skill level, which is perhaps why they work so well together on the real-estate side of things... because they're not busy looking for good 1v1s (Of course this is not the case for all)
In summary, the Bish are great fun to fly with and good for the land-grabbing style of play (this is not a bad thing, just a different game aspect)
Rooks: Not as talkative on range or country channel but do communicate far more effectively in multiple-con situations... far better check-six calls and much more willingness (and competence) to help finish a rope or clear your six etc. (not to say that there aren't bish that do this, just not as many)
Perhaps as a result of this ^ the Rooks are, on the whole, far more accomplished fighter pilots (again, there are of course many great sticks on both other sides, i'm not trying to suggest otherwise)
I think that there are more tight-nit squads flying for the rooks, so I suspect that much of the banter on range that is found on the Bish side is done on closed Squad channels.
Rooks definately seem more interested in finding a good fight rather than taking a base (as I am, fighter combat is more entertaining for me), which is, again, just a different style of play.
As has been said before, those who fly a certain way will join with others who do the same (mostly, at least). So those who recieve no interest from Rooks in taking bases will see bases being porked and steamrolled by the Bish and think "chit, I want to be in that" and will head over that way.... because lets face it, everyone likes to win at least some times :p
Same with fighter pilots who tire of sloppy team-work... they see others doing it effectively and join them....
Knights: I've not flown with enough to make judgement, but they seem to be somewhere in the middle of the Bish and the Rooks. The jacks of all trades, so to speak.
This is how it seems to be during off-peak, Australian times.
The best thing anyone can do is take the time to switch teams for a good length of time, you make new friends, get away from the knobs on the previous country :lol:, meet new ones and learn new things.
It's always good fighting against those you used to fly with, too.
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The Bish is the Borg. They do great when their Fuhrers are online to dictate the brainles mob into doing their bidding, but when the great dictators aren't on-line they are clueless to the max.
The Knits are a timid, shy, sandbag of a country which spends most of its time getting beaten up to a pulp.
The Rooks, are like someone suffering from a premature ejaculation while having sex. They are invincible when the steam is on... for about 5 minutes.. and then after dumping their load they fizzle down into a slob.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
The Bish is the Borg. They do great when their Fuhrers are online to dictate the brainles mob into doing their bidding, but when the great dictators aren't on-line they are clueless to the max.
The Knits are a timid, shy, sandbag of a country which spends most of its time getting beaten up to a pulp.
The Rooks, are like someone suffering from a premature ejaculation while having sex. They are invincible when the steam is on... for about 5 minutes.. and then after dumping their load they fizzle down into a slob.
:rofl
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Originally posted by DamnedRen
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!:lol :rofl
:lol :lol :lol :rofl
I win cos I had the last laugh:p
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Originally posted by RedTop
That very well could be. My post was simply to point out that there ARE squads on Knights that can do things.
I may have stpped on some toes , but , to state that because others may just like the yank and bank...the fights...the squad sorties in fighters to establish a cap per se' being lackig in the Brain Department is a bit misguided.
It's quite possible that the guys that enjoy fighting for the fights and ACM have been there and done that in the land grabbing department. I've done my share of it I know.
Every country has its lil differances , but generally they are all pretty close to being the same.
Blanket statements and pretty much not giving credit to SEVERAL squads on the Knight Land Grabbing Company is what I was basically calling out.
And at least you stopped furballing and trying to build your score long enough to post:D
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Might be me. But since this thread came about, A fire has been lit under the arse of the knights.
Please continue.:cool:
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Originally posted by 4deck
Might be me. But since this thread came about, A fire has been lit under the arse of the knights.
Please continue.:cool:
lol yes but dont tell them that we/they are far to individual to be manipulated
;) :noid
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Originally posted by Yarbles
And at least you stopped furballing and trying to build your score long enough to post:D
You clearly have never even spoken to RedTop, so I'll politely inform you that the man doesn't give a rat's arse about points, score, and so forth. Thank you, come again :cool:
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OK, this is my take on the side issue. A year or so ago, LTAR were Knights. They were Knights since I had started. At that time, Bishops were the underdogs. They were always low on numbers.
As a squad, we decided to do a rotation for one month to each side, Bishops first, then Rooks, then back to Knights. This rotation was due in part to two things. One, the Knights had become very disorganized. You couldn't get a player to come to your aid even if he were flying right over you. One for all and all for himself. Secondly, to help boost the Bishops numbers a tad.
The first night we went to the Bishops, we were welcomed. People would come and assist if called, and we went and helped when they called. In the first few days, we were made to feel welcome and made to feel at home. At the end of the rotation, they made it clear that they were sorry we were going, but understood why.
The first night we went to Rooks, it was a totally different situation. We were not welcome. There was one squad, HAs (<>), that made the attempt to welcome us as Rooks. MOST of the rest didn't want to have anything to do with us to the point of name calling on country channel. It didn't take us more than a week to decide that we didn't want to finish the tour and as a squad, we decided to change back to the Bishops where we had friends.
As for the difference in the three sides and loyalty to a chess piece? We have loyalty to our friends. No matter who they play for. We left some really good people on the Knights, but as a squad, we felt more at home and felt we could do the most good for the Bishops. The Rooks have some really good people too. A lot of them just seem to be closed minded when it comes to accepting players from other sides.
Bishops, Knights and Rooks all have good and bad sticks. Good and bad players. Noobs and squeekers. The difference lies in how each side deals with them.
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by Krusty
You clearly have never even spoken to RedTop, so I'll politely inform you that the man doesn't give a rat's arse about points, score, and so forth. Thank you, come again :cool:
:o :o :o :o
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Originally posted by Krusty
You clearly have never even spoken to RedTop, so I'll politely inform you that the man doesn't give a rat's arse about points, score, and so forth. Thank you, come again :cool:
RadTop???? who is that newbe? I never heard of him. He any good?
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I agree totally with Filth's assessment. When I have bounced around to other sides, I have had the opportunity to fly along with him and he readily accepted my company and for that made me feel welcome. There are those times also when we went at each other and good fights they were, I lost more often than not but had fun and he was never one to taunt about it. We're all a big community here, sometimes the neighbors in our community can get on our nerves but more often than not, when the hand of friendship is extended it is generally taken.
To me, sides mirror each other more than not.
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Well Said
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If it "takes a thread like this to light a fire to fight", well that is sad.
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Y'all need to fly A ghi mission for the bish, it is very funny!! and almost allways take the base
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Originally posted by Yarbles
And at least you stopped furballing and trying to build your score long enough to post:D
Score? They have that?
I was at work to when I posted.
You want to win the war...have at it.
Me...not speaking for my whole squad but just me alone....
I dont give 2 cents for the war. I like the fight. Alt and Picking to yank and bank furballing. You do what you do...but don't think there arent very capable squads that can do it all on the knights besides just yours.
Have a good day:D
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Originally posted by dedalos
RadTop???? who is that newbe? I never heard of him. He any good?
He's terrible.
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Originally posted by culero
Knights = Az (so, they suck)
Bish = Bz (so, they suck and swallow)
Rooks = Cz (they rool your sheep!)
You got it wrong, brother!:D
Bish=Az
Rooks=Bz
Knights=Cz
The "C' in C-Hawks = Cz from the AW Days
:aok
Have you seen Blue7?
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Knights are generally stupid. They never cooperate, and only fly solo. Their disadvantage: They never win a map because they cannot work together. Their advantage: Low ENY
Rooks are the workers. They help each other out and are generally well organized. Disadvantage: High ENY. Advantage: Win most of the time, always helping each other.
Bishops are the gangers and HOers. Disadvantage: Bad reputation. Advtantage: They rule most of the furballs.
(Im a knight by the way, always have been, but I frequently visit the other countries to say 'hi' to friends.)
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Originally posted by Serenity
Knights are generally stupid. They never cooperate, and only fly solo. Their disadvantage: They never win a map because they cannot work together. Their advantage: Low ENY
Wow, I'm lucky then. I flew knights tonight and had the grandest time. I received help from several people: dmdgoose, Bustr, Qatr, Silat, Corky, just to name a few off the top of my head. OTOH I didn't see any cooperation among bish last time I flew with them. There may be plenty, but I missed it. I was damaged and rtb right near our base dragging. called out "dragging" several times as I flew under a dozen or so friendly bish. I asked for help... didn't even get a response, say nothing of the help, lol. I know the LTAR's play for bish and they are a great bunch of guys so there is at least some cooperation among bish but I missed it.
Rooks are great and most of my long time "friends" fly rooks but there are just too many of them.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Wow, I'm lucky then. I flew knights tonight and had the grandest time. I received help from several people: dmdgoose, Bustr, Qatr, Silat, Corky, just to name a few off the top of my head. OTOH I didn't see any cooperation among bish last time I flew with them. There may be plenty, but I missed it. I was damaged and rtb right near our base dragging. called out "dragging" several times as I flew under a dozen or so friendly bish. I asked for help... didn't even get a response, say nothing of the help, lol. I know the LTAR's play for bish and they are a great bunch of guys so there is at least some cooperation among bish but I missed it.
Rooks are great and most of my long time "friends" fly rooks but there are just too many of them.
Corky isnt regularly a Knight ;)
And in all the time ive been flying, really the only guy to get any REAL missions going was Kazaa. Mako has some great ones, but they're normally for fun, not to capture a base.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Corky isnt regularly a Knight ;)
And in all the time ive been flying, really the only guy to get any REAL missions going was Kazaa. Mako has some great ones, but they're normally for fun, not to capture a base.
I never said anything about missions.
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Do I get to reply more than once per thread?
I went to Rooks side 3 days ago. I see a lot of the "more" educated guru types there actually conducting intelligent conversation on text channel.
Rooks seem to be better organized at teamwork objectives, not in dedicated squad mode.
And Rooks use 4 carriers instead of just one in their water adventures.
I belong to a Bishop squad, but I was just feeling out the process.
I think I will fly with the Pawns, though. Following the crowd usually always got me in trouble. I am an independent consultant. Wish I knew something.
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Originally posted by Daubie
Do I get to reply more than once per thread?
I went to Rooks side 3 days ago. I see a lot of the "more" educated guru types there actually conducting intelligent conversation on text channel.
LOL
I left rooks about 1 1/2 years ago, because I couldn't stand the constand disputes about American politics on countrychannel anymore.
Now doing my Goodwill Tour Summer 2007. What was the first thing I had to do on my first day on the rook side? Squelching half of the countrymen, because countrychannel was spammed again with topics like Hillary, Bush= Hitler, Hussein = Hitler, the right to bear arms and so on... :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If it "takes a thread like this to light a fire to fight", well that is sad.
I am sure you are making a very profound point here but for the less intuitive could you possibly expand on this:)
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Originally posted by Lusche
LOL
I left rooks about 1 1/2 years ago, because I couldn't stand the constand disputes about American politics on countrychannel anymore.
Now doing my Goodwill Tour Summer 2007. What was the first thing I had to do on my first day on the rook side? Squelching half of the countrymen, because countrychannel was spammed again with topics like Hillary, Bush= Hitler, Hussein = Hitler, the right to bear arms and so on... :rolleyes:
Only time I ever see politics on Rook country channel is when Skyrider starts trolling. :rofl
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having read thru the posts i cant comment on how bish are since i have never fought them =)
i will say this about the rooks though: i dont believe their skill level is higher than knights...i find them all very killable if you can get a fair fight...but the rooks use the advantage of numbers and picking to get better k/d...
2 rooks fiter squads in particular seem to setup camp with alt/e..they claim to love to furball but 262's/tempests seem to be as much planes of choice..they use wingman skills and numbers but lets lots of nonsquad rooks die easily while they pick guys on them...there is nothing wrong with this but this is what you can do when you fly with numbers consistently...this is how you drive up a k/d
also 4 nights ago i upped to defend a base where there was good furballing going on...rooks had 2x number of pilots..again it was one of these squads...i called about 6 bops to up and help..thought it could be a good furball...kill some pickers etc...it was the only fight between rooks/bish going on...10 minutes later all the pilots for that squad had left that area...i had killed 3-4 of them....i waited ror them to come back but they went elsewhere...(no trahs talking) so any organized resistance which prevented their flying technique seems to have not been "fun" for them...
so overall i agree with the fact that no country is really better then another...but i do think that score squads/pilots have chosen rooks because you can do more when you have numbers to jack up your score...
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Originally posted by Daubie
Been here 3 months.
Started out Knights in EW. Switched to Bishops to see the difference mostly in Orange and Purple MA. The other day, switched to Rooks.
I joined a Bishop squad that no matter where I went, their squad name ID went with me. (Nice squad decal on the cowl!) I read the boards a lot, some Knight group offered advice to a noobie for training and foolishly dropped their vox channel publically. I was currently Bishop in a tank area and switched to their channel for intel. 2 hours later they noticed me and my squad affiliation and went to their secondary com channel.
I like to be independent. Like has been stated, I tend to like the underdog, but I also like activity. So if one side is dead, I go to another side. It does seem to me the Rooks are much better organized, though, as team spirit.
I'm a loner by nature. I'm not much fond of the social groupy thing. I find no matter what country I'm fighting for, the other guys bond together as a team to help each other out.
No disrespect by me about stuff I've learned here from other guys, any country. The highest respect a guy could give me is a good run for anything I may show somebody in a combat sortie. I really get super PO'd sometimes getting bettered by a good player, but it is just a !@#$%^&* game. And score doesn't matter or so they say---is BS!
If it's red, shoot it. Whether he used to be a buddy doesn't matter to me and no hard feelings if you shoot me down, either.
I want to get good and have fun and NOT stagnate!
Each arena should have separate squad affiliation availability so a person can have variety. Otherwise, I'll be a free agent to the highest bidder...
This tour I started out serious to get a good looking score. But like tanking spawn vultures, I get so PO'd at guys I keep coming back to get immediately killed again just maybe I can get a round off and kill him, so I keep trying; really screws up my score!! Score matters. Heck, baseball batting averages are less specific as here how HTC rates the score stats.
And maybe HTC thinks it is all about aerial combat; but the guys say it is all about taking bases.
As to furballs, my side drops the fighters' hangers to the opposing force I take as my sole mission to find the guy on my side and shoot him down; if it is all about aerial combat. Fighter hangers are life blood to a furball.
All I want is to get to be very good and find just one buddy that can back me up and me back him up! Country doesn't matter via AH. Country loyalty matters where you live. Country loyalty matters if you took the oath.
If people like to dogfight and it is about aerial combat, why the MA. Some pretty good stuff goes on in TA. Is it you can't see the bad guy go poof or catch fire why MA is better? Or is it about score?
Didn't think you could tune to a vox channel from a differnt country......
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You can't, I've ended up on other's squad freqs. several times when switching countries.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Here comes some hard data:
Tour 88 (the last month):
All models have 245047 Kills of Knights.
All models have 227246 Deaths by Knights
Knight K/D 0.93
All models have 259590 Kills of Bishops
All models have 229410 Deaths by Bishops
Bishop K/D 0.88
All models have 224253 Kills of Rooks
All models have 272234 Deaths by Rooks
Rook K/D 1.21
The interpretation is up to you ;)
2 Camps on this as in:
1) Those who say intuitively we are all the same.
2) Those whose anecdotal experience and loyalties lead to certain conclusions.
The data however with such a large sample size points to the Rooks being the most skilled and the Bishops the least. Since the Knights achive least according to popular perception but are not the least skilled they may be the worst organised ;)
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Ok, now I know it. The Bishs are cursed!
I just switched to Bish, and was shot down three times in a row without getting a single kill. Didn't happen to me since my earliest noob days. I was a Bish then too... :noid
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Don't forget the other and most likely explanation. Both Knights and Rooks like to gang the Bishops. Case in point, 11 Rooks flew to a V-Base last night and shot down one plane, then left. :rofl (FYI, this is no exaggeration)
Which isn't surprising, but tends to really jerk the stats around. Let see, Rooks one kill, Bishops one death. Got it. Bish are poor pilots. :huh
Most nights, we look at the fronts and see solid red dar bars between Bishops and Rooks, and Knights and Rooks. And usually, not always, but usually, very little activity between Rooks and Knights.
Not sure if this is possible, but do they have stats for Rook/Bish, Rook/Knight, Knight/Rook, Knight/Bish, and finally Bish/Rook, Bish/Knight stats?
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Don't forget the other and most likely explanation. Both Knights and Rooks like to gang the Bishops.
LTARsqrl <>
:cry :cry :cry
:rofl :aok
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Don't forget the other and most likely explanation. Both Knights and Rooks like to gang the Bishops. Case in point, 11 Rooks flew to a V-Base last night and shot down one plane, then left. :rofl (FYI, this is no exaggeration)
Which isn't surprising, but tends to really jerk the stats around. Let see, Rooks one kill, Bishops one death. Got it. Bish are poor pilots. :huh
Most nights, we look at the fronts and see solid red dar bars between Bishops and Rooks, and Knights and Rooks. And usually, not always, but usually, very little activity between Rooks and Knights.
Not sure if this is possible, but do they have stats for Rook/Bish, Rook/Knight, Knight/Rook, Knight/Bish, and finally Bish/Rook, Bish/Knight stats?
LTARsqrl <>
Funny I could swear it's knights and Bish that like to gang on Rooks.. I guess you haven't been in LWOrange lately..
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Every country gangs the others just the same. I love the "my country is always getting ganged" paranoia.
:lol
:noid :noid :noid :noid
:noid
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tis a shame really, stang, i remember when the two (or three) opposing hordes would actually be fighting in the same sector as each other.
imagine that!
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Quote from Lee Emrey (sgt hartman from Full Metal Jacket) regarding the 3 countries:
"The lowest form of life, pukes, not even human F*cking beings. We are all equally worthless!"
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Originally posted by Stang
Every country gangs the others just the same. I love the "my country is always getting ganged" paranoia.
:lol
:noid :noid :noid :noid
:noid
Well I know it happens to the Nits as they always suffer from low numbers. I know it happens to the Rooks typically we have the numbers advantage. However I doesn't seem to happen very often to the Bish.
This Screen Shot could have been taken any day since the TT map has been up in Orange. Simply because everyday is the same. Rooks get ganged on by both Bish and Nits pretty much non stop.
(http://www.strafing.com/temp/rooks-screwed.jpg)
Nits and Bish fight, but seems to be a stale mate in the 9 and 10 area.. Soon as the Nits get 9 back the fighting seems to stop and it goes back to both teams attacking Rooks.
I haven't seen the knights push the fight to the Bish this entire round other than to get their bases back (9 and 10), after that they pretty much stop fighting Bish.
Last night I logged off because Rooks were getting ganged on both ends yet we were also getting hit with high ENY as well. Tonight I log in see the same BS and logged back out, not even worth the effort.
You can clearly see by the DAR that Rooks are out numbered at both fronts even though we have the total numbers advantage. Yet we still get penalized by ENY that will jump from 10 to 25 and anywhere in between.
Not saying this only happens to the Rooks, I know it happens to the other sides as well however at least when the Knights get ganged on they generally don't suffer from ENY as well. Bish get hit with ENY but never seems to be the same as what we deal with.
This is the reason I've suggested in the past that ENY should be baised off the numbers in sectors rather than just the total number on each team.
btw only reason the Bish have such low numbers, is because they are close to a reset in Blue.. So the Bish numbers were in blue at the time of this SS.
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Originally posted by crockett
Last night I logged off because Rooks were getting ganged on both ends yet we were also getting hit with high ENY as well. Tonight I log in see the same BS and logged back out, not even worth the effort.
Numpty, switch sides.
Steve
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Yesterday:
Gianlupo to Stampf after switching from Bish to Knights: "Sorry I shot you down earlier Stampf. Forgot I was a Bish. ;)"
Stampf to Gianlupo: "I was red to you, nice job. "
And thats all there is to it.
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Originally posted by crockett
Well I know it happens to the Nits as they always suffer from low numbers. I know it happens to the Rooks typically we have the numbers advantage. However I doesn't seem to happen very often to the Bish.
This Screen Shot could have been taken any day since the TT map has been up in Orange. Simply because everyday is the same. Rooks get ganged on by both Bish and Nits pretty much non stop.
(http://www.strafing.com/temp/rooks-screwed.jpg)
Nits and Bish fight, but seems to be a stale mate in the 9 and 10 area.. Soon as the Nits get 9 back the fighting seems to stop and it goes back to both teams attacking Rooks.
I haven't seen the knights push the fight to the Bish this entire round other than to get their bases back (9 and 10), after that they pretty much stop fighting Bish.
Last night I logged off because Rooks were getting ganged on both ends yet we were also getting hit with high ENY as well. Tonight I log in see the same BS and logged back out, not even worth the effort.
You can clearly see by the DAR that Rooks are out numbered at both fronts even though we have the total numbers advantage. Yet we still get penalized by ENY that will jump from 10 to 25 and anywhere in between.
Not saying this only happens to the Rooks, I know it happens to the other sides as well however at least when the Knights get ganged on they generally don't suffer from ENY as well. Bish get hit with ENY but never seems to be the same as what we deal with.
This is the reason I've suggested in the past that ENY should be baised off the numbers in sectors rather than just the total number on each team.
btw only reason the Bish have such low numbers, is because they are close to a reset in Blue.. So the Bish numbers were in blue at the time of this SS.
And yet, despite ENY restrictions and being "ganged", the rooks have 100% of their own bases, 9.5% of Bish bases and 19.0% of Knight bases.
So clearly it must be collaboration against the poor Rooks -- trying to regain their lost territory or attacking the biggest threat couldn't possibly have anything to do with it. :noid
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Originally posted by E25280
And yet, despite ENY restrictions and being "ganged", the rooks have 100% of their own bases, 9.5% of Bish bases and 19.0% of Knight bases.
So clearly it must be collaboration against the poor Rooks -- trying to regain their lost territory or attacking the biggest threat couldn't possibly have anything to do with it. :noid
Hey us Rooks can't help it if you Nits and Bish can't capture our bases.. You can clearly see we are out numbered at both fronts. I guess the truth is in the stats that were posted. :lol
I'm just *****ing cause I can't fly the 262.. :furious
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speaking in terms of my enemy, so excluding knights.
Rooks are far more timid and tactical. rooks do fly higher, fact. the influences of the cunning general shawk and his minions have shaped many rooks to be very efficient energy fighters and alot of rooks seem to be flying with the intention of landing thier plane intact. a furballer low and slow in rook land is not likely to find many of his kind on the deck, we're talking 10k minimum if you expect to survive. most Rooks will always feel happy about being number 6 in the que for a single con, often blowing all thier E just to help the already doomed enemy on his way. ack is the rooks best friend but they sure know how to put an assault down on an enemy field when they get organised to it. not to be underestimated. unless it a vulchfest you wont be racking up high scores on rooks without alot of effort.
Bishops are the extended family and soldiers of the evil mastermind ghi! pity the fool who gives ghi even a single shot on them. ghi has in noble spirit led many of the bish down the path of true light, the furball. Bish will always put out for a furball, flying in at reasonable alt and some even right on the deck straight into tree top merry-go-rounds. the knight or rook that comes in the club bishops at around 7-10k is a mean hearted soul indeed and could be in for a shock from the few bishops that do fly higher with the same finesse as so many rooks. these high alt bish are most likely found around 15-20k and very rarely do they come low enough to start a gangbang on a low encounter between a few furballers. bish seem to be much more inclined to fight out of the ack, but they often play defence around thier own sectors unless they really want your land.
I've flown with both and enjoyed the company of many good people of the time.
Knights do it all. you will find knights from 1k to 30k. this is why knights dont really capture bases. we are always busy fighting the rooks in the clouds and the bish over the trees. knights are not influenced by anythign and believe in the lone wolf, ask if they need help before engaging type of players. the squadrons work together but organisation on a national scale is minimal.
tell me there is no difference if you will, but this is how i see my opponents as i fly 99% of the time nits.
I also fly most of the time as a low alt furballer, if think this stat therefore helps to back up my evaluations.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/__.JPG)
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
OK, this is my take on the side issue. A year or so ago, LTAR were Knights. They were Knights since I had started. At that time, Bishops were the underdogs. They were always low on numbers.
As a squad, we decided to do a rotation for one month to each side, Bishops first, then Rooks, then back to Knights. This rotation was due in part to two things. One, the Knights had become very disorganized. You couldn't get a player to come to your aid even if he were flying right over you. One for all and all for himself. Secondly, to help boost the Bishops numbers a tad.
The first night we went to the Bishops, we were welcomed. People would come and assist if called, and we went and helped when they called. In the first few days, we were made to feel welcome and made to feel at home. At the end of the rotation, they made it clear that they were sorry we were going, but understood why.
The first night we went to Rooks, it was a totally different situation. We were not welcome. There was one squad, HAs (<>), that made the attempt to welcome us as Rooks. MOST of the rest didn't want to have anything to do with us to the point of name calling on country channel. It didn't take us more than a week to decide that we didn't want to finish the tour and as a squad, we decided to change back to the Bishops where we had friends.
As for the difference in the three sides and loyalty to a chess piece? We have loyalty to our friends. No matter who they play for. We left some really good people on the Knights, but as a squad, we felt more at home and felt we could do the most good for the Bishops. The Rooks have some really good people too. A lot of them just seem to be closed minded when it comes to accepting players from other sides.
Bishops, Knights and Rooks all have good and bad sticks. Good and bad players. Noobs and squeekers. The difference lies in how each side deals with them.
LTARsqrl <>
So, I see our secret Bishop plot to fool you into thinking we actually LIKED you to get you to stay Bish worked. It's your A2G skills we like, to kill rooknits. How could we ever come to like people like Moil, or Sqrl, Kilz, or ugh, dare I even say his name... Drgn!!! Muuuuhaaaaaaa! Our evil plan worked!!! LOL :aok
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Originally posted by Yarbles
2 Camps on this as in:
1) Those who say intuitively we are all the same.
2) Those whose anecdotal experience and loyalties lead to certain conclusions.
The data however with such a large sample size points to the Rooks being the most skilled and the Bishops the least. Since the Knights achive least according to popular perception but are not the least skilled they may be the worst organised ;)
Don't think the conclusions on any mass stats in AH can be truly valid, because there is no finite population for any side. Rooks fly bish and knit, some bish fly rook and knit, and ditto for the knits. In other words, the population (bish, rook, knit) for which you attribute the statistics is never homogenous.
There is no way to reach a valid conclusion if you don't know the finite make up of the population for which the statistics were gathered.
As just one example of why this is true, consider this. For all anyone knows (or can prove), the Bish may actuallybe better pilots overall. However, Rooks show on top maybe because more good Bish and Knit pilots fly Rook often enough to skew the scores in the Rooks favor. Maybe even further skewed by the fact that more bad Rook pilots fly Bish or Knit more often than good pilots, thus skewing the Bish and Knit scores downward. Finally, result - Rooks are uber. Pure trash as it is unprovable.
Statistically speaking, mass statistics here are a joke, even over time, showing what appears to be a trend, because too many factors are in play all the time that can skew the numbers. You're better off accepting anecdotal evidence from the community to reach any conlusion than to use these stats.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
As just one example of why this is true, consider this. For all anyone knows (or can prove), the Bish may actuallybe better pilots overall. However, Rooks show on top maybe because more good Bish and Knit pilots fly Rook often enough to skew the scores in the Rooks favor. .
Just to piss on your bonfire when a rook pilot flys bish then he/she is a Bish and when you encounter them guess what they are Bish so can you not see you are losing the plot. :rolleyes:
You are trying to make a point however true which in practice has very little meaning. I mean :confused: Rooksa re better pilots than Bish pilots cos their best pilots infact are more likely to fly with another side so this is not borne out in the scores:rolleyes:
What we are trying to do here is identify and explain a subjective experience not uncover the mysteries of the universe:noid
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Originally posted by Stampf
Yesterday:
Gianlupo to Stampf after switching from Bish to Knights: "Sorry I shot you down earlier Stampf. Forgot I was a Bish. ;)"
Stampf to Gianlupo: "I was red to you, nice job. "
And thats all there is to it.
<> :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
Knights are the noble warriors of AH2, playing always well organised & fair.
Bishops are the Defenders of the Faith of Pure Aerial Combat.
Rooks are the solid foundation of this game, the honorable helping hand when you need one.
;)
Wow that was deep.
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Sloehand, what you have said is true in small samples but a complete croc in terms of data as large as this. I fly for bish now, so I am not being biased. What Zazen's data indicates is unmistakable proof that both rooks and knights are (by the scoring standards determined by HTC) better fighter pilots. Unmistakable.
Mass statistics are not "a joke". There is an entire statistical significance formula that proves otherwise. If we had the raw numbers of the data provided (ie how many pilots were involved, how many kills were recorded), I am sure we could prove statistically to at least a 95% confidence level that the data accumulated is not random.
Furthermore, what you're saying is questionable even on sort of a philosophical standpoint. If all those "good" bish pilots are flying rook and knight and accumulating stats for them, are they even bish anymore? The same goes for rook and knight pilots flying for bish. One might argue that you are only associated with the country that you are accumulating stats for at any given moment.
It may seem to you to be a better choice to rely on anecdotal evidence, but even that can be broken down into statistics. If we took all the ancedotal evidence in this entire thread, and rated fighter skill on a scale from 1 to 3, 1 being lowest 3 being highest, it seems to me as if the ratings would still be (lowest) bish, knight, (highest) rook. Anecdotal evidence in this thread seems, to me, to just be backing up what the statistics are saying.
This may seem disturbing or offensive to bish pilots that they are being labeled as generally poor in their fighting ability. Well, all I can say is to compare only yourself to your opponents. You do not represent the entire country you fly for. I have spent a good deal of time flying with every country, and I really enjoy flying with the bish, whether or not the stats say they have a lower K/D. I have flown with some very skilled fellow bish pilots. And I have seen below average pilots flying for every country. What's best is just to keep continually learning the game, enjoying the company of the people you fly with, and having fun.
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I started off as a knight for first month and a half, found a squad, but promly moved to Rooks with new fellow freinds of the squad to form our own squad. Now I am a Die HARD ROOK!!!!
I recently spent a night on the knight side because of our usual massive eny. It was totally different expereince, i found no teamwork, and the vox was silent as a ghost town, no check sixes, no plane calls, no order or cordination at all, everyone was out for themselfs. but i do not remember it that way. but alot of things have changed since i was a knight, alot of the big squads are now gone.
the bish however, can get organized and quicky make u pay for comming into their territory, they will hunt in packs and seem to carry some of the biggest squads. ive been on that side flying with bucky and his crew, and its far better organized than the knights, and they will stop u from taking a base quicky and make u pay for comming over there.
The Rooks are sheere numbers. but I will say very well organized, alot of missions are ran, alot of TEAMWORK. thats why we reset most the maps. I also think most of the experienced better pilots are rooks.
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I think yarbles is right the numbers do prove it, skill leval on rook side is supiror mainly because theres alot of veterans, and team play is way more organized, i can start a mission and get 25 people easy and take 8 bases within 2 hours, ive done it many times
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i will say this about the rooks though: i dont believe their skill level is higher than knights...i find them all very killable ...
Falcnwng-god-complex
Now you know why many of us left Birds of Prey
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WaRLoCkL, I tend to disagree.
i can start a mission and get 25 people easy and take 8 bases within 2 hours, ive done it many times
It shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing about skill. 25 Rooks vulching a base does not show a great amount of skill though it will show a great kill to death ratio. It shows a large number of opportunists, not skilled pilots. Even the worst pilot in the game can shoot a stationary plane and get a kill. The trick is beating his 24 buddies to the kill. And of all three sides, I have seen more "Rook Hoards" vulching fields than Knights or Bishops. That is just what I have seen though.
The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base. It does not take into account people that will up Ostwinds in an overwhelming number of enemy air cons and die countless times to bombs just to hone gunnery skills. We do this a lot. Sorry if we are trashing the stats.
It just shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing more. The very fact that dying means nothing in this game other than score trashes those stats. Each side has some VERY good pilots and some VERY lousy pilots. You can't say that the pilots that fly for one side have more skills than pilots that fly for either of the other sides.
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by xBishsquaddie
Falcnwng-god-complex
Now you know why many of us left Birds of Prey
or were kicked out:t
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kingsixbishsquaddie? :lol
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:huh
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
WaRLoCkL, I tend to disagree.
It shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing about skill. 25 Rooks vulching a base does not show a great amount of skill though it will show a great kill to death ratio. It shows a large number of opportunists, not skilled pilots. Even the worst pilot in the game can shoot a stationary plane and get a kill. The trick is beating his 24 buddies to the kill. And of all three sides, I have seen more "Rook Hoards" vulching fields than Knights or Bishops. That is just what I have seen though.
The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base. It does not take into account people that will up Ostwinds in an overwhelming number of enemy air cons and die countless times to bombs just to hone gunnery skills. We do this a lot. Sorry if we are trashing the stats.
It just shows that Rooks kill more and die less. It shows nothing more. The very fact that dying means nothing in this game other than score trashes those stats. Each side has some VERY good pilots and some VERY lousy pilots. You can't say that the pilots that fly for one side have more skills than pilots that fly for either of the other sides.
LTARsqrl <>
What makes you think most of our kills come from vuching? I find it rare when I can get to a base in time and get a little vulching done. I'd say 90% of my fighter to fighter kills if not 95% come from planes in the air.
Hell if I do happen to get lucky and get to a bases that's deacked, has the VH down and has guys upping on the runway, then I'm lucky to get 4 or 5 kills.
Why do you act as if Knights or Bish don't vulch aswell, vulching isn't a Rooks only thing.
BTW why do you just assume it's only Bish that will fight to get a base uncapped? I do it all the time and I'm a Rook. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, I tell yea..
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crockett:
What makes you think most of our kills come from vuching?
Where did I say "MOST" of Rook kills came from vulching. I said that BECAUSE of vulching the statistics, which were posted dating back to 2003 by the way, don't mean squat.
crockett:
Why do you act as if Knights or Bish don't vulch as well, vulching isn't a Rooks only thing.
LTARsqrl:
And of all three sides, I have seen more "Rook Hoards" vulching fields than Knights or Bishops. That is just what I have seen though.
Notice it says "I", meaning my personal observations from my experience. Also, note that it does not exclude Knights and Bishops, just states that "I" see more Rooks participating in major vulchfests than the other sides. Also, it does NOT say that this observation is from the last week, or month. But rather from the past YEARS.
crockett:
BTW why do you just assume it's only Bish that will fight to get a base uncapped?
Did I say that? Or did you?
LTARsqrl:
The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base.
Why did YOU assume I meant ONLY Bishops?
Don't read more into my post that is there. This simply states that those statistics don't mean squat about pilot skill when dying has no value beyond score. It points out just one type of example on how the Kill/Death ratios are tainted.
LTARsqrl <> ;)
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
or were kicked out:t
lmao, smooth falc :lol
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The numbers not take into account that people will fight on and on to brake the cap. Dying countless times and killing one or two of the vulchers but eventually busting the cap and saving the base.
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just a hint, the idea (for me) is not to break a CAP with huge sacrifice of life. Up a fighter and kill as many as you can is the first option. If that fails up an La7. If that fails up an IL2. when that fails up a formation of B26s and finally after these four attempts its time to go to another field and come in at 10,000ft.
;)
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Originally posted by WaRLoCkL
I recently spent a night on the knight side because of our usual massive eny. It was totally different expereince, i found no teamwork, and the vox was silent as a ghost town, no check sixes, no plane calls, no order or cordination at all, everyone was out for themselfs. but i do not remember it that way. but alot of things have changed since i was a knight, alot of the big squads are now gone.
To which I say yes but:
Yesterday (Sunday) was completely different, about 25 nights from about 3 squads flying as one in disciplined back to back missions taking base after base. (Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game). Some of us even enjoyed it
:O
:O :O
Surely this must be good for Rook and Bish especially Rooks who seem to be the current supremo's
It would be great if all 3 countries could get even better at this and then all of us go and beat up some other WW2 simulation.:t
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Thanx Yarbles, But those missions, Precision only led the B24's, everyone else had the Lead in their own rides, and also knew what to do. And BTW WAS F'Kn Excellent. I might say. The best line, from that was
"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".
Cheers:p :aok :cool:
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Originally posted by 4deck
Thanx Yarbles, But those missions, Precision only led the B24's, everyone else had the Lead in their own rides, and also knew what to do. And BTW WAS F'Kn Excellent. I might say. The best line, from that was
"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".
Cheers:p :aok :cool:
I think in my own tiny world that these missions showed the overwhelmong power of accurate, heavy "precision" bombing blasting the way open for what amounted to a Blitzcrieg :t
Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy
:t :t :t
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:noid
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A12 the field you took last night with 400 bombers.
was reclaimed this morning by my 1 set of lancs, 1 typhoon and a goon.
Precision bombing is better than the whole of the 8th AAF ;)
it was good to see the weaklings of AH put together a mission that worked however many of you it took. Now try it without the absurd amount of planes. Or let me have unlimited ammo in the K4!!!
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Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game
:rofl
"Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy"
and there ya have it all in a nutshell.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
"Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy"
But it worked :D
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It's funny how a useless thread is still trogging on.
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Originally posted by klingan
But it worked :D
Excellent, I agree and that is the thing that pisses people off:aok
I run my own businees and have to make nearly all my own decisions, in my free time I like to be in the military, told what to do and win :cool:
If we keep takeing bases like that in future I would like to see what the response could be.
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Actually A12, wasnt the first base.
The first mission was for A15, I believe, we just rolled on 37 then, and took that within, 5 mins of A15. And it did work. Well. A12 came as the third mission, and that also worked.
Actually most missions work, when you have the people in it, I think thats a fair assumption, whichever country you fly for.:aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's funny how a useless thread is still trogging on.
Have you read "catch 22"?
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LMAO,
Funny how I only see this squad in low peep arenas attacking undefended bases. Had fun killing 3 of these guys trying to take a bases one day by my lonesome. Eventually they got frustrated and moved on. Guess they are practicing for the Big Boys arenas.
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Originally posted by LTARghst
LMAO,
Funny how I only see this squad in low peep arenas attacking undefended bases. Had fun killing 3 of these guys trying to take a bases one day by my lonesome. Eventually they got frustrated and moved on. Guess they are practicing for the Big Boys arenas.
I turn the handle and my monkey dances:rofl
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You looking at to many pon sites.
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Originally posted by LTARghst
You looking at to many pon sites.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
And Its true:D
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Originally posted by LTARghst
I only see this squad in low peep arenas.
Well, evidently we were not the only one there then.
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Originally posted by 4deck
"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".
Cheers:p :aok :cool:
Don t mean to bore anyone but I just wanted to see this bit again:D
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Originally posted by LTARghst
LMAO,
Funny how I only see this squad in low peep arenas attacking undefended bases. Had fun killing 3 of these guys trying to take a bases one day by my lonesome. Eventually they got frustrated and moved on. Guess they are practicing for the Big Boys arenas.
Im not sure I follow you there Ghst.
I can guarantee you the only time, you see us there is to help a map reset, and for the most part, it must be a time of day thing, cause 99% of the time were in the LW Blue areana. At least from the time I get on which is around 6 pm EST. And to be perfectly honest I really dont care where my squadmates are, only I prefer at my 3 and 9, when we roll.
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Originally posted by Larry
Bish = HOers
Nits = Gangers
Rooks= Alt monkeys
i agree,i have been all three my self,but knights are the least talanted of the three,their are alot of good bish but no leadership,rooks just hord 20K+ over a base,and when you get on their six they dive to the deck like grils.and a few knights go higher then rooks do,some people from the Dragons of Steal ok 25K+ just to live,because their score hores.
1.Rooks
2.Bish
3.Knights.
in that order best to worst,but wining map's in the La bish are #1,they have won the most maps.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
i agree,i have been all three my self,but knights are the least talanted of the three,their are alot of good bish but no leadership,rooks just hord 20K+ over a base,and when you get on their six they dive to the deck like grils.and a few knights go higher then rooks do,some people from the Dragons of Steal ok 25K+ just to live,because their score hores.
1.Rooks
2.Bish
3.Knights.
in that order best to worst,but wining map's in the La bish are #1,they have won the most maps.
1.) Learn to use sentences properly to convey a point. God created the period, instead of using a run-on sentence.
2.) Why is it that when you were a rook, you were THE ONE higher than me? You generalized a "point" and now you are getting burned by the same. As far as "dive to the deck like a bunch of grils". Get over yourself.
Why is it the "one's who claim to be the top sticks" are so full of watermelon that they get lost in the methane aroma to speak the truth?
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's funny how a useless thread is still trogging on.
You crack me up :D
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
1.) Learn to use sentences properly to convey a point. God created the period, instead of using a run-on sentence.
2.) Why is it that when you were a rook, you were THE ONE higher than me? You generalized a "point" and now you are getting burned by the same. As far as "dive to the deck like a bunch of grils". Get over yourself.
Why is it the "one's who claim to be the top sticks" are so full of watermelon that they get lost in the methane aroma to speak the truth?
:rofl Vanscrew just got owned so bad.:rofl
Vans is always in the hoard, at least 15k or higher. He likes to fly with the numbers where he feels safer. He thinks cause he finally learned how to merge that he can own anybody now. Its actually very funny.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
(Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game).
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol
And vanscrew...the knights, bish, and rooks all have their equal share of good sticks as well as ALL countries have their share of alt monkeys. Such as last night in Blue, the bish and the knights were the ones at 10k+ and rooks otd.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
You crack me up :D
Thank you, my wife says I'm not funny. :)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Thank you, my wife says I'm not funny. :)
Best yet
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Next time marry someone English your probably too ironic for her taste, that or get the Bannana skins and custard pies in;)
Better still marry me, I suspect neither of us are gay so the sex will be rubbish but we,ll have a laugh which is much more important :)
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I have been a Knight since I started. I have found that we dont win resets. We are uncoordinated at times and I have issues with that. I see some hope with the Knights but then a Bish horde smacks us around and we scatter. It is not that the Bish are better than us is that we cant keep the ball rolling. I believe that this is due to the fact that the there are more Knights that do not play regularly due to jobs, family or other things. I see alot of coordination on the weekends and then on Monday morning the Bish are at it again. Oh well I like an underdog and will continue to join the missions and furball with the best. THE KNIGHTS. Just remember my name I dont hide. If you kill me I will re-up until I get ya. Even if it takes me 10 to 20 times.
CFI and Cannon Fodder and Montana gentleman rancher.
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Originally posted by P47Gra
I have been a Knight since I started. I have found that we dont win resets. We are uncoordinated at times and I have issues with that. I see some hope with the Knights but then a Bish horde smacks us around and we scatter. It is not that the Bish are better than us is that we cant keep the ball rolling. I believe that this is due to the fact that the there are more Knights that do not play regularly due to jobs, family or other things. I see alot of coordination on the weekends and then on Monday morning the Bish are at it again. Oh well I like an underdog and will continue to join the missions and furball with the best. THE KNIGHTS. Just remember my name I dont hide. If you kill me I will re-up until I get ya. Even if it takes me 10 to 20 times.
CFI and Cannon Fodder and Montana gentleman rancher.
What a good bloke :aok Surely one of the best.
I hope I used to be like you but then I started looking at my scores:cry
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Excellent, I agree and that is the thing that pisses people off:aok
Originally posted by P47Gra
If you kill me I will re-up until I get ya. Even if it takes me 10 to 20 times.
You're wrong, Yarbles. What pisses us off is that the horde people seems not to realize that overwhelming number will never teach them anything, not will do anything to hone their skills. That's the trouble. Anyone can get some kills when fighting 50 vs 5, even if he's barely able to fly. Needless to say, he'll keep sticking with the horde and never learn to fight.
The right attitude is Gra's one. Get up, get killed, re up and fight again and again, and die, again and again and again! Challenge the pilots better than you to DA, learn from them, record all of your sorties and review them... read books, articles on the net and everything you can find, and you'll learn to fly and fight, you'll get rid of the horde and you'll discover how rewarding is to to fight 1 vs 3 and shoot them all down...
Of course, this is just my idea of fun, but I find really boring to fly with some other tens of country mates.... there's no challenge and no skills involved.
As for the topic of this thread, as many as already said, in all the 3 countries you'll find good guys, nice fellows who'll make you laugh, morons and any kind of pilots, from toolshedders to furballers, armchair generals and mindless airquakers... IMHO, it doesn't really matter what country you fly for, as already said too many times on this forum, this is just a game, the only thing that matters is having fun, in any form you want it. The war and winning it is not the purpose of this game, so, in my perspective, I don't care if Knights don't win reset, I find myself at home there and, most of the times, I'll fly there.
You just have to find the group of people with whom you like most to play, Yarbles.
See you all in the sky! <>
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I noticed one problem with the Knights the other day.
Three LTARs, Kils, Jaco and myself, went to Knights to help with low numbers. We were under attack by the Bishops and they were dumping lots of troops. When Knights got a handle on that, we took the fight to the Bishops V-Base. With two spawns into that base and multiple GVs moving on it, the air wing went over and started capping and taking down VHs. I rolled troops and when I got close, two Typhies flew in. They found me, and promptly sent me to the tower. I re-upped and again, as I got close, one Typhy, being chased by 4 or 5 Knights flew right at me and killed me again.
Now, at the time I was towered by the Typhy, there were at least 6 or 7 Knights flying cap with more inbound. I headed back with a goon, as others were bringing in troops with M-3s. As I was approaching the mid-way point with my Goon, here come all the air cap. I asked if someone was remaining to cap the V-Base and I was told, "we're low on ammo". They flew off into the sunset and that was the last I saw of the Knight Airforce. I climbed and orbited for about 5 minutes hoping they would come back as the two Typhies, which had been shot down and returned pounded the M-3s. The VHs popped, vehicles poured out and that was that.
It was as if they said "Well, the bullets were gone, the fight was over. Oh well, lets go somewhere else."
That was how my one hour back on the Knights went.
Whether an isolated incident or not, it was VERY reminiscent of when we were flying with the Knights. Knights would have a big attack on, then all of a sudden, you found yourself alone in the skies surrounded by red and you would see your attack group landing kills and going some place else. They would not come back and press the fight.
Masherbrum:
It's funny how a useless thread is still trogging on.
It's funny how you keep reading it and making constructive contributions. :lol
LTARsqrl <> :aok
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Masherbrum:
It's funny how you keep reading it and making constructive contributions. :lol
LTARsqrl <> :aok
What has been constructive in this whole thread? I've read the same whines and "accusations" of dweebery, which haven't changed in the over 5 years I've been playing AH.
I made 2 posts prior to my last one which is to the point, and therefore the ones "who do not agree", are the one's who it would have been directed at. I'll see your :aok and raise you a :cry . I hate using em but for once they convey everything nicely.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
As for the topic of this thread, as many as already said, in all the 3 countries you'll find good guys, nice fellows who'll make you laugh, morons and any kind of pilots, from toolshedders to furballers, armchair generals and mindless airquakers... IMHO, it doesn't really matter what country you fly for, as already said too many times on this forum, this is just a game, the only thing that matters is having fun, in any form you want it. The war and winning it is not the purpose of this game, so, in my perspective, I don't care if Knights don't win reset, I find myself at home there and, most of the times, I'll fly there.
You just have to find the group of people with whom you like most to play, Yarbles.
See you all in the sky! <>
But Gian that makes too much sense. :D
Personally I dont really understand having loyalty to a chess piece. Its just a chess piece. Me and many others will switch side whenever feel like it and have fun on any side. Each side has people that are fun to fly with and will never experience it until you fly for a different side. Some of us go where the fight is or others go to have fun with friends they dont always fly with.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
But Gian that makes too much sense. :D
Personally I dont really understand having loyalty to a chess piece. Its just a chess piece. Me and many others will switch side whenever feel like it and have fun on any side. Each side has people that are fun to fly with and will never experience it until you fly for a different side. Some of us go where the fight is or others go to have fun with friends they dont always fly with.
Me too. I'm in Nazgul which is primarily a Rook squad, but I switch. It is hardly fun when you are one of 150 players in rookland, thrashing 80 Knights, and 100 Bish. I'll check the roster and if some friends are on in the other countries, I'll switch and wing em.
I no longer "pledge allegance to a chess piece".
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Why yes you have made two post prior to that one. And here they are. First one was to degrade another pilot for his post. Then a condescending post about play, and my favorite, a whine about how lame the thread you keep reading is. And then a double up on the lame thread post in general.
In short, what I have come to expect from any of your posts. Comic relief in the form of ridicule.
Masherbrum:
Which is why you pick and vultch in a Tempest? Get off of your Shetland Pony.
If it "takes a thread like this to light a fire to fight", well that is sad.
It's funny how a useless thread is still trogging on.
What has been constructive in this whole thread? I've read the same whines and "accusations" of dweebery, which haven't changed in the over 5 years I've been playing AH.
You asked what has been constructive in the whole thread? The thread in general has been interesting. It shows how others view the different sides and how they view the tactics and strategies of the other sides. Worthless to you, but 190 post worth of peoples input on a topic. Even your input though not constructive, keeps people reading it and coming back for more. So I guess in your own way, you are contributing. You keep people reading this thread and adding to it. :rofl
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Why yes you have made two post prior to that one. And here they are. First one was to degrade another pilot for his post. Then a condescending post about play, and my favorite, a whine about how lame the thread you keep reading is. And then a double up on the lame thread post in general.
In short, what I have come to expect from any of your posts. Comic relief in the form of ridicule.
Masherbrum:
You asked what has been constructive in the whole thread? The thread in general has been interesting. It shows how others view the different sides and how they view the tactics and strategies of the other sides. Worthless to you, but 190 post worth of peoples input on a topic. Even your input though not constructive, keeps people reading it and coming back for more. So I guess in your own way, you are contributing. You keep people reading this thread and adding to it. :rofl
LTARsqrl <>
I don't have an "elitist attitude" in game, and contradict myself in here. But it seems other's have at one point placed themselves on a pedestal, and continue with the same "whines" under a different heading.
Finally, if you wish to take this personally. Take it to PM"s, I've never had an issue with you.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Personally I dont really understand having loyalty to a chess piece. Its just a chess piece. Me and many others will switch side whenever feel like it and have fun on any side. Each side has people that are fun to fly with and will never experience it until you fly for a different side. Some of us go where the fight is or others go to have fun with friends they dont always fly with.
That's what I meant! Play the game the way it gives you most fun! If you feel you want to fly for a country... do it! If you feel you just want to jump from furball to furball, regardless of country... do it! If you fly Knight and one day you want to switch because the green fields are on the wrong and boring part of the map... do it! I'm gonna switch, too, if any good fight is around! I'm not loyal to any chess piece, I'm loyal only to my fun. ;)
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
That's what I meant! Play the game the way it gives you most fun! If you feel you want to fly for a country... do it! If you feel you just want to jump from furball to furball, regardless of country... do it! If you fly Knight and one day you want to switch because the green fields are on the wrong and boring part of the map... do it! I'm gonna switch, too, if any good fight is around! I'm not loyal to any chess piece, I'm loyal only to my fun. ;)
Gah this makes too much sense. :D
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all i can say, all countries are basically the same. If you fly in one arena, and you have a large number advantage you win... If you don't, you lose. pretty much end of story. I go to one arena see, nits number's in the bucket, and they are getting thrashed. I go to the other arena, they have numbers and the most bases. The other night rooks had something like 180 players to approx 60 nits, and 80 bish....rough approx. guess who was winning. Go to the other arena, rooks getting pounded, they are low number. That's the strat game right there. I wonder how many times low number teams try to take a base, when it looks like the will take it, maybe many go to defend another base that is being overwhelmed. I don't think you can say lack of numbers makes teams "bad" Just my experience, i've been switching country's for years now. It's always been the same.
I might also add, that i've always thought that certain players will gravitate to the lower numbered teams....sometimes these players aren't so much interested in taking bases, but seeing alot of planes. On the other side of the coin, I'm sure SOME strat players/squads like to fly for the higher numbered side for obvious reasons. Just a theory.
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Why did YOU assume I meant ONLY Bishops?
Don't read more into my post that is there. This simply states that those statistics don't mean squat about pilot skill when dying has no value beyond score. It points out just one type of example on how the Kill/Death ratios are tainted.
LTARsqrl <> ;)
Why did I assume? Simply because you used those examples as to why the "Rooks" have better kill to death ratio and why the Bish don't as if it's a fact.
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Originally posted by VansCrew1
i agree,i have been all three my self,but knights are the least talanted of the three,their are alot of good bish but no leadership,rooks just hord 20K+ over a base,and when you get on their six they dive to the deck like grils.and a few knights go higher then rooks do,some people from the Dragons of Steal ok 25K+ just to live,because their score hores.
1.Rooks
2.Bish
3.Knights.
in that order best to worst,but wining map's in the La bish are #1,they have won the most maps.
The only reason the Bish ever reset maps, is because all the milk runners come on late at night. I've seen it time and time again in the 2am to 4am time rage there is a group of Bish that are on every night whom pretty much do nothing but milk run when the bases have little to no defense.
Now I'll admit the bish have been putting together some good missions lately, but seems to take every bish that's online to capture a base. Then many times we see their wave of 30 bombers and half of them don't hit a thing.
Look at the last two resets the Rooks did in the LW's on Fri and Sat.. we didn't have to take your bases with 30 bomber plus missions.
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:eek: A fart was imminent, sorry, I digress, I have found thy enemy.
It is US.
*riips one* and doesnt even look back
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Gah this makes too much sense. :D
Do'h! You're right, I'm too much rational... I have to become a more hot-headed, lousy thinking, whiny rant spitter! Luckily I know the perfect man to teach me that.... when can we meet, Hoochie? :D
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
You're wrong, Yarbles. What pisses us off is that the horde people seems not to realize that overwhelming number will never teach them anything, not will do anything to hone their skills. That's the trouble. Anyone can get some kills when fighting 50 vs 5, even if he's barely able to fly. Needless to say, he'll keep sticking with the horde and never learn to fight.
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No one likes being told there wrong:o :D
Anyway why not develop some other skills and 5 of you up against the horde instead of 1 and destroy their mission Bof B style. I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning. Facing the horde is just another challenge like building and directing the horde. The other night one 262 upped against about 25-30 of us the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else. If they had got 5 or 10 up I think the mission may have failed.
If the horde pisses you off then do something about it i.e. defeat it. I think you would find most fighter pilots flew in squadrons for a reason but in reality the majority of AH seems to be inidividual actions and you also have the duelling arena. :D
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Originally posted by Yarbles
No one likes being told there wrong:o :D
Anyway why not develop some other skills and 5 of you up against the horde instead of 1 and destroy their mission Bof B style. I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning. Facing the horde is just another challenge like building and directing the horde. The other night one 262 upped against about 25-30 of us the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else. If they had got 5 or 10 up I think the mission may have failed.
If the horde pisses you off then do something about it i.e. defeat it. I think you would find most fighter pilots flew in squadrons for a reason but in reality the majority of AH seems to be inidividual actions and you also have the duelling arena. :D
So true. Last night our squad was getting cherry picked. I rolled a 262 and parted cons like Moses parting the Red Sea. Because of the loss of theperch, they were forced into more "equal fights". 200 went up like Bill Clinton's peepee in a potatohouse.
It's ok AH. Please from now on. "Blame Karaya". Support the "Blame Karaya 2008" campaign, and release yourself from the stress and vigors of AH. If you have been "ho'd by a Niki or Lgay7" - Blame Karaya. If you get vulched by a Tempest - Blame Karaya. If your base gets overrun and strated to the moon - Blame Karaya.
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i would just like to say that i am in full support of 'Blame Karaya 2008'
sounds like a good plan, got my vote.
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well, learning should be fun, but not dependent upon it. Having players that are able to rely more on their elite cartoon airplane fighting skillz, than that of them plus the 5 other people, benefits everyone. For you strat guys, it means you don't need 150 people to take a base. For people who enjoy air combat, it means you don't have to play bore'n'zoom and cherry pick the horde. trying to equate this game to real life is a big mistake, for so many reasons, i won't even get into here. I have no problem flying into the horde, do it all the time. But it is much more fun to have better fights. Though somewhat entertaining, diving in on 5 cons chasing 1 good guy, shooting them like ducks in a row, is not what I would consider the fun part of the game, it's not really combat. It takes people awhile to get the hang of this game, for sure, but some here, including myself, would like to see the game evolve from the stat it is currently in, (actually has numbers have grown it seems to have devolved a bit), to a game where success is not soley determined by which team can have the overwhelming number advantage. That aspect really has nothing to do with skill, thought, gaming, or strategy, or organization...it's just a mob. and i'm not talking about a mission or a squad mission...
Mash, so far you have my vote for 08....Corky is the current ruiner of AH, but he has a very busy schedule, mostly around p38 repair after his landings. Not sure if he will have the time to continue his active role as ruiner of AH.:D
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Originally posted by Yarbles
No one likes being told there wrong:o :D
:lol Oh, well, excuse me but....
I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning.
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you're wrong! ;) :D No, not really wrong, but you put in my mouth things I never said or meant. My fun depends on finding a stimulating fight. And fighting against the horde can be very stimulating and rewarding, although very hard. Just read the paragraph I wrote after the one you quoted.
The matter is that, as Pluck said, if my opponents knows how to fly and fight, he'll give me a better fight. That's why I'd like to see people learning more.
the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else.
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Again, this is a game. I can say on country channel I need help to defend a field, but I can't force people to abandon what they're doing (and hopefully is giving them fun) to come to my aid... that's what the little armchair generals do... I can only ask and hope to get some help, but I'm fully aware I'm on my own. Who am I to tell people what they have to do? This is a game, they can do what they want.
If the horde pisses you off...
As I said, it's not the horde in itself, it's the mentality it implies... read what Pluck wrote, he nailed it down perfectly:
well, learning should be fun, but not dependent upon it. Having players that are able to rely more on their elite cartoon airplane fighting skillz, than that of them plus the 5 other people, benefits everyone. For you strat guys, it means you don't need 150 people to take a base. For people who enjoy air combat, it means you don't have to play bore'n'zoom and cherry pick the horde. trying to equate this game to real life is a big mistake, for so many reasons, i won't even get into here. I have no problem flying into the horde, do it all the time. But it is much more fun to have better fights.
Karaya.... look at my sig! :D
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Karaya.... look at my sig! :D
Spread the word!
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Spread the word!
I am :D
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Why yes you have made two post prior to that one. And here they are. First one was to degrade another pilot for his post. Then a condescending post about play, and my favorite, a whine about how lame the thread you keep reading is. And then a double up on the lame thread post in general.
In short, what I have come to expect from any of your posts. Comic relief in the form of ridicule.
Masherbrum:
You asked what has been constructive in the whole thread? The thread in general has been interesting. It shows how others view the different sides and how they view the tactics and strategies of the other sides. Worthless to you, but 190 post worth of peoples input on a topic. Even your input though not constructive, keeps people reading it and coming back for more. So I guess in your own way, you are contributing. You keep people reading this thread and adding to it. :rofl
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About the thread being interesting :aok
But please stop picking on Masherbrum we will all be old, cranky and cynical one day, claiming to have seen it all before and generally smelling of wee;)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Led by Precisision (+) the finest squad in the game
:rofl
"Surprise, co ordination and overwhelming force, Kill Crush Destroy"
and there ya have it all in a nutshell.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Dont forget though dedalos
Originally posted by 4deck
"They were still typing WTF when we captured the base".
Cheers:p :aok :cool:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Yarbles
No one likes being told there wrong:o :D
Anyway why not develop some other skills and 5 of you up against the horde instead of 1 and destroy their mission Bof B style. I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning. Facing the horde is just another challenge like building and directing the horde. The other night one 262 upped against about 25-30 of us the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else. If they had got 5 or 10 up I think the mission may have failed.
You should be proud that it would take 5 people to to stop 30 of you. Now, what does that say about your skilzzzz1. . . .:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
You should be proud that it would take 5 people to to stop 30 of you. Now, what does that say about your skilzzzz1. . . .:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
You should be proud that it would take 5 people to to stop 30 of you. Now, what does that say about your skilzzzz1. . . .:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Are yes but only 8 were fighters as we had a purpose. Those fighters were spread out defending about 20 or more Bombers and Fighter bombers who themselves had different missions and I think it is generally held it is more difficult to defend than atack in Air warfare anyway, Especially when defending slow moving Unmanoverable Bombers. Also Fighter Bombers are forced to drop ord to defend which then undermines the mission. As we approached we produced Dar Bars that filled 2 sectors but still only 1 262 managed to show itself and the mission covered aroun 4 sectors I believe.
Read and Learn dedalos and Hoarach :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Are yes but only 8 were fighters as we had a purpose. Those fighters were spread out defending about 20 or more Bombers and Fighter bombers who themselves had different missions and I think it is generally held it is more difficult to defend than atack in Air warfare anyway, Especially when defending slow moving Unmanoverable Bombers. Also Fighter Bombers are forced to drop ord to defend which then undermines the mission. As we approached we produced Dar Bars that filled 2 sectors but still only 1 262 managed to show itself and the mission covered aroun 4 sectors I believe.
Read and Learn dedalos and Hoarach :rolleyes:
LoL I love to hear squeekers in the spring! It means summers not far away !
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Read and Learn dedalos and Hoarach :rolleyes:
I am learning. Numbers = smart mission design and superb stratigery :lol
BTW, you did it wrong. The buffs should have been covering the fighters. :lol
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Originally posted by Yarbles
But please stop picking on Masherbrum we will all be old, cranky and cynical one day, claiming to have seen it all before and generally smelling of wee;)
What have you done for this game? I sure as hope with your numbers you aren't training. I've lost count of new folks that I have helped, that means more to me than landing kills. Make sure you move the fan before peeing. You just got some overspray.
This thread is NO DIFFERENT than 400+ other's claiming "dweebery in another country". Why LTARsqrl chose to make it personal is beyond me. but "How this can be all of a sudden be intriguing the 401st time?!" is even more more of a mystery.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Are yes but
:confused: I'm with the Fugitive..... :D ;)
and I think it is generally held it is more difficult to defend than atack in Air warfare anyway.
Indeed, and that means, again, that you're choosing the most easy part of the game... attack! No challenge! :D
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Wait a minute with all those buffs shouldnt they have more guns than the fighters? 20 bombers multiply by 3 since there are 3 in each box thats 60 bombers. With 60 bombers that is 600 mgs total just on the buffs alone. With that many buffs/guns should be able to defend against a few fighters. But your also saying 8 of your squadron fighters cant take 8 enemy fighters? :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
LoL I love to hear squeekers in the spring! It means summers not far away !
Surely this is going too far? :cry :cry :cry
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
What have you done for this game? I sure as hope with your numbers you aren't training. I've lost count of new folks that I have helped, that means more to me than landing kills. Make sure you move the fan before peeing. You just got some overspray.
This thread is NO DIFFERENT than 400+ other's claiming "dweebery in another country". Why LTARsqrl chose to make it personal is beyond me. but "How this can be all of a sudden be intriguing the 401st time?!" is even more more of a mystery.
As always priceless, but the intention was to examine the lack of organisation/ co ordination in my own country and why we dont win the map as often as the the others do. In the process I was also interestred in finding out if there are some characteristics that typify each country pehaps creating a healthy sense of Xenophobia and team spirit especially in what I percieved to be my own countries dissorganised rabble. I have endeavoured to ferment some controversy but also some sense of identity in the different countries to give more meaning.
To the detractors I say why do we have countries, bases, and map re sets if its not also about large missions etc. I am all for skills but also sometimes it s nice to loose oneself in the crowd rather than spend all your time fluttering around pre madona style calling people dweebs and newbs and how boring it is and how it aint what it used to be and people arnt learning properly and snor snor :D
And youve been complaining about people making it personal but hinting at my score being less than exemplary, whats that all about then eh :eek:
I think its all good though
;)
I wish I could see the Rooks and Bish organising some decent missions like we do over at knights. Maybe one or wo of you should get in touch with our C/O I am sure he would help you guys out if you ask nicely
:D
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Originally posted by Yarbles
As always priceless, but the intention was to examine the lack of organisation/ co ordination in my own country and why we dont win the map as often as the the others do. In the process I was also interestred in finding out if there are some characteristics that typify each country pehaps creating a healthy sense of Xenophobia and team spirit especially in what I percieved to be my own countries dissorganised rabble. I have endeavoured to ferment some controversy but also some sense of identity in the different countries to give more meaning.
To the detractors I say why do we have countries, bases, and map re sets if its not also about large missions etc. I am all for skills but also sometimes it s nice to loose oneself in the crowd rather than spend all your time fluttering around pre madona style calling people dweebs and newbs and how boring it is and how it aint what it used to be and people arnt learning properly and snor snor :D
And youve been complaining about people making it personal but hinting at my score being less than exemplary, whats that all about then eh :eek:
I think its all good though
;)
I wish I could see the Rooks and Bish organising some decent missions like we do over at knights. Maybe one or wo of you should get in touch with our C/O I am sure he would help you guys out if you ask nicely
:D
You made a cheap shot, and are now snowballing that fact with paragraphs of grammar. Which quite frankly, is boring to read.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
As always priceless, but the intention was to examine the lack of organisation/ co ordination in my own country and why we dont win the map as often as the the others do. In the process I was also interestred in finding out if there are some characteristics that typify each country pehaps creating a healthy sense of Xenophobia and team spirit ...
What Karaya meant is that your intention is the same that countless other threads had in the past, and this one had a no different outcome.
To the detractors I say why do we have countries, bases, and map re sets
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Because this is a combat simulation and, as HT said, countries and the war are there just to promote fun through combat.
I wish I could see the Rooks and Bish organising some decent missions like we do over at knights. Maybe one or wo of you should get in touch with our C/O I am sure he would help you guys out if you ask nicely
:D
They do, Yarbles.... you see, you're too busy flying with the horde to know that they do... if you spent more time defending the fields, you'd know that Bishops and Rooks have their own horde, maybe more efficient that the Knight one (wasn't this what you said at the beginning?)... but that's how things go in the game, right now, people fly in the Horde and it is a well known principle of the war that the Hordes avoid each other.....
EDIT: Do'h! Karaya beat me! I blame you! :furious
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Originally posted by Yarbles
And youve been complaining about people making it personal but hinting at my score being less than exemplary, whats that all about then eh :eek:
I do not fly for score. I do care how I perform in the game. It's obvious you don't. So I suggest you watch who you try to bully. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and you should have just not replied. But, like most here, you need to get the last word in.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I do not fly for score. I do care how I perform in the game. It's obvious you don't. So I suggest you watch who you try to bully. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and you should have just not replied. But, like most here, you need to get the last word in.
Listen Grandad I certainly do not need to have the last word and can smell the bait very well now as can you.
Infact i suspect I am even more of an old git than you are but just havent been on here for 5 years. If I had known about it 5 years I would have been though. But If I had known you were going to be sensitive about it I would have been more gentle with you.
My point is this is page 9 and I am taking on at least 3 of you at once in this arena and clearly winning ;)
I will be looking out for some decent missions form you guys though and will particularly be interested in how many defenders it takes to bring you down in self righteous flames lol :lol
I ve been on here for 6 months and have seen nothing to rival what we put up last sunday:D
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Yarbles, pardon. When you see in the text buffer, "Xbase has been captured by the Bishops or Rooks", you know it isn't a random system message.
Last night I saw the Rooks take A33. It wasn't a ton of people. I think it was a squad operation. (<> HAs). At least I think it was the HAs. That constitutes a mission. Capturing a base doesn't take 50 people in an overwhelming mob to be a mission. I know from our own operations that a mission can be 10 people with specific jobs to quickly and efficiently take a base intact. I find it nice to capture a base we can work out if immediately and not have to wait because everything that can be destroyed was. That to me is a better mission than 50 people smashing everything in sight.
And to Masherbrum:
To LTARsqrl Why LTARsqrl chose to make it personal is beyond me.
Masherbrum refering to a post by VansCrew11.) Learn to use sentences properly to convey a point. God created the period, instead of using a run-on sentence.
Masherbrum refering to a post by BaldEagle Which is why you pick and vultch in a Tempest? Get off of your Shetland Pony.
Masherbrum refering to the Thread started by Yarbles It's funny how a useless thread is still trogging on.
Your right. Nothing personal. :noid
LTARsqrl <> :rofl
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Originally posted by Yarbles
... I am taking on at least 3 of you at once in this arena and clearly winning ;) ...
Point of views... to me, you're clearly losing.
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Yarbles, pardon. When you see in the text buffer, "Xbase has been captured by the Bishops or Rooks", you know it isn't a random system message.
We have taken bases with 2 guys thats not the point its the 3 bases in quick succession. And anyway all this whingeing is obviously down to the fact that you have no answer to it.
Not you in particular over anyone else, you lot are obviously highly skilled but if you cant get organised you cant stop us and we are coming boy :t
As far as Masher is concerned I think he makes it up as he goes along, probably missed his afternoon nap :D
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Point of views... to me, you're clearly losing.
Page 10
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Squirrel, you are making inferences that indicate that "Karaya has hostility towards the same posts you reference". Thos people you are trying to defend KNOW that I am not being personal. PM VansCrew yourself and ask him. Otherwise, lay down the shovel because it's full of....
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Originally posted by Yarbles As far as Masher is concerned I think he makes it up as he goes along, probably missed his afternoon nap :D [/B]
Sorry I haven't had 67 kills in 600+ sorties since I started. I speak in the realm of FACTS.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Page 10
What does that mean? :confused: Since when an argument is won basing on the number of pages on which it is written??? Maybe you were referring to something else than winning.....
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Sorry I haven't had 67 kills in 600+ sorties since I started. I speak in the realm of FACTS.
:o :o :o :o :o
I am glad you havent got my address you would be going through my garbage by now.
Anyway as always you're point is.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
As always priceless, but the intention was to examine the lack of organisation/ co ordination in my own country and why we dont win the map as often as the the others do. In the process I was also interestred in finding out if there are some characteristics that typify each country pehaps creating a healthy sense of Xenophobia and team spirit especially in what I percieved to be my own countries dissorganised rabble. I have endeavoured to ferment some controversy but also some sense of identity in the different countries to give more meaning.
I think its all good though
;)
I wish I could see the Rooks and Bish organising some decent missions like we do over at knights. Maybe one or wo of you should get in touch with our C/O I am sure he would help you guys out if you ask nicely
:D
The answer was in here Gianlupo sand in short form "Page 10". Its wheels within wheels.
Individual skill and doing what is or isnt easiest is not the point its up there
;)
I cant remember everthing you said but I cant remember taking issue with anything in particular.
Actually tell me what I am losing because I may be missing the point here from youre perspective?
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Originally posted by Yarbles
:o :o :o :o :o
I am glad you havent got my address you would be going through my garbage by now.
Anyway as always you're point is.
Yer the paranoid one. Most types like yourself that have nothing to offer, often are.
Actually what's your point of getting with your C/O? I'm curious, humor me. Noone in your squad sticks out, unless they're a shades. Which I'm sure there are a couple. You guy seem to have a good mix of spawncampers, bombers, and toolshedders.
You'll learm from searching "LCA" threads. They started out doing the same thing, and "saw the light" and now are a "productive squad".
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Yer the paranoid one. Most types like yourself that have nothing to offer, often are.
You make allot of assumptions about people, but I cant believe you think I have nothing to offer you ve been on here for a couple of days now and this one is mine. Dont tell me you have nt been enjoying your self a little bit even if you think its been at my expense ;)
I wish you well:D
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Originally posted by Yarbles
You make allot of assumptions about people, but I cant believe you think I have nothing to offer you ve been on here for a couple of days now and this one is mine. Dont tell me you have nt been enjoying your self a little bit even if you think its been at my expense ;)
I wish you well:D
LOL, I get it. "Somehow Karaya gets a rise out of this." WRONG! More like "Why must folks try and ruin the fight for other's?"
I don't make assumptions, you proved it by not putting your location available. The mentally weak do this out of paranoia. I on the other hand, have nothing to hide.
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you've grown quite a "set" in the six months you've been here, of course with the backing of your horde/squad you have the illusion of being strong, much like in the game.
As for "winning in this thread LOL!!! the BOPS, on a bad night, would would make you and any horde you could "organise" look like a bunch of puppies crushed by wolf packs.
Want a challange? Point your squad at he biggest dar bar and capture the three bases there in quick succesion.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Which is why you pick and vultch in a Tempest? Get off of your Shetland Pony.
I hadn't checked this thread in a while. Picked this up reading Squirrels post.
What is it you have against me? Every thread it's something.
I vulched YOU one time in a Temp off the re-arm pad. Ever since then (well, and probably before) you've been nothing but a jerk. I guess when you see an enemy plane coming in you should either get moving or end your sotrie. Get over it. It's a game.
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Re-edited; And this coming from someone who flys La-7's, Spixteens, Hurri IIC's and N1K's almost exclusively. Get off your sheep.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
you've grown quite a "set" in the six months you've been here,
Have you seen Clockwork Orange?
Want a challange? Point your squad at he biggest dar bar and capture the three bases there in quick succesion.
Thats the spirit:aok
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
LOL, I get it. "Somehow Karaya gets a rise out of this." WRONG! More like "Why must folks try and ruin the fight for other's?"
I don't make assumptions, you proved it by not putting your location available. The mentally weak do this out of paranoia. I on the other hand, have nothing to hide.
What is this location stuff? What do you want to know?
and What is it with you anyway?
When's your Birthday? I think we should all get you a nice present and cheer you up a bit:D
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I smell a challenge. Buffs vs fighters. Its on! :t
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Masherbrum, it doesn't matter if you mean malice in your comments or not. You routinely degrade people in your posts whether you know it or not.
But you do it so routinely, I have come to understand that it is your nature and expect it from you. You don't see the cup half full OR half empty. You see the cup as a waste of time and pour the contents down the drain and throw the cup in the trash. :rofl
Anyhow, time to get back on topic.
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Toolshedders huh? I also guarantee you, no one in my squad has a shade. I dont think were all as boistrious as yarbles here. BUT hey its his point of view, just as you all have one.
K,
And if you care Ill make arrangements for Sat for 3 base capture, into the horde we will go.
BTW I have the film 5 B24 for a 2 base drop, 3 B17 for town, pretty standard. It really wasnt that much of this so called horde, it actually was a nice mission, not the best but it actually went extremely smooth.
Either way this thread is getting a bit on the not-so-constructive side.
By that
play nice in the sandbox, before some cat comes and burries ya
cheers
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Masherbrum, it doesn't matter if you mean malice in your comments or not. You routinely degrade people in your posts whether you know it or not.
But you do it so routinely, I have come to understand that it is your nature and expect it from you. You don't see the cup half full OR half empty. You see the cup as a waste of time and pour the contents down the drain and throw the cup in the trash. :rofl
Anyhow, time to get back on topic.
LTARsqrl <>
I think he will only responds well if he doesnt feel criticised, carefull I can sense A TIRADE COMING:furious
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To each his own. :aok
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Originally posted by 4deck
Toolshedders huh? I also guarantee you, no one in my squad has a shade. I dont think were all as boistrious as yarbles here. BUT hey its his point of view, just as you all have one.
K,
And if you care Ill make arrangements for Sat for 3 base capture, into the horde we will go.
Nice one chief:aok
I ll put the winder away now and light the inscence candle. I dont really think if we get going they will have any chance of stopping us but it will be fun watching them try:D
(oops)
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
What does that mean? :confused: Since when an argument is won basing on the number of pages on which it is written??? Maybe you were referring to something else than winning.....
Maybe he thinks hording pages will have the same result as hording airplanes.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
No one likes being told there wrong:o :D
Anyway why not develop some other skills and 5 of you up against the horde instead of 1 and destroy their mission Bof B style. I find it really hard to believe that your fun depends on whether or not others are learning. Facing the horde is just another challenge like building and directing the horde. The other night one 262 upped against about 25-30 of us the fact that they only managed to up one plane against 30 surely says more about their skills in communication and organisation than anything else. If they had got 5 or 10 up I think the mission may have failed.
If the horde pisses you off then do something about it i.e. defeat it. I think you would find most fighter pilots flew in squadrons for a reason but in reality the majority of AH seems to be inidividual actions and you also have the duelling arena. :D
I love when you guys up 30 bombers.. lol I have almost 50 kills this month in the 262 thanks to Bish bomber missions. :aok
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Originally posted by Shifty
Maybe he thinks hording pages will have the same result as hording airplanes.
:lol priceless, Shifty!
Yarbles, now it's clear what you meant. But you should consider that not everyone on BBS use the default 20 post per page visualization... I have 50 posts per page, so I couldn't get it ;)
As for the winning and losing, you said "I am taking on at least 3 of you at once in this arena and clearly winning" and I thought you were referring to the argument with me, Hoarach and Karaya about hordes, skills and pilots.. and I think you're losing on that. :)
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Originally posted by 4deck
Either way this thread is getting a bit on the not-so-constructive side.
By that
play nice in the sandbox, before some cat comes and burries ya
cheers
1.) I'm not worried about this squad, believe me. "play nice"? Sounds like a "toolshedder threat to me". Whatcha gonna do, drop my cartoon ordnance?
2.) The thread was "non-constructive" from the initial post. These "My country does this, this and this. While that country does this, this and that." rants are as old as Methuselah.
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Lets see how you get on when we come to get you on the MA.
:D
Oh and more later :eek:
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
1.)
2.) The thread was "non-constructive" from the initial post. These "My country does this, this and this. While that country does this, this and that." rants are as old as Methuselah.
I am sure there is an echo in here.
Later:aok
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Lets see how you get on when we come to get you on the MA.
:D
Oh and more later :eek:
Believe me, there isn't one guy in this game that will "intimidate me". Especially with the paltry milkrunning scores as yourselves. Also, if you do wish to get better, ask me sometime to go to the DA. I'll be happy to show your potential.
Only one with issues in this thread are yourselves.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
Lets see how you get on when we come to get you on the MA.
That pretty much sums it up.
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Yarbles:
I have been on AH for around 6 months now and have always been a Knight.
Crockett:
I love when you guys up 30 bombers.. lol I have almost 50 kills this month in the 262 thanks to Bish bomber missions.
Crockett, are you mixing the two sides up? Or did you actually mean Bishops.
LTARsqrl <>
P.S. Crockett, what is your game name? Just curious.
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
Yarbles:
Crockett:
Crockett, are you mixing the two sides up? Or did you actually mean Bishops.
LTARsqrl <>
P.S. Crockett, what is your game name? Just curious.
Oh maybe.. I thought he was a Bishop when he said 30 bombers. :lol
strafing is my in game name.. (I never vulch I just strafe my targets at a higher altitude)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Believe me, there isn't one guy in this game that will "intimidate me". Especially with the paltry milkrunning scores as yourselves. Also, if you do wish to get better, ask me sometime to go to the DA. I'll be happy to show your potential.
Only one with issues in this thread are yourselves.
I jast hope Yarbles can edgumakate me and learn me how to protect teh 30 buffs and run a smothe missionz when no one ups to deffender the base. I needz some stratigery lesons.
PS. I hope you guys took the base :rofl
I m usually the lala that killed your goon :lol
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Believe me, there isn't one guy in this game that will "intimidate me". Especially with the paltry milkrunning scores as yourselves. Also, if you do wish to get better, ask me sometime to go to the DA. I'll be happy to show your potential.
Only one with issues in this thread are yourselves.
Can I bring the whole Squad:p
Only joking, sounds like a great Idea as long you dont tell em on here how crap I was :D
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Originally posted by Yarbles
...as long you dont tell em on here how crap I was :D
WAIT!!!! :eek: That was the purpose of the whole set up! Dangit, Karaya, he didn't bite the hook... :D
(Just joking, go with him in DA, you're taking the right path! ;) ).[/color]
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Me: hey knits need help at P4 base flashing
Knits: silence
Me: knits, they deacking P4.... P4 will reset map
Knits: silence
Me: hey knits HUGE mission ib P4, reset coming.
Knits: we vulching A1 come join us
Me Squad channel: please do fighter sweep mission at P4
Squad channel: we settin up fighter sweep at A1, come join us.
Me: KNITS, MASS mission ib P4
Knits: STFU
Squad channel:You coming on mission?
System: War has been won by Rooks
Knits: WTF HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, THIS IS BULL****
Knits: OMG Why didnt anyone tell us.
Knits: this sucks im landing 9 vulches from A1
Squad channel: huh wtf?
Knits: Why have we lost war? we still have bases?
Knits: Why do we always loose?
Me: :rolleyes:
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:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Anyone
Me: hey knits need help at P4 base flashing
Knits: silence
Me: knits, they deacking P4.... P4 will reset map
Knits: silence
Me: hey knits HUGE mission ib P4, reset coming.
Knits: we vulching A1 come join us
Me Squad channel: please do fighter sweep mission at P4
Squad channel: we settin up fighter sweep at A1, come join us.
Me: KNITS, MASS mission ib P4
Knits: STFU
Squad channel:You coming on mission?
System: War has been won by Rooks
Knits: WTF HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, THIS IS BULL****
Knits: OMG Why didnt anyone tell us.
Knits: this sucks im landing 9 vulches from A1
Squad channel: huh wtf?
Knits: Why have we lost war? we still have bases?
Knits: Why do we always loose?
Me: :rolleyes:
This really has to change though it seems as if we will get accused of hording. I still think we should fight as a country.
Whats your on line name you are probably on the same time as me?
and PS I ve put some more info for Masherbrum.
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Originally posted by Yarbles
This really has to change though it seems as if we will get accused of hording. I still think we should fight as a country.
Whats your on line name you are probably on the same time as me?
and PS I ve put some more info for Masherbrum.
i dont blame the horders or milkrunners, i blame the defenders for not defending.
if you can make attack missions, why not make defence missions?
if a country can work together (rooks) why call them gangers? Just because rooks are slightly more organised than the other 2 countries does that make them gangers? no, they are just working as a team.
apparently this isnt a team game, so why 3 teams? why not FFA quake instead?
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Originally posted by Anyone
i dont blame the horders or milkrunners, i blame the defenders for not defending.
if you can make attack missions, why not make defence missions?
Originally posted by Gianlupo
... but that's how things go in the game, right now, people fly in the Horde and it is a well known principle of the war that the Hordes avoid each other.....
Don't you know, anyone? In this game the only thing to do is attacking... defense is useless.... the faster horde wins!
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Don't you know, anyone? In this game the only thing to do is attacking... defense is useless.... the faster horde wins!
its that exact attitude that means no one EVER trys, they just complain about it instead
a fighter sweep of 10 players would have ended that mission almost instantly... but instead the fighter guys was aiming to vulch A1 instead.
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Originally posted by Anyone
i dont blame the horders or milkrunners, i blame the defenders for not defending.
if you can make attack missions, why not make defence missions?
if a country can work together (rooks) why call them gangers? Just because rooks are slightly more organised than the other 2 countries does that make them gangers? no, they are just working as a team.
apparently this isnt a team game, so why 3 teams? why not FFA quake instead?
It seems like a very good point but I think the in country channel which I assume your using is often weighed dwn with allot of personal drivel so your post only stays up for a micro second while we then get how kewl some kids new X BOX game is. If you have something important to say I would type it again and again in Bold I wold nt be concerned about pissing people off. ;)
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Originally posted by Anyone
its that exact attitude that means no one EVER trys, they just complain about it instead
a fighter sweep of 10 players would have ended that mission almost instantly... but instead the fighter guys was aiming to vulch A1 instead.
Well, actually it's not that bad... you just have to learn how to ask for help... give them what they want... you should have said "good furball going on at P4, lots of targets!"
I can assure you you'd have had your 10 players within minutes! ;)
Originally posted by Yarbles
If you have something important to say I would type it again and again in Bold I wold nt be concerned about pissing people off
That's the right way NOT to get any help... I (and many others) won't ever listen to such an annoying request.
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Well, actually it's not that bad... you just have to learn how to ask for help... give them what they want... you should have said "good furball going on at P4, lots of targets!"
I can assure you you'd have had your 10 players within minutes! ;)
furballers only want to furball where theres a big green dar bar, not a big red one
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
That's the right way NOT to get any help... I (and many others) won't ever listen to such an annoying request.
I am surprised you feel like that. My point was allot of people dont see the message because the Channel becomes uninteresting because its overwhelmed with highly personal stuff.
Shall I repeat this again and see if you understand it the 3rd or 4th or 5th time:D
Personally if I saw it and I could I would try and go and help out but usually mentally tune off the in country chanell for the above reason ;)
Anyway let me know and Ill send it again? no trouble
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Originally posted by Anyone
furballers only want to furball where theres a big green dar bar, not a big red one
:rofl ... nice try ... bait way too stinky.
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Originally posted by Anyone
Knits: Why have we lost war? we still have bases?
Knits: Why do we always loose?
Me: :rolleyes:
Toad: Why would anyone care? The war starts over immediately. The same war, same planes, same opportunities, pretty much all the same players. The game goes on; it's like losing a hand at poker when you are playing for matchsticks. No loss. The FIGHT is the thing.
Unless you believe that stuff about the free Hawaiian vacation........:rolleyes:
Fixed.
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"Toad: Why would anyone care? The war starts over immediately. The same war, same planes, same opportunities, pretty much all the same players. The game goes on; it's like losing a hand at poker when you are playing for matchsticks. No loss. The FIGHT is the thing".
If you really dont care then the whole thing has no meaning. The more you care the more exciting the game becomes. No one plays to loose they play to win because they enjoy it more. They enjoy it more because they winning is more fun than losing.
Some players clearly and quite rightly play for score like Tennis or Golf others want to play as a team and win as a team.
Its the winning as a team we would like to experience a bit more in Knights
:D
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I win or lose every 10 mins or so ! No need to wait till a map is reset. Up the aircraft of your choice, fly it to intercept enemys, and fight with it. If you win, find another enemy, if you loose, up a new aircraft.
The dynamics of each fight is new and refeshing, an endless supply of fun and challanges!!
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Originally posted by Yarbles
"Toad: Why would anyone care? The war starts over immediately. The same war, same planes, same opportunities, pretty much all the same players. The game goes on; it's like losing a hand at poker when you are playing for matchsticks. No loss. The FIGHT is the thing".
If you really dont care then the whole thing has no meaning. The more you care the more exciting the game becomes. No one plays to loose they play to win because they enjoy it more. They enjoy it more because they winning is more fun than losing.
Some players clearly and quite rightly play for score like Tennis or Golf others want to play as a team and win as a team.
And some play to win the next fight. A good match-up can be pretty exciting.
No right or wrong here in either sides statements. I play for each of the above reasons at different times.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
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The dynamics of each fight is new and refeshing, an endless supply of fun and challanges!!
I ve got a goldfish you might like to meet:D
No sorry couldn't resist what I said before and the other one "no ones right here and each person can enjoy it in there own way and each team has good and bad and we are all the same and blah blah, platitude, platitude.................... ............................. ............................. ............................. ............................. .................. :cry
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Originally posted by Anyone
Me: hey knits need help at P4 base flashing
Knits: silence
Me: knits, they deacking P4.... P4 will reset map
Knits: silence
Me: hey knits HUGE mission ib P4, reset coming.
Knits: we vulching A1 come join us
Me Squad channel: please do fighter sweep mission at P4
Squad channel: we settin up fighter sweep at A1, come join us.
Me: KNITS, MASS mission ib P4
Knits: STFU
Squad channel:You coming on mission?
System: War has been won by Rooks
Knits: WTF HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, THIS IS BULL****
Knits: OMG Why didnt anyone tell us.
Knits: this sucks im landing 9 vulches from A1
Squad channel: huh wtf?
Knits: Why have we lost war? we still have bases?
Knits: Why do we always loose?
Me: :rolleyes:
Its sounds like them nits dont like Anyone :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Anyone
furballers only want to furball where theres a big green dar bar, not a big red one
:lol You don't really know what you're talking about! And that's pretty weird, considering the people you have in your squad.... Bat, please, take him in some fighter sweep! I guess Slapshot's right... stinky bait!
Yarbles, again, I think you're not correct: people look at the channel, always, no matter what the discussion is about... if they don't, it's because their fighting... but I can assure you that people will ignore repeated, annoying, all bold messages....
Dedalos ---> :rofl
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Originally posted by Gianlupo
:Yarbles, again, I think you're not correct: people look at the channel, always, no matter what the discussion is about... if they don't, it's because their fighting... but I can assure you that people will ignore repeated, annoying, all bold messages....
Dedalos ---> :rofl
Its not my experience but I agree with you about the Mossie :aok
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Good! We found a common point! :D
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Originally posted by Anyone
i dont blame the horders or milkrunners, i blame the defenders for not defending.
if you can make attack missions, why not make defence missions?
if a country can work together (rooks) why call them gangers? Just because rooks are slightly more organised than the other 2 countries does that make them gangers? no, they are just working as a team.
apparently this isnt a team game, so why 3 teams? why not FFA quake instead?
With Rooks base defense is a hit or a miss. Sometimes I'll see an "Alert P4" or what ever base go up and next thing you know 20 guys are defending that base. Then on the flip side you can see an alert go up and only 2 or 3 guys will up to defend.
I think it all comes down to momentum in this game. At least that's what I see with Rooks and even Bish. Seems if your team is on a roll it's easy to get guys to join missions and defend bases.
On the flip side if your team is getting rolled, then it's much harder to get help at base defense and to attack bases.
Knights just don't seem to be into land grabbing, except for when the sun and the moon and Pluto all line up. If you are into capturing bases and defending them, IMO the best bet is to fly Rook or Bish.
Knights IMO just don't seem to care, except for once in a great while they will go on a roll and get the momentum going. Honestly though I can't remember the last time I saw the message that the war has been won by the Knights.
Not bashing on the Nits.. just stating what I see.
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Where do the guys who switch to the side with lowest numbers fit in?
I guess we're probably like the Knights, mostly. Just showed up for the fight, the tears and the beers.
:)
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Originally posted by Yarbles
snip... The more you care the more exciting the game becomes.
Some players clearly and quite rightly play for score like Tennis or Golf others want to play as a team and win as a team.
2 things here....
Wrong about the top...and Dont play golf.
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Originally posted by Anyone
Me: hey knits need help at P4 base flashing
Knits: silence
Me: knits, they deacking P4.... P4 will reset map
Knits: silence
Me: hey knits HUGE mission ib P4, reset coming.
Knits: we vulching A1 come join us
Me Squad channel: please do fighter sweep mission at P4
Squad channel: we settin up fighter sweep at A1, come join us.
Me: KNITS, MASS mission ib P4
Knits: STFU
Squad channel:You coming on mission?
System: War has been won by Rooks
Knits: WTF HOW DID THAT HAPPEN, THIS IS BULL****
Knits: OMG Why didnt anyone tell us.
Knits: this sucks im landing 9 vulches from A1
Squad channel: huh wtf?
Knits: Why have we lost war? we still have bases?
Knits: Why do we always loose?
Me: :rolleyes:
DUDE YOU ARE EXCATLY RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!:O
Ive had this happen before on the Uterus map.