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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Citabria on June 06, 2007, 12:34:48 AM
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im tinkering with the thought of doing a 109k4 in a grey/green upper surface or grey/grey upper surface finish anyone have some good color profiles with markings etc?
also i need info on what an accurate late war 109k4 wing camo scheme would be.
if anyone has standard 109 camo scheme info that would be great too.
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There are some good K4 profiles in "Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile" by Sundin and Bergstrom.
I can get the scanner going.
I'm sure Bruno can give more detail on LW stuff though. Not sure on the upper camo.
If you want some different, and great 109G-6 profiles there are some unique ones in the book on JG300 "Wilde Sau"
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Try this one.
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Identified as JG27, 109K4.
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Seems the majority of K-4s were brown/green rather than grey/green.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Seems the majority of K-4s were brown/green rather than grey/green.
Oh Krusty, why didn't you let me finish..
Bf109 K-4
III/JG53 Leutnant Ernst Bernhard Gruppenadjutant.
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Bf109 K-4 "Yellow 10" of Leutnant Heinrich Hackler Staffelkapitan 11/JG77
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CC, I figured there were a couple. I'd just noticed the same thing in decal sheets as well. Little variety.
P.S. My vote is for Yellow 10!!! Oooh! Oooh! Do that one! It's different enough from all the other K-4s that it attracts my attentions
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if you guys have any 109g10 profiles i am interested in those too since the g10 is a k4 performancewise
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I have scads of G10 profiles, but will they allow them on the K4?
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yeah g10 is a k4 they just changed name g10 to k4 so idiots would stop asking for a k4.
also k4 dont have 20mm nose gun or pods it seems.
but the rule is if its a variant that will not be added and the g10 will definitely not. the variant skin should be used on the closest variant of its kind... g10 k4 same difference same engine different name kinda like spit 16/spit9LF
so yeah pls post g10 schemes
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Try here, (http://users.hol.gr/~nowi/luftprof/index-y72.html)
As with anyone I am happy to help you and look through what info I have, but you got to give me some parameters on what you are looking for, there are alot of K4 and G10 possibilities out there.
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They will let a G10 skin on the K4. My ROE K4 skin is a G10 scheme.
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somthing like these...
Me 109K-4 of Uffz. Martin Deskau 11./JG 3 , Pasewalk 1945
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg3/bf109k411jg3deskau-1_1.jpg)
Me 109G-10 of 2./JG 4 , Germany 1945
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg4/me109g102jg4-1_1.jpg)
Me 109G-10 of Hptm. Franz Wienhusen IV./JG 4 , Germany 1944
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg4/bf109g10ivjg4wienhusen-1_1.jpg)
Me 109G-10 of 14./JG 5 , Norway 1945
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg5/me109g1014jg5-1_1.jpg)
Me 109K-4 of 1./JG 77 , Germany 1945
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg77/me109k41jg77-1_1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Citabria
somthing like these...
Me 109G-10 of Hptm. Franz Wienhusen IV./JG 4 , Germany 1944
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg4/bf109g10ivjg4wienhusen-1_1.jpg)
Me 109K-4 of 1./JG 77 , Germany 1945
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg77/me109k41jg77-1_1.jpg)
Personally, I like these two the best.
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the colors I want to use for these are similar to the 109g14 colors. unfortunately i am a complete ignoramous on accurate german aircraft colors :(
would this be accurate for either of these two skins serenity?
seems like its not far off from the 109k4 of I JG77
(http://users.hol.gr/%7Enowi/luftprof/jg77/me109k41jg77-1_1.jpg)
heres a color test using default skin. this is all airmess work! i only changed the color. will scratchbuild my skin but wanted to show this one to get color opinions.
personally i prefer these colors on my 109 now to find a profile similar with historic markings to match haha :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1134_1181191668_109k4colortest1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1134_1181191770_109k4colortest2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1134_1181191967_109k4colortest3.jpg)
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Looks a bit too faded and muted. The colors run into each other. Needs just a bit more contrast between the two. Can't tell about the shade itself, as the colors are off on my monitor here at work. Wish I'd checked at home before leaving.
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I know little about 109's. What was the bulge in the wing on the K series for please?
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Larger wheels in the G series. The wing wasn't thick enough to keep it. On some Gs you'll see the crescent-shaped bump on top of the wing. That's because when retracted the gear is angled, and only half of it is "too tall" for the wheel well. The thing with the K-4 (and G-10?) was speed and performance, so they made the MG bulges aerodynamic, and the same for the wheel well bumps. They made them longer and smoother.
There might be more behind it than that, but essentially, for speed.
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109's are dark, dull, worn and bleak killing machines. I like the effect Fester.
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Considering that G10s and K4s only served 6 months tops, were fresh new airframes at the beginning of that 6 months, and were at times grounded due to lack of pilots or fuel or any other number of supplies, I don't think they'd be as worn as a weary Emil, or an eastern front F4.
They died young, so to speak.
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Originally posted by Citabria
im tinkering with the thought of doing a 109k4 in a grey/green upper surface
also i need info on what an accurate late war 109k4 wing camo scheme would be.
Citabria, this aircraft seems to fit your description:
JG 52
W.Nr 332529, May 1945
The colours are:
RLM 75
RLM 76
RLM 81
RLM 83
Here are the markings I have for it:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/JG52markings.jpg)
And here is an approximation of how it should look:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/k4model1.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/k4model3.jpg)
I believe that we have a simmilar aircraft already in the game, but as far as I can tell, this is accurate colour and marking information.
Given your skinning abilities (as shown in the image you posted earlier), this would be a great addition to the game
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Originally posted by Citabria
the colors I want to use for these are similar to the 109g14 colors. unfortunately i am a complete ignoramous on accurate german aircraft colors :(
would this be accurate for either of these two skins serenity?
seems like its not far off from the 109k4 of I JG77
heres a color test using default skin. this is all airmess work! i only changed the color. will scratchbuild my skin but wanted to show this one to get color opinions.
personally i prefer these colors on my 109 now to find a profile similar with historic markings to match haha :D
Im no expert, but I think its a bit dark... The grey should be a bit whiter, and the green a tad brighter. Like was said above, that doesnt look too wrong as far as colors, its just too worn and old to be a K-4. GREAT start though. I can never get colors that close, no matter how hard I try.
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For RLM color references try the following.
Simmers paintshop. here (http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/index.php?page=RGB-colors-Germany)
IPMSStockholm article on Luftwaffe colors. here (http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000/02/stuff_eng_profile_bf109.htm)
and my personal favorite. here (http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_germany.htm)
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Is this a K-4?
I'm not very good at identifying the variants.
(http://www.pm.waw.pl/~rafal/zdjecia/hendon/obrazki/Bf109.jpg)
(http://www.pm.waw.pl/~rafal/zdjecia/hendon/obrazki/bf109_z1.jpg)
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No, that is, I beleive, an Emil.
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Here's a G-10 with similar camo..
(http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/Me109/Fotos-109-G10/Bilder/Bf109-G10-007_jpg.jpg)
(http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/Me109/Fotos-109-G10/Bilder/Bf109-G10-010_jpg.jpg)
http://www.jagdgeschwader4.de/Flugzeuge/Me109/
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Originally posted by MotleyCH
Is this a K-4?
I'm not very good at identifying the variants.
(http://www.pm.waw.pl/~rafal/zdjecia/hendon/obrazki/Bf109.jpg)
(http://www.pm.waw.pl/~rafal/zdjecia/hendon/obrazki/bf109_z1.jpg)
109E4 at the B of B exhibit at the RAF Museum
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Originally posted by Guppy35
109E4 at the B of B exhibit at the RAF Museum
Holy ****!!! I always thought you were psychic but this just proves it...
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Ok thanks Dan and Serenity.