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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on June 06, 2007, 08:44:53 PM
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link (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?)
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6.29.07
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aaaa the iPhone a very cool phone/music player/email/blender/toaster oven/OMG it does everything lol:aok they do look spify
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meh. makes about as much sense as building house-hold robots that look like humans.
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Yet another toy for those with too much money....
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Yawn
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Yawn? The iPhone is the gateway to the next generation of personal electronics.
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<---- wants one yes please.
:)
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Originally posted by vorticon
meh. makes about as much sense as building house-hold robots that look like humans.
I wouldnt mind having one of these robots around the house :D
(http://www.myblog.fr/images/articles/img_8406_65322_1.jpg)
(She is a persocon), Computer in a humans body
I am beyond hope BTW
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animated robots in my house freaks me out
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM
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It looks way to big to fit in my pocket. I will wait till it is smaller please. :D
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Originally posted by rpm
link (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?)
(http://media.philly.com/images/300*442/8df217bb-3d41-423e-8db2-4904bd771410.jpg)
6.29.07
Why would anyone want a 6 foot cell phone?
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Originally posted by Tango
Why would anyone want a 6 foot cell phone?
Apple decided to do some spinn-off on the Nintendo Wee. This is the new I-phone that the whole family can have fun with.
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Originally posted by rpm
link (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp?)
(http://media.philly.com/images/300*442/8df217bb-3d41-423e-8db2-4904bd771410.jpg)
6.29.07
Looks like a giant vending machine by the way.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
animated robots in my house freaks me out
Ever seen I Robot?
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I picture lump-o-meat sitting on his 'puter seaching the mail order bride sites...
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Im confused...whats the topic here..the picture on the wall or the android in front of it? Does it mow lawns?
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The iPhone has plusses and minuses. I'm really interested in the browser, which looks like it knocks the socks off anything else on a phone (and yes, I've used Windows Mobile) right now.
Also, the UI seems intuitive, and features like Visual Voicemail are fantastic.
The big question for me is: How much will the monthly service cost?
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Originally posted by VWE
I picture lump-o-meat sitting on his 'puter seaching the mail order bride sites...
Close, I sit at the computer looking up anime brides :)
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I've used several touch-screen devices, first one being Psion 5 in the 90s. I have serious doubts how you can operate that thing with one hand... Which is one of the main use cases of a mobile phone for me.
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Oh great, more text messages from a PHONE! :lol
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM
lol i hope that the iPhone goes down in history not for what it does but for what it doesnt do.....OMG ther is nothing the iPhone cant doo :)
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My 3 year old treo does all that (cept the visual voicemail).
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Originally posted by rpm
Yawn? The iPhone is the gateway to the next generation of personal electronics.
blackberry. IPaq.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yawn? The iPhone is the gateway to the next generation of personal electronics.
What good is the next generation when I don't really want the first generation?
I'm looking to purchase a boat for a little more then that.
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The treo's and other PDA's dont have the interchangable touchscreen interface. You want to use the phone, the phone interface is on the touchscreen. You want to text, a full keyboard appears on the touchscreen. You want to watch video, full color screen....ect.
It's the interchangable interfaces that excites me. The possibilities are unlimited. In 5 years all phones will use this basic design. The iPhone will do to cellphones what the iPod did to the Walkman.
This is probably the incubus to the Tricorder.
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Tricorder? Yawn...
When they get to the blueprints for the first primitive 'big as a building' Holo-Deck, gimme a shout.
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Baby steps Diablo...
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I said yawn as I am not really impressed that much by this. I view it as a nice toy but nothing I'm going to shell out $500.00 for. If I want to spend that much I'll spend it on a computer upgrade rather than a phone.
I've got a phone, it will take and send pix, do texting, play games and download some videos. It does all that but that was not why I bought it. It had the best range and battery life of the low cost choices I had when we renewed the contract. I don't text, video, send pix or play games on it. I bought it for a phone and that's what I use it for. The other fluff is a fad AFAIC. I can do all the other stuff the phone does, other than take pictures, with my computer in a better fashion. I don't need the other frills and don't get excited just because someone adds a new toy to a phone. Sorry.
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So what is an iphone anyhow. My kid wants one. I guess I'll consider it.
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Oh dear god...$500 for a phone that has a lot of bells and whistles? Don't think so.
That money could get me a new PC rig or a long way to a new one.
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Yeah, I think that's too much also. What's the thing that you download & listen to music on?
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iPod
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My 5 year old Nokia phone got trashed by the race car Memorial Day weekend. I was heart broken. All I ever needed or wanted in a cell phone, it stored contacts, it had 2.2 hours of talk time, and it would send and receive when no other phone would get close. Damn bunch of crap on a phone, all I need is a phone. I bought an old Nokia 6015 to get me by while I have my old 3089 repaired for $45 and put it back in service. As long as it works with the networks, I'll keep it and laugh at everyone else who can't keep a battery up and can't get connected.
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Originally posted by rpm
The treo's and other PDA's dont have the interchangable touchscreen interface. You want to use the phone, the phone interface is on the touchscreen. You want to text, a full keyboard appears on the touchscreen. You want to watch video, full color screen....ect.
It's the interchangable interfaces that excites me. The possibilities are unlimited. In 5 years all phones will use this basic design. The iPhone will do to cellphones what the iPod did to the Walkman.
This is probably the incubus to the Tricorder.
interchangable touchscreen interface? nothing new, exciting, or even remotly interesting in that.
and you have to look at the screen if you want to do anything...
meh.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
iPod
thank you. You can tell I'm an old lady when I don't know what an ipod is. I'm soooo not with the times.:D
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Originally posted by rpm
The treo's and other PDA's dont have the interchangable touchscreen interface. You want to use the phone, the phone interface is on the touchscreen. You want to text, a full keyboard appears on the touchscreen. You want to watch video, full color screen....ect.
Err duh. The Treo's and Palm's have done that for years. Treo ditched the onscreen keyboard on the 2nd gen devices (7 years ago'ish), onscreen keyboards suck. The PDA's still retain it but most consider that a dead/obselete line.
Hey apple fans, welcome to the 21st century. I've been getting push email, fullscreen video, MP3 playback, games, word doc's, excel doc's, databases, telnet clients, can mount my phone as USB storage, pocket voice record, camera, google maps, bluetooth (with A2DP Wireless stereo headphones), web browsing, etc.... not to mention the phone/contacts/calender/notes functionality.
Heck, I've even got iPhony, an iPhone skin that pisses off the rabid mac fans.
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I'm not a rabid mac fan. Heck, I don't think I've ever owned anything made by Apple. But I saw what the iPod did to personal music and the iPhone looks to be the same for person communication. I dunno, time will tell... but iStillwantone.
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Originally posted by rpm
I'm not a rabid mac fan. Heck, I don't think I've ever owned anything made by Apple. But I saw what the iPod did to personal music and the iPhone looks to be the same for person communication. I dunno, time will tell... but iStillwantone.
I doubt it will do the same, the iphone is missing some significant features 'popular' in the smartphone market.
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Whoopsie iphone is starting to smell like itur....
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=322382
After choosing the E-mail option, I was presented with a blank message, not including his e-mail address or any of what I'd typed before. Of course he's not in my Address Book, so I had to go back to the Mail section, write his e-mail address on my hand (since you can't copy and paste??) with a PEN.... analog style (wtf!!), then type it in manually into that new message with a new subject. Is this a joke? How is that productive at all... shame on you Apple.
No cut'n'paste? Bwahahaahahahah welcome to 80's.
No A2DP bluetooth profile? Bwahahahhahahahaha....
No 3rd party apps except via AJAX web apps online via slow gprs connections? Bwahahahahahahahaha
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Originally posted by texasmom
thank you. You can tell I'm an old lady when I don't know what an ipod is. I'm soooo not with the times.:D
Dont worry, the Ipod's are junk anyway :)
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Dont worry, the Ipod's are junk anyway :)
Are they? Is there something that does the same thing with better quality?
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Originally posted by texasmom
Are they? Is there something that does the same thing with better quality?
My son has a Creative Zen Nano and it works perfectly...IF you have a computer with an Intel processor. If you use an AMD (at least in my experience) it will refuse to recognize the device if it is plugged into the USB connections on either the front, back or via powered USB hub. This was two years ago when he got it for Christmas and they may have worked that kink out since then but I haven't tried since we loaded the software on my laptop from work and he uses that for uploading his songs to the player.
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Originally posted by Reschke
My son has a Creative Zen Nano and it works perfectly...IF you have a computer with an Intel processor.
Thanks
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The iPods are just good, real good. There are other players that are better in different areas, but the iPod is a reliable, known factor, and easy to use, especially if you use iTunes.
For myself, I chose the Insignia ns-dv4g, a 4 gig flash player. I love it, great player and it has two headphone jacks. It was a great player, but going with a non-ipod, i could have just as easily ended up with a lemon, like I did on the player before that (A Kanguru 512 meg flash player that was slow and sucked). If you get a non-iPod, try it out in a store first to make sure it's good. The iPod is the only one I'd say you could safely buy and enjoy without ever seeing one. That's not saying it's the best, but it's definitely not the worst.
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My phone works great.... can't imagine that phone being any better.
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I have the RCA H100A MP3 player. I think its the 4GB version.
The Ipod's are too flashy and overpriced. I just wanted smething to play music, not put on a show while its doing so.
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Originally posted by Reschke
My son has a Creative Zen Nano and it works perfectly...IF you have a computer with an Intel processor. If you use an AMD (at least in my experience) it will refuse to recognize the device if it is plugged into the USB connections on either the front, back or via powered USB hub. This was two years ago when he got it for Christmas and they may have worked that kink out since then but I haven't tried since we loaded the software on my laptop from work and he uses that for uploading his songs to the player.
Check your drivers. I have a Creative Zen Nano and an AMD CPU.
Works fine.
Back on topic: I don't like integrated devices any more than I like integrated software. It usually sucks.
I have a cellphone.
I have an MP3 player.
I have a digital camera.
I have a GPS receiver.
Any of these can fail without detriment to the other three.
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Oh... and the iPhone is iOverpriced (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/02/teardown-reveals-iphone-parts-cost-two-bills/).
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Small problem with that, Sandman, is that the figure is for the parts alone and doesn't reflect any R&D, building the factory lines, warranty, software team, etc. A handful of iPhone parts does not an iPhone make.
This assumes, of course, that the profit margin of a company that sells this product needs to be defended, which in this country, is ridiculous. This isn't the cure for cancer, it's a phone, and you set a price that will make you a profit that the market will bear. The sale numbers of this last weekend seem to suggest that the 2nd was met, we'll just have to assume that the 1st was too.
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I dunno chairboy, the iphone didn't sell it out did it?
And the initial rush will probably account for most of the sales (75% maybe?).
Gonna be a lot of angry people if apple suddenly start dropping the price in a month or two.
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Why would they cut the price? And are you asserting that they will sell less than 660,000?
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Maybe, given the mad rush to 'get one now', the fact they didn't sell out, makes you wonder what sales are left for them in the following months.
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Two things:
iPhone sales passed 700,000 within a few days of the release, so, uh, sorry Vulcan.
Also, an insightful, no B/S review of the iPhone: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/no-bs-iphone-review-276116.php
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Small problem with that, Sandman, is that the figure is for the parts alone and doesn't reflect any R&D, building the factory lines, warranty, software team, etc. A handful of iPhone parts does not an iPhone make.
...a good point.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Two things:
iPhone sales passed 700,000 within a few days of the release, so, uh, sorry Vulcan.
Also, an insightful, no B/S review of the iPhone: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/no-bs-iphone-review-276116.php
Really? Where'd that figure come from, most of the stuff I've seen says 500000-550000. An theres no shortage of iphones available on ebay.
That link only confirms what I said, both of features... any the fact that rabid mac fans will willingly throw money at Steve Jobs alter despite the junk he pushes out.
Give it 3 months and see how happy iphone users are then.
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http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/2-0&fp=469286dae30a5bdf&ei=xMWSRovxIYKcrQOv4sTYCw&url=http%3A//www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-070703iphone%2C0%2C1798078.story%3Fcoll%3Dchi-business-hed&cid=0
Sold out in most stores a few days after release, silly person.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/8-0&fp=469286dae30a5bdf&ei=xMWSRovxIYKcrQOv4sTYCw&url=http%3A//www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/07/next_for_the_ip.html&cid=1118010220
700,000 in first week.
C'mon, Vulcan, straighten up and fly right!
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One blog and one estimate, "sold out in most stores".
Other estimates say 500000. Meanwhile there are surplus iphones on ibay not able sell for RRP.
Keep em coming chairboy :)
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Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
700,000:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id%2C134106-c%2Ciphone/article.html&cid=0
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19649884/site/newsweek/&cid=1117983086d
and plenty more: http://news.google.com/news?q=iphone+700000&btnG=Search&hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8
Sold out:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-070703iphone,0,1798078.story?coll=chi-business-hed
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7A4BDWusr2U&refer=news
and plenty more: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=iphone+sold+out&btnG=Search
C'mon, you're not even trying.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
700,000:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id%2C134106-c%2Ciphone/article.html&cid=0
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19649884/site/newsweek/&cid=1117983086d
and plenty more: http://news.google.com/news?q=iphone+700000&btnG=Search&hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8
Sold out:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-070703iphone,0,1798078.story?coll=chi-business-hed
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7A4BDWusr2U&refer=news
and plenty more: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=iphone+sold+out&btnG=Search
C'mon, you're not even trying.
First link didn't work... second link said:
"The iPhone itself is off to a ring-a-ding start, selling an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 units the first weekend. (Apple and exclusive carrier AT&T aren't announcing figures, but the latter did say it moved more iPhones that weekend than any previous cell phone sold in a month.) "
I stopped there because I don't think you're actually reading the stuff you link too.
You're turning into a rabid apple fan chairboy... :)
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Yeah, analysts like Goldman Sachs are way too flash in the pan to be trusted, heh.
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iPhone has a laundry list or problems... I played with this phone about 2 hours (my cousin bought one first day) In that time I learned:
You must be tethered to a wireless LAN to do the you tube stuff
You must subscribe to iTunes monthly for the phone to be active
You must ship the phone back to apple if the battery dies... User cannot replace it.
No wired headset jack
You cannot add memory to the phone
You cannot add your own personal mp3s to the phone... Itunes only
No instant messenger software
No VPN or corporate mail like most PDAs
Camera takes stills only, no video
No picture messaging... you can take pics but you cannot send them via MMS lol
No over the air music downloads, again tethered to iTunes
Google maps just gives you a map, no gps or gps via bluetooth support
Insurance not available for this phone
loudspeaker is mono only
no USB for downloading
no using the iFlop as an external HD
No editing or creating office files, just view them
Not even one game on the thing
600 to 700 dollars
You cannot save email attachments to view later
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Originally posted by Sandman
Check your drivers. I have a Creative Zen Nano and an AMD CPU.
Works fine.
Back on topic: I don't like integrated devices any more than I like integrated software. It usually sucks.
I have a cellphone.
I have an MP3 player.
I have a digital camera.
I have a GPS receiver.
Any of these can fail without detriment to the other three.
AMD here too and i use zen nano... zero probs here....
My HP iPaq 6515 has all of those wrapped into one device with 6GB storage
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And so it begins chairboy...
(from an iphone forum, thats hosted on the same server as a treo forum in case you're wondering):
Decided to return our iPhones today....
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...Well after using them for a week, I agree wholeheartedly that this device will change the mobile industry, but the lack of 3G as well as other current shortcomings of the iPhone just make it an easier for my gf and I to go back to our treo 750's. For one thing, call quality (over bluetooth as well) seems much more solid on the treo, as does signal strength. The lack of a 3G option was a real disappointment as well, as whenever we got anything less than 4-5 bars on the iPhone safari just seemed to stall while downloading a webpage.
PIM functions, while so incredibly cool looking and pretty, just aren't up to par with other smartphones right now. A prime example is that when you have an appointment in your iPhone calendar with a reminder, the reminder alerts you once with a tone that's not nearly loud enough, but never seems to remind you again. No repeating alerts, no snooze, no dismissing. Funny thing is that all these functions seem to be in the alarm clock, but not the calendar alerts....what happened here apple? Also, you should be able to pick your tones for things like emails, messaging, calendars, etc.
I also noticed that bluetooth on the iPhone was not nearly as strong as on the treo 750. With the 750, we could be on our headsets and have a wall between me and my phone with no static, with the iPhone, the other end hears a garbly voice while I would hear static. I'm also severely disappointed in the lack of an OBEX profile for bluetooth. I couldn't even transfer my vCard to a coworker the other day or receive one from him. Every other smartphone does this. Tethering is also not enabled, and I doubt it will ever be. What's the point of Bluetooth 2.0+EDR if it doesn't make use of it at all? A2DP should have been available as well.
I hate that I can't trust the signal bars on the iPhone. They're not a good representation of what signal you're actually getting. At one point I stood in one spot and the signal bars jumped from 5 to 2 to 5 to 1 then dropped the call.
I have no complaints about the keyboard, in fact I loved it. It's an even better keyboard to use than the treo keyboard after you've had a couple beers! I do wish it made an appearance in your contacts screen though, so you could search through them easily.
My last real big issue with the iPhone is really just the restricted feeling of it. You get an iphone and sure you can put your sim card in another phone and use data and sms, but everytime you call voicemail you'll get a silly text message, MMS will no longer be provisioned, and the whole point of SIM cards on GSM really seems to be lost. When you put your sim into any phone other than the iphone, it feels like all the features just aren't enabled because of this. Oh, and I don't like the fact that the iPhone won't give you the standard GSM network options that all other GSM phones seem to give you, like the ability to change how long to wait before the network forwards your call to voicemail. I had to use another phone to change these options when I should have been able to do it from my iPhone. The iPhone should just be another GSM phone, lock it if you want, but all this proprietary plan crap just stinks, both switching to it and then switching away from it. It's so much more trouble than it really needs to be.
Oh, I should also add....the antenna being on the bottom of the phone is a questionable design. I wouldn't know where else to put it, but many many people hold the phone there, and if you actually go to the field test screen of the iphone, you'll notice at least a 10dBm difference between when your hand is holding the phone at the bottom versus holding it at the top. I think this is the cause of some of the dropped calls I had, but even holding it at the top the RF didn't seem as strong as the 750, which held a call when the iPhone could not.
And apple should have released an update this week to increase the in call volume. The earpiece is not loud enough (for the phone being the killer app on this phone), and the speakerphone volume is quite simply laughable.
Also, Apple really needs to open up to 3rd parties. Imagine the kinds of applications you'd see on the iPhone when this happens. The iPhone will NEVER reach anywhere close to its full potential until any developer can write any application they want for it (just like the Palm). With the functionality (or lack thereof) of the iphone right now, I just can't justify $600+tax on it.
I will be back, though, for version 2 of the iPhone when they put in (hopefully) GPS and 3G.
If anyone wants one, gimme a PM. I'm in the SF Bay Area
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Yeah, analysts like Goldman Sachs are way too flash in the pan to be trusted, heh.
Final figure of 270,000.... whoops Goldman Sachs got burnnnnnnnnnnnnnned :)
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Yikes! Well, that is lower, but not a bad start. I guess we'll have to wait a little longer to see how it pans out in long term.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/23/technology/23iphone.html