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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dadano on June 09, 2007, 03:38:38 AM
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Ouch (http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin)
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Dano,
The dolphin harvest has been taking place for almost a 1000 years at that location in Japan. When I lived in Japan I ate whale. Very sweet tasting meat.
Even the most humane stock killing methods are shocking to witness unless you have grown up doing it or are a hunter. I think a similar dolphin or porpose harvest takes place at an island off the coast of scotland. It's been a tradition for the islanders for some hundreds of years.
To eat mammel meat, someone has to cut the animals throat and bleed it out. You only just now discovering it's a dirty cruel job??
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Anything that has sex for fun and can recognize itself in a mirror should be treated with a little more respect IMO. I've commercially fished and clubbed many a halibut and also witnessed cows getting it, but this just kinda struck a chord.
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Originally posted by Dadano
Anything that has sex for fun and can recognize itself in a mirror should be treated with a little more respect IMO. I've commercially fished and clubbed many a halibut and also witnessed cows getting it, but this just kinda struck a chord.
Yet some people would find killing cows barbaric, get over it. Different cultures have different ways of seeing things.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Yet some people would find killing cows barbaric, get over it. Different cultures have different ways of seeing things.
I disagree with it. You get over it.
:aok
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Where do you think expensive tuna comes from?
Flipper brand Tuna - so good you will squeak with enjoyment :D
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Where do you think expensive tuna comes from?
Flipper brand Tuna - so good you will squeak with enjoyment :D
:rofl
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Originally posted by Dadano
I disagree with it. You get over it.
:aok
Over what?
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The fact that I disagree with it.
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man that's messed up. seeing a dolphin wriggling in pain while it's blood flows down the street.
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I think Dadano has the essential point, and Vulcan is just being argumentative to try to make a point.
I personally think that there is a huge difference in intellectual capacity between cows bred for meat and dolphins, and that means killing and eating cows is NOT the same as killing and eating dolphins (or any other more intelligent critter). Plus, cows and most other food animals are managed and slaughtered in the most "humane" way possible while this method of harvesting dolphins doesn't seem to have any consideration for minimizing the suffering of the animal. The way they're taking those dolphins is unnecessarily painful and cruel l in my opinion, and the fact that dolphins are most likely more intelligent than dogs (which we consider to be too intelligent to eat for food) makes this sort of thing open to questions of morality.
If they MUST be eaten due to lack of a less intelligent source of food, then I think it ought to be done in a less torturous fashion. We are after all at the top of the food chain, and if a human NEEDS food then anything below us on the food chain is fair game. But even slaughtering hogs where they bleed them out alive is done in what seems to be about 1/100th the time with significantly less pain and suffering.
I think one other thing that bugs people about this is that they don't NEED those dolphins to survive. If they'd relax their trade restrictions on protein imports, they could get all the cheap beef and other meat they could possibly want. Some of the arguments in favor of dolphin hunting like this sound a whole lot like the arguments that justify killing endangered elephants for their ivory... It's all "we're humans so we're in charge, and you're a pansy for letting a little blood bother you". Harumph... Legit slaughtering to satisfy needs is just fine, but I think it ought to be done in as humane a fashion as possible. Putting intelligent animals into a panic for hours followed by slowly suffocating them over another few hours just doesn't seem right to me. We don't even do that to rapists and child molesters...
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[Futurama]
"Who wants dolphin?"
"But dolphins are intelligent!"
"Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets."
...
"Pass the blowhole."
[/Futurama]
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Originally posted by eagl
I think Dadano has the essential point, and Vulcan is just being argumentative to try to make a point.
I personally think that there is a huge difference in intellectual capacity between cows bred for meat and dolphins, and that means killing and eating cows is NOT the same as killing and eating dolphins (or any other more intelligent critter). Plus, cows and most other food animals are managed and slaughtered in the most "humane" way possible while this method of harvesting dolphins doesn't seem to have any consideration for minimizing the suffering of the animal. The way they're taking those dolphins is unnecessarily painful and cruel l in my opinion, and the fact that dolphins are most likely more intelligent than dogs (which we consider to be too intelligent to eat for food) makes this sort of thing open to questions of morality.
If they MUST be eaten due to lack of a less intelligent source of food, then I think it ought to be done in a less torturous fashion. We are after all at the top of the food chain, and if a human NEEDS food then anything below us on the food chain is fair game. But even slaughtering hogs where they bleed them out alive is done in what seems to be about 1/100th the time with significantly less pain and suffering.
I think one other thing that bugs people about this is that they don't NEED those dolphins to survive. If they'd relax their trade restrictions on protein imports, they could get all the cheap beef and other meat they could possibly want. Some of the arguments in favor of dolphin hunting like this sound a whole lot like the arguments that justify killing endangered elephants for their ivory... It's all "we're humans so we're in charge, and you're a pansy for letting a little blood bother you". Harumph... Legit slaughtering to satisfy needs is just fine, but I think it ought to be done in as humane a fashion as possible. Putting intelligent animals into a panic for hours followed by slowly suffocating them over another few hours just doesn't seem right to me. We don't even do that to rapists and child molesters...
Dolphins are just biding their time. There will be a time when they come for us, oh yes, there will be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qiCcEkt43I
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If any of you fail to understand that every animal if being used as a food source or not, is food, then shame on you. Animals aren't here as entertainment, it's all a big food chain, us being at the top. We regulate how many animals roam in a certain area the same as frogs and spiders reduce the mosquito population.
We might as well get after Orca Whales for killing other whales for food. They dump all of their blood in the ocean as well, and they let the whales suffer in pain. If you're going to get after a human saying, "This is not humane!" Then please take a look at marine life. More likely marine life of the dolphin's size expects a painful death, even if it's longer than expected.
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Originally posted by Denholm
it's all a big food chain, us being at the top.
lions, tigers and bears might disagree with that statement.
also alligators, crocodiles and sharks.:D
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Originally posted by Denholm
If any of you fail to understand that every animal if being used as a food source or not, is food, then shame on you. Animals aren't here as entertainment, it's all a big food chain, us being at the top. We regulate how many animals roam in a certain area the same as frogs and spiders reduce the mosquito population.
We might as well get after Orca Whales for killing other whales for food. They dump all of their blood in the ocean as well, and they let the whales suffer in pain. If you're going to get after a human saying, "This is not humane!" Then please take a look at marine life. More likely marine life of the dolphin's size expects a painful death, even if it's longer than expected.
What you fail to realize is the the Polar Bear is higher than the Human on the food chain.
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11 1/2 Years in Asia....
When will you show a "They EAT Dogs Also" flick?
Dog is good and good for you!
:p
Mac
" Nothing is more Thrillin than the Puppy yer Grillin!!!"
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
What you fail to realize is the the Polar Bear is higher than the Human on the food chain.
I had a Food Chain once...
Fine taste for Cats, Kittys, Kittens....
Then I got Married...
Ever licked an Old Crow?
:cry
Mac
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The concept of "humane" is a human invention and does not exist in nature.
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What eagl said. This is very sad. I respect cultural boundaries, but why must the animals be tortured like this? If only we knew what they were feeling. Can't a less brutal method be used to minimize the suffering? I know Arabic Halal food law requires the animal to be killed a certain way, but the Japanese?
damn..
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Silence of the Lambs?
I like my Dog tender... Beat it before it dies.. The blood rush ensures tender meat.
Should I slap my Cucumber around a bit? Spank my Zuccinni? Flog my EggPlant?
I smell a PETA Spy....
Mac
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wikipedia says this throat slitting is now outlawed
In Japan, the hunting is done by a select group of fishermen.[4] When a pod of dolphins has been spotted, they're driven into a bay by the fishermen while banging on metal rods in the water to scare and confuse the dolphins. When the dolphins are in the bay, it is quickly closed off with nets so the dolphins cannot escape. The dolphins are usually not caught and killed immediately, but instead left to calm down over night. The following day, the dolphins are caught one by one and killed. The killing of the animals used to be done by slitting their throats which resulted in a long and painful death for the dolphin, but the Japanese government banned this method and now dolphins may officially only be killed by driving a metal pin into the neck of the dolphin, which causes them to die within seconds.[5]
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Originally posted by Dadano
Ouch (http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphin)
I don't think I ever laughed so hard then when I saw that dolphin being dragged behind the car... :rofl
I'm personally more concerned about THIS. (http://www.glumbert.com/media/dolphinhump)
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Go to Japan and hug a dieing Dolphin then...wash them in yer tears.
Then come back to the USA and eat Suishi....
Mac
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
What you fail to realize is the the Polar Bear is higher than the Human on the food chain.
Not if I have a big enough gun. :D
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A cattle prod would make a shocking scene :D
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Originally posted by mandingo
What eagl said. This is very sad. I respect cultural boundaries, but why must the animals be tortured like this?
Maybe for the same reason dog / cat eaters electrocute them to a horrific death; more adrenaline makes the meat tastier.
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I suppose the cannibals of the rain forests are considered evil for boiling humans alive?
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Denholm,
You might be confusing "evil" with either "immoral" (going against a set of morals) or "unmoral" (lacking morals). The word "evil" typically implies an intent to do grave harm for no purpose other than causing suffering. Some people convert "evil" to "sinful", but it's quite possible to consider something evil without bothering to justify that opinion by claiming to know the intent of some hypothetical higher power and many people claiming that certain behavior is "sinful" are simply trying to justify their own unsupportable predjuces and opinions by calling on a supposed authority that cannot be directly interviewed.
To determine if any particular instance of cannibalism is "evil", "immoral", "unmoral", or "sinful" depends on determining the purpose and exact actions of the cannibal. Do you see any difference between a culture which allows cannibalism for food, vs. a culture which has developed elaborate torture rituals prior to consuming the flesh of their victim?
I do. Is that evil?