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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ForrestS on June 09, 2007, 12:00:01 PM
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Alright i found a place to get my pilots licence. I was gonna get into ultralights but i heard bad things about them. (hehe)
The school is in Arlington Texas. So its not far away.
Technacly im working on it right now because im studing the yellow Drivers Licence book. I got to get my permit, and a job. But im GONNA DO IT.
Its around 6,000 for
20 Hours of Dual Instruction in C172
15 Hours of Solo Flight in C172
Computer Based Instruction Kit
Charts
Ground School
Medical
Written test
They said you can pay 75 a month untill its paid off.
Im not gonna buy a plane im just going to rent them on weekends or when ever i have the time and money.
Will yall check out the site and tell me if im makeing a good decision.
Skymates (http://www.skymates.com/private-pilot.shtml)
They also let you rent from them. They have Cessna 172's, 182's, Piper Seminole, and a Beech Duchess.
(http://www.skymates.com/fleet/images/large/N73043-05-068.jpg)
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Those numbers are all the minimums. Bare bones minimums. With the price of fuel well over double (triple in some cases) from when I did my initial training budget $10,000. You'll be happier to come in under budget rather than have to stop your training several times because you ran out of money which costs you more in the long run. You'll want to plan on at least 30 hours of dual and 20 hours solo. The "average" student used to be around 60 hours for their private checkride. I've had them good to go at 35 hours and had to make a few lunch trips to get the time but I also gave a guy his first signoff at 120 hours and 3 years. He'd flown 40 hours a year for 3 years which hurt much more than helped.
I've seen it done several times and in one case I actually offered a student an advance on his multiengine checkride for the airplane because he called me to explain he was out of money two days before his practical test. He passed with flying colors and made good on the advance within a month.
Good luck and have fun with it :)
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This is what I'll be doing mine in:
(http://www.spenceriowacity.com/airport/images/Piper%20Warrior%20II%20N3066H.jpg)
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Originally posted by Golfer
Those numbers are all the minimums. Bare bones minimums. With the price of fuel well over double (triple in some cases) from when I did my initial training budget $10,000. You'll be happier to come in under budget rather than have to stop your training several times because you ran out of money which costs you more in the long run. You'll want to plan on at least 30 hours of dual and 20 hours solo. The "average" student used to be around 60 hours for their private checkride. I've had them good to go at 35 hours and had to make a few lunch trips to get the time but I also gave a guy his first signoff at 120 hours and 3 years. He'd flown 40 hours a year for 3 years which hurt much more than helped.
I've seen it done several times and in one case I actually offered a student an advance on his multiengine checkride for the airplane because he called me to explain he was out of money two days before his practical test. He passed with flying colors and made good on the advance within a month.
Good luck and have fun with it :)
wait so it might cost 10,000???. what do suggest i do then. There site says u can pay by the month. They said 75 a month. But the gas and other stuff might raise it, so how much a month do you think it will be. And what do you mean "bare minimums". Do you have to fly a cernatin amount, or do you just have to be able to pass a test? Thank you for the help:D
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Id say figure $150-$200 per month that that may get you into the ballpark
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Just wait for the end of the world, the muleitary will be willing to put anyone in anything that fly's and can shoot or drop any type of ord.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Id say figure $150-$200 per month that that may get you into the ballpark
Ya i figured it would be around 200 or so.
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It certainly has the potential to cost you $10,000. That $150-200/month is only one hour or so with an airplane and instructor. You're required a minimum of 40 hours total time...you'll probably need 60+ if you're not flying 2-3x a week. If you figured an average of 2 lessons a week at 2 hours each you're looking at 250 a pop. 500 a week. 2,000/month.
The cheapest you'll do a private for anymore is probably $5,000-$6,000 with the price of fuel what it is being built into the hour rental rates. Plan accordingly. It's worth every penny!
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Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.:cry :cry
That means i have to be rich or something. How can i pull this off. I really need some help. Theres no way in hell i can aford 2000 a month. :cry :mad: :(
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Originally posted by Golfer
It certainly has the potential to cost you $10,000. That $150-200/month is only one hour or so with an airplane and instructor. You're required a minimum of 40 hours total time...you'll probably need 60+ if you're not flying 2-3x a week. If you figured an average of 2 lessons a week at 2 hours each you're looking at 250 a pop. 500 a week. 2,000/month.
The cheapest you'll do a private for anymore is probably $5,000-$6,000 with the price of fuel what it is being built into the hour rental rates. Plan accordingly. It's worth every penny!
Dude i just remembered there site said you can borrow up to 100% of the cost.
Financing (http://www.skymates.com/financing.shtml)
Go there and tell me if im right or wrong. And if this is what i should do. PLEEEEEEEEEASE:D
IM SOOOO SAVED. I hope they will let me.
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Financing can couse more trouble then what its worth.
I have an honest question, how old are you?
When you ask a company for money, they check two main things: income and credit history. To them if you dont make enough, they wont give you anything (too great of risk). Poor or no credit, the same thing. If you are too young (minor), they wont even give you the time of day. I dont think your parents would sign for it, especially if they think you will have trouble paying it back. It can come back on them and ruin their credit and in the worst case the financing company take them to court for collection.
Another big thing to consider is the terms and interest rate. If you borrow $10,000 you will NEVER pay back that amount only. You will pay a big part of interest too. For example the one at skymates:
Loan terms 10-15 years
No prepayment penalty
New deferment option - 12 months of payments at only $10 a month /
24 month co-borrower release option
Can apply with a co-borrower
Variable Rate from Prime +1 to Prime +9 based on credit ratings
Online application with a quick turnaround
Say you borrow $10,000 with an interest rate of 8%.
You have a monthly payment of about $96. Takes 15 years to pay it off, you will pay over $7000 interest for a grand total of $17,202.60
10 years is about $122/month for a grand repayment total of about $15,000.
If you are a first time borrower with no credit history and maybe one of your parents as a cosigner, your interest rate will be around 20% if not higher (most likely case)
The following is figured at 20% interest
at 10 years, you pay around $193 a month for a grand total of over $23,191 ($10,000 principal, $13,191 interest). 15 years is about $176/month for a total of $31,613.40 ($10K principal, $21,618 interest)
Borrowing companies bait you in with hopes of low interest, but the real life actual terms/interest is ALWAYS more then what they make you believe.
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Originally posted by ForrestS
Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.:cry :cry
That means i have to be rich or something.
imagine, some cant even afford a car today!
flying just for fun is luxus, of course you should have the $.
Even some Airline/Millitary pilots have paragliding for hobby ( ;) )
because flying with fuel is expensive compared with just fly with the wind,
that should a 4 year old know.
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I can give you the wisdom of my father.
When he asked me what I wanted to do after finishing high school I said, "I'd like to go to college."
He said, "Good luck."
Skydiving is cheaper.
You get to ride around in planes, just not as long as the pilot.
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Hmm. Hard choices here. I HATE school so i think collage is out of the question. But maybe just maybe my moms boyfriend will help me out. Btw im 16. Im pretty sure he has a good credit history. He just got my mom a new truck and he got himself one to. So it might be possible. 17k would be not too bad. Its really the only choice i have, because i cant afford 2000 a month. I could just get him to do it and i could just pay him instead.
Dude im gonna be eating ramen noodles for a LONG time.
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Instead of finding a way for others to help you start finding a way for you to help yourself. You:
A.) Don't pay rent
B.) Have no car payment
C.) Are legal to work
D.) Probably do not have a girlfriend
Go get a job and pigeon hole money away to pay for your lessons. Better yet why don't you go get a job working at the flight school and have yourself a nice employee discount on the rentals while actually learning a few things about aviation along the way.
And FWIW if you choose to fly professionally you will be eating ramen noodles for an even longer time.
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For 16, you would definately need a co-signer or someone else to do the loan and then you pay them back.
If you by rare chance get the loan in your name and something happens down the road, such as you decide you dont want to do it anymore, then you will still have to pay the loan back regardless. Or if your mom's BF foots the bill and then they split up, your SOL.
It may not seem like it now, but college is a very good thing. When I was 16 I didnt want to go to college or even think about school, but now college is very important if you want to make big bucks. My regret is that I dropped out of college twice now
1st time - got married and moved away, BIG MISTAKE
2nd time - wife wouldnt get off her fat lazy arse and get a job, so I dropped out of college, left her, and moved back to where I originally was from.
The older you get, the tougher it is to go to college full time and work full time to keep the bills paid.
Reading all this sure makes me feel like an old man :cry
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Ok if i go to collage it opens up the choice to go into the airforce and fly planes. Perferably bombers. I dont like roller coasters so i wouldent fly the fighters. Bombers are nice anyways. What kind of collage would i have to go to. would it have to be a four year collage.
Theres a local collage near me.
NCTC (http://www.nctc.edu/Business_Office/Costpage.html)
What excatly would i have to study for.
And is collage really boring. Because i can hardly stand High School. And do you have to have good grades to get in. Ive been barely passing my grades. I failed World History and Math. (yes i know i have to be good at math). :cry
Is collage more affordable than a pilots licence or are they the same.
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One pays for the other.
If you go to college your chances of having a nicer income makes it easier to get the pilot licence later.
You would study anything in the aeronautics field.
The Air Force would pay you to teach you to fly but you'd have to be pretty sharp to get into their cockpits.
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F*K. AHHHH.:mad:
This is making me mad. :furious
Is there any good jobs that i could have after collage that involve flying.
How sharp do i have to be???. :cry
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There isnt no flight colleges around there that I know of, im going to get a degree in network admin plus basic electronics, AC/DC electricial, and maybe some digital stuff too. This is just a two year degree at a local community college. I dont have any desire for a 4 year university. College is more fun anyway. Its more relaxed and if you dont want to go, you just skip the class. Math is pretty important thought, being a pilot may require good math skills but I am not sure. Someone who is a pilot would have a better answer on it. I bombed history class, the only parts I was interested in was from 1939 to present. History is not needed for 95% of the jobs, so I wouldnt worry about it.
A local flight school would be best to start out as a small aircraft pilot. Affordability between college and flight school depends on what tuition is there, books, etc. 15 credit hours for is is about $1200, books will be maybe $300. I am getting a grant so everything will be paid for since I am considered very low income on my 2006 1040.
NCTC's tuition is really cheap. It may be easier to go to college and get a nice paying job, then you wont have to worry about finances later on. I am wanting to be a light aircraft pilot, but at this point in time I am going to finish college and get a better paying job. Its less stressful then worrying about paying bills working minimum wage.
Going to college pretty much just makes things easier later on in life.
This is just me though. Im just a lowly meatwad trying to do better in life :)
EDIT - For flying jobs it may require you be pretty sharp. A little studying, reading, and learning and you will do just fine
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I wish I could, but I am in failing health.
GO FOR IT!
Please post on the boards when you get your PPL!!!!
DO IT!
Best of luck, dude!!
68ROX
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Oooops.....I almost forgot.
1) Do as much practice with an equivilent aircraft on Microsoft Flight Simulator as you can.
2) Do you want to work for someone ELSE....or be your own boss with unlimited potential income and residual income every month with vested income until you die?
If you want to be your own boss...contact your local Allstate, or AFLAC insurance agency ASAP.
I am my own boss...my best day in the last 6 months was $1,200 in a single day. I know guys who do $8,000 in a week...I'm not there yet.
This week could be better.......
I work for AFLAC.
Good Luck!
Bruce
68ROX
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Originally posted by Meatwad
There isnt no flight colleges around there that I know of, im going to get a degree in network admin plus basic electronics, AC/DC electricial, and maybe some digital stuff too. This is just a two year degree at a local community college. I dont have any desire for a 4 year university. College is more fun anyway. Its more relaxed and if you dont want to go, you just skip the class. Math is pretty important thought, being a pilot may require good math skills but I am not sure. Someone who is a pilot would have a better answer on it. I bombed history class, the only parts I was interested in was from 1939 to present. History is not needed for 95% of the jobs, so I wouldnt worry about it.
A local flight school would be best to start out as a small aircraft pilot. Affordability between college and flight school depends on what tuition is there, books, etc. 15 credit hours for is is about $1200, books will be maybe $300. I am getting a grant so everything will be paid for since I am considered very low income on my 2006 1040.
NCTC's tuition is really cheap. It may be easier to go to college and get a nice paying job, then you wont have to worry about finances later on. I am wanting to be a light aircraft pilot, but at this point in time I am going to finish college and get a better paying job. Its less stressful then worrying about paying bills working minimum wage.
Going to college pretty much just makes things easier later on in life.
This is just me though. Im just a lowly meatwad trying to do better in life :)
EDIT - For flying jobs it may require you be pretty sharp. A little studying, reading, and learning and you will do just fine
Meatwad thank you so much this truly helps me. I appreciate what you and everyone else has said. Thank yall. Yall kept me from making some mistakes.
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Originally posted by 68ROX
Oooops.....I almost forgot.
1) Do as much practice with an equivilent aircraft on Microsoft Flight Simulator as you can.
2) Do you want to work for someone ELSE....or be your own boss with unlimited potential income and residual income every month with vested income until you die?
If you want to be your own boss...contact your local Allstate, or AFLAC insurance agency ASAP.
I am my own boss...my best day in the last 6 months was $1,200 in a single day. I know guys who do $8,000 in a week...I'm not there yet.
This week could be better.......
I work for AFLAC.
Good Luck!
Bruce
68ROX
Cool. No i dont want to be my own boss. idk y but i dont. I just want to fly for a living. Weither its the airforce or a commmercial pilot. Just something with flying. Thanx for the help:D
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Originally posted by Meatwad
There isnt no flight colleges around there that I know of, im going to get a degree in network admin plus basic electronics, AC/DC electricial, and maybe some digital stuff too. This is just a two year degree at a local community college. I dont have any desire for a 4 year university. College is more fun anyway. Its more relaxed and if you dont want to go, you just skip the class. Math is pretty important thought, being a pilot may require good math skills but I am not sure. Someone who is a pilot would have a better answer on it. I bombed history class, the only parts I was interested in was from 1939 to present. History is not needed for 95% of the jobs, so I wouldnt worry about it.
A local flight school would be best to start out as a small aircraft pilot. Affordability between college and flight school depends on what tuition is there, books, etc. 15 credit hours for is is about $1200, books will be maybe $300. I am getting a grant so everything will be paid for since I am considered very low income on my 2006 1040.
NCTC's tuition is really cheap. It may be easier to go to college and get a nice paying job, then you wont have to worry about finances later on. I am wanting to be a light aircraft pilot, but at this point in time I am going to finish college and get a better paying job. Its less stressful then worrying about paying bills working minimum wage.
Going to college pretty much just makes things easier later on in life.
This is just me though. Im just a lowly meatwad trying to do better in life :)
EDIT - For flying jobs it may require you be pretty sharp. A little studying, reading, and learning and you will do just fine
So what classes should i take. I still have 2 more years in school. Could i "sharpen" up my math grades and still make it into the airforce or is it to late.
Thanx agian:aok
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If you want jobs in the aviation field as a pilot, you should call up the college and talk to a counselor or someone in admissions. If they dont know then they should be able to give you someone that will know for sure. The airforce will pay for most, but you may have to be really good to be a pilot. Id stay local and start out at the local airfield to get a feel for what its like.
One thing for sure is that you will have to take "general" classes in college. Its a requirement and it kinda sucks. THe college I go to doesnt offer any aviation type classes, I would have to go to a university about 100 miles away.
This is what I have to take
FIRST SEMESTER
CITP 110 Computer Logic 4 credit hrs
BUSN 149 Business Math or higher-level Math 3
CITN 112 A+ Certification 4
CITG 183 Windows XP Professional 3
ENGL 101 English Composition 3
17 total hours
SECOND SEMESTER
CITN 130 Windows 2000 Server 3
CITN 115 Network + 3
CITN 210 Linux 3
CITN 110 Security+ 3
SPCH 103 Fundamentals of Speech 3
Psycology 101 OR Sociology 101 3 (chose psychology, found out im crazy)
18 total hours
THIRD SEMESTER
CITC 110 Cisco Networking Basics 4
CITP 215 System Design I 4
CITC 111 Cisco Routers and Routing Basics 4
CITN 220 Server 2003 Administration 4
16 hrs
FOURTH SEMESTER
CITN 181 Windows.NET Enterprise 4
CITN 215 Exchange Server 3
CITN 225 Windows 2003 Network Infrastructure 3
CITG 250 Computer Information Technology Internship 4
Area D Elective 2 (Took health)
PHLE 119 Core Values and Ethical Decision Making (gonna be retarded, must be a political correctness class)
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I have no idea about this but I have a friend who's husband went here (http://www.erau.edu/) .
He then worked as a flight instructor, flew one of the local traffic reporters around, flew the Governor around, and is now working for one of those regional airlines that fly for the majors as a second officer.
You may want to look into it.
wrngway