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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: beau32 on June 10, 2007, 02:17:56 AM
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Anyone think of the F-82 Twin Mustang. It would be simple to do. Just take 2 P-51's and stick them together on the wings. Just my opinion. I think it would make a awsome ground attack plane.
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Point the first: It wasn't two Mustangs stuck together, it was a completely new design.
Point the second: It was very much post war. Not even an almost ran like the F7F, F8F and Do335.
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Ever notice how the summer crowd always ask for a post-WWII uber plane rather than an earlier pre-US war entry plane like, oh, the Bf-109D?
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Give us the RAT, I16... Or maybe CR32/42... Gloster Gladiator....
If a pilot could get Kills, and survive, in one of these airplane's???
Then he would be worthy of the title, "Der UBERJEAGER".....
Just like landing a 20 pound steelhead, with 8lb test fishing line....
The mark of a true MASTER....
OG
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I was just making a suggestion. I like the plane, thought it would be cool.
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Originally posted by beau32
Anyone think of the F-82 Twin Mustang. It would be simple to do. Just take 2 P-51's and stick them together on the wings. Just my opinion. I think it would make a awsome ground attack plane.
someone's been playin blazing angels... :p
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Originally posted by folkwufe
someone's been playin blazing angels... :p
actually never played it. saw someone play it, and didnt like it. lol.
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the P-82 wasnt even in ww2 it was in the koreon war and it was an ground attack plane.:p
p51srule:aok
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Originally posted by beau32
Anyone think of the F-82 Twin Mustang. It would be simple to do. Just take 2 P-51's and stick them together on the wings. Just my opinion. I think it would make a awsome ground attack plane.
this is airplanes that fought in the war there maybe a few that flew at the end like the N1K and the DO-335(I highly think that we should put that airplane in) but they flew
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Bosco,
The N1K2-J actually saw squadron service and combat from January 1945 to the end.
The Do335 never saw either.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Bosco,
The N1K2-J actually saw squadron service and combat from January 1945 to the end.
The Do335 never saw either.
they both did
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Originally posted by Bosco123
they both did
You're retarded:confused:
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Yes he is.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
they both did
I suggest you look up more data on the Do335 then.
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:rolleyes: why not,but no weapons,and lets add a 747 while were at it so we can dogfight in em:)
(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7108/wtfgx6.png)
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LOL!
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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
the P-82 wasnt even in ww2 it was in the koreon war and it was an ground attack plane.:p
p51srule:aok
Which variant of the F-82 would that be? I've heard of the escort fighter
and the night fighter but nothing about a twin engined liquid cooled ground
attack version.
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Originally posted by mentalguy
You're retarded:confused:
:rofl
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ok 1st thing, the P-82 didnt see service in WWII. They got the first aerial kills in the Korean War against Yak-9s and La-7s. They were the U.S. air superiority fighter before the MiG-15s showed up. Look it up before you post.
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AND they still only had 6 .50cals
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Originally posted by mentalguy
You're retarded:confused:
mayby you should talk Meantalguy
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ya know, this forum is called a wish list. Not a lets jump on everyone list. I made a simple suggestion. I didnt ask for yall to sit here and jump all over it. As a matter of fact, it was conceived in WW2 as early as 1943. So before you jump all over me, i do my research and im very knowlegeable in WW2 Aircraft. If u dont like then i really dont give a D@mn. Here is some KNOWLEDGE for yall who think u know it all!
The North American P-82 Twin Mustang was the last piston-engined fighter ordered by the USAAF. It was conceived late in 1943, when it was realized that the very long distances over which single-seat fighters were operating in the Pacific were imposing very great strains on their pilots. It was not uncommon for fighter pilots to spend up to eight hours in their cockpits on maximum-distance missions. Pilots would often return from such missions drenched in sweat and would be so exhausted that they would have to be lifted from their cockpits.
It seemed that a fighter with a second seat for a copilot might be a good idea. North American Aviation came up with the idea of joining two Mustang fuselages together by a constant-chord wing midsection and a rectangular tailplane, using standard port and starboard outer wings. The project was given the company designation of NA-120.
On January 7, 1944, the USAAF ordered four prototypes under the designation XP-82. The twin fuselages were basically similar to that of the P-51H, but were lengthened by some 57 inches by inserting additional sections with integral dorsal fins in front of the tailplane. All parts of the wing had to be completely redesigned internally to carry the very much greater gross weight and to accommodate the increased fuel capacity. The center wing section carried a full set of flaps and was stressed to carry heavy external loads on either one or two pylons. The outer wings were stressed for two pylons. Because of the greater rolling inertia, each aileron was increased in length and divided into inner and outer sections to prevent binding of the hinges under high g-loads.
The engines were 1860 hp Packard Merlin V-1650-23/25 liquid-cooled Vees driving oppositely-rotating Aeroproducts propellers. Each main undercarriage leg was attached to the front wing spar under the outboard side of each fuselage. The wheels retracted inwards under the fuselage and wing. Armament consisted of six 0.5-inch Browning MG 53-2 machine guns with 300 rpg mounted in the new wing center section. These guns could be augmented by a central pod below the wing, with 8 additional machine guns installed.
The two cockpits with dual controls had the same bubble canopies as the P-51H. The port cockpit housed the pilot and was equipped with a full set of flight and engine instruments. The starboard cockpit housed the navigator/copilot and was equipped with only a limited set of instruments, sufficient only for basic control of the plane. At an early stage, it was suspected that once the war was over, the Packard Motor Car Company would be unlikely to continue the manufacture of V-1650 Merlin engines. Furthermore, the Allison V-1710 had by that time matured into an engine which, without a turbosupercharger but with two stages of gear-driven blowers could give excellent performance at high altitudes. Consequently, the V-1710-119 was specified for the third and fourth prototypes, which were to be designated XP-82A. XP-82 serial number 44-83887 flew for the first time on April 15, 1945, piloted by J. E. Barton. The other XP-82 (44-83886) followed shortly thereafter. At first, there were problems with excessive drag, which was eventually traced to the fact that the propellers turned toward each other during their upward sweep. This tended to stall the center section of the wing. The problem was cured by switching the engines, so that the blades met during their downward trajectory. The performance was excellent, the XP-82 retaining all the excellent qualities of the P-51: high speed, excellent maneuverability, and heavy firepower. Maximum speed of the XP-82 was 468 mph at 22,800 feet. Normal range was 1390 miles, with maximum range being 2600 miles. Service ceiling was 40,000 feet, and an altitude of 25,000 feet could be attained in 6.4 minutes. Weights were 13,402 pounds empty, 19,100 pounds normal loaded, and 22,000 pounds maximum. Dimensions were wingspan 51 feet 3 inches, length 39 feet 1 inches, height 13 feet 10 inches, and wing area of 408 square feet.
Serial numbers of XP-82 Twin Mustang
44-83886/83887 North American XP-82 Twin Mustang
c/n 120-43742/43743
The first production model was the P-82B (Model NA-123), with a pair of Packard Merlin V-1560-19/21 engines. Five hundred production P-82Bs were ordered by the USAAF. These P-82Bs were basically similar to the XP-82, but differed in having provisions for underwing racks capable of carrying four 1000-pound bombs, two 2000-pound bombs, or 25 5-inch rockets. A central pod carrying eight additional 0.50-inch machine guns could also be fitted.
The P-82B was one of the hottest piston-engined fighters of the war. Maximum speed was 482 mph at 25,100 feet. Normal range was 1390 miles at 227 mph, 1280 miles with a 4000-pound bomb load. Service ceiling was 41,600 feet, and an altitude of 20,000 feet could be attained in 7 minutes. Weights were 13,405 pounds empty, 19,100 pounds normal loaded, and 22,000 pounds maximum. Dimensions were wingspan 51 feet 3 inches, length 38 feet 1 inches, height 13 feet 10 inches, and wing area of 408 square feet.
Only twenty of these P-82Bs had been built by the time of V-J Day (serials were 44-65160/65179). None of these planes managed to get overseas before the end of the war. The end of the war against Japan resulted in the cancellation of the remaining 480 of these P-82Bs.
On February 28, 1947, P-82B serial number 44-65168 piloted by Robert E. Thacker and his copilot John M. Ard flew nonstop without refueling from Hickam Field, Hawaii to LaGuardia Airport, New York, covering a distance of 4968 miles in 14 hours 31 minutes 50 seconds for an average speed of 342 mph. This airplane, named *Betty Joe* after Thacker's wife, carried four external fuel tanks under the wings for this flight. This was the longest unrefuelled flight ever carried out by a piston-engined fighter. The record still stands.
Serials of P-82B:
44-65160/65168 North American P-82B Twin Mustang
c/n 123-43746/43754
44-65169 North American P-82C Twin Mustang
c/n 123-43755
conversion of 10th P-82B to P-82C night fighter
44-65170 North American P-82D Twin Mustang
c/n 123-43756
conversion of 11th P-82B to P-82D night fighter
44-65171/65179 North American P-82B Twin Mustang
c/n 123-43757/43765
44-65180/65659 North American P-82B Twin Mustang
contract cancelled.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
mayby you should talk Meantalguy
You're digging yourself deeper.
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IT NEVER SAW COMBAT IN WWII SO IT ISNT GOING TO BE PUT INTO AHII!
When will people get this, if it wasnt in squadron use and didnt see combat it will not be put into AHII. Aces High is a WWII combat sim. That is September 1, 1939 - May 8, 1945 VE Day / August 14, 1945(US) VP Day. If the plane you wish for didnt see squadron strength combat before those dates you will only get bashed if you ask for it.
Stop saying "this is the wishlist forum I was only ask for something". This is a froum for a WWII game not a Korean, WWI, Vietnam, coldwar, or desert storm war game. WWII! So please stop asking for Do-335, F-82, B2, B52, F15, F22, F-117 and F18s.
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Originally posted by Larry
IT NEVER SAW COMBAT IN WWII SO IT ISNT GOING TO BE PUT INTO AHII!
When will people get this, if it wasnt in squadron use and didnt see combat it will not be put into AHII. Aces High is a WWII combat sim. That is September 1, 1939 - May 8, 1945 VE Day / August 14, 1945(US) VP Day. If the plane you wish for didnt see squadron strength combat before those dates you will only get bashed if you ask for it.
Stop saying "this is the wishlist forum I was only ask for something". This is a froum for a WWII game not a Korean, WWI, Vietnam, coldwar, or desert storm war game. WWII! So please stop asking for Do-335, F-82, B2, B52, F15, F22, F-117 and F18s.
well said
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Originally posted by beau32
ya know, this forum is called a wish list. Not a lets jump on everyone list. I made a simple suggestion. I didnt ask for yall to sit here and jump all over it. As a matter of fact, it was conceived in WW2 as early as 1943. So before you jump all over me, i do my research and im very knowlegeable in WW2 Aircraft. If u dont like then i really dont give a D@mn. Here is some KNOWLEDGE for yall who think u know it all!
Not claiming to know it all, just most things and one of those things I know is that the P/F-82 did not see any service in World War II. This game simulates combat using World War II aircraft, not aircraft that were thought of during the war and later saw service in Korea or someother war.
ack-ack
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We dont get any post-war stuff til we get the He162!!!!!:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_162
best jet of World War Two, who cares if it only saw a week of com bat and suffered form catastrophic failure?:rolleyes:
oh yeah, unlike that Do335 or whatever, it was in squadron use!
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Originally posted by PanzerIV
best jet of World War Two
Ummm...no.
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uh.. unlike the Allied jet it saw combat, and the Allies knew it was a great plane, just ask the nameless British pilot!
"The difficulties experienced by the He 162 were caused mainly by its rush into production, not by any inherent design flaws. One experienced Luftwaffe pilot who flew it called it a "first-class combat aircraft." Though an RAF pilot was killed in November 1945 when one of the tailfins broke off during the Farnborough air show, a British pilot who evaluated the He 162 praised it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_162:aok
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Meteor III saw more combat. Just wasn't much air-to-air combat as the Luftwaffe wasn't really around anymore.
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about the F-82 Twin-mustang, was there 2 pilots? and if so what did the second do?
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Summer has arived:cry
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The pilot on the left of the aircraft flew the plane, but he could alternate control to the pilot on the right on long flights. The night fighter version had a radar pod under the middle of the plane (between the two cockpits) and the pilot on the right was the radar operator.
Hope that answers your question PanzerIV!
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Originally posted by mentalguy
You're digging yourself deeper.
He@# just look at your avitar a guy getting ready to shoot himself over the american flag. thats not reatarded though :noid :aok
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"Here is some KNOWLEDGE for yall who think u know it all!"
All you showed was that you're able to cut and paste someone else's article. duh
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Originally posted by Bosco123
they both did
The Dornier 335 was NEVER in squadron service. It didn't even make it out of advanced flight trials. 38 were produced. Most of those were captured or destroyed on the ground.
Your desire to get his plane into AH is unfounded. It meets none of the requirements for placement. I figure you just want a faster ride to replace your run90 or your La-7 which you have found to be less than adequate in running away from those pilots looking for you to do the same. Either that or you haven't earned enough perks to fly the 163 or the 262, and want to play with the big boys in the 335.
When posting to a wishlist, stick to the ideology behind the game itself. (This would be why the british answer to the the 262, the Gloster Meteor is not in the game. It reached production level late in war and wasn't in squadron service until late may, 1945.)
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MORAY37,
The Meteor Mk I was in squadron service in mid 1944, one week before the Me262 was, and the Mk III was in squadron service, on the continent, in January, 1945.
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Originally posted by Larry
IT NEVER SAW COMBAT IN WWII SO IT ISNT GOING TO BE PUT INTO AHII!
(http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Med/Amwpns.jpg)
These saw service, lets start another one of these threads! B-29 IN TWO WEEKS.
:rofl
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Yeah dont worry one of these squeaks will have one up in a week or two.
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Originally posted by OdinGrunherze
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Just like landing a 20 pound steelhead, with 8lb test fishing line....
The mark of a true MASTER....
OG [/B]
8lb test will break my noodle rod...:lol :lol can't say I ever landed a 20 pound steelie,but I've landed several salmon over that weight. I use 6lbs mainline and anywhere from 1.7 to 5.2 lb leaders......