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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Bosco123 on June 10, 2007, 02:36:23 PM
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the Do-335 was a late airplane that flew at the end of the war. the airplane was called the pheil or the arrow another nickname was called the anteater because of the shape of the airplane. the airplane had its distiction for the being the fastest prop-driven world war 2 aircaft also for its push pull design meaning engine in the front and engine in the rear of the airplane. the germans who flew the airplane said that it flew better than than most world war fighters and it could fly with only one engine. ther were about 3 models the fighter the night fighter and the trainer. now do you think we should add this airplane to our slew of aircraft (http://
[url]http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wwii/photos/gallery_005/Do%20335%20V1%20prototype%20over%20Oberpfaffenhofen%20-%20late%201943.jpg[/url])
(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/germany/dornier/do_335/do335-112.jpg)
(http://members.tripod.com/inline_twin/do335-plate1.jpeg)
and the night fighter
(http://butcherbirdmodels.com/images/do335pur.jpg)
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Was never in squadron use.
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Originally posted by Larry
Was never in squadron use.
by ht etime it acually was flying the war was almost over that is why it never saw sqadrons and thier was only 2 acually fling by the end of the war
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Originally posted by Bosco123
by ht etime it acually was flying the war was almost over that is why it never saw sqadrons and thier was only 2 acually fling by the end of the war
By the end of the war the few that were flying were prototypes. If they saw any combat it was because allied planes saw them and attacked, they wernt going out to fight they were flight testing. It will never be put into AH becase:
A: The only ones that flew were prototypes.
B: It was never in squadron use.
C: It saw very limited action.
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Originally posted by Larry
By the end of the war the few that were flying were prototypes. If they saw any combat it was because allied planes saw them and attacked, they wernt going out to fight they were flight testing. It will never be put into AH becase:
A: The only ones that flew were prototypes.
B: It was never in squadron use.
C: It saw very limited action.
this is were your wrong. the did see action because it flew a night raid on b-24 and it was vey effective. also the first day mission it flew was that it was going to an RAF base and it met up with 4 Tempast the pilot saw that and took off running and the tempast never caught up. and as i said befor it never saw squadron use becuse of the late entry. and what about the N1K. that saw vaey limited action yet its still in AH. if you dont belive me check wikapideia. so yes it should
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Originally posted by Bosco123
this is were your wrong. the did see action because it flew a night raid on b-24 and it was vey effective. also the first day mission it flew was that it was going to an RAF base and it met up with 3 hurricanes the pilot saw that and took off running and the hurris never caught up. and as i said befor it never saw squadron use becuse of the late entry. and what about the N1K. that saw vaey limited action yet its still in AH. if you dont belive me check wikapideia. so yes it should
You should read the Wikipedia article again.
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Originally posted by Lusche
You should read the Wikipedia article again.
The Dornier Do 335 Pfeil ("Arrow"), unofficially also Ameisenbär ("anteater"), was a World War II heavy fighter built by the Dornier company. The Pfeil's performance was much better than any similar design due to its unique "push-pull" layout and the Luftwaffe was desperate to get the design into squadron use, but delays in engine deliveries meant only a handful were delivered before the war ended.
Contents [hide]
1 Development
2 Flight tests
3 Survivors
4 Specifications (Do 335 A-0)
5 Related content
[edit] Development
The origins of the Do 335 trace back to World War I when Claudius Dornier designed a number of flying boats featuring remotely-driven propellers and later, due to problems with the drive shafts, tandem engines. Tandem engines were used on most of the multi-engined Dornier flying boats that followed, including the highly successful Dornier Wal and the gigantic Dornier Do X. The remote propeller drive, intended to eliminate parasitic drag from the engine entirely, was tried in the innovative, but unsuccessful Dornier Do 14, and elongated drive shafts as later used in the Do 335 saw use in the rear engines of the tandem-engined Dornier Do 26 flying boat.
In a tandem layout the engines are mounted back-to-back in pairs, the front engine 'pulling' and the rear one 'pushing'. There are many advantages to this design over the more traditional system of placing one engine on each wing, the most important being providing the power from two engines with the frontal area (and thus drag) of a single engine design, allowing for higher performance. It also keeps the weight near the centerline, so the plane can roll faster than a traditional twin. In addition an engine failure doesn't lead to asymmetric thrust, and in normal flight there is no net torque so the plane is easy to handle. The location of the vertical tail surface was lowered so that half of it projected down from fuselage in order to protect the rear propeller from an accidental ground strike on take-off.
In 1939 Dornier was busy working on the P.59 high speed bomber project, which featured the tandem engine layout. In 1940 he commissioned a test aircraft to validate his concept for turning the rear, "pusher" propeller with an engine located far away from it and using a long driveshaft. This aircraft, the Göppingen Gö 9 showed that there were no unforeseen difficulties with this arrangement, but work on the P.59 was stopped in early 1940 when Hermann Göring ordered the cancellation of all projects which would not be complete within a year or so.
In May 1942 Dornier submitted an updated version with a 1,000 kg bombload as the P.231, in response to a requirement for a single seat high speed bomber/intruder (other entries included the Blohm & Voss BV 155). P.231 was selected as the winner after beating rival designs from Arado and Junkers, and a development contract was awarded as the Do 335. In the Autumn of 1942 Dornier was told that the Do 335 was no longer required, and instead a multi-role fighter based on the same general layout would be accepted. This delayed the prototype delivery as it was modified for the new role.
Fitted with Daimler-Benz DB 603A engines delivering 1,750 PS (1, 726 hp, 1,287 kW) at take-off, the first prototype flew in October 1943. The pilots were surprised at the speed, acceleration, turning circle and general handling of the type; it was a twin that flew like a single. The only sore spots they found were the poor rearward visibility and weak landing gear. V2 and V3 incorporated several minor changes; the oil cooler under the nose incorporated into the annular engine cowling, blisters were added to the canopy with small rear view mirrors, and the main undercarriage doors were redesigned.
On May 23, 1944 Hitler ordered maximum priority to be given to Do 335 production. The main production line was intended to be at Manzel, but a bombing raid in March destroyed the tooling and forced Dornier to set up a new line at Oberpfaffenhofen. The decision was made to cancel the Heinkel He 219 and use its production facilities for the Do 335 as well. However, Ernst Heinkel managed to delay, and eventually ignore, its implementation.
[edit] Flight tests
Do 335 tested in the USAThe first ten Do 335 A-0s were delivered for testing in May. By late 1944 the Do 335 A-1 was on the production line. This was similar to the A-0 but with the uprated DB 603 E-1 engines and two underwing hard points for additional bombs, drop tanks or guns. Capable of a maximum speed of 474 mph (763 km/h) at 6,500 m (21,300 ft) with MW 50 boost, or 426 mph (686 km/h) without boost, and able to climb to 26,250 ft (8,000 m) in under 15 minutes, the Do 335 A-1 could easily outrun any Allied fighters it encountered. Even with one engine out it could reach about 350 mph (563 km/h).
Delivery commenced in January 1945. When the U.S. Army overran the Oberpfaffenhofen factory in late April 1945, only eleven Do 335 A-1 single seat fighter-bombers and two Do 335 A-12 conversion trainers had been completed.
In his book The Big Show, French ace Pierre Clostermann claims the first Allied combat encounter with a Pfeil in April 1945. Leading a flight of four Hawker Tempests from No. 3 Squadron RAF over northern Germany, he intercepted by chance a lone Do 335 flying at maximum speed at treetop level. Detecting the British aircraft, the German pilot reversed course to evade. In spite of the Tempest's considerable speed, the RAF fighters were not able to catch up or even get into firing position.
[edit] Survivors
The only surviving Do 335 (VG+PH) at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center near Washington, DCOnly one Do 335 survives today. The aircraft was the second preproduction Do 335 A-0, designated A-02, with construction number (Werknummer) 240102, and factory registration VG+PH. The aircraft was assembled at Dornier's plant in Oberpfaffenhofen (southern Germany) on April 16, 1945. It was captured by allied forces at the plant on April 22, 1945. The aircraft was test flown from a grass runway at Oberwiesenfeld, near Munich, to Cherbourg, France while escorted by two P-51's. The Do 335 was easily able to out distance the escorting Mustangs and arrived at Cherbourg 45 minutes before the P-51's. VG+PH was one of two Do 335's to be shipped to the United States aboard the Royal Navy ship HMS Reaper, along with other captured German aircraft, to be used for testing and evaluation under a USAAF program called "Operation Sea Horse." One Do 335, with registration FE-1012, went to the USAAF and was tested in early 1946 at Freeman Field, Indiana. Its fate is a mystery.
VG+PH went to the Navy for evaluation and was sent to the Test and Evaluation Center, Patuxent River Naval Air Station, Maryland. Following testing from 1945 to 1948 the aircraft languished in outside storage at Naval Air Station Norfolk. In 1961 it was donated to the Smithsonian's National Air Museum, though it remained in deteriorating condition at Norfolk for several more years before being moved the National Air & Space Museum's storage facility in Silver Hill, Maryland. In October, 1974 VG+PH was returned to the Dornier plant in Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany (then building the Alpha Jet) for a complete restoration. In 1975 the aircraft was beautifully restored by Dornier employees, many of whom had worked on the airplane originally. They were amazed to find that the explosive charges built into the aircraft to blow off the tail fin and rear propeller in the event of an emergency were still on the aircraft and active thirty years later. Following restoration the completed Do 335 was displayed at the Hanover, Germany Airshow from May 1 to 9, 1976. After the Airshow the aircraft was loaned to the Deutsches Museum in Munich where it was on display until 1986, when it was shipped back to Silver Hill, Maryland. VG+PH can be seen today in the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center of the National Air & Space Museum alongside other unique late-war German aircraft such as the Arado Ar 234B-2 "Blitz," and the only surviving Heinkel He 219A "Uhu" (currently only the fuselage is on display, the wings are still undergoing restoration as of March 2007).
I hope you read it lusche
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:rofl
Now where does that article says anything about "hurris?" Where is that "night raid on B-24"?
Actually this article basically proves everything you have been told in this thread: No regular combat, only a few test sorties by prototypes, no squadron deployment.
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl
Lusche just got owned.....lol
He said read it, not copy and paste it :)
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl
Now where does that article says anything about "hurris?" Where is that "night raid on B-24"?
Actually this article basically proves everything you have been told in this thread: No regular combat, only a few test sorties by prototypes, no squadron deployment.
the night raid i knew I have a book about them and it says right here that the dornier flew 2 times one night raid and the day one so yea i woundn't say somthing like thar unless i knew and im sorry about the hurris tempast
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Some ones been watching the history channel alittle to much. Wikipedia and History channel are kown to give false information. I suggest you read up on some history before trying to say something that isnt true. You're starting to remind me of the kid who said the Sherman CV Firefly had a flamethrower.
The Do-335 saw VERY limited combat, all the ones that did were prototypes that were attacked by allied aircraft while doing flight tests.
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Bosco's wrong about this just as he was about the speed of sound being constant at all altitudes. Kids and television ...
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Bosco,
Once again, the N1K2-J saw significant combat from January, 1945 to the end of the war. They were production fighters flown in squadron strength.
For some reason you are picking out the N1K2-J, yet the C.205, Ta152, F4U-1C and Seafire Mk II all had lower production totals than the N1K2-J. But all of those fighters were production aircraft that had one or more squadrons equipped with them.
You are trying to say that the 400+ production N1K2-Js are the same as 3 or 4 Do335 prototypes.
The A7M2 (7 prototypes, as I recall) is a much closer claim to the Do335 and we'll never see either in AH.
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One should not rely on wikipedia for facts
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it never saw combat, it will never be in aces high, 38 were made, and yeah, ur retarded bosco. Why do u want it anyway, so u can run from fights at 474 mph?
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that is what i would use it for
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Would make a fine hi alt recon plane :)
Oh wait thats what at AR234 is lol
Having said that I would love to se this plane just for the cool factor. I agree that it doesnt meet the criteria but oh well its a wish forum. Just give it a 262ish perk cost to eliminate the most of the dweebery.:D Was ahead of its time and a design that I feel should have been explored more.
CFYA
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hey did every1 know that hitler thought his air force was the best and cancelled the 262 and other jets early in the war? what an idiot.
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Originally posted by Pannono
hey did every1 know that hitler thought his air force was the best and cancelled the 262 and other jets early in the war? what an idiot.
Is it September yet? :cry
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Originally posted by Pannono
it never saw combat, it will never be in aces high, 38 were made, and yeah, ur retarded bosco. Why do u want it anyway, so u can run from fights at 474 mph?
i enjoy hte fact that u think im retarded as ur a dumboscar ur self the reson i would want it is becuse i want somthing that will last on fuel and turn more reliable so mayby u should think about what ur saying it may not fly in AH but it was a try (what im saying is that i want somthing better than the ME-262 and the Me163
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Originally posted by CFYA
Would make a fine hi alt recon plane :)
Oh wait thats what at AR234 is lol
Having said that I would love to se this plane just for the cool factor. I agree that it doesnt meet the criteria but oh well its a wish forum. Just give it a 262ish perk cost to eliminate the most of the dweebery.:D Was ahead of its time and a design that I feel should have been explored more.
CFYA
thats what ive been tring to get acreoss these people it may not ahve flown but its a great great incredible fighter had alot of guns and would shake off anyone at anybase it would be great defending lets say 250 for perks
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This is a highly educational thread. Thank you Bosco.
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Seems there's 3 requirements for any potential aircraft if it is to ever be considered for inclusion into this game.
Doing a search would probably yield this information.
Larry already touched on these. This is why he brought this up:
1) It must be a production craft
No prototypes, no 1-off, no field-modded planes. Must be modeled as it came off the production line
2) It must have served in unit strength
No planes where only 1 flew in a mixed squadron. It has to have been numerous enough to at least fill an entire unit of the same plane.
3) It must have seen action
It must have seen actual combat. No training craft. No unarmed recon craft. No scout planes that were never used. This is why we most likely won't ever get the F8F or the F7F, because neither saw combat. Do-335 prototypes might have done some weapons testing (but records are scarce to say the least) but the production units saw no action at all. They never made it to the pilots.
The Do-335 fails on #1, it fails on #2, and it fails on #3 (not counting prototypes, because they wouldn't be included anyway).
So, if any one of those criteria is not met, you will almost never see that plane included in this game. The plane you suggested meets none of the criteria.
P.S. I've always been a fan of the Pfeil, though. Ungainly, and yet so fast.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Seems there's 3 requirements for any potential aircraft if it is to ever be considered for inclusion into this game.
WRONG
The three are: -
1) Has to look cool
2) Has to be fast
3) Has to have big guns or bombs
The rest does not matter. :furious :mad: :furious :mad:
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Originally posted by Furball
WRONG
The three are: -
1) Has to look cool
2) Has to be fast
3) Has to have big guns or bombs
The rest does not matter. :furious :mad: :furious :mad:
You forgot
4) Has to be american.
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Originally posted by Larry
You forgot
4) Has to be american.
P-63 ..... Anyone?
:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by Larry
Some ones been watching the history channel alittle to much. Wikipedia and History channel are kown to give false information. I suggest you read up on some history before trying to say something that isnt true. You're starting to remind me of the kid who said the Sherman CV Firefly had a flamethrower.
Originally posted by Meatwad \
One should not rely on wikipedia for facts
Many of the airplane pages on wikipedia aren't bad, but you should go to the source info, if its there. If its not there then they aren't trustworthy.
Another issue: Where is there hard performance data on this aircraft?
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Originally posted by Larry
You forgot
4) Has to be american.
LOL yes... :D
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i just thought i could bing it up as itseems no one has ever talked about it before and it gives u a more educational learning experiance and furball as i just said it tought some people
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I doubt you could find a "wonderbird" that hasn't been brought up. Do335 is one of the most common.
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
Many of the airplane pages on wikipedia aren't bad, but you should go to the source info, if its there. If its not there then they aren't trustworthy.
Another issue: Where is there hard performance data on this aircraft?
its all in that wikapidia part if you need anymore ill send you privetly a story about them in a book
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We need the B-29.
I want it NOW.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
by ht etime it acually was flying the war was almost over that is why it never saw sqadrons and thier was only 2 acually fling by the end of the war
Which is why it will never be in the game. I hear they have it in IL2:1946 though.
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Originally posted by Bosco123
its all in that wikapidia part if you need anymore ill send you privetly a story about them in a book
Note to world:
Wikipedia, while entertaining and a good way to avoid work, is NOT AN AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE.
For that matter, not much on the internet is either.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Note to world:
Wikipedia, while entertaining and a good way to avoid work, is NOT AN AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE.
For that matter, not much on the internet is either.
Even Krusty?
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Originally posted by Furball
Even Krusty?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Bronk
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Originally posted by Karnak
I doubt you could find a "wonderbird" that hasn't been brought up. Do335 is one of the most common. [/QUOThttp://www.geocities.com/asymmetrics/bv141.htmE] How about this wonder then?
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Originally posted by Karnak
I doubt you could find a "wonderbird" that hasn't been brought up. Do335 is one of the most common.
ttp://www.geocities.com/asymmetrics/bv141.htm maybe this time it will work sorry.
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http://www.geocities.com/asymmetrics/bv141.htm Read about the wing tip nacelle that they attached on a b17 at Wright field Here in Ohio I would like to see pictures of that. Sorry for the screw up on my other attempts guys.