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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Vulcan on June 10, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
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First I was really disappointed to find a squad trying to capture bases by simple using kameikazi bomber formations at low altitude. What made it worse was the 52nd Kiwi guys are (supposedly) from my home country, it used to be once such gamey play was above this squad. Not anymore I guess.
Second I was extremely disappointed by a top ranked pilot who upon seeing my 190 with marginally more altitude than his ran in his P-51D immediately to the nearest Veh Base ack. Not only that, but he hugged the ack so tightly he blew all his E and altitude. But there were only two acks which I promptly disabled, and shortly afterwards killed him in a way that would only usually befit a total newbie death.
This guy was ranked in the top 250 overall, and the top 150 fighters. Yet obviously he was a skill-less dweeb (also noted he had ammo left as he tried to spray at me once just before he died). sktazman, it was just you and I there, are you that bad you cannot go 1 on 1 in a pony vs 190 fight? I'm no ace, I rank somewhere in the mid-2000's, so I find such behaviour sad, and I would be ashamed to act such a way myself.
to all those newbies that put up a decent fight. Shame on you gamey vets.
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who was the pony pilot pm me so we can have a talk considering i know alot of guys who fit your discreption but do not match your story
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Rank means nothing except to people who pointlessly persue it.
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Originally posted by evenhaim
who was the pony pilot pm me so we can have a talk considering i know alot of guys who fit your discreption but do not match your story
The name is the text :)
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cc ty shame on you tazman
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I've recently run into a vet that I used to have some respect for porking bases in the far corners of the maps. This is a guy thats been in the top 10-20 overall in the past. We've met in three different plane match-ups and, while he's decent he's nothing special. I've won every encounter.
BTW, the guy you were talking about only seems willing to fight with a big alt advantage. I've run into him a few times recently too. Once I was in a Spit XVI, dove in on him from above and as I was closing he flew straight into a mountainside in his runstang. I had a good laugh.
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Just a thought beyond a video game point of view, and I know score means squat, BUT, some pilots are successful because the don't just jump into a fight because there is another plane there, but rather weigh the situation and base the decision to fight or run on aspects that the opponent might not have.
I have no first hand knowledge of this fight, but it caught my attention because more and more I see people on 200 and on the forum crying that people ran from a fight.
I have, however, seen people crying on 200 channel to an enemy pilot that retreated from a fight. "Ahh, ya wuss. Run away. What a wimp." etc, etc. As the friendly he and his 5 buddies chase the single plane across the map. DUH ! ! ! And I have seen a pilot with a 2000 (+/-) score dive into a fight where there were 3 or more planes and get his . . . . . rudder shot off. Guess we know why he has such a low score.
If someone retreats from a fight, it is usually because he doesn't feel confident enough about the outcome to push the issue. Gee, fighting smart. Now there is a reason to rip on a guy. Aircraft with a better position would be a good reason to opt out of that situation.
126 kills versus 49 deaths is in my opinion, not a "skill-less dweeb", but rather that comment from a 40 kills to 30 deaths pilot is.
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
126 kills versus 49 deaths is in my opinion, not a "skill-less dweeb", but rather that comment from a 40 kills to 30 deaths pilot is.
pwned.
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If someone retreats from a fight, it is usually because he doesn't feel confident enough about the outcome to push the issue. Gee, fighting smart. Now there is a reason to rip on a guy. Aircraft with a better position would be a good reason to opt out of that situation.
Come on ... think about that ... what the heck does one have to lose trying to fight from a disadvantage ?
Next months rent/mortgage ?
Next weeks pay ?
Your first born ?
Really ... ya lose a pixelated life and in the total scheme of life ... it means absolutely NOTHING.
If I ran from every disadvantage ... in this game ... and in life ... I would be living under a rock with moss growing on my back.
Fighting from a disadvantage is how one learns and gets better ... if you can swallow your pixelated pride ... you will become a better player/fighter in this "game" ... which has no bearing on your REAL life.
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Humm, Slapshot, let me say again:
Just a thought beyond a video game point of view
AND,
some pilots are successful because the don't just jump into a fight because there is another plane
AND,
If someone retreats from a fight, it is usually because he doesn't feel confident enough about the outcome to push the issue.
And finally,
126 kills versus 49 deaths is in my opinion, not a "skill-less dweeb", but rather that comment from a 40 kills to 30 deaths pilot is.
You said,
if you can swallow your pixelated pride ... you will become a better player/fighter in this "game"
Seems he has a good grip on it all ready.
LTARsqrl <>
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What's so wrong about running when you don't have the advantage? The bottom line is to get kills not be killed doing something stupid. Do you really think that the guys with the big fighter ranks jump into every engagement they see? They get the good kill to death ratios because they fly smart. Besides, its his 15 bucks a month to play the game anyway he chooses.
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Originally posted by uptown
. . . its his 15 bucks a month to play the game anyway he chooses.
Sums it up nicely.
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
I have no first hand knowledge of this fight, but it caught my attention because more and more I see people on 200 and on the forum crying that people ran from a fight.
He had rudder, he had all his control surfaces (no visible damage + the from rate of turn over the VB it was obvious). He also had ammo as he did try to shoot at me. I was the only red guy in the area.
The only excuse he could throw into the ring was a marginal altitude difference.
LTARsqrl, if I were so worried about my K/D ratio in the MA perhaps I would spend more time on it. However, I have other priorities in life. MA is for practise, FSO and events for the real fun.
However, if you want to talk scores, lets look at some of my scores shall we?
Tour 12 Fighter, Kills 300, ratio 2:26, rank 52
Tour 25 Fighter, Kills 230, ratio 2:40 rank 3
Tour 28 Fighter, Kills 445, ratio 2.75 rank 62
Tour 32 Fighter, Kills 238, ratio 5.67 rank 68
Tour 36 Fighter, Kills 481, ratio 5.26 rank 93
get the idea ltarsqrl? Next time you want to call someone out on their score it pays to do some checking properly.
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Originally posted by uptown
Besides, its his 15 bucks a month to play the game anyway he chooses.
Doesn't make any less shameful, nor something to be proud of. I'm not screaming at these people to stop doing it, merely pointing out how on earth can they hold their heads with any pride up in game? OK maybe they have no pride, that would explain a lot these days...
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I tell ya....some take this GAME way to seriously.
As for the rank and point thingy........Update from the who cares department.
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Vulcan,
LTARsqrl, if I were so worried about my K/D ratio in the MA perhaps I would spend more time on it. However, I have other priorities in life. MA is for practise, FSO and events for the real fun.
And making a post like this is for fun? :rolleyes:
Vulcan, you were the one that refered to your opponent asa skill-less dweeb
SKTazman 126/39 (Nice Tazman)
Next time you want to call someone out on their score it pays to do some checking properly.
Yes it does, doesn't it.
LTARsqrl <>
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Well my impression is that his K/D is no reflection of his skill from that 1 engagement. I could wager a guess at how he has acheived his kills to date even.
I posted this because I think it is disappointing that people fly like this. I can understand running if: you're badly damaged; you have no ammo; you are outnumbered (heavily). He was none of those. It is pretty sad when someone who plays this game does not relish the simple pleasure of a 1 on 1 fight. Perhaps he would be better suited playing a game where he can turn the AI skill level down?
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OK, my mistake. This is a "Play your way, or the wrong way" thread. :aok
LTARsqrl <> :noid
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Originally posted by LTARsqrl
OK, my mistake. This is a "Play your way, or the wrong way" thread. :aok
LTARsqrl <> :noid
Yes I'm sure it is :) What was I thinking expecting people would be willing to fight 1 on 1 :rolleyes: (especially an LTAR)
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LTARs don't fly. Just ask anybody. :p
Your going to find all kinds of pilots. Cautious pilots, and aggressive pilots. Don't fault any particular type because they don't fly "your way". Each has his/her own style and it seems SKTazman's style works for him.
LTARsqrl <>
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That pilot was just a cautious one, who may rely more on finding advantageous positions than on ACM.
People have different skills and different preferences.
This one obviosly made an error in judgement, you hunted him down and killed him. No big deal.
Personally I find it rather strange when people use the words "shameful" "proud" or "be a man" in regards to cartoon airplane video games...
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Originally posted by SlapShot
If someone retreats from a fight, it is usually because he doesn't feel confident enough about the outcome to push the issue. Gee, fighting smart. Now there is a reason to rip on a guy. Aircraft with a better position would be a good reason to opt out of that situation.
Come on ... think about that ... what the heck does one have to lose trying to fight from a disadvantage ?
Next months rent/mortgage ?
Next weeks pay ?
Your first born ?
Really ... ya lose a pixelated life and in the total scheme of life ... it means absolutely NOTHING.
If I ran from every disadvantage ... in this game ... and in life ... I would be living under a rock with moss growing on my back.
Fighting from a disadvantage is how one learns and gets better ... if you can swallow your pixelated pride ... you will become a better player/fighter in this "game" ... which has no bearing on your REAL life.
you nailed it. thanks for posting that. to the "smart" fighters.
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Once again, another pointless whine about how someone doesn't play the game the way you want them to.
What doesn't occur to some clowns is, the other guy may have had any number of circumstances that impacted his decision to fight or flight. And the way he gets HIS jollies from the game many influence that as well. But from one encounter you decide he's not worth his score or that he's a "skill-less dweeb". It was that initial insult that tipped me off to the fact this was a worthless post from the get go. Waaaaaaa, crybaby.
There are times I just love to make some idiot chase me all over. The game then is to not let him off the hook, just keep wiggling your tail and let him think he has a chance till he runs out of gas. That's more fun than shooting him down sometimes. Depends on the situation and my mood. Point is, from one encounter with someone, and without knowing what he knows/likes/wants, you can't tell what kind of pilot he is, or what his prefered game play is all about.
We all think from time to time "I wish that guy would stop running, turn and fight". But I don't presume to try and insult him into a different action, and I certainly wouldn't bore everyone by posting about it.
So, you don't like what he does and don't respect him. That's fine, and you're entitled to think that. Make all the snap judgements about people you want for all I care. Just don't think posting your worthless opinion earns YOU any respect from anybody.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Personnaly I find it rather strange when people use the words "shameful" "proud" or "be a man" in regards to cartoon airplane video games...
Agreed. :lol
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There are two things that really amaze me in this.
1 - Almost everyone says rank means nothing and continue by saying they have a high rank, kill/death ration to prove it.
2 - That people care so much about what others do or do not do.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Personally I find it rather strange when people use the words "shameful" "proud" or "be a man" in regards to cartoon airplane video games...
Agree as well, Lusche. I'm into the game, just not that much into it.
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Once I was in a Spit XVI, dove in on him from above and as I was closing he flew straight into a mountainside in his runstang.
And your actually proud of diving in on a p51 in a uber 16. I really get a big crack out of nooblings whining when they fly uber planes with advantage onto the likes of p51 and expect it to fight. Seems to me the dummy is the one that thinks a p51 will turnfight an uber16.
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out of all the flying habits that get called dweeby (Hoing, picking, vulching, etc.) people running to hide in ack annoys me the most.
staying close to base for defense isn't horrible or unexpected. but running a sector from a fight to hide in some ack is just wasting everyones time.
wasn't so bad till the ack guns got frisky and multiplied like rabbits.
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i can pretty much sum up the avg AH player nowadays...
grab a pony, 190, la7
get 15k above the furball and make 15 lame attempts at a cherrypick..
when the enemy has co E point nose down and run back to friendly horde..
after giving the enemy the "slip" in your gaggle of hoing hurris and nikis, reaquire target and shoot him in the back with a long stream..be careful to hit every little part so you can claim your awesome victory...
:rolleyes: its your "15 bux"
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Originally posted by uptown
What's so wrong about running when you don't have the advantage? The bottom line is to get kills not be killed doing something stupid. Do you really think that the guys with the big fighter ranks jump into every engagement they see? They get the good kill to death ratios because they fly smart. Besides, its his 15 bucks a month to play the game anyway he chooses.
#2 in fighters right now (grrr fester :cool: ), and I'll hop into just about any fight as long as I'm not 100% likely to be gangbanged. I don't mind blowing a whole wad of E to fight a 1v2. I'll probably win. I wouldn't say I fly very smart. Not everyone with a good fightar scoar actually cares about dying. I don't start "flying smart" until I decide I want to land 20 or 30 scalps. And even then, I usually get bored with it and wind up ganged or picked.
Originally posted by Pawz
And your actually proud of diving in on a p51 in a uber 16. I really get a big crack out of nooblings whining when they fly uber planes with advantage onto the likes of p51 and expect it to fight. Seems to me the dummy is the one that thinks a p51 will turnfight an uber16.
I would. Granted I fly the K4, but I'll pull angles with a spixteen any time. It's actually easier in a 51. Just about everyone that flies the thing sucks horribly... it's easier than fighting a good stick 1v1 in the same plane.
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On the Lighter Side........
All you High scorer's out there need to be a little grateful for the Half prettythang'ed flyer's like me. (Kills: 3 or 4 Deaths: I lost count) Without us...you wouldn't have the bragging rights.
:rofl :rofl (Hey...if you can't laugh at yourself....you got no buisness laughing at all)
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Originally posted by Lusche
That pilot was just a cautious one, who may rely more on finding advantageous positions than on ACM.
People have different skills and different preferences.
This one obviosly made an error in judgement, you hunted him down and killed him. No big deal.
Personally I find it rather strange when people use the words "shameful" "proud" or "be a man" in regards to cartoon airplane video games...
You got it man.... Hit it dead on....
I like flying into a heavily defended target.... If I get shot down, SO WHAT!!
It's just a game..... Sometimes I even get away with it... Then I have a good laugh.... But then again, I have a real life.....
OG
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Originally posted by Pawz
And your actually proud of diving in on a p51 in a uber 16. I really get a big crack out of nooblings whining when they fly uber planes with advantage onto the likes of p51 and expect it to fight. Seems to me the dummy is the one that thinks a p51 will turnfight an uber16.
Hmm. Missed the part where I said I was "proud" and I didn't whine. I just said it happened and I thought it was funny. I also don't recall calling anyone a dummy.
noobling? Somehow I don't think 11 years qualifies me as a noobling anymore. And BTW, I out-dueled a Spit XVI with a P-51D just a couple of days ago in a one on one.
Other recent one-on-one surprise turn-fight wins (me in the first aircraft listed);
BF110-G2 vs La-7
BF110-G2 vs FW190-D9
F6F-5 vs Spit IX
P-51D vs Spit VIII
Yak-9U vs BF109-F4.
Might as well just fight instead of run. It's a lot more fun.
I think you might want to take a little more time in the future to actually comprehend what you read before commenting on it.
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Ya know after my cousin just recently having a brain tumor removed, my brother being in Iraq, and other stuff happening in my life, whether or not I play a game in a manner that keeps the masses happy is pretty low on my priority list. I play to have fun, if by doing so makes some unhappy, thats life. There are bigger battles to fight, chose them wisely.
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Some will, some won't, who cares, who's next.
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If co-alt one-on-one it seems rather silly to decline the fight. But whatever floats your boat. Personally, the only time I'd decline a one-on-one in my Yak-9T is if I was low on fuel. Greater E doesn't send me running - you have to burn much of it to really engage anyway.
Frankly, when I find a one-on-one I rejoice; 75% of the time I seem to be in a very target rich environment (i.e. I'm the target) or in the middle of the worst famine is history as far as opponents go, with everyone chasing a mere illusion of enemy meat.
The MA hasn't impressed me at all since coming back. There seems to be a higher percentage of kids than when I left which kind of spoils the immersion (no offence intended, but the squeaky voices do get rather tiresome after a bit). Perhaps I need to get in a squad and see if that improves things.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Hmm. Missed the part where I said I was "proud" and I didn't whine. I just said it happened and I thought it was funny. I also don't recall calling anyone a dummy.
noobling? Somehow I don't think 11 years qualifies me as a noobling anymore. And BTW, I out-dueled a Spit XVI with a P-51D just a couple of days ago in a one on one.
Other recent one-on-one surprise turn-fight wins (me in the first aircraft listed);
BF110-G2 vs La-7
BF110-G2 vs FW190-D9
F6F-5 vs Spit IX
P-51D vs Spit VIII
Yak-9U vs BF109-F4.
Might as well just fight instead of run. It's a lot more fun.
I think you might want to take a little more time in the future to actually comprehend what you read before commenting on it.
The Spit IX was me. That was a pretty good fight if I remember it right.
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Originally posted by Zippy41
The Spit IX was me. That was a pretty good fight if I remember it right.
Well, we may have fought with that match-up (I've been mixing it up more and more in the F6F-5 lately) but the fight I was thinking of was against Bearcatt in the MWA.
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Originally posted by Sloehand
Once again, another pointless whine about how someone doesn't play the game the way you want them to.
What doesn't occur to some clowns is.... blah blah blah
You completely overlook the fact that he died. I killed him. I got the kill. He died still circling his ack which I had disabled (and he seemed fairly ignorant of that fact).
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I don't think anyone over looked it. More like they don't care who won. Mainly because this post is a "He didn't do what I wanted him to" post. This wouldn't even be an issue if that ack had killed you now would it?
It is impossible to talk about what someone else should or should not have done since you don't have any clue as to what was going on in the other plane. As many have said in this post, real life is vastly more important.
What if he was flying along and his wife comes in and starts firing shots at him when you show up? So now he is getting shot at from you and the wife. He thinks, heck, just run to the ack and deal with the wife. Poor guy then gets shot down from in front, AND behind. Poor guy is dodging wife ack when you six him then start a whine post. :rofl
Just one of a million possible things that might have happened. And I know that there are three sides to every story. Your side, his side and then there is the truth which likes somewhere in between.
But after when all is said and done, this post boils down to a whine, then an insult followed by attempts to justify it. Time to get back behind the spinny thing and let me shoot you down. :aok
LTARsqrl <>
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Fighting from a disadvantage is how one learns and gets better ... if you can swallow your pixelated pride ... you will become a better player/fighter in this "game" ... which has no bearing on your REAL life.
What he said. :aok
Regards,
Sun
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Ya know this thread might have been amusing if you had just stated that you observed a players actions and blah blah blah. You singled out a certain person and that is NOT cool. We've all run to ack or tried to fly smart on some occasions and just because it happened to you, it's not the end of the world or game. Ya just gotta let it go bro! My only problem with your thread is that you chose to belittle a player in an attempt to bring contempt against him and you don't know the circumstances of his flight. This could have been handled in PM mode and not the entire BBS population mode. We all have had issues with one or more players but the majority just don't air their dirty laundry on the BBS.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Originally posted by Vulcan
You completely overlook the fact that he died. I killed him. I got the kill. He died still circling his ack which I had disabled (and he seemed fairly ignorant of that fact).
Actually I didn't. I know you said you killed him, but you still complained about how he was playing the game while you did it, which makes your whine ever more pointless.