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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Motherland on June 11, 2007, 09:38:26 PM
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Ive been playing Aces High for 6 months (well, you could say 1, because the 5 I was with the Bishops I learned absolutely nothing... the first night I was with the Rooks my skill in a fighter at least doubled...). My main role is a level bomber pilot, but I love the Messerschmitt Bf 109, particularly the G series, particularly the G-14. My problem is that Im bad at shooting people down in them. I can fly them, I just cant apply what I know in a combat situation. Thats my problem with pretty much any plane I fly, except for bombers. I see these people with like 10/1 k/d's and like 1000's of kills a tour in the 109 series, well, I want to be able to do that. Not even that, but to be able to land a sortie in one with more than 3 kills :rofl . Im only 13, but Im certainly no squeaker, and Im not an arrogant little ball of .... like many of my peers. If anyone has any hints or guides for me to read, or, even would like to tutor me (school's out, so I can fly any time), that would be greatly appreciated by me, and the next 109 that will have the disfortune of having me in its cockpit.
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The Gustav is a fine aircraft, good choice.
This thread:
-Here- (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=207635)
Has some useful information in it.
I've written on the K4 in there, but the G-14 is very simmilar.... slower, better turner but has lots of handling similarities.
In-game name is Archaius... if you see me on say hello and we can wing up or you can join me... perhaps I can show you a few entry level tricks.
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I keep putting off making a thread regarding the 109. Whenever I get around to it, I'll have films and explanations of some more advanced stuff. Hopefully I'll get to it in the next few weeks. In the meantime, just work on your gunnery with 30mm. Anything a good 109 stick can teach you is pretty much worthless if you can't hit anything with taters. Missed shots kill me a whole hell of a lot more often than my flying.
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**cough** you need a squad? **cough**
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The good thing about the G-14 is the 20mm. If you're no good with the 30mm take the 20mm. You can still get a few kills with that.
Don't spray. Only shoot when you think you're going to hit. This applies for either 20mm or 30mm. If you want to learn with the 30mm just use it. If you get 1 kill in a sortie (at first) consider it a victory. Once your aim is better start firing only 1-2 rounds at a time. Eventually you'll be able to land well over 8 kills without reloading. I once landed 8 in a K-4, and half of those were bombers. With only fighters you could get more.
If you're dogfighting don't take wing gondolas. Just don't. Not only do they weigh you down, they slow you down, reduce acceleration, reduce climb rate, reduce top speed, basically they hurt every area that the 109 counts as a strength. Only use them unless you are planning on flying a different style, or are hunting bomber.
It's a good plane. Below 17k or so it's only about 10-15mph slower than the K-4, and down low it even climbs better than the K-4. Also try the G-2 and F-4 if you have time/energy.
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I chose the G-14 over the K-4 just for maneuverability issues (though I'll come back to my K-4 when I get better :aok)
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I notice very little difference between the two. Both seem equally manuverable, but then this is just my opinion. I've not done any testing.
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Thanks for the thread, Xasthur. My ingame screen-name is 762R (couldnt think of anything at the time), if I see you Ill say something. wETRAT: Ive been practicing off-line with the MK 108. Im getting better with it, but its still hard to hit someone whilst they're maneuvering. By the way- about a month ago, I started recording my sorties to analyze my... failures. I have footage of you shooting me down :rofl (if your ingame name is the same as your name here, that is). Spikey thanks for the offer. Im just going to fly 'lone wolf' for a little bit. But perhaps you could answer me this- there are like 3 squads named 352nd (x). Whats with that? Krusty: I think Ive only loaded a Gustav with gondolas once, and that was just, "I wonder if it will be all that bad?"- it was. Ive thought about the G2 and the F4, but only having two 8mm's and a 20mm kinda scares me, since 8mm's are pretty worthless and one 20mm just... doesnt seem all that reassuring. Theres just something about the G14 that I like more than the K4... although everything I read says that the only constant advantage of the G14 is a slight turn advantage, it just feels better to fly for some reason. It seems to be a bit more forgiving in a stall (though this is probably completley wrong), and I can actually see the cannon counter without adjusting my view. Ive been getting better over the past few days, Ive probably had like... .65 kpd, maybe a little higher today. I love coming against Ponies, they all seem so easy.
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I find the G14 a bit more forgiving than the K4 as well, but that's probably only due to the extra torque the K4 puts out on WEP. That said, if you spend enough time in 109's, that *slight* difference in maneuverability is a non-factor. You get a feel for them, and will rarely if ever snaproll/stall. K4 is the better plane; less stuff can run from you, you can hang nose-up (I mean slightly, not straight up) under 150mph longer (very useful when making spits/nikis/etc overshoot), and accelerate back to match their speed faster. Now, you're not at the point where any of that matters, except the top-speed I suppose. Whatever you're more comfortable with.
762R look familiar.. I don't doubt you passed through my kill buffer :aok Just stick with it... if you're willing to learn by fighting everything in sight, and don't worry about getting shot down, you'll get there eventually.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Theres just something about the G14 that I like more than the K4... although everything I read says that the only constant advantage of the G14 is a slight turn advantage, it just feels better to fly for some reason.
You are not alone. While the mesurable differences in maneuverability are quite small, I feel definiteley more comfortable when dogfighting in a G14 than in a K4. Also I do actually prefer the 20mm for killing fighters.
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Originally posted by Lusche
...20mm for killing fighters.
:huh
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Originally posted by Lusche Also I do actually prefer the 20mm for killing fighters. [/B]
:lol
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Originally posted by wetrat
:lol
Not everybody can hit a high angle snapshot at D400 with the 30mm ;)
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20mm are good for use against fighters. I just wish the G6 and G14 had the 200-round option!!
We've been asking for it for YEARS!
I tend to miss more with 30mm, and normally prefer the 20mm hub gun, but even missing more, that 1-hit-kill is such a pretty thing that I take 30mm more often nowadays :D
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Originally posted by Motherland
Spikey thanks for the offer. Im just going to fly 'lone wolf' for a little bit. But perhaps you could answer me this- there are like 3 squads named 352nd (.
yeah, there is some noob who has one...
my squads are:
352nd Fighter Group
and
352nd Tactical Group
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Originally posted by Lusche
Not everybody can hit a high angle snapshot at D400 with the 30mm ;)
And you ain't gonna learn by using 20mm :aok
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Originally posted by wetrat
And you ain't gonna learn by using 20mm :aok
After 630 kills and 115 deaths in K4, I have a rough idea were my strenghts are. 20mm suits me more for pure fightercombat. :aok
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Originally posted by Lusche
After 630 kills and 115 deaths in K4, I have a rough idea were my strenghts are.
Thoroughly impressed :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by wetrat
Thoroughly impressed :rolleyes:
Apparently you are quite easily to impress. Or did you just not get the fact that this was not meant to impress anybody?
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Originally posted by Lusche
After 630 kills and 115 deaths in K4, I have a rough idea were my strenghts are. 20mm suits me more for pure fightercombat. :aok
After pwning a 109E that came in a 20k that tryed to pick my Jug I know where my strengths are to:aok
Just Playing:D
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Originally posted by Husky01
After pwning a 109E that came in a 20k that tryed to pick my Jug I know where my strengths are to:aok
Just Playing:D
It was a 109F. My alt was 16.7, your 13.8. I came in from your front quarter, so not really a pick ;)
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Originally posted by Lusche
It was a 109F. My alt was 16.7, your 13.8. I came in from your front quarter, so not really a pick ;)
:p
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Ive been getting better with the MK 108, but I still need practice. Ive been defending CV-beseiged bases, which is great because Hogs cant see me coming up behind them, and Zekes will just burst into flames whether I hit them with taters or the 13mm's. The problem Im having is getting people off my six, perhaps one of you could give me some strategies for this.
A little moral booster on one of my B-26 sorties:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/ahss25.jpg?t=1181964750)
Look at the kill buffer :aok
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Bring a bomb on your 109 and kill a GV then help vulch :)
Good fun but I do suk at turn fighting a 109 . This was a 109G2 with only 200 rounds cannon at start .
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1007_1179866660_9in109g2.jpg)
To all that can turn fight one . I can rope , drag and bag , vulch and pick but not turn fight one worth a dang .
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Ive been diving into furballs and then turnfighting (Ive found the Gustave can do it pretty well with a notch of flaps), or sticking around high and turnfighting with the BnZ-ing 190's. Turnfightings just in my blood, I guess. Ill eventually break the habit though.
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Originally posted by Motherland
Ive been diving into furballs and then turnfighting (Ive found the Gustave can do it pretty well with a notch of flaps), or sticking around high and turnfighting with the BnZ-ing 190's. Turnfightings just in my blood, I guess. Ill eventually break the habit though.
Why? 109's are plenty capable of turn-fighting. I'll pull angles with anything but a hurri or zeke. Just get things slow enough to drop flaps.
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109's Rule :aok