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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kami on June 12, 2007, 12:43:30 PM
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Is there a way that htc could code the game so that if no one is spawning at a field or perhaps within a certain distance to it (6 k) that you don't get points for destroying the objects. That should help with milkrunning problems I think. What's everyones opinions on this.
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Cool. Kinda defending a target by just NOT defending it. ;)
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If no one is around to defend a target within 3k then YOU take the damage.
There, top that one.
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HT secretly sneaks into eveyones homes, hanging a booby-trapped 5 gallon bucket of spoiled milk over their computer chairs, tripped to go off anytime they purposefully milk a target.
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Want HTC to just play the game for you? That would solve all the "problems" wouldn't it?
Defend the base, simple solution. If you can't get someone to defend the base then That is a Far Far bigger problem than the guy attacking it.
All your solutions are built into the game. HT coded enough ordinance and planes to allow you to solve your problem. Up to you to solve it if you think it's that important.
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The solution is easy. Remove scoring for milkrunning completly. What do you need score for attacking a building anyway? What does that show?
Keep the scoring for captures and moving objects. Killing a building should mean nothing as far as score goes. Attack should score vs GVs and fightervs planes
Now, for bombers leave it as is or find a way to incorporate their damage to a base capture. (Heavy bombers. Not anything that can cary a bomb)
Having to wait for a serten map to come on so you can take a PT at a city by the lake to fire a couple of rockets and be 733t score tard is kind of ridicilus.
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Milkrunning is just 1 facet to this game that is enjoyed by many. Although I don't have the patients to milkrun and I am personally not bothered by people who do.
Dedalos
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Originally posted by SEraider
Milkrunning is just 1 facet to this game that is enjoyed by many. Although I don't have the patients to milkrun and I am personally not bothered by people who do.
Dedalos
Hey raider, how are ya? Sory no DA but can't play AH on new pluter.
I don't care about milk runners either. They are good target paractice. But, if score is going to mean something, they have to stop or the scoring system has to change.
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Originally posted by Kami
Is there a way that htc could code the game so that if no one is spawning at a field or perhaps within a certain distance to it (6 k) that you don't get points for destroying the objects. That should help with milkrunning problems I think. What's everyones opinions on this.
There is a distinct difference between milkin it an PORKIN it. Porkin is difficult if you intend to survive where as milkin say an enemy factory behind your own lines, is a walk in the park.
However, having said that BOTH actually need to be done if your a strat player.
BRIEF HISTORY
To capture a field in ye olden day all you had to do was kill ack and land 10 troopers on the field. The little buggers used to run into the tower.
Then towns were added (only 21 structures back then) but if you hit all fuel cells the enemy were restricted to 25% fuel. That was changed to 75% minimum porkage. Then if you killed the barracks you could stall the enemies advance all along their front. That was changed by adding many more barracks.
Also more acks were added to stop just 1 fighter de-acking to set up the vulch.
Salvo calibrated bombing was done away with, I presume to encourage folk to actually calibrate our brand new laser site. Towns were made larger.
HQ was made tougher. No part damage as in dot dar, friendly or otherwise, or no dar bars. It was made all or nothing. Then it was made tougher still. No longer can just 1set of bomber kill HQ.
Vbase VH's have been separated making it a little tricky for 1 bomber to suicide all the hangers in 1 pass.
WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE
Why not make it so at least 1 FH, 1BH, and 1 VH are actually indi-bloody-structable. Add 3 time the ack and make flak panzers cannon proof. Make CV's destrucable by D3A's guns and make SB 16 inch instead of 8Inch.
Double the ammount of supply convoys, trains and barges. Make it so factories have to actually show 0% before they stop supplying. No slow down....I could go on but I won't deprive the needy to add to the thread:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Lusche
Cool. Kinda defending a target by just NOT defending it. ;)
No I mean they can capture it still but they can't get points for it if there is no opposition. So base defense is still important but the points that milkers want is not there anymore. People who are interested in taking bases will still want to to get a strategic advantage.
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Originally posted by dedalos
But, if score is going to mean something, they have to stop or the scoring system has to change.
It's a common myth that you have to be a milkrunner to get a high ranking. I do know a lot of players in the Top 50 who never set a foot into milker's heaven (EW & MW)
(No, I'm not one of them ;) )
And contrary to common belief, it's impossible to get a high overall rank only with milkrunning. You have actually get a good K/D and K/H in Fighter, Attacker and Vehicle mode. Only shooting structures gets you nowhere.
The only category where milkrunning is a "must" if you want to get into the top 3 is the Bomber one.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Salvo calibrated bombing was done away with, I presume to encourage folk to actually calibrate our brand new laser site. Towns were made larger.
We'll never see it again, I'm sure, but I wish we had the calibration method that was in use over 3 years ago. It wouldn't be so easy for me to level-bomb CV's from 8K then.
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Originally posted by Kami
No I mean they can capture it still but they can't get points for it if there is no opposition. So base defense is still important but the points that milkers want is not there anymore. People who are interested in taking bases will still want to to get a strategic advantage.
And when people want to attack strat targets to help their country? You can't capture them.
If no one shows up to defend, you dont get any points. But if some silly noob is trying to get your buffs with his Hurri I but never gets closer than than 3K, you get points?
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Originally posted by Lusche
It's a common myth that you have to be a milkrunner to get a high ranking. I do know a lot of players in the Top 50 who never set a foot into milker's heaven (EW & MW)
And contrary to common belief, it's impossible to get a high overall rank only with milkrunning. You have actually get a good K/D and K/H in Fighter, Attacker and Vehicle mode. Only shooting structures gets you nowhere.
The only category where milkrunning is a "must" if you want to get into the top 3 is the Bomber one.
I am sorry if I left out cherry picking, vulching and spawn camping. The myth is what you described. The only way to get to the top is to engage in some or all of the above activities.
There is no way to get a good K/D in a plane with out vulching and picking.
No way in GVs without spawn camping and milking the city by the lake
Actually, bombing is the only category that milking is not required.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I am sorry if I left out cherry picking, vulching and spawn camping. The myth is what you described. The only way to get to the top is to engage in some or all of the above activities.
There is no way to get a good K/D in a plane with out vulching and picking.
No way in GVs without spawn camping and milking the city by the lake
Actually, bombing is the only category that milking is not required.
That wont work. A squadie or friend will up a GV and just sit inside the VH so your points will count lol
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Originally posted by dedalos
Actually, bombing is the only category that milking is not required.
:rofl
Bombing is the only category where milking is a MUST. Been there, done that.
If you attack targets other than Strat ones, you don't get the needed Hit %. Bombing VH's or FH kills your % on the long run, you can't get a hit% of 900-1100.
You need about 20-30 base captures in buffs. I know where the guys who were #1 & # 2 in buffs last tour did get them. And how :). If you are killed too often, you don't get the neede points/death. If you Take buffs with a smaller payload and / or don't rearm, you don't get the needed points/ sortie.
And as there is no scoring for kills, you don't have any advantage if you actually battle with enemy fighters. You only benefit from avoiding any enemy resistance at every time.
And by the way, I have currently a K/D in vehicles of 8.5. And did not camp a spawn a single time in this tour (yet).
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Wouldn't work anyway. The Milkrunner squads would simply have one guy launch in a vehicle (probably with a shade account) to provide token "opposition" and the milkrunning would continue unabated.
edit->dedalos beat me to it!
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Originally posted by Lusche
:rofl
Bombing is the only category where milking is a MUST. Been there, done that.
If you attack targets other than Strat ones, you don't get the needed Hit %. Bombing VH's or FH kills your % on the long run, you can't get a hit% of 900-1100.
You need about 20-30 base captures in buffs. I know where the guys who were #1 & # 2 in buffs last tour did get them. And how :). If you are killed too often, you don't get the neede points/death. If you Take buffs with a smaller payload and / or don't rearm, you don't get the needed points/ sortie.
And as there is no scoring for kills, you don't have any advantage if you actually battle with enemy fighters. You only benefit from avoiding any enemy resistance at every time.
And by the way, I have currently a K/D in vehicles of 8.5. And did not camp a spawn a single time in this tour (yet).
OK, I guess what I am saing is that buffs have no choice. They have to hit buildings so milk running does not apply to them. There is nothing else for them to do.
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Originally posted by dedalos
That wont work. A squadie or friend will up a GV and just sit inside the VH so your points will count lol
Good point, well I don't really care about it anyway as my score is horrible from being a noob to this game, just a thought that popped into my head when reading a post complaining about it. Didn't mean to stir up anybody.
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Milkrunning was a standard procedure for the lucky B17 crews to reach 24 missions. The 25th was more than not a milkrun. It's part of the game.
Why does it bother so many? The opposite would be called unfair( 5-10 fighters on a buff group) too. But, that's also part of the game.
Oz
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Originally posted by Yknurd
If no one is around to defend a target within 3k then YOU take the damage.
There, top that one.
Undefended Medium Airfield hits YOU for 786 points of damage!
YOU die.
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When the split arenas first came into the game, I tryed the milking thing and found it quite boring and unfulling. But, with that being said, what's the big deal if some joker wants to kill buildings all night long? The dude pays to play the game anyway they choose, as long as it's within the rules.Too many people worry about what the other guy is doing.Play your own game and let them play theirs.
Do what I do, shoot em' down,drop eggs on em' and then take their toys away.They're playing their game, I'm playing mine! :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
Hey raider, how are ya? Sory no DA but can't play AH on new pluter.
I don't care about milk runners either. They are good target paractice. But, if score is going to mean something, they have to stop or the scoring system has to change.
Hey Man I am doing fine thanks. Let me know when your computer is working fine and we'll do the DA thing. Maybe I'll be better competition next time.:O
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Wait wait wait wait...........
MAybe we are all looking at this kinda screwed up.
I think it might be a little unfair for a Noob to come in and expect to furball with vets.
Milkrunning might just be a way for the Noob to get aquainted with AH learning curve. I had to milkrun a little at 1st to understand this game and do a little vulching to get my confidence up.
If we set the barr too high, then we might not have fresh players to keep the game growing.
Keep things the same I say, it is what grew the game.:)
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is bombing random farms/windmills considered milkrunning? :confused:
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Originally posted by Wes14
is bombing random farms/windmills considered milkrunning? :confused:
No it's just considered not being able to find the top secret calibration instructions:lol
Otherwise know as the calibration hack by our younger gamers:rofl
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Originally posted by ozrocker
Milkrunning was a standard procedure for the lucky B17 crews to reach 24 missions. The 25th was more than not a milkrun. It's part of the game.
Why does it bother so many? The opposite would be called unfair( 5-10 fighters on a buff group) too. But, that's also part of the game.
Oz
You are missing the point. The B17s you are talking about were fighting for their lifes. You are playing a game.
Tha point is that the creator of the came thought it important to create a scoring system and rank players. For this scoring system to have any meaning what so ever for the people that care about it, it either has to change or milk running has to stop. Milk running is not going to stop so the system would have to change. Thats all. Nothing against milkrunning or milkrunners.
Good luck with that btw :rofl
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Originally posted by LYNX
No it's just considered not being able to find the top secret calibration instructions:lol
Otherwise know as the calibration hack by our younger gamers:rofl
i never use the bomb sight,i'm just like "looks good enough,LET ER RIP!!" :rofl
maybe thats why i miss the bases and hit the nearby Farm:rofl
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Originally posted by Wes14
i never use the bomb sight,i'm just like "looks good enough,LET ER RIP!!" :rofl
maybe that's why i miss the bases and hit the nearby Farm:rofl
The defendant has changed his plea to insanity me lawd...... :huh
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Theres no solution everyone would be happy with. Picking, milkrunning, ganging, sneak attacks on poorly defended bases, overwhelming numbers, were all things you wanted to do during WWII.
There will always be folks who look at the maps and drool at the easiest targets and those that see a huge red darbar and relish taking on impossible odds. Throw another group of guys in that are looking for straight-up, sportsmanlike fights, now throw in the fact that 1/2 want to win the map while 1/2 just want to furball, divide that by some playing for score, some who could care less about score, and multiply that by the fact that most in here are a mixture of all these groups depending on the mood, and it's a mess.
But, a very fun mess.
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Originally posted by Gulp
Theres no solution everyone would be happy with.
Sure there is. I am only talking about giving some meaning to score other than it being a joke. The people that play for score will be happy, and the ones that dont, well, they wont care anyway :)
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Originally posted by dedalos
Sure there is. I am only talking about giving some meaning to score other than it being a joke. The people that play for score will be happy, and the ones that dont, well, they wont care anyway :)
But, the guys who play for score and rely on milkrunning (plenty of players) won't be happy. No, their opinion ranks lower in my book, but they are still part of "everyone" & they pay their $14.95. :D
I agree that the score and rank as it sits now is all about gaming the game, but I would rather see resources spent on new planes, bug fixes, new maps, ect. before trying to fix the score system short comings.
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If you don't like milkrunning, don't do it. Why does everyone have to have the game coded to force everyone else to play the way they like?
good god man, let it go.
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Originally posted by Kami
Is there a way that htc could code the game so that if no one is spawning at a field or perhaps within a certain distance to it (6 k) that you don't get points for destroying the objects. That should help with milkrunning problems I think. What's everyones opinions on this.
to some it may be milk running.......and yes..just like many many others on these forums, i am guilty of doing this occasionally......but.....tha t is a part of war...and this is a combat sim right? so you want the bad guys to not do their jobs and destroy targets? wow!!! why didn't we think of this waaayyyy back in WW2? or in vietnam? wold've made those wars soooo easy!
HEY!!! GOERING!!! STOP BOMBING LONDON!!!DGANABIT!!!
:rofl :rofl THERE'S NO BAD GUYS THERE!!:noid :noid
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Originally posted by TalonX
If you don't like milkrunning, don't do it. Why does everyone have to have the game coded to force everyone else to play the way they like?
good god man, let it go.
Ah... The voice of reason......
Spot On:aok
But then again some "milker" might have a better score than me because he gamed the game better than I did.. :cry
Wise man recently said "Good god man, let it go"
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If players pay $15 per month just to fly around bombing out of the way targets WHY would HTC want to discourage it?
The only reason there is a scoring system is to make money for HTC.
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Originally posted by LYNX
No slow down....I could go on but I won't deprive the needy to add to the thread:rolleyes:
A man of real compassion! LOL :aok
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Originally posted by TalonX
If you don't like milkrunning, don't do it. Why does everyone have to have the game coded to force everyone else to play the way they like?
good god man, let it go.
Not forcing anyone to do anything. They can still do what they want. They just wont score as high.
This is not about milk running or forcing anyone to play any way. Its about scores having a meaning. Thats why we have them right? Changing the way scores are calculated does not stop anyone from taking a pt and firing rockets on a city. They can still do it.
Everyone gets to play their way. I just dont see why score has to be a joke.
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The joke is believing scores mean something.
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Originally posted by Gumbeau
The joke is believing scores mean something.
DING DING DING!
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Originally posted by Kami
Is there a way that htc could code the game so that if no one is spawning at a field or perhaps within a certain distance to it (6 k) that you don't get points for destroying the objects. That should help with milkrunning problems I think. What's everyones opinions on this.
Is this a joke?? Please tell its a joke LOL Ok I'm laughing....
Better yet...the bombs don't drop on an undefended base due to the base being protected by Jedi Knights and they are using the Force to keep your bombs in the bomb bay...there top that one!
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Originally posted by cleve
Is this a joke?? Please tell its a joke LOL Ok I'm laughing....
Better yet...the bombs don't drop on an undefended base due to the base being protected by Jedi Knights and they are using the Force to keep your bombs in the bomb bay...there top that one!
Sorry I didn't realize that points were so important to you
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Originally posted by Kami
Sorry I didn't realize that points were so important to you
No I think this entire thread is pointless....I pay money to play this game like everyone else here.I sometimes have to fight through fighters to get to a base they may be undefended. If I hit a hangar or any other strategic target I should get points for it...period.
Next thing we know there will be moaning about the clouds being too bright...or the water not blue enough...or Superman deflecting bullets off a target.
Come on guys people are supposed to come to these forums to learn about the game. Yet all we hear is "Skyrock does this....Lynx does this...waaa waaa waaa" These guys are great pilots and they deserve their points...bomber pilots deserve theirs as well.
Am I happy bombing a undefended base...no I like dumb pilots that come up on my six so I can kill them LOL.
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Originally posted by cleve
.....Am I happy bombing a undefended base...no I like dumb pilots that come up on my six so I can kill them LOL.
I don't get it. If you don't like bombing undefended bases, play in the LW areas. It's the folks who hang out in the EW/MW with very little opposition that's the subject here.
Am I missing your point somehow ??
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People can bomb undefended bases offline.
Or in H2H room.
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Yes, but offline bombing lacks the tension, excitement, and dare I say the committment of paying to bomb undefended bases.
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Originally posted by Kami
Is there a way that htc could code the game so that if no one is spawning at a field or perhaps within a certain distance to it (6 k) that you don't get points for destroying the objects. That should help with milkrunning problems I think. What's everyones opinions on this.
Kami OK mate in all seriousness I'll respond as a reasonable person. I see you're new to the boards having signed up just this year. I understand that that doesn't necessary mean your new to the game but I would wager relatively new to a lot who have replied. These boards can be tough, a little disconcerting. Underlined with negativity, sarcasm, insults and on rarer occasion humour.
As you are aware there are furballers and strat players in the game. The "click -fly-die" furballers and the "tool sheaders" strat players. Many other derogatory insults and terms also prevail which in itself is a whole new thread:eek:
As a strat player what point would there be to allowing the destruction of certain targets and not get any points for it? I see none. The target is still destroyed which is a strat players objective.
As a furballer the answer is pretty much the same...None. A furballer is still going to fight even if strats are 100% the whole map over.
As a "score hoar" and, I think this is where you are really aiming, again there is NONE. If you take that aspect of "point collecting" away the scorer is still on an EVEN KEEL with his closest scorer adversary.
So they may not bother going after the Ex-score targets but the "strat players" will or should do:rolleyes: ........ Example would be sailing a CV in for a capture. The capture base and nearest base, usually undefended, will be deprived of ords so's the CV has a fighting chance to see the capture through, before it is sunk.
Friend there is a Ace High MYTH that players on the whole play for points, score and rank. There are indeed these types but they are a very small percentage. Look at yourself and I bet the answer is with the majority, weather a strat player or furballer, and that answer is FUN
:aok
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There is a strategic reason for milk running. If someone bombs a training base (barracks factory, whatever it's called) then the troops in the that zone will be down longer. Same with radar, ammo and ack. Fuel too, but this one doesn't seem to cause much of a problem. Bombing a city affects all of them.
This can work to your advantage when trying to take a base. Or to keep the bad guys from taking one of yours.
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In counterpoint, I flew in the MW last night, and didn't see much to fuss over. Had some very good fights, a higher than usual of them outside of the furball, which was nice.
BTW, to the AK's, particularly AKDogg. )
Yes, there were some that were avoiding anywhere where there was activity, but they were easily ignored - there were enough people playing "fighter pilot" to keep me busy which is all that I ask.
I don't really see that much of a problem here, unless a person is motivated by the scoring aspect of the game and feels cheated when someone else scores in "Easy mode".
Which there is nothing wrong with, I remember playing through Zork trying to get a perfect score and being disgusted by a friend who used a walkthough. I didn't get it then, and still don't really, but he was having fun and so was I. We just enjoyed different aspects of the game play
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Originally posted by Ghastly
I don't really see that much of a problem here, unless a person is motivated by the scoring aspect of the game and feels cheated when someone else scores in "Easy mode".
Bingo.
Confine rank to each separate arena, problem solved.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Ghastly
BTW, to the AK's, particularly AKDogg. )
to U too. I was on a roll lastnight, hehehe.
to Cobia38, Chrispy, JB15 and CFYA for the fun fights. Sry for the instigating on 200.
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Ok ...I got time to waist so here's a AAR (after action report) from a strat players point of view and one with RANK. Sitting in the "ops room" (tower) I take a look at the front and find Bish Strat at 100 %. So I up Lancs with 25% fuel and 14 x1k'ers. Target for today, Bish City. Reason being to slow regain on any factory hit and therefore slow all regains on bish fields. The buggers are going to have to go out their way to resupply Target distance was four sectors.
First sector the climb out in friendly Rook held air space from and there on it was Indian country passing Knights bases V2 and A1. Then into bish air space to the objective. First sector nice easy climb out. Second sector Indian country and I opt to maintain climb until splitting V2 / A1 where I would level for speed then grab after clearing knight held air space. As I approach A1 the inevitable dar bars appeared. I was close to going through the cloud layer at 13.5k when a I spotted a LA7 high at my four Oclock...bugger!. Went level for speed but kept my course. The LA had obviously seen my dar bar and was up for it. LA7 at 15+K tells me....newbie. Sure enough he comes around for a slash attack equal alt. We engage and "bam" I take his tail clean off...phew!.
Back into auto climb I rise 1k instantly and settle back into the climb. I get past knights bases but a dar bar pops on Bish air space. Is that a bish upping from the field ahead or another knight still tracking me. There he is a low LA7 my 6Oclock. "oh bollocks not him again" I think. Maintaining climb and course I await the attack. Have I just pissed away 30 to 40 minutes for a newbie Lgay to get me? "Jesus you newbie prat ain't it clear I ain't attacking the bleedin knights" cursing away unknown to him. I'm like:furious. He's gets to 1.5k out almost equal alt I level off for speed, a tad over 19k. "Right ya barstool, ya in my playground" and switch to number 3 plane rear gun. I wait ..1k wait still as he closes to 1000. Default zoom 800 then he lets rip equal alt dead 6. I return with gusto for 4 or 5 seconds. This bleeder is going with me....."have iiiiiiitttttt".....boom the Lgay atomises.
System reports lead plane rear gunner dead number 2 drone fuel leak. Situation 19,200 ft, 3/4 of tail ammo spent with 1 and quarter sectors to target. Instantly into auto climb again rising 1k then opt to level 1 sector out at 20,500ft. Heavy cloud cover over target. Max zoom in front gun and still can't see the target. Max zoom bomb site still no vis. Acks popping around me now. Nothing..no vis. Can't see to bomb. WTF then I remember. Being a clever barstool I had pissed around with me vid cards default setting a couple of days ago. Looking on the map I'm bang on top of Bish City. To late to drop even if I did get a vis. There was nothing for it but to extend north and descend under 15k. As I did dar bars rose from both bish fields either end of Bish city....not bleeding good my friend.
Target acquired at 14,800ft north to south west side. 1 bomb out on each of those four targets. Looking around a spit is low north tracking me south. I extend south swinging around to the north for the east side of the city. Spitty gaining. Looks like he'll be on me before the drop. He angels off to line my low six giving me time to drop. 2 out on those to 2 targets and the spits on me as the bombs are in the air. Frantically I jump to guns. No time to get in number 2 or 3 plane. I returning short bursts then his engine smokes. The spitty lazily rolls off to the right and away....phew. I head north west to turn in on the city south south easterly for the long diagonal target. Still at 14.8k lead planes tail and top gunners dead. As I make the turn in a spit and a niki are tracking. I might not make this as they'll be on me way before the line up. keeping cool I get the line long vis on target and quick calibration then back to guns. The niki knows his stuff and keeps climbing but the spit is in. He bobs up and down under my tail gunner my dead 6, from 800 right into 400. He fires each time at he's level with me... a novice for sure but I haven't the ammo or the time. Targets getting ever closer and the bloody niki is gaining and above me now. Spitty fires and fires and all I can do is return the odd burst. Finally I get some good hits right in the buggers face but it's to late. Inner port engine blazing away... bail bail bail. Then back to guns to find..... no spitfire. He's dived out low my 4 O'clock. I must have pilot wounded him.
Niki ? high 4Oclock still climbing and tracking. Target ? 15 seconds away. Lead plane lost and number 2 tail gunner dead. I recalibrate and smoothly adjust the bombing line. Click,click,click,click....four bombs out with an even spread. I close doors and just then take massive hits. The niki made a diving slash attack and climbs out to my 8Oclock. Immediately I turn for home but quickly go above the cloud. There he is my high six. Cloud layer is 15k so i level it out at 14,900 right in the mist. I have 1 tail gunner left with just 36 rounds. For about two minutes the niki plays cat and mouse while I bob up and down, above and below the cloud layer. He makes his attack and my drone explodes. My tail gunner is empty now. Just my top gunner and as much as I try to get the niki with that gun he knows his stuff. Each following three attack taking a heavy toll on my remanding Lancaster. I do get a few hits in the niki but nothing noticeable before my port wing departs. As I go into my death spiral it's time to bail. Just before the 3rd "enter" the Lanc blows and I die. I must have been on fire but didn't notice.
Target sit rep 84% destroyed....16% reported up. 2xLA7 destroyed. 2Xspitfires damaged. Lose of 3 Lancaster's. 1 to a spitfire and 2 to a niki.
Kami I only got 7.3 perkies don't know about points. Although I lost in my bombers, not for the want of trying, my objective was met. I had FUN .....some "milk run". Some neck!
I bombed Bish ammo factory next in B17's. Shot down 1 plane made another bug out smoking and damaged 66% of the factory in three passes. 34% was remaining. Bish ammo destroyed on field taking a lot longer to regain. Rooks and I then did some successful captures with CV's :aok
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Great narrative Lynx!!
I love those high alt bomber encounters.
Had 4 guys (one in a a6m!!) chasing my 24s at 20k last nite.
I had to slow down to let them catch me.
No problems with 3 of them (they died valiantly).
But all it takes is one guy who knows what he,s doin and he will slowly rip your bombers apart.
to who ever that was in the 109!! (sorry can,t remember the name)
Still having alot of fun in this game!!
Couldn,t care less about milkrunners.
Boner:cool:
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Originally posted by Ghastly
I don't really see that much of a problem here, unless a person is motivated by the scoring aspect of the game and feels cheated when someone else scores in "Easy mode".
Well, thats the point. Whats the point of keeping scores if they are so easy manipulated? Whats the point of puting the name of the bigest gamer on the front page if scores mean nothing. I m not asking anyone to change how they play. Just change the scoring system.
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I agree Dedalos!!
Lets keep the EW and MW scores separate from the 2 LW arenas.
It,ll help keep the whining to a dull roar.
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Nice tale, Lynx; sounds like a good time on both ends of your guns. Players played; engagements were had.
But that wasn't a milkrun; you were opposed for much of the time you were in enemy airspace.
Compare your flight to one in a nearly empty arena where no one... not one single aircraft... rises to meet and engage you.
That would be a milkrun. And what real fun would you have had, not seeing an enemy player for the whole flight?
I think that's what players talk about when they describe milkrun.
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Originally posted by Toad
Nice tale, Lynx; sounds like a good time on both ends of your guns. Players played; engagements were had.
But that wasn't a milkrun; you were opposed for much of the time you were in enemy airspace.
Compare your flight to one in a nearly empty arena where no one... not one single aircraft... rises to meet and engage you.
That would be a milkrun. And what real fun would you have had, not seeing an enemy player for the whole flight?
I think that's what players talk about when they describe milkrun.
I agree with you 100% but alas some don't know the difference. Some porkers are called milk runners. Some Bombers are called milk runners but the real milk runner is as you describe. I was just trying to dispel some myth's.
I would have been happy to have done that run as described above without any contact but in the MA's it's not guaranteed. There is always the chance of not "making it". A chance you could be foiled.
As for those that go to the EW/MW for a score purposes I have no positive comment to make.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Well, thats the point. Whats the point of keeping scores if they are so easy manipulated? Whats the point of puting the name of the bigest gamer on the front page if scores mean nothing. I m not asking anyone to change how they play. Just change the scoring system.
I doubt you want the real answer to your question.
I could quote some Jack Nicholson here but I won't.