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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: stickpig on June 12, 2007, 11:53:49 PM
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Why do alot of people score most of thier sorties as 'Attack" vs fighter?
looking at some of the top scores and this seems to be ther norm.
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They are gaming the system. When they go in fighter mode they fly like timid little titmice and try not to get in any fights, just cherries and vulches. This way they can achieve a high fighter rank w/out actually possessing very much skill.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
They are gaming the system. When they go in fighter mode they fly like timid little titmice and try not to get in any fights, just cherries and vulches. This way they can achieve a high fighter rank w/out actually possessing very much skill.
What he said. People do that so they "appear" good when someone checks their score.
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There is another reason...
Some people don't think about changing it. Well, meybe it's just senility kickin' in. :)
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Sometimes because we don't want to switch between modes between each flight.
I basically have set all my planes to attack mode, unless it has none. That way, I don't have to "worry" about shooting at towns, M3s & such and don't need to switch modes before each sortie. Pure lazyness ;)
Also it gives me a tool to see how I do fare in a specific plane. For example, this tour I fly almost exclusively the 109F in fighter mode, to see how my stats (K/H, hit%) are in that plane.
And I do fly the same "timid" way, regardless of being in fighter or in attack mode.
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a lot of people like to count all their stuff including ground vehicles as kills fighter sorties dont count gv's but attack mode does.
as for scoring as fighter vs attack if you dont jabo or kill gvs... score as fighter if you want to track your progress most accurately.
if you want to jabo and kill planes and buildings and gv's scoring as attack will most accurately chart your progress if you are interested in knowing.
its not so much fun to game the game but to actually use the system in a way that benefits you because no matter what you might think no one cares what your score is.
people who are in denial of this will game the system for their own enjoyment of a sense of status or ability but its folly to anyone with an objective view of the fact that having a high rank is trivial in itself and can be a source of fun whether being misused or used as intended. theres million different ways to play the game just play it whatever way is the most fun for you.
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I fly mostly in attack. I would say 90% of the time I have bombs on my plane, so Attack Mode would be the one to use.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
There is another reason...
Some people don't think about changing it. Well, meybe it's just senility kickin' in. :)
I gotta go with NB on this one..I honestly have no idea which position
I have checkedf on what airplane.
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Originally posted by Lusche
Sometimes because we don't want to switch between modes between each flight.
ya cuz its soooooo Hard to Click on the lil box that says "fighter"
:noid :p
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Originally posted by Platano
ya cuz its soooooo Hard to Click on the lil box that says "fighter"
:noid :p
Why should I?
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I always fly in attack mode unless im base defending. Mostly because i bring ords were i go, or because there may be a gv out there somewere with my name on it.
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I always score as attack - have done for a long time. It started off a few years ago when i used to fly all my offensive sorties as fighter, and all my defensive sorties as attack to see how i was doing (i only ever concentrate on air to air, so it was just a way of splitting the scores). Then i stopped caring and just did everything as attack.
Steve / Wetrat - for me it is nothing to do with "appearing good" because some tours i do not even fly one fighter sortie (262 sortie).
If i wanted to "appear good" i would fly all my sorties as fighter and be up there in the ranks. Why bother when you can own people ranked 3000 places above you and get them riled up ;)
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Originally posted by stickpig
Why do alot of people score most of thier sorties as 'Attack" vs fighter?
looking at some of the top scores and this seems to be ther norm.
As pointed out by the cynics it's so as not to ruin the fighter score but I'll pose another question. How good an aim are you? Now this question doesn't matter a jot to anyone reading your score. It only matters to you or possibly the guy you just shot down. The reason I pose the question is this, if you consistently shoot buildings, Gv's, ack and so on in fighter mode your HIT% is going to go to chit. Not very effective for "tracking" your aim if indeed it's something you "personally" are trying to improve. So whats your hit%? Are you a newbie shooting D800 yards hitting 2% or are you getting used to closer combat at 400 to 600 maybe hitting 5% to 8% or are you in on their tail wheel with 10% + hit%.
Scoring in fighter mode is for shooting planes only and before the cynics :rolleyes: kick off with "Ah but killing bombers improves your hit%", which undeniably it does, I say who the F*** fly's around in fighter mode all day only shooting bombers and there for ruining other aspects of their precious fighter score. Absa-bloody-lutly no one.
Scoring in "Attack" is best for dive bombing or shooting everything in your way. M3's, ack's, buildings ....what ever. To improve attack score besides shooting planes down you have to carry ords... bombs rockets and cause lots of damage. Farting around in a 190D de-acking or shooting the odd ammo bunker ain't worth a toss other than the desired result before the ack gets your motor. An American F or P class plane carries plenty of ords and are very robust when it comes to taking hits. A p47N (ENY not withstand) can, in 3 passes pork a small field of, 5 barracks and 2 ammo's then get you home. You ain't going to do that in a 190D porkers play thing.
Cynics...yes we know all score can be manipulated but lets "pretend" that the thredie is genuine and seeks to improve upon his general game play.
TIP
Add planes to favorites and leave them in preselected modes:aok
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Don't care :D
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
They are gaming the system. When they go in fighter mode they fly like timid little titmice and try not to get in any fights, just cherries and vulches. This way they can achieve a high fighter rank w/out actually possessing very much skill.
<> Steve and an excellent post.
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For some of us, the mode we fly in is largely dictated by the fact that we didn't realize until a day or two ago it was kept on a "per plane" basis, and would change when we changed plane without our realizing it.
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Originally posted by LYNX
Scoring in fighter mode is for shooting planes only and before the cynics :rolleyes: kick off with "Ah but killing bombers improves your hit%", which undeniably it does, I say who the F*** fly's around in fighter mode all day only shooting bombers and there for ruining other aspects of their precious fighter score. Absa-bloody-lutly no one.
lynx....some members of the rook score squads do....check the top fiter score dudes kills in/kills of....its not hard at night to hunt buffs especially if they occupied during drops....
come bish or knight a night bro and the scales will fall off your eyes =)
the other "technique" i have only seen out of one rook "elite squad" is flying multiple 262s/tempests into furballs where they have the higher darbars picking off occupied turners at the back edge of the fight....honestly who brings a 262 to an offensive situation except someone who is trying to pad k/d???
(btw im not talking about Shawk...he flies in numbers but in planes that are not uber...thats why i dont mind shawk...at least i have a CHANCE TO KILL HIM....but to kill 3 262s and tempests, i would have to recruit other bish players to up jets with me because they run back to base when you show up. Also i dont really want to play jet combat in ww2
:D
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Originally posted by Platano
ya cuz its soooooo Hard to Click on the lil box that says "fighter"
:noid :p
...er....what menu contains this box?
- oldman
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
the other "technique" i have only seen out of one rook "elite squad" is flying multiple 262s/tempests into furballs where they have the higher darbars picking off occupied turners at the back edge of the fight....honestly who brings a 262 to an offensive situation except someone who is trying to pad k/d???
My apologies to the to the BishKnits furballers.
~HellsAngels~ has removed the "Score quota" section from our Code of conduct and Training Handbook.
Darkstar, Jhook, 99mecinf, Joey04,and Rattler know understand that being elite does not equate score.
:p
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Originally posted by Oldman731
...er....what menu contains this box?
- oldman
In the "Hanger" ... when you pick a plane, there are 2 buttons ... "Fighter" and "Attack".
Some planes do not offer "Fighter" so it will be disabled.
I have my planes set for the type of work that they do.
FM2 = Fighter
F6F = Attack
etc.
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Those that were meant for attack F6f, P38, etc are set for attack. The ones I actually fight fiters with are set for fiter. OR the ones with 500-1000lb bombs attack the rest fiter.
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ive set the FM2, A8, K4, G14 and F4 as fighter, and the rest are in attack mode
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I fly perked planes in fighter mode and regular planes in attack mode. I use it more for myself informationally, mostly to compare how I do in Tempest compared to Typhoon..I never carry ordnance but I do help strafe stuff for capture when in attack mode if need be...I don't vulch in either mode and I cherry pick with equal enthusiasm no matter which mode I'm in... ;)
Zazen
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i fly more in attack mode because i never know what i,m gonna run into!!
to the future---and beyond!!
Boner
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bet I know who Falcnwng is talking about...well...thinks he knows what he is talking about.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by killnu
bet I know who Falcnwng is talking about...well...thinks he knows what he is talking about.:rolleyes:
hehe, yep... I don't think he likes having all the bugs in his horde being squashed by us :lol
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but.... but....
My skwad has been telling me that we were the elite.....
I rewrote our ~HellsAngels~ Code of Conduct to be elite....
:p
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Originally posted by Angry Samoan
My apologies to the to the BishKnits furballers.
~HellsAngels~ has removed the "Score quota" section from our Code of conduct and Training Handbook.
Darkstar, Jhook, 99mecinf, Joey04,and Rattler know understand that being elite does not equate score.
:p
When you said "quota" we thought you were asking for money again.:huh
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
except someone who is trying to pad k/d???
(btw im not talking about Shawk...he flies in numbers but in planes that are not uber...:D
Unless you count circling overhead above everyone in a Chog uber.*
One thing about Shawk, he is a darned good shot in a Chog.
* Unless he is in attack mode, then he'll jump in and deack.
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Has nothing to do with score (Rank), other than getting credit for GV kills...for me atleast. My rides are set and almost never change.
109's - Fighter
110's - Attack
FW 190 A5 - Fighter
FW 190 A8 - Attack
FW 190 D9 - Fighter
Fw 190 F8 - Attack
Stukas, 88's, Komets and Swallows...are self explanatory.
Stats are awesome, I love stats, most do. Where would Pro sports be without them? Ranks are different though and are meaningless in this game. Other than that...Who cares what people do??
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heres a question, i used an IL2 the other day and after an hour noticed it was on bomber and not all the kills counted toward score. How does that work thanks.
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When in "Bomber" I don't think it counts kills, only explosives dropped on targets. I think it counts strats, objects, etc, but not player controlled vehicles. I'm hazy on this.
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makes enough sense to me, thanks.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
the other "technique" i have only seen out of one rook "elite squad" is flying multiple 262s/tempests into furballs where they have the higher darbars picking off occupied turners at the back edge of the fight....honestly who brings a 262 to an offensive situation except someone who is trying to pad k/d???
Well, when your adversary and his 50 wingmen spam horde one base after another you betcha the necessary and appropriate reaction will be taken... ;) Wading into a portable sea of Dweebfires and Lgay7s requires the heavier artillery...:aok
We're talking late war arena here, Tempests and 262s have a place in as they are decidely LW. If they make you sqeamish I am sure to 10-30 guys milkrunning for points in the EW/MW arenas will enjoy your company...
Zazen
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
the other "technique" i have only seen out of one rook "elite squad" is flying multiple 262s/tempests into furballs where they have the higher darbars picking off occupied turners at the back edge of the fight....honestly who brings a 262 to an offensive situation except someone who is trying to pad k/d???
Someone who likes flying the Me-262 and wants to kill a lot of cartoon planes?
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Well, when your adversary and his 50 wingmen spam horde one base after another you betcha the going necessary and appropriate reaction will be taken... ;) Wading into a portable sea of Dweebfires and Lgay7s requires the heavier artillery...:aok
Zazen
Exactly!! Has nothing to do with K/D. Just Killing. :t
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I leave everything set to fighter mode, even the 110's because I mostly use them to hunt buffs. I also fly the Hurri IID and Yak-9T in fighter mode. My trusty F6F-5 is always in attack mode and used to drop objects, vehicles and other planes. I also sometimes switch the LA-5 to attack mode for straffing ground targets but only rarely.
Last week one night the settings on my F6F got messed up. I landed 6 vehicle kills plus some damage in fighter mode. None of it counted toward my score :(
One downside is that, unless I'm in the F6F, when I'm at a base about to be captured by friendlies and someone says "Just 2 more buildings and the town is dead" or "We need this place de-acked" it won't be me helping.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I leave everything set to fighter mode, even the 110's because I mostly use them to hunt buffs. I also fly the Hurri IID and Yak-9T in fighter mode. My trusty F6F-5 is always in attack mode and used to drop objects, vehicles and other planes. I also sometimes switch the LA-5 to attack mode for straffing ground targets but only rarely.
Last week one night the settings on my F6F got messed up. I landed 6 vehicle kills plus some damage in fighter mode. None of it counted toward my score :(
One downside is that, unless I'm in the F6F, when I'm at a base about to be captured by friendlies and someone says "Just 2 more buildings and the town is dead" or "We need this place de-acked" it won't be me helping.
Your taking the piss....right?. Having a laugh? This is bait ....right?
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Originally posted by whiteman
heres a question, i used an IL2 the other day and after an hour noticed it was on bomber and not all the kills counted toward score. How does that work thanks.
Bomber mode doesn't count kills of anything toward score but they are added to your expanded kill stats.
Same thing with kills in a chute (a man after bailing) with your .45. The go in expanded kill stats as a kill in a chute but don't count toward score.
Also GV kills in fighter mode; same thing.
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hehehe angry i was NOT referring to hells angels...they are fun to furball against!!!
and for the other "guilty consciences" that i salamandered that posted (all from the same squad hehehe)....:aok all i can say is you obviously recognize your style IMMEDIATELY since three of you posted in less then 2 hours LMAO!!!!!! im sorry Angry confused things by responding.....but im still reeeling the fish in so please stay in the bucket and dont let the other fishies know....
BTW have NEVER seen these elite Pile-its oppose a BoP mission...(unless of course you count zazen in a field gun or dolfo/killnu in a flak) so the "i fight 50 of you crap is hee-larious!!! I cant even credit one of these guys for having saved a field from capture by upping and breaking a cap.....
what i HAVE seen repeatedly is what i stated..these pilots doing e-picking/alt picking in tempests/262s/f4u1c's etc in unequal furball situations and then running home when anything that could make it a fair fight shows up...again puhlease...what are you doing in a poor turning fast big cannon plane if you are NOT picking...your shure not furbahllin son =)
but enough insults/observations...a few nice observations....
the only "FITER" squad that actually does seem to like to take on bad odds and truly does seem to furball without advantage is.....drum roll please...........The Blue kNIGHTS...
the only "fiter" squads that truly dont have chess piece loyalty and will show up on the lowest numbered side to make a fight of it are actually two:
1. the blue knights
2. guppy/corkyjr's crew...bleh im drawing a blank on the name of the squad
and the hell angels seem to be having some fun switching around and it has been fun finally getting to hear some voices (bucky73, chanzz, joey04) :aok
i now have to go throw up because i complimented the blue knights twice in one post and i have begun internally hemorrhaging from my spleen...:rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
i now have to go throw up because i complimented the blue knights twice in one post and i have begun internally hemorrhaging from my spleen...:rofl :rofl
That'll learn ya! :lol
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Originally posted by LYNX
Your taking the piss....right?. Having a laugh? This is bait ....right?
Nope. All true.
I do hunt buffs with 110's (gotta love 6 cannons plus machine guns for buff hunting plus the 110's performance at alt is good).
I do fly Hurri IID's and Yak-9T's in fighter mode (I can usually get 2-3 kills but aiming is hard... killing is not... it's for the challenge).
I do fly La-5's in attack mode. They are particularily good at straffing water-born targets (LVT's and PT's).
I do fly the F6F-5 almost exclusively in attack mode (one of the best dive bombing platforms in the game IMHO and a very capable fighter after the ord is gone).
I do fly almost everything else in fighter mode all the time (I thought the game was mostly about fighter combat).
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Well, when your adversary and his 50 wingmen spam horde one base after another you betcha the necessary and appropriate reaction will be taken... ;) Wading into a portable sea of Dweebfires and Lgay7s requires the heavier artillery...:aok
We're talking late war arena here, Tempests and 262s have a place in as they are decidely LW. If they make you sqeamish I am sure to 10-30 guys milkrunning for points in the EW/MW arenas will enjoy your company...
Zazen
50? WOW!! THATS ALOT!!!
Breaking out my abacus,
Boner
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Originally posted by stickpig
Why do alot of people score most of thier sorties as 'Attack" vs fighter?
looking at some of the top scores and this seems to be ther norm.
Simple answer -- more people assume they will be in "attack" type situations rather than purely furballing.
Even simpler answer -- WHO CARES.
Geesh, some of you folks should worry more about finding your own way to have fun rather than obsessing over how others play the game.
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Yep, I'll fly in attack mode 95% of the time for the simple reason of getting credit for the ground kills. If you dropping bombs on GV's or straffing towns or acks in fighter mode, you don't get credit for the kills. Sure it'll say SoInSo landed 5 kills in a plane, but check your score and you'll see you only got credit for the aircraft kills. Call it timid or scorewhorin or whatever you want, but the simple fact is I like getting credit for what I kill.
Most of those that don't see it this way probably haven't dropped a bomb (or even carried one) from thier aircraft as long as they've played the game.
You know who you are.:D
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Nope. All true.
I do hunt buffs with 110's (gotta love 6 cannons plus machine guns for buff hunting plus the 110's performance at alt is good).
I do fly Hurri IID's and Yak-9T's in fighter mode (I can usually get 2-3 kills but aiming is hard... killing is not... it's for the challenge).
I do fly La-5's in attack mode. They are particularly good at strafing water-born targets (LVT's and PT's).
I do fly the F6F-5 almost exclusively in attack mode (one of the best dive bombing platforms in the game IMHO and a very capable fighter after the ord is gone).
I do fly almost everything else in fighter mode all the time (I thought the game was mostly about fighter combat).
I am finding it hard to reply in a positive way. Hard not to come across derogatory..... slapping you in the face. I don't wish to do that.
Say that if I was in a c47 landed at the town and you was ranked, for example sake, top 20 fighter and didn't shoot those last 2 buildings I would be pissed off but understanding of your erm, goals. However, being ranked as you are I would be enthusiastically pissed off. Even I in fighter mode with a 13% (double your own) hit rate could spare a few rounds for a capture.
I concur the F6F is a groovy tool but yakT's and hurriD's are for GV's but if you up one for chits and jiggles why not blow out the last few buildings? It ain't going to matter.
Friend if your thinking of score I would suggest you reevaluate your stats. You spend more time in fighter mode which is your worst stat. Least time in GV's but best stat. Yes it's about combat and you can still do that in "attack" mode.
Oh by the way you can get chute kills by bailing out and the cons dies in your wreckage or a con you already hit dies while your in a chute. I have never shot anyone with the 45 but I get at least 1 chute kill per TOD.
Sorry if I offended you
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Originally posted by LYNX
but yakT's and hurriD's are for GV's
A common misconception. The Yak9T has HE rounds and was intended to hunt bombers, not tanks.
The only true tankbusting AP firing planes we currently have are the Hurri D and the Il-2.
Two recent threads on this topic:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=202530
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=104441
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Thank you for the correction on the yakT
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Bomber mode doesn't count kills of anything toward score but they are added to your expanded kill stats.
Same thing with kills in a chute (a man after bailing) with your .45. The go in expanded kill stats as a kill in a chute but don't count toward score.
Also GV kills in fighter mode; same thing.
OK, i was thinking that most the uncounted kills were people aguring or area kills until i saw i had 33 not counted LOL. Thanks man
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I fly buffs in fighter mode and fighters in bomber mode.
But that's just me.
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Originally posted by LYNX
I am finding it hard to reply in a positive way. Hard not to come across derogatory..... slapping you in the face. I don't wish to do that.
Say that if I was in a c47 landed at the town and you was ranked, for example sake, top 20 fighter and didn't shoot those last 2 buildings I would be pissed off but understanding of your erm, goals. However, being ranked as you are I would be enthusiastically pissed off. Even I in fighter mode with a 13% (double your own) hit rate could spare a few rounds for a capture.
I concur the F6F is a groovy tool but yakT's and hurriD's are for GV's but if you up one for chits and jiggles why not blow out the last few buildings? It ain't going to matter.
Friend if your thinking of score I would suggest you reevaluate your stats. You spend more time in fighter mode which is your worst stat. Least time in GV's but best stat. Yes it's about combat and you can still do that in "attack" mode.
Oh by the way you can get chute kills by bailing out and the cons dies in your wreckage or a con you already hit dies while your in a chute. I have never shot anyone with the 45 but I get at least 1 chute kill per TOD.
Sorry if I offended you
No offense taken.
If you were in a nearly destroyed town with a goon and I was the only one there to finish it off I'd do so but I'm rarely the only one there so I leave it to others.
I guess I could fly a Yak-9T or Hurri IID to take out a last few buildings but I tend to fly them in either base defense or into a central furball.
I continue to fly fighter to improve. Realtive to my fighter score and my hit % both are down a little right now (as are k/d, k/s and k/t) as I had a few bad nights in a row (figher rank from 4xx to 7xx until last night when I came back up to 6xx and hit % dropping from almost 10% to almost 5% before rebounding a little last night) but that's not the real reason it's not better (aside from me being only a mediocre fighter pilot).
I pick the arena where we are outnumbered (unless it's NDIsles). I fly into big red dar bars by myself far too often. I fly upwards of 50 planes each camp some (well, many) of which I'm not totally up to speed in. I usually don't fly the same plane two sorties in a row. I get into slow turning one-on-ones (having fun) but inevitably get ganged by the multitudes who are attracted to my con-magnet. I fly from 1 base back and go back there to land (killing my k/t as does buff hunting up high). In other words, I don't fly smart. I tried it and got bored.
I fly to challenge myself and have fun and try to do just well enough to keep a decent overall rank. One day I hope to be among the best but without compromising my game (what I have fun doing... which could be anything in anything depending on my mood).
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
They are gaming the system. When they go in fighter mode they fly like timid little titmice and try not to get in any fights, just cherries and vulches. This way they can achieve a high fighter rank w/out actually possessing very much skill.
You don't have to fly timid to be ranked in the top 5 in fighters.
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Originally posted by FALCONWING
and for the other "guilty consciences" that i salamandered that posted (all from the same squad hehehe)....:
BTW have NEVER seen these elite Pile-its oppose a BoP mission...(unless of course you count zazen in a field gun or dolfo/killnu in a flak) so the "i fight 50 of you crap is hee-larious!!! I cant even credit one of these guys for having saved a field from capture by upping and breaking a cap.....
what i HAVE seen repeatedly is what i stated..these pilots doing e-picking/alt picking in tempests/262s/f4u1c's spleen...:rofl :rofl
Although I do not consider myself an elite pileit, I am in the squad you are baiting. Go ahead, find the last time I was in Tempest, 262, or F4U-C.
You, however Falcon, have almost ALL your kills this tour in a spit 16, F4U-C, 262, and LA7.
I log on, switch sides to the team with the lowest number of players, and up my plane towards the biggest enemy darbar I can find.(If I can avoid it, I stay away from TT island). I do this every single night. This means I spend just about my entire playing time defending bases. Last night it was 19 and V6 mostly, for instance.
You cast a big net with your foolish stereotype.
Steve
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You know when I first read some of Steve's posts I thought, "Who is this arrogant arse?" I couln't place him in my in game experiences and his posts left me wondering who the heck he was.
The last couple of weeks I've been able to find out first hand as I have found myself in the same fights as Steve numerous times lately. He does one thing.
Ups a Mustang and flies it into harms way. Numbers mean nothing to the man. He flies straight at em, helps countymen whatever the situation is, and lets his guns do the talking. It's easy to find him during the fight. He's in that ever shrinking group of red icons...
Steve.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You cast a big net with your foolish stereotype.
Originally posted by SteveBailey
They are gaming the system. When they go in fighter mode they fly like timid little titmice and try not to get in any fights, just cherries and vulches. This way they can achieve a high fighter rank w/out actually possessing very much skill.
I believe there is a term to describe this... it involves pots and kettles, but if i say it, lev will kill me.
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Again you dont have to fly timid or carefully to get a top 5 fighter spot.
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Originally posted by Furball
I believe there is a term to describe this... it involves pots and kettles, but if i say it, lev will kill me.
Look at the OP's original post, he was referring to(from my perspective), as was I, people that are top ranked who manipulate fighter/attack, not all people who fly in attack mode. You, and a couple of others, mistakenly drew that conclusion that I was referring to all folks who spend the bulk of their time in attack mode. I apologize if I wasn't clear. I hope this clears it up for you.
Here, I'll save you a little search time:
looking at some of the top scores and this seems to be ther norm.
Edit: I know there are several people who do this because I used to fly with some. I've heard comments like these(they made me laugh):
1. Dude, I can't come down there and help you, I might get killed. I'm in fighter mode!"
2. I'm not going to up supplies, it will wreck my kills per sortie and kills per time.
3. I'm not going after those buffs, I'm in fighter mode.
4. Let's deack the base them come back in fighter mode and vulch.
and my favorite all time one:
5. I got killed, I'm never going to help you again.
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i didn't even know you could switch from fiter to attak :huh :confused:
i just thought you upped a plane and killed things :rolleyes: :cool:
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Originally posted by megadud
i just thought you upped a plane and killed things :rolleyes: :cool:
A rather simplicistic approach. I guess you even thought you should have some "fun", eh?
j/k :D
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Steve, i was talking from the viewpoint of someone who fights scored as attack for the majority of the time, i also know how to rank. I have been ranked #1 a few times when i used to care about it - it didnt change how i played the game and fought as a fighter.
Quite a large part of the fighter rank is based on K/T, the best way to get that i find is to up from a base which is under attack, defending against CV's especially, you can average over 20 kills/hour over an entire tour doing that.
My point was that you cannot generalise everyone who is ranked high, and scores as attack as: "When they go in fighter mode they fly like timid little titmice and try not to get in any fights, just cherries and vulches".
Although i do agree that this may be the case with a lot of them.
Just seen your edit, yes, i have encountered people like that in game numerous times too.
And yes, i did originally misunderstand your post.
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Originally posted by Husky01
You don't have to fly timid to be ranked in the top 5 in fighters.
Very true, wEtrat is a great example this tour. He rarely lands a hop, but has a super K/T. K/T is by farrrr the most competitive sub-stat. Once you get a 10 to 1 K/D you're locked in. Any more than that is a waste of time (therefore K/T) if your concern is your fighter score.
The absolutely most efficient way to rank highly as I think furball stated, is to up field defense vs. CV's where the enemy is relatively low n' slow and a 10 second flight away and kill as many as possible as quickly as possible dying in the attempt if possible (save you wasted time rtb'ing). If you kill a good many each hop and land once in a while your K/D will be just fine and your K/T will be super...
Flying timidly and/or to survive actually hurts your fighter rank...Some people who fly timidly may rank well in fighter but it is in spite of that not because of it.
Zazen
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BaldEagl
I can respect that :aok
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Although I do not consider myself an elite pileit, I am in the squad you are baiting. Go ahead, find the last time I was in Tempest, 262, or F4U-C.
You, however Falcon, have almost ALL your kills this tour in a spit 16, F4U-C, 262, and LA7.
I log on, switch sides to the team with the lowest number of players, and up my plane towards the biggest enemy darbar I can find.(If I can avoid it, I stay away from TT island). I do this every single night. This means I spend just about my entire playing time defending bases. Last night it was 19 and V6 mostly, for instance.
You cast a big net with your foolish stereotype.
Steve
wasnt a stereotype steve, it was an observation of the fiting styles that result in top fiter rankings..look at number 1 and number 2 fiter score from last month....
im sure not every member of any squad flies exactly the same way or with the same motivation...but when i have run into large groups of your squad there is a pattern to the behavior...this is of course exacerbated by the fact that several members of your squad live on ch 200 and seem to enjoy "conflict" for lack of a better word...otherwise i dont think i would even know your squad existed...but when multiple 262s/tempests consistently show up at pure furballs one gets curious as to whom they are...and why they are flying those planes in that setting...
lusche flies in a similar manner but i respect him in the sense that he doesnt need to broadcast his l33tn3ss and when he dies he doesnt get on ch 200 and berate those who killed him...he doesnt type "I own XXXX" all over the BBS and open ch.
i wasnt commenting as much on the type of planes as the manner in which they are flown and the desired results...and the behaviors...
as for myself, i think anyone who pays attention knows that i am a defender and furballer except on monday nights when i run squad ops...i rarely have numbers to support me and NEVER have alt/e advantage...i DO pick whichever plane will work the best for the situation...the FACT that i fly low eny planes should be a clue that i am usually in the arena where the bish are outnumbered and thus have the ability to choose these planes...i have NEVER been called a scorepotato or milkrunner yet i am typically in the top ranks with the least time on...
I DO fly fiter mode when odds are i will survive AND like many it is simply a game i play with myself to see how well i can do from a k/d standpoint...not for ranking...i will never fly enough to build up the points needed to stay high in fiter scoring.
im sorry if i upset you steve...you seem like a standup guy and honestly i had no idea you had joined that squad...for some reason i thought you were in SHawk's squad...
if you dont like getting caught in nets, you may want to look around at those you choose to swim with...
:)
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Originally posted by E25280
Simple answer -- more people assume they will be in "attack" type situations rather than purely furballing.
Even simpler answer -- WHO CARES.
Geesh, some of you folks should worry more about finding your own way to have fun rather than obsessing over how others play the game.
Well I was curious for one. I like checking my progress from tour to tour.
If things are the same for me I like to evaluate what i can do better.
So i was asking to see if I was not getting a good read on things by having my plane set broke out into different catagories.
I usally have fighter type planes marked as fighters and F6F's 110's, P-38's marked as Attk.
Now I will help deack or take out GV's, finish off a twn etc alot of times while in a fighter. (did not know GV kills didn't count in fighter mode)
So as a rebuttal to your statement I'm not obsessed ....just wanted an answer to a question.
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Originally posted by stickpig
So as a rebuttal to your statement I'm not obsessed ....just wanted an answer to a question.
Ooooooooh . . . sorry. Your "simple question," alone and adrift in a sea of whine-posts, was mistaken for a "they game the game / get rid of rank" type whine. So, although I do not retract my sentiment generally, I humbly apologize for directing it at the undeserving. :aok
(This isn't the first time someone who is trying to have a conversation finds himself embroiled in an argument instead.)
So, let me reconsider my answer: I fly attack because I can't find the "fighter" button for my IL2. :D
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There really are two modes? Imagine that.
Next you'll be telling me you can actually fly the bombers.
What will HT think of next?
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Originally posted by E25280
So, let me reconsider my answer: I fly attack because I can't find the "fighter" button for my IL2. :D
Fair enough :cool:
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:noid
+1
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Flcn...you almost made me spit on my monitor...almost.:lol
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Oh if only any of it mattered.
I still prefer the simple approach, being simple minded like I am.
Up low numbers side in the old 38G, stagger to 3-4K, let folks know you are coming, wade in and die.
Wash rinse repeat.
Every so often get into one of those knock down drag out fights that keeps ya coming back for more.
I love the fact that they give me a new plane every time too.
More power to all of ya that pay attention to that rank/score stuff. I just can't bring myself to care :)
Maybe someday when I grow up............:aok
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Ord, I rarely leave home without it.:confused: